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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,984 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 27, 2019 3:31AM

    @pitboss said:
    It will be between the Yankees and Rays this year . The Rays have the pitching and the Yankees have the hitting. The Red Sox have nothing except lousy management and sloppy players who make a ton of money. They just don't have any spark this year.Say goodnight the party is over!

    Looks like it’s going to be a good year for the Skunks, my name for the Yankees. I don’t see the Rays giving them much of a run. The turmoil with the Rays owners playing half their games in Montreal is another distraction.

    Listening to the local Tampa sports casters, the Rays had the Eastern Division wrapped up in May. LOL. They were the same guys who said the Bolts were a shoe-in for the Stanley Cup.

    Look for the Tampa franchise to move in a couple years. The attendance is terrible, the ballpark is poorly located and the local politicians have no incentive to keep the team here.

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  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,492 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The jokers are on the international stage today. Ouch

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,652 ✭✭✭✭✭

    6 Runs right back at them 👍

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,652 ✭✭✭✭✭

    GO SOX!!!

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Out played, out hit, out pitched, out managed, and on their way to an embarrassing loss in front of an International audience. A dismal performance, which (other than the horrible score), seems to be more norm than not. Cora isn't up to the task, but sounds good on tv...maybe he's gone at some point.

    Wonder what Dapper Dumbrowski and his sidekick Tony L are thinking? Or do they even care at this point? Pitching is horrific, but not a peep of any trades, rumors, nada.

  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,492 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I guess I wouldn't mind so much if the Sox were not spending $200+ million on this. Bogaerts was a good signing at that price and he's delivering. Porcello is enjoying his last year in the uniform, thankfully. Maybe spend on bullpen would have been a good idea. They have a bunch of batting practice relievers it seems

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe a different outcome if Devers had the bat when they had the bases loaded late. But, it looks like Cora wanted to give up on his team by pulling Devers out, among other things. Oh, maybe he was saving Devers for tomorrow...boneheaded move. Devers already had a double and a hot bat.

    Cora (paraphrasing) keeps looking for "springboards" to get the team going. Earth to Alex...earth to Alex...you're quickly running out of games to find that springboard. Maybe you and Dapper Dumbo should have focused on the loss of Kimbo and Kelley. No bullpen, no pitching, yet you pay them a fortune for paltry results. Even if you come back 9 out, you still ain't gonna see post season...11 back will be the final straw.

    Ok, Dandy Don, sing it man, 'cause my team is 10 out and sinking like a stone over the Mariana Trench.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,652 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Up 4-1 early

  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,492 ✭✭✭✭✭

    bullpen ten runs in 3.2 innings :s

    Devers didn't do it with bases loaded today, but he's still the guy you want up there in that situation these days

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,652 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:
    Up 4-1 early

    Silly me 🙄

  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,492 ✭✭✭✭✭

    it's ok to enjoy it for a little bit before the BP comes in

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 30, 2019 6:05PM

    What makes the experience today more disappointing was the PAINFUL to listen to announcers! Why ESPN thinks ARod is worthy of such a position is a mystery. This known PED user, suspended for a year for usage and now bounces around like nothing ever happened. Perhaps the best (worst) comment I heard him say was "when you put the ball in play, good things happen" What an absolutely brilliant observation. Then Jessica comes up with "I can't tell you how hard that is to do", this when referencing what a player had just done, as though she's been in the MLB trenches for years and knows the drill. Thank God for the mute button!!

    Now the camera shows our illustrious manager, one Alex Cora, pounding sun flower seeds, looking like he just buried his dog. With 3 HRs and a 4-0 lead in the 1st inning, how could things go so wrong? Alex...could be your pitching decisions!! Now 4-2 end of the 6th...looking good! NOT. The Yankees scoring 9 runs in the 7th was typical of Cora's decisions to leave pitchers in too long, or not having the best pitcher available in there in the first place. Run after run after run...yet, the losers keep throwing the ball. I stopped watching when Brasier came in...enough was enough for me.

    I will say Chavis made it exciting yesterday...I wonder how it would have gone with Devers up with the bases loaded in yesterday's game. Again, today with bases juiced, no key hit to keep the line moving...no spark, no rally, no nada when they needed it most.

