@Rob41281 , congrats on getting a + on that 1960 Roosie I sold you! Here's how it looked when I first bought it:
I sold it on eBay for about triple what I paid for it. The buyer got it upgraded to a 67 and put it on Great Collections. I won it again there for about $50 less than I'd sold it for. In any case, it is a really nice coin and the TrueView looks great!
@CoinJunkie Thanks!
Seems like there’s quite a few upgrades made on those earlier holders. I had one graded MS66 in the white label 7 digit holder get cracked and come back 67+FB.
@Rob41281 said: @CoinJunkie Thanks!
Seems like there’s quite a few upgrades made on those earlier holders. I had one graded MS66 in the white label 7 digit holder get cracked and come back 67+FB.
Yep, coins sometimes get seriously undergraded, as well as overgraded. The 1960 was in with a box of Roosies that I received from a serious collector several years ago when he was looking to unload some dupes. At the asking price, it was a no-brainer. I got a couple others that subsequently upgraded out of that lot, as well.
I've had these 2 for some time now.
67 about 3 mos.
20o5 About 1 year.
Really bothering me as both are the same shade of yellow.
Both came from coin rolls.
Any insight would be apprecated
The following is MY OPINION on the PCGS 1965-DATE Full Band Roosie Dime Registry Category......................
As of today, Feb. 29,2020, there are a total of 14 dates/mm that have a TOTAL FULL BAND POP of LESS THAN 10(ten).
Three of these 14 dates/mm have a TOTAL FULL BAND POP of 1(ONE) coin. I repeat, ONE FULL BAND COIN TOTAL
1974-1978-1990P.............
There are 5 dates/mm that have a TOTAL FULL BAND POP of 2(TWO) coins. I repeat, TWO FULL BAND COINS TOTAL.
1976-1979-1980P-1980D-1991D..................
However, PCGS gives a Roosie Dime aTWO POINT BONUS For a FULL BAND coin in EVERY SINGLE DATE/MM from 1965-Present.
Does this make sense to anybody???
Wouldn't common sense tell a reasonable person of sound mind that the above mentioned dates/MM should be
given more FULL BAND WEIGHT than a 2018 Full Band Roosie?
How can the present Roosie collectors request a change be made by PCGS to the weight given to coins in this series?
As an avid collector of this series, I would just like for the ratings of each date/mm to reflect the most reasonable and common sense bonuses.
I would like to hear from my fellow Roosie gang buddies about this.
Change is good sometimes, and change for the better is good all of the time.
Agree or dis-agree is OK with me.
Danny, seems to me our hosts can change the point system based on their own pop reports.
Ex. Full band Pop less than 100, 3 points. Full band Pop less than 50, 3.5 points. Full band Pop less than 10, 4 points.
Makes no sense to me at all that a certain date & m/m with a total fb pop of less that 100 or less than 10 should score the same as another date m/m with a Pop in the thousands.
Danny - I can see you point. I don't really have a horse in this race since even though I collect Roosies I am not a big player in the FB sets. I can understand your point that a 10 FB coin should get a bigger bonus than say coins with 100 or 1000 FB's.
PCGS gives 2(Two) Full Band Bonus points for the 2000P and the 1999P Roosie Dimes, both with a Full Band Total Pop of over400 coins.....
PCGS gives 2(Two) Full Band Bonus points for the 1974 Roosie Dime, which has a Full Band Total Pop of 1(One).
Only one 1974 Full Band Roosie has been graded by PCGS in 46YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Someone at the PCGS Registry needs to explain this to me (and all Roosie collectors).
Some things in life seem so screwed up.
Sometimes, someone need to step up and advocate for change, to "right the wrong".
This is one of those screwed up situations.
For The Record:
I am not advocating for change to help my own cause.
I DO NOT OWN A SINGLe FULL BAND COIN of the above mentioned 14 dates/MM, so changing the Full Band Bonus point total WILL NOT HELP MY REGISTRY SET at all (in these dates/MM.
