i forgot to mention in the past weeks that i have a moto g7 play (android) phone and it gets around the same results at the iphone 6s for image qualty. fwiw
Here's that 72 D LPL (hopefully PL) shot with my Canon EOS. You can see how the reverse is less frosty than the obverse yet, both sides are reflective so worth a trip to Cali.
i guess if you don't swing the bat...
but i have to say, the only other PL i saw in nearly the entire roosevelt BS run was a 51-s (there are for sure no 70s/80s/90s) so if you get it, you'd be the first. ok went back and saw a 2016-d too.
let us know how it goes!
have you compared the NGC pops to see if they have some listed as if they do, your odds, first time out goes up precipitously. otherwise it is a total bust. of course if you send off a batch, which you seem prone to do, your odds of hitting something goes up.
do you have a macro lens on that EOS? i think those are all dslr, right?
not sure if it is your iso, aperture setting, random brightness setting or the lights but something doesn't seem right there.
if you can hold your lights and move them around while looking though the viewfinder or while you tether, if the lights will simply not produce a good look, then it is most likely a camera setting and the aperture would be the first i'd check. something to do with the speed/F-stop setting of how much light gets let in.
try to over-expose on purpose and come down from there. usually people end up with too dark an image, so if you are so inclined to try, try starting at the top, not the bottom. (top-light/bottom-dark)
i'm pretty sure the EOS is a beast of a camera and from the looks of the images, that is confirmed in my non-professional opinion.
forgot to say, if it is your desire, to at least have the option to do so, you are SOOOOOO close to pro images. there really isn't much wrong from your 72-d pics. nice cropping, resolution, etc.
@Coinscratch said:
Need some honey with those biscuits 😛
1972 D LPL
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is that a date pcgs/ngc lists as having PL pops? seems unlikely but i know the PL bubble popped a couple/few years back and all kinds of neat stuff started coming outta the woodwork.
i took some more shots of my kennedy PL and will get through them in the next couple of days and if i find an angle for the coin or light, i'll say so.
if you stick that coin into the slot of the front of a cardboard 2x2 unstapled, you can rotate/move it around in your one hand with the camera in the other w/o having your fingers around the coin. fwiw
smart phones are great and flexible but a dslr they are NOT!
Good idea I’ll give her a try.
Not sure about ‘72 but I’ve seen a few in the PG from the sixties and seventies. I believe one is the 64 Jeff.
I've found another source of, lets call it a pedastole,
I use a felt floor protector used under the legs of furniture.
Many different sizes to choose from.
i forgot to mention in the past weeks that i have a moto g7 play (android) phone and it gets around the same results at the iphone 6s for image qualty. fwiw
Here's that 72 D LPL (hopefully PL) shot with my Canon EOS. You can see how the reverse is less frosty than the obverse yet, both sides are reflective so worth a trip to Cali.
i guess if you don't swing the bat...
but i have to say, the only other PL i saw in nearly the entire roosevelt BS run was a 51-s (there are for sure no 70s/80s/90s) so if you get it, you'd be the first. ok went back and saw a 2016-d too.
let us know how it goes!
have you compared the NGC pops to see if they have some listed as if they do, your odds, first time out goes up precipitously. otherwise it is a total bust. of course if you send off a batch, which you seem prone to do, your odds of hitting something goes up.
do you have a macro lens on that EOS? i think those are all dslr, right?
not sure if it is your iso, aperture setting, random brightness setting or the lights but something doesn't seem right there.
if you can hold your lights and move them around while looking though the viewfinder or while you tether, if the lights will simply not produce a good look, then it is most likely a camera setting and the aperture would be the first i'd check. something to do with the speed/F-stop setting of how much light gets let in.
try to over-expose on purpose and come down from there. usually people end up with too dark an image, so if you are so inclined to try, try starting at the top, not the bottom. (top-light/bottom-dark)
i'm pretty sure the EOS is a beast of a camera and from the looks of the images, that is confirmed in my non-professional opinion.
forgot to say, if it is your desire, to at least have the option to do so, you are SOOOOOO close to pro images. there really isn't much wrong from your 72-d pics. nice cropping, resolution, etc.