    No doubt Cora will have some things to say to the press that will cover somehow. Only time will tell what Dapper Dumbo and drinking buddy Tony can come up with...as for me, I'm done, just not worth my time to watch such a collapse.

    eleven back and done

  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 30, 2019 2:48PM

    A Roid is awful. Good Lord.

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  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,492 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Devers is just a beast as of late. At least we got that going for us

  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭

    I will try and watch todays game until I can't stand it anymore and lately that has not been too long.

  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭

    7-0 and Cora leaves Porcello in till its 7-6. Good night Mrs Kalabash where ever you are.

  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,492 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Devers is just a beast as of late. At least we got that going for us. Didn't fare well today, but rest of team picked up for him for once

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,652 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A little break might do them good

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:
    A little break might do them good

    Well Paul, I don't think the break will do much other than to spend time with family for a shortie vacation. We still have the abysmal pitching and BP that is all but a disaster. OB and Eck try their best to paint a nice picture, but they know things are in a deep rut and occasionally refer to lackluster performance. BTW, I think NESN is grooming Eck to be the play analyst and Remy slowly but steadily slipping out the door, maybe Remy has travel issues. I pre-ordered Remy's book "If Walls Could Talk"...should get it this week, I understand its a good read. Hardly ever see the "other announcers", who I think are terrible. Why they have the never-ending cutie pie doing little snipets during the game, which in essence is just her repeating what somebody said to her is a mystery to me...much like the side line junk in NFL games, which also adds NADA.

    I don't get any local Boston news other than I record Howie Carr, just to keep my ear to what's going on in his view of the Boston area. He's supposed to be doing a 50th anniversary thing about Mary Jo and Chappaquidick...I doubt it'll be very complimentary to the now deceased Senator.

    Now come the Dodgers who want **BADLY** to crush the Red Sox in Fenway, and they may well do exactly that. Don't be surprised if you see a sweep, they'll be chomping at the bit to take it to the team, big time!! It'll be nice to see Joe K again, hopefully he's a bit off the mark.

    Hope your 4th was good.

    Al

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,984 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sox fans should thankful for last year and leave it that. Only the Yankees have a history of winning year after year.

    I have not watching an inning of Red Sox baseball this year. It’s hard to see them here in Florida unless you can catch a Rays game, or you pay extra for a special cable channel.

    According to some posts here, they are playing like spoiled rich kids. The Sox under Tom Yawkey had a history of that. Perhaps it’s in the DNA of the franchise.

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  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:
    Sox fans should thankful for last year and leave it that. Only the Yankees have a history of winning year after year.

    According to some posts here, they are playing like spoiled rich kids. The Sox under Tom Yawkey had a history of that. Perhaps it’s in the DNA of the franchise.

    As for your first comment, I think all of Red Sox Nation is very thankful for the year the team had last year...clearly I great accomplishment. However ,I would disagree with the "and leave it at that". While the team today largely consists of the same group from last year, sans Kimbrel and Kelley, their play has been less than stellar and well below expectations. In turn, those of us that follow the team closely, get to watch all the short comings, the lack of key hits, the inept pitching and all the rest that goes with an ongoing poor performance. I for one, will continue as I see fit to post about this lackluster performance.

    As for your second comment, I don't see these players as playing like spoiled rich kids. Although they are mostly millionaires, I see them more like not playing to their potential given the performances of last year. Certainly not like spoiled rich kids as you refer to "according to some posts"...could you cite those posts?

    Even the Red Sox announcers, O'Brien, Remy and Eckersley have made gentle mention of the overall lackluster performance of the team.

    Tom Yawkey died in 1976 and was a racist through and through. Although they had strong black players in their minor league organization, he refused to bring them up. But finally in 1959, Pumpsie Green became the first black player to crack the major league Red Sox team. However, how you came up with "spoiled rich kids playing under Yawkey" and "had a history of that". Even with adjustments for inflation, I seriously doubt you could call anyone on those teams as "spoiled little rich kids"...and that includes Ted Williams . How about putting up some proof of that allegation?