Great suggestions. I posted a few years back my thoughts. When it comes to setting up new weights on sets, why try to reinvent the wheel? Take a Washington Basic Registry set and the 1948-D that has a weight of 4, yet while the 1948 mint set has a weight of 2. Your suggestion pertains to census rarity and mine would take into account condition/mintage/population rarity. Take the Roosevelt basic FB set and the 1949-P and 1949-S both have a weight of 3 while the same coins in a '49 mint set only have 2. I could go on but I'm sure you get my point as I fully get yours. Sounds simple doesn't it? Both of our suggestions are not knocking the Registry, they are meant only to suggest ways to better improve it. It has been many years since these weights have been looked at and it might just be a great time to revisit them.
You have stated my point more clearly.
I am not knocking the PCGS Registry in any way.
I am only offering a suggestion to improve it and make it better (and more up-to-date), specifically in the Roosie Dime category.
Life is about change. Change for the better is good.
Let's make the change, and who better to monitor the needed changes than those who are the most
knowledgeable in the Roosie Dime field?
If I were employed by PCGS and working within the Set Registry, I would always be looking for new ways to improve
the Registry and make it better.
Love the comments made here, but they'll fall on deaf ears.
We spoke about getting new weights to all Roosevelt Dimes a few years back if memory serves and nothing happened. Heck have you looked at the pop report lately? It to me is in shambles from about 2000-Date. That's an easy fix.
As far as weights are concerned, there is a lot more to it other than the number of FB dimes. You have to take into consideration U.S. mint mintages for that year for all circ. coins and the % rate for submissions made.
Also do you have a high population of MS64FB's compared to no MS67FB's for that date vs. tons of MS67's vs. no MS64's. Some clads have higher pops in the non FB's vs. FB's.
Plus if you look at the actual bands on the bottom of the torch, you will get over a dozen different looking bands depending on which year the dime was minted. 1990 bands are nothing like 1970 bands and really nothing like 2000 bands. That effects FB grading for sure. Does anyone have official records of when the mint recut the reverse dies? Are those records available? This unfortunately, for me anyways, takes into consideration for weighting.
I for one just don't care about the weights anymore and overall wish the pop report was permantly fixed. That would be a great day. For me, I'm just trying to put the best set together I can afford.
Best of luck my friend, it would be neat to see what comes of it.
Good luck is right @Stooge . They haven't even got the 2019 coins in all the sets. I brought it to David Talks attention twice and nothing. No response......nothing!
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Well, it's not a Roosie, but I just got this one back from PCGS. The TrueView doesn't quite capture all the flash in hand.
67FB
Yup, agree Lablover. ( best I can do )
Here is your fix
rainbowroosie April 1, 2003
Fantastic coin!!!
Are you saving that one for the Roosie Gang, or just me?
Don’t think I’ve posted this one before:
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
Sweet coins David and Bob. Thanks for posting.
I just noticed that PCGS recently made another 68+ Roosie, only the second non-FB coin to achieve that grade, and the third overall.
Pretty coin! Wouldn't the complete Silver set in that grade be SWEET!!
67+ w/QA gold
67- Going back in at LB for shot at a +.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/rs8199/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
Nice! Good luck!
Love the 63
I like them both a lot!
My latest! Believe it belonged to someone on here.
I just got my 1946-S 504 back from PCGS. I really thought it would 67.
Is the action on the chin raised or indented?
rainbowroosie April 1, 2003
It's really minor, but looks to be indented. Could be why it didn't 67.
Yes the chatter
rainbowroosie April 1, 2003
Maybe I'll find a better one someday........I look at a LOT of 46-S's!
I see your 63 made the 67+ at Long Beach...Congrats!!!
Posted this on the Open Board last week. It's a coin I got from Danny at FUN, finally received the TrueView.
Thanks but when it did someone else had to have it and couldn’t pass up the offer, now resides in the #2 ranked set.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/rs8199/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
All 3 67’s I sent to Long Beach made top pop 67+’s. 2 of which have already been sold once they did
http://www.ebay.com/sch/rs8199/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
Had to happen sooner or later. I made the first one maybe six or seven years ago! Guess I'll have to try mine for a 68 now...