Yea it’s a macro something or another, no diffusers, wrong bulbs, angles or something. I’ll try the settings you mentioned.
Those pics are overexposed I shadowed the light slightly to bring out the cameo, without shadowing the pic comes out dark as a PL would.
@Coinscratch said:
Yea it’s a macro something or another, no diffusers, wrong bulbs, angles or something. I’ll try the settings you mentioned.
Those pics are overexposed I shadowed the light slightly to bring out the cameo, without shadowing the pic comes out dark as a PL would.
the light bulb types certainly do matter to some extent but usually the camera settings/light angles should be able to overcome most, if not all of those issues with a dslr+macro. the aperture/shutter speed is a major factor in the amount of light that gets into the lens but the angle of the lights may even be more important than that as there may be enough light to light up the coin to be able to see it is a coin but it will not present the coin in a favorable, well, um, ya know, light.
i changed my bulbs to some, what looks like to me, cheap brand LED 60W standard size lamp or ceiling fixture bulbs. (i bought at a local antique mall, along with some other stuff) the one thing that used to kill me for long sessions is i used incandescent bulbs which even just 60w (GE reveal) would get really hot and in all my genius, i never swapped them out, that i recall. these LED will never have that problem and they are PLENTY bright, perhaps 40W would actually be better for my "setup."
i have VERRRRYYYY much enjoyed seeing some other member's comfort and skills with a pro setup bring their images to life and then once you get comfortable, you can get creative and seeing them come up with various presentations, digit albums etc has been wonderful for me. the same as for me when it all finally "clicked" and you see just how easy it is, of course, once you have the solution. then anything is easy, right?
I posted this on a different topic post, I just wanted to share with my fellow CRH"ing friends, thanks.
Let's forget about the odds, the %, the calculations for a minute...
I have built a relationship with many of the bank tellers, meaning, they know me, they smile, and I smile back. We exchange pleasantries while we trade rolls... They always tell me when the next coin shipment will come in. I tell them the treasures that I found...
Roll hunting I do at home, while my wife put on recorded 48 hours mysteries or movies. I tell my family when I find a W, a S, or the holy grail silver. I restarted quarter roll hunting in April when I realized that W's were still commanding a nice return... With what I earn from W sales, I reinvest and buy silver...
Since that restart, I have found 6 silver quarters, 6 to add to my collection, 6 times in better than none...
The odds are that coin roll hunting keeps me enjoying simple things that my parents passed on to me, I stay at home, enjoying family, and enjoying my hobby that was passed to me... Priceless
well, while roll searching my life was in danger today.
as i hadn't eaten a particularly nutritious breakfast, i REALLY was starting to find the really shiny quarters, quite appealing but thought they were too nice to eat, so i picked these out!
.
.
.
.
so JUST as i was about to gobble up a handful, i looked down and saw this...
.
.
.
.
talk about impeccable timing!~
@Coinscratch said: @LanceNewmanOCC
Here's that 72 PL done a little better along with a few others. This particular lighting works well for cameo but lacks in color.
nice.
great sharpness, cropping, presentation etc.
just probably 1 step missing. idk if it is the bulbs or a camera setting.
if you try an incandescent bulb, if you have one, that should tell us if it is the bulbs or the camera as we need something to just show luster bands. don't worry about anything else right now. gotta get those surfaces to look accurate.
obviously a few of those are nice images but just not as accurate as they could be, depending on just how far you want to take all of this.
let me say, that once i FINALLY figured out my settings and lighting, i could shoot pro images at NEARLY the pace of just putting the coin under the lens and hitting shutter release and moving to the next coin as fast as my hands could move (for raw coins) MOST should be able to be shot very quickly and easily but i had my lights loose and could move them at will while looking through the viewfinder as speed was pretty high up on my list, as a dealer and fairly active forum(s) member.
a good litmus test is to ask ourselves, what would i think about this item as a potential purchase on ebay or another website from the images above.