    While you state "I have not watching an inning of Red Sox baseball this year." Perhaps your analysis would have more validity had you at least watched or reviewed excerpts of games on the MLB channel, surely even you get that one.

  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭

    Dombrowski needs to shake up the team somehow but even if he does it will be hard for them to make up the 9 game hole they are in. The pitching staff just can not do the job that is required of them to make a serious run at the Yankees. Past and present management has put them in this hole they are in today with some pretty stupid deals.

  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭

    I myself would rather see them dump a couple of overpaid has beens and pick up some prospects that might be able to help them in the next couple of years than see them pick up some other teams players that will cost them more money than they can afford to resign to a contract this winter. We have seen enough of those moves already. That is what put them in the hole to start with.

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Now cometh the Dodgers...blood in their eyes and revenge in their hearts.
    Strap in guys, it's gonna be a bumpy ride!!!

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A nice win !! The team played like champions against the best team in baseball. Big credit to ERod, who pitched a gem. After the rain delay the bats came alive for 5 in the 7th. JD, Benny and Chavis combined for 0 hits...amazing that the team put up 8 runs without that power!

    Well done...maybe there's a distant spark. maybe

  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭

    Yankees and Rays both lost today 2-1 so big chance to gain ground on both of them. I hope sale is strong tonight.

  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭

    Sox picked up Cashner. This could help

  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,492 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm all for the team "selling" their high dollar contracts before this deadline. Save some money. That's what I would do, but then again I am not a billionaire

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pitboss said:
    Sox picked up Cashner. This could help

    I don't think the addition of Sandy Koufax could help at this point. The horse has pretty much left the barn. The team just didn't seem to be able to get the key hits with RISP. I think they lost a lot of games with some lackluster play, poor base running and the aforementioned lack of hits.

    Once again, the big choke with a man on 2nd and no outs...it was there's to lose, and lose they did. And Kelly gets the save.

    Toast.

  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭

    After last nigh, I completely agree.

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well, although I was playing poker and didn't see the game...we should give props to Chavis' first grando!!
    Hopefully (and I'm pretty sure he did), the fan who got the ball made sure that Chavis got it.

  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭

    It will be interesting how Cashner fares for the Sox going forward. It may have been a key pickup for the Sox as he was 9-3 with the worst team in the league.

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Another brutal loss by an inferior team.

    Gee Dumbo is your guru, one Tony "I know all about baseball" LaRussa giving you any advice at all? Or do you guys just go pop tops after the game. You are P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C for not having made any deals worthy of helping the team in the pitching department. So, this Cashner thing, how's that working out for the team?

    I have no clue why I watch some of these games...thank God I'm off to Europe in August and won't know anything about how dismal the team will be doing for a few weeks.

  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭

    Cashner was worthless in his showcase for sure. Pathetic does not go far enough in your description of this years team. Thankfully we had heavy cloud cover her and could not get a signal for a good part of that game.

  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭

    Sale looked great yesterday but I doubt if his improvement alone can carry them far in the playoffs.
    Evoldi coming back as their closer could help also but will those 2 be enough?
    We shall see.

  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,492 ✭✭✭✭✭

    a great performance every tenth time out there won't cut it (Sale). If Eovaldi can pitch the 8th and 9th every day, maybe!

  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭

    At this point making the playoffs is going to be quite an accomplishment never mind winning a series.

  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,492 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How did Cashner win 9 with the Orioles? Watching him today and he often looks like the guy pitching for HR Derby

  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭

    Losing 2 out of 3 to the orioles is the final nail in the coffin for me. The next few years will be no better with the hole they have dug for themselves with players like Price signed for $30 million a year,

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,652 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pitboss said:
    At this point making the playoffs is going to be quite an accomplishment never mind winning a series.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwq7BYOnDrM

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 22, 2019 8:21AM

    What say you Tony? Oh, sorry, you just sit there and shoot the breeze with Dumbo. Gee, I thought you were the great guru, Mr. Fixit of baseball, HOFer and all. All you do is sit there looking stupid, like your best bud. Yours and Dumbo's contribution to the success of this team is grossly lacking. The best you could do after all this mess is Cashner? He looks like a bouncer in a bar and he who gave up the 4 runs.