A few TV’s that were Just done of some recent additions to my registry.
67FB
67
67
67+
http://www.ebay.com/sch/rs8199/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
Currently resides ATS in an MS68FT holder.
Looking for advice. Should I try crossing to PCGS?
TIA
@Rob41281 , congrats on getting a + on that 1960 Roosie I sold you! Here's how it looked when I first bought it:
I sold it on eBay for about triple what I paid for it. The buyer got it upgraded to a 67 and put it on Great Collections. I won it again there for about $50 less than I'd sold it for. In any case, it is a really nice coin and the TrueView looks great!
@CoinJunkie Thanks!
Seems like there’s quite a few upgrades made on those earlier holders. I had one graded MS66 in the white label 7 digit holder get cracked and come back 67+FB.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/rs8199/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
Yep, coins sometimes get seriously undergraded, as well as overgraded. The 1960 was in with a box of Roosies that I received from a serious collector several years ago when he was looking to unload some dupes. At the asking price, it was a no-brainer. I got a couple others that subsequently upgraded out of that lot, as well.
I've had these 2 for some time now.
67 about 3 mos.
20o5 About 1 year.
Really bothering me as both are the same shade of yellow.
Both came from coin rolls.
Any insight would be apprecated
@emeraldATV
Wrong thread, wrong forum.
I'd take a shot or 2. I give it 10% chance at best of crossing based on the pic. It would be a good set up coin
for a group crossing
The following is MY OPINION on the PCGS 1965-DATE Full Band Roosie Dime Registry Category......................
As of today, Feb. 29,2020, there are a total of 14 dates/mm that have a TOTAL FULL BAND POP of LESS THAN 10(ten).
Three of these 14 dates/mm have a TOTAL FULL BAND POP of 1(ONE) coin. I repeat, ONE FULL BAND COIN TOTAL
1974-1978-1990P.............
There are 5 dates/mm that have a TOTAL FULL BAND POP of 2(TWO) coins. I repeat, TWO FULL BAND COINS TOTAL.
1976-1979-1980P-1980D-1991D..................
However, PCGS gives a Roosie Dime aTWO POINT BONUS For a FULL BAND coin in EVERY SINGLE DATE/MM from 1965-Present.
Does this make sense to anybody???
Wouldn't common sense tell a reasonable person of sound mind that the above mentioned dates/MM should be
given more FULL BAND WEIGHT than a 2018 Full Band Roosie?
How can the present Roosie collectors request a change be made by PCGS to the weight given to coins in this series?
As an avid collector of this series, I would just like for the ratings of each date/mm to reflect the most reasonable and common sense bonuses.
I would like to hear from my fellow Roosie gang buddies about this.
Change is good sometimes, and change for the better is good all of the time.
Agree or dis-agree is OK with me.
Danny Biddle
Paris, KY.
Danny, seems to me our hosts can change the point system based on their own pop reports.
Ex. Full band Pop less than 100, 3 points. Full band Pop less than 50, 3.5 points. Full band Pop less than 10, 4 points.
Makes no sense to me at all that a certain date & m/m with a total fb pop of less that 100 or less than 10 should score the same as another date m/m with a Pop in the thousands.
Danny - I can see you point. I don't really have a horse in this race since even though I collect Roosies I am not a big player in the FB sets. I can understand your point that a 10 FB coin should get a bigger bonus than say coins with 100 or 1000 FB's.
PCGS gives 2(Two) Full Band Bonus points for the 2000P and the 1999P Roosie Dimes, both with a Full Band Total Pop of over400 coins.....
PCGS gives 2(Two) Full Band Bonus points for the 1974 Roosie Dime, which has a Full Band Total Pop of 1(One).
Only one 1974 Full Band Roosie has been graded by PCGS in 46YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Someone at the PCGS Registry needs to explain this to me (and all Roosie collectors).