we can eliminate a few settings, granted i used a nikon, not a canon but i highly doubt it is the iso, brightness, aperture etc settings. there may be a pre-set that gives this look or it just could be the bulbs but again, i think you are very close.
again, depending on how dedicated you are, if it just take too much effort and you CAN'T figure it out eventually, i'd considering sending the camera to someone that knows what's what with DSLRs and shoot some images to see if it is a simple single setting we're overlooking or if it is the bulbs. bulbs can VASTLY affect a coins look and it takes a pro to use any random bulb to get good images.
i'm pretty shocked these LED bulbs (look like incandescent) work as well as they do with my iphone 6s. i went back to one lamp and just used the method to move the coin/camera around quickly to find a good angle and voilà.
@Coinscratch said: @LanceNewmanOCC
Here's that 72 PL done a little better along with a few others. This particular lighting works well for cameo but lacks in color.
nice.
great sharpness, cropping, presentation etc.
just probably 1 step missing. idk if it is the bulbs or a camera setting.
if you try an incandescent bulb, if you have one, that should tell us if it is the bulbs or the camera as we need something to just show luster bands. don't worry about anything else right now. gotta get those surfaces to look accurate.
obviously a few of those are nice images but just not as accurate as they could be, depending on just how far you want to take all of this.
let me say, that once i FINALLY figured out my settings and lighting, i could shoot pro images at NEARLY the pace of just putting the coin under the lens and hitting shutter release and moving to the next coin as fast as my hands could move (for raw coins) MOST should be able to be shot very quickly and easily but i had my lights loose and could move them at will while looking through the viewfinder as speed was pretty high up on my list, as a dealer and fairly active forum(s) member.
a good litmus test is to ask ourselves, what would i think about this item as a potential purchase on ebay or another website from the images above.
we can eliminate a few settings, granted i used a nikon, not a canon but i highly doubt it is the iso, brightness, aperture etc settings. there may be a pre-set that gives this look or it just could be the bulbs but again, i think you are very close.
again, depending on how dedicated you are, if it just take too much effort and you CAN'T figure it out eventually, i'd considering sending the camera to someone that knows what's what with DSLRs and shoot some images to see if it is a simple single setting we're overlooking or if it is the bulbs. bulbs can VASTLY affect a coins look and it takes a pro to use any random bulb to get good images.
i'm pretty shocked these LED bulbs (look like incandescent) work as well as they do with my iphone 6s. i went back to one lamp and just used the method to move the coin/camera around quickly to find a good angle and voilà.
I never set out to be a photographer but the original plan was to duplicate the kind of quality images TVs bring to help determine if a coin is worthy of sending off or not.
And now I realize I don’t need an image to determine that for the most so, it’s all for fun and games (gtg) now.
And of course showing off that next top pop. 🫣
@Coinscratch said:
I never set out to be a photographer but the original plan was to duplicate the kind of quality images TVs bring to help determine if a coin is worthy of sending off or not.
And now I realize I don’t need an image to determine that for the most so, it’s all for fun and games (gtg) now.
And of course showing off that next top pop. 🫣
.
lovely close-ups.
that quarter kinda shows off a technique that allows us to see stuff on coins that is either difficult or nearly impossible w/o the right lighting/angle and once you hit that sweet spot(s). so when we ask rhetorically/literally if the graders see stuff we aren't, the answer is probably yes based on techniques/equip/training we generally don't have or have honed.
gratz on finding a solution to your grading challenge that allows you to try and succeed outside the original parameters.
Thanks @LanceNewmanOCC
I’m getting closer. I shot those pics last night with the lamps in the up position as shown and you can see where the blue hue came from (the 65 is already blue).
Here, the cell phone brings out the almost true color minus the details.
So a happy medium is in order.