    This team is locked into a downward spiral, no question. To be zipped by the worst team in baseball, is a total disgrace. A one-hitter against the worst team in MLB!! If I could cancel my MLB package and get a refund I would. Cora is out managed and obviously has no counter to these ongoing losses. He talks like its gonna get better when he puts on the headphones and does the yack, yack with the booth. Face it Alex, you're like the captain of the Titanic, you are rapidly approaching the iceberg.

    Here's a little nugget to show the character of one David Price...
    https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27210058/price-responds-spat-eckersley-resurfaces

    The next fourteen games are with the Rays and Yankees...the coup de gras cometh soon. Lack of key hits, inept play, horrible pitching...all this briefly penetrated by slivers of brilliance.

    As I've posted long ago, and so hoped that I would have to eat those words...this season is TOAST.

  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,492 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Eovaldi the bullpen savior :D

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nothing can save that bullpen...and if they did it wouldn't amount to much. They've lost too many and fumbled away enough games to make this season a dismal failure.

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    NESN, for the love of God, please dump Carlos Pena from the booth. He is AWFUL!!! Who was the person in your organization that thought he could speak with resonable diction? I could only take it for about ten minutes. He is worse than nails on a chalk board. How on earth can you not see that? His game analysis is beyond lame, using cliches that are overly hyped, trying to sound like Eck or Remy.

    Did I really just hear him say "if we played with better synergy we'd have a better record"?? I gotta go change the station, I'd rather listen to reruns of Gilligan's Island than this pathetic garbage.

  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,492 ✭✭✭✭✭

    the ninth was painful to watch as they tried to give the game away after a "comfortable" three run lead

  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭

    They won ! That was the only difference I saw. Sale went the extra mile tp get the win. Benny and JD seem to have found their strokes now so I will take the positive approach and route for them to come around.

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pitboss said:
    They won ! That was the only difference I saw. Sale went the extra mile tp get the win. Benny and JD seem to have found their strokes now so I will take the positive approach and route for them to come around.

    Irrational exuberance.

    They have dug a hole too deep, blown too many games they should have won...Baltimore being the classic. They almost blew the game with Workman giving up 2 in the bottom of the ninth. and the bases loaded. Paying Eovaldi $17m to be a closer is a stretch, that won't last. Steve, I think maybe you need to take off the rose tinted glasses...I too would like to see a string of wins, but this season's history shows they are incapable of putting together a serious run of wins against the top opponents...last 2 games the exception. The next 12 games are all against the Rays and Yankees...8 of which are the Yankees.

    Big rah, rah now in ESPN news about the Red Sox moving into 2nd place...NOT RIGHT, they are tied for second place, and will soon be out of second place...mark my words!!

    The trade deadline cometh, I wouldn't be surprised to see big, big changes in the Red Sox team.

  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭

    There will be big changes coming if they do not beat up on the Yankees there is no question about that. My rose collared glasses are a little crouded right now but I am hoping for the best in the next week or so. If they are going to do anything this year it has to be now. I too have been critical of the sox this year as I expected better play out of them. Unfortunately if they trade players at the deadline they will not be positive trades as it will be impossible to trade out of their problems as no one is going to take their problem players off their hands. They will be stuck with the problem players for years to come.

  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 10,226 ✭✭✭✭✭

    what the actual $%$%$%$% happened out there today? No one one the feild knows the rule so they take a nap for 30 minutes?

    I mean I didn't know either but I don't collect a paycheck from a team or the league.

    That was the dumbest thing I've ever seen

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    what the actual $%$%$%$% happened out there today?

    the Rays made a substitution, lost the DH and confused Cora. he was probably so upset that he had to have the Umpires explain the rules to him that he threw a hissy-fit and then protested to save face. it's sort of interesting to watch, isn't manipulation of the rules, because you are smarter than everyone else, supposed to be a Boston tradition?? Bill Belichick does this sort of thing as a matter of routine because he's smarter than his opposing HC's.

    maybe he needs to have a sit-down with Cora. :|

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