Some things in life seem so screwed up.
Sometimes, someone need to step up and advocate for change, to "right the wrong".
This is one of those screwed up situations.
For The Record:
I am not advocating for change to help my own cause.
I DO NOT OWN A SINGLe FULL BAND COIN of the above mentioned 14 dates/MM, so changing the Full Band Bonus point total WILL NOT HELP MY REGISTRY SET at all (in these dates/MM.
Danny,
Great suggestions. I posted a few years back my thoughts. When it comes to setting up new weights on sets, why try to reinvent the wheel? Take a Washington Basic Registry set and the 1948-D that has a weight of 4, yet while the 1948 mint set has a weight of 2. Your suggestion pertains to census rarity and mine would take into account condition/mintage/population rarity. Take the Roosevelt basic FB set and the 1949-P and 1949-S both have a weight of 3 while the same coins in a '49 mint set only have 2. I could go on but I'm sure you get my point as I fully get yours. Sounds simple doesn't it?
Both of our suggestions are not knocking the Registry, they are meant only to suggest ways to better improve it. It has been many years since these weights have been looked at and it might just be a great time to revisit them. 
Ken
My Washington Type B/C Set
You have stated my point more clearly.
I am not knocking the PCGS Registry in any way.
I am only offering a suggestion to improve it and make it better (and more up-to-date), specifically in the Roosie Dime category.
Life is about change. Change for the better is good.
Let's make the change, and who better to monitor the needed changes than those who are the most
knowledgeable in the Roosie Dime field?
If I were employed by PCGS and working within the Set Registry, I would always be looking for new ways to improve
the Registry and make it better.
Danny,
Love the comments made here, but they'll fall on deaf ears.
We spoke about getting new weights to all Roosevelt Dimes a few years back if memory serves and nothing happened. Heck have you looked at the pop report lately? It to me is in shambles from about 2000-Date. That's an easy fix.
As far as weights are concerned, there is a lot more to it other than the number of FB dimes. You have to take into consideration U.S. mint mintages for that year for all circ. coins and the % rate for submissions made.
Also do you have a high population of MS64FB's compared to no MS67FB's for that date vs. tons of MS67's vs. no MS64's. Some clads have higher pops in the non FB's vs. FB's.
Plus if you look at the actual bands on the bottom of the torch, you will get over a dozen different looking bands depending on which year the dime was minted. 1990 bands are nothing like 1970 bands and really nothing like 2000 bands. That effects FB grading for sure. Does anyone have official records of when the mint recut the reverse dies? Are those records available? This unfortunately, for me anyways, takes into consideration for weighting.
I for one just don't care about the weights anymore and overall wish the pop report was permantly fixed. That would be a great day. For me, I'm just trying to put the best set together I can afford.
Best of luck my friend, it would be neat to see what comes of it.
Later, Paul.
Good luck is right @Stooge . They haven't even got the 2019 coins in all the sets. I brought it to David Talks attention twice and nothing. No response......nothing!
Not impressive grade wise (was NGC MS66* before coming to PCGS), but color is out of this world.
TrueView is too dark......still colorful.
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
Beautiful Roosies Bob!
Same coin, different photographers...
Wow...what a difference! I think I like the top pic the best.
Here's a few freshly graded coins just back from our host. Cracked them from Anacs & NGC holders.
Oh, the 63 I pulled from my Raw Set. Enjoy...
1950-S MS67
1951-S MS67FB
1953-S MS67+ (Just sold this one)
1963 MS66FB
Very nice. I love the 51S
Jim, That 63 was in your raw set
WoW!
Congratulations to Danny Biddle. His 1946 - Date FB Roosie set just leaped over Hansen and Halcyon to
claim the number 1 current finest spot, You can view his set here:
https://pcgs.com/SetRegistry/half-dimes/roosevelt-dimes-major-sets/roosevelt-dimes-fb-major-varieties-circulation-strikes-1946-present/2018
Danny Quick take a screen shot.
WTG Danny and I love all of your new Dimes!