.
a nice angry 75-d there. - that "technique" does make the coins look kinda neat when you have good equip like that.
flip those lights down and you should be gold.
if you flip them up like that, with some cam/dcam, if you hit the right angle they will pop but look a bit weird and reflecting light off the ceiling/wall explains why i could see those spots on the quarter like that as that is what i do to get that result.
i woulda asked about the lights up/down or whatever but figured you'd have them pointed down as they should be for pro images. ya got me!
edited to add: with such a short working distance with a copy stand like that, you may have to lower those lights some to get the right look. most copy stand working distances with 2 lights can be up to 12-18" with a 105mm or so. that can all be tweaked easily with zooming in/out and whatnot.
moving the lights, if possible, more towards you and not the wall will help too.
optional is to hold the coin or not depending on surfaces. copper and copper-ish are pretty easy to image.
pretty easy to look at the phone screen with the light and coin fixed and just look for the right angle. raising the light(s) usually helps to get a more even lighting pattern since the light has more room to "spread out."
you ever see the estimated distance for our Sun's true brightness? it is WAAAAAAAYYYYYYY towards the end of our solar system and/or out past it (not up close like it would seem) and is so bright you really can't see any detail of anything near it w/o filters. (give or take). - same challenge we face looking at other stuff way out there.
@LanceNewmanOCC when The lights are down in the correct position the photos look over exposed/off.
I removed the two snake lights that came with the set up because the bulbs produced yellow light. I did that before I realized what the white balance could do so I’ll probably reinstall those again today, lol
And re-balance.
@LanceNewmanOCC Come on man! You didn't really shoot that with a cell phone did you?
Now, the lights 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, it doesn't matter and all pointing directly at the target, or not and this is the best I can do with the Cents, granted the 03 is a PL but still. I get better shots with the lights turned away...
Comments
Nice Coin! If you adjust your camera setting you can probably have your coin cropped better. Just a thought.
Me got me some silver on the very next roll... Me so happy!!
i guess if you don't swing the bat...
but i have to say, the only other PL i saw in nearly the entire roosevelt BS run was a 51-s (there are for sure no 70s/80s/90s) so if you get it, you'd be the first. ok went back and saw a 2016-d too.
let us know how it goes!
have you compared the NGC pops to see if they have some listed as if they do, your odds, first time out goes up precipitously. otherwise it is a total bust. of course if you send off a batch, which you seem prone to do, your odds of hitting something goes up.
do you have a macro lens on that EOS? i think those are all dslr, right?
not sure if it is your iso, aperture setting, random brightness setting or the lights but something doesn't seem right there.
if you can hold your lights and move them around while looking though the viewfinder or while you tether, if the lights will simply not produce a good look, then it is most likely a camera setting and the aperture would be the first i'd check. something to do with the speed/F-stop setting of how much light gets let in.
try to over-expose on purpose and come down from there. usually people end up with too dark an image, so if you are so inclined to try, try starting at the top, not the bottom. (top-light/bottom-dark)
i'm pretty sure the EOS is a beast of a camera and from the looks of the images, that is confirmed in my non-professional opinion.
forgot to say, if it is your desire, to at least have the option to do so, you are SOOOOOO close to pro images. there really isn't much wrong from your 72-d pics. nice cropping, resolution, etc.
Coin_nut1977
Do those 5's have eyes, stage right ?
I've found another source of, lets call it a pedastole,
I use a felt floor protector used under the legs of furniture.
Many different sizes to choose from.
Yea it’s a macro something or another, no diffusers, wrong bulbs, angles or something. I’ll try the settings you mentioned.
Those pics are overexposed I shadowed the light slightly to bring out the cameo, without shadowing the pic comes out dark as a PL would.
the light bulb types certainly do matter to some extent but usually the camera settings/light angles should be able to overcome most, if not all of those issues with a dslr+macro. the aperture/shutter speed is a major factor in the amount of light that gets into the lens but the angle of the lights may even be more important than that as there may be enough light to light up the coin to be able to see it is a coin but it will not present the coin in a favorable, well, um, ya know, light.
i changed my bulbs to some, what looks like to me, cheap brand LED 60W standard size lamp or ceiling fixture bulbs. (i bought at a local antique mall, along with some other stuff) the one thing that used to kill me for long sessions is i used incandescent bulbs which even just 60w (GE reveal) would get really hot and in all my genius, i never swapped them out, that i recall. these LED will never have that problem and they are PLENTY bright, perhaps 40W would actually be better for my "setup."
i have VERRRRYYYY much enjoyed seeing some other member's comfort and skills with a pro setup bring their images to life and then once you get comfortable, you can get creative and seeing them come up with various presentations, digit albums etc has been wonderful for me. the same as for me when it all finally "clicked" and you see just how easy it is, of course, once you have the solution. then anything is easy, right?
I posted this on a different topic post, I just wanted to share with my fellow CRH"ing friends, thanks.
Let's forget about the odds, the %, the calculations for a minute...
I have built a relationship with many of the bank tellers, meaning, they know me, they smile, and I smile back. We exchange pleasantries while we trade rolls... They always tell me when the next coin shipment will come in. I tell them the treasures that I found...
Roll hunting I do at home, while my wife put on recorded 48 hours mysteries or movies. I tell my family when I find a W, a S, or the holy grail silver. I restarted quarter roll hunting in April when I realized that W's were still commanding a nice return... With what I earn from W sales, I reinvest and buy silver...
Since that restart, I have found 6 silver quarters, 6 to add to my collection, 6 times in better than none...
The odds are that coin roll hunting keeps me enjoying simple things that my parents passed on to me, I stay at home, enjoying family, and enjoying my hobby that was passed to me... Priceless
"I got one more silver dollar..."
But I'm not gonna let 'em catch me, no
Not gonna let 'em catch the midnight rider.
Silver?
W's?
Varieties?
Key Coins?
Errors?
Let's GO...
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.No. Just glare
Good Luck! I have a box also to go thru. I don't ever see Silver though. Sometimes Loomis not so much NF Strings.
well, while roll searching my life was in danger today.
as i hadn't eaten a particularly nutritious breakfast, i REALLY was starting to find the really shiny quarters, quite appealing but thought they were too nice to eat, so i picked these out!
.
.
.
.
so JUST as i was about to gobble up a handful, i looked down and saw this...
.
.
.
.
talk about impeccable timing!~
Another Guam, my highest count is Guan at 115, already listed
Guam!
Not many in my area
Keep them coming! I think I have a total of 75 West Points so far.
Got this one in pocket change from a local casino last night!
VDDR-001
Just hunted down 2 in the Category, after 14 rolls.
Silver ✔
W's
Varieties
Key Coins
Errors ✔
A Way off Center
SILVER!
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line..
MAD - a neat one.
an interesting batch of 25c rolls today. had that feel of leftover inventory/collection kinda.
"W"'s?
ya.
i did find my first modern S the other day. shenedoah?
Another check in the category!
Silver✔
W's✔
Varieties
Key Coins
Errors✔
After 37 Rolls
#153 W
Box Completed, thanks.
Rating: Very Good!
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.What a score!
Congratulations.
That should be called the, "Scarface George".
Awesome Strike through. They're may be more identicals?
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.I will be looking for them
very neat strike through 2016 quarter.
that would be PRIME for a good "slasher" movie nickname.
anyone in history known for slashing people's throats?
i can think of a few good movies with character names as nicknames but they probably aren't catchy enough. just recognizable.
New Weekend Quarter Hunt!
Silver?
W's?
Varieties?
Key Coin?
Error?
Ready to check some off!
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.Whoopsies
Had this for awhile and just noticed this. Oops.
@LanceNewmanOCC
Here's that 72 PL done a little better along with a few others. This particular lighting works well for cameo but lacks in color.
Same roll find
nice.
great sharpness, cropping, presentation etc.
just probably 1 step missing. idk if it is the bulbs or a camera setting.
if you try an incandescent bulb, if you have one, that should tell us if it is the bulbs or the camera as we need something to just show luster bands. don't worry about anything else right now. gotta get those surfaces to look accurate.
obviously a few of those are nice images but just not as accurate as they could be, depending on just how far you want to take all of this.
let me say, that once i FINALLY figured out my settings and lighting, i could shoot pro images at NEARLY the pace of just putting the coin under the lens and hitting shutter release and moving to the next coin as fast as my hands could move (for raw coins) MOST should be able to be shot very quickly and easily but i had my lights loose and could move them at will while looking through the viewfinder as speed was pretty high up on my list, as a dealer and fairly active forum(s) member.
a good litmus test is to ask ourselves, what would i think about this item as a potential purchase on ebay or another website from the images above.
we can eliminate a few settings, granted i used a nikon, not a canon but i highly doubt it is the iso, brightness, aperture etc settings. there may be a pre-set that gives this look or it just could be the bulbs but again, i think you are very close.
again, depending on how dedicated you are, if it just take too much effort and you CAN'T figure it out eventually, i'd considering sending the camera to someone that knows what's what with DSLRs and shoot some images to see if it is a simple single setting we're overlooking or if it is the bulbs. bulbs can VASTLY affect a coins look and it takes a pro to use any random bulb to get good images.
i'm pretty shocked these LED bulbs (look like incandescent) work as well as they do with my iphone 6s. i went back to one lamp and just used the method to move the coin/camera around quickly to find a good angle and voilà.
I never set out to be a photographer but the original plan was to duplicate the kind of quality images TVs bring to help determine if a coin is worthy of sending off or not.
And now I realize I don’t need an image to determine that for the most so, it’s all for fun and games (gtg) now.
And of course showing off that next top pop. 🫣
Top pop not shown here see figure one 😉
It’s all in the details :-)
.
lovely close-ups.
that quarter kinda shows off a technique that allows us to see stuff on coins that is either difficult or nearly impossible w/o the right lighting/angle and once you hit that sweet spot(s). so when we ask rhetorically/literally if the graders see stuff we aren't, the answer is probably yes based on techniques/equip/training we generally don't have or have honed.
gratz on finding a solution to your grading challenge that allows you to try and succeed outside the original parameters.
Thanks @LanceNewmanOCC
I’m getting closer. I shot those pics last night with the lamps in the up position as shown and you can see where the blue hue came from (the 65 is already blue).
Here, the cell phone brings out the almost true color minus the details.
So a happy medium is in order.
Yea
@Coinscratch... Great pictures.... I do believe you have the formula. Cheers, RickO
.
- that "technique" does make the coins look kinda neat when you have good equip like that. 
a nice angry 75-d there.
flip those lights down and you should be gold.
if you flip them up like that, with some cam/dcam, if you hit the right angle they will pop but look a bit weird and reflecting light off the ceiling/wall explains why i could see those spots on the quarter like that as that is what i do to get that result.
i woulda asked about the lights up/down or whatever but figured you'd have them pointed down as they should be for pro images. ya got me!
edited to add: with such a short working distance with a copy stand like that, you may have to lower those lights some to get the right look. most copy stand working distances with 2 lights can be up to 12-18" with a 105mm or so. that can all be tweaked easily with zooming in/out and whatnot.
moving the lights, if possible, more towards you and not the wall will help too.
1 lamp - regular shaped light bulb LED 60W
1 iphone 6s
1 shaky hand holding the camera
optional is to hold the coin or not depending on surfaces. copper and copper-ish are pretty easy to image.
pretty easy to look at the phone screen with the light and coin fixed and just look for the right angle. raising the light(s) usually helps to get a more even lighting pattern since the light has more room to "spread out."
you ever see the estimated distance for our Sun's true brightness? it is WAAAAAAAYYYYYYY towards the end of our solar system and/or out past it (not up close like it would seem) and is so bright you really can't see any detail of anything near it w/o filters. (give or take). - same challenge we face looking at other stuff way out there.
@LanceNewmanOCC when The lights are down in the correct position the photos look over exposed/off.
I removed the two snake lights that came with the set up because the bulbs produced yellow light. I did that before I realized what the white balance could do so I’ll probably reinstall those again today, lol
And re-balance.
@LanceNewmanOCC Come on man! You didn't really shoot that with a cell phone did you?
Now, the lights 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, it doesn't matter and all pointing directly at the target, or not and this is the best I can do with the Cents, granted the 03 is a PL but still. I get better shots with the lights turned away...
No color almost looks monochrome.
