No.........I don't think those who hold 2008 proof plats are depending on 2008 proof mintages being below unc. numbers. They are hoping they will stay below 2004 plat. proof numbers.
Value of a coin is product of mintage and demand. The 2008 plat proofs may have a higher value than similar 2008 uncs. even if mintages are higher in proofs than uncs. Why? Because the collector base for proofs is broader and more established than for the uncs.
Update - No one accepted my proposed trade of my 2008-W MS70 set plus $1,000 for their 2006-W MS70 set. The true barameter for which set is "king" - no?
And, remember lowest pop is not always the determining factor to price and which coin is the key to the series. The 1991 $25 MS Gold still remains, hands down, the key to the $25 Gold Eagle series with its 24,000 pop, while the 18,000 or 19,000 pop 2006-W $25 Gold continues to sell for around 1/2 the price to this day (not that much over the price common $25's trade at).
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Yes. This used to be a very good thread to share information and research with others. It still is a nice thread and we have very good input from many posters. Some have very strong convictions and have try to push it onto others by using insults and attacks that are uncalled for. If we could all share without insulting anybody maybe this thread could get back on course.
<< <i>Update - No one accepted my proposed trade of my 2008-W MS70 set plus $1,000 for their 2006-W MS70 set. The true barameter for which set is "king" - no?
And, remember lowest pop is not always the determining factor to price and which coin is the key to the series. The 1991 $25 MS Gold still remains, hands down, the key to the $25 Gold Eagle series with its 24,000 pop, while the 18,000 or 19,000 pop 2006-W $25 Gold continues to sell for around 1/2 the price to this day (not that much over the price common $25's trade at).
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WC, you, more than most would know demand and true current market value.
I would add one thing, if current buyers really understood what was going to end up having the most future value of the current mint offerings, they would have been plowing into proof plats imho, of course the proofs just sat there while many jumped on the plat uncs and Buffalos. In other words most people don't have a clue when it comes to future rarity and only discover that AFTER the fact not before. So, just because no one will make the trade for the 2006s for the 2008s, right now, that has little predictive value in the future, imho.
For the UNCs to win, they have to come under 2006W numbers (UNC).
I agree that it isn't proofs versus uncirculateds, but I don't agree that 2008s have to "beat" 2006 to win.
Elimination of the program means we don't need to focus as much on which has the lowest numbers. Generally speaking, lowest numbers are certainly important to establish kings.
But I think this changes as mintages descrease... If you're talking Sac dollars, with millions of coins minted, the lowest mintage coin (which might be 1.8M for regular issue) or lowest surviving pop is critical; everything else is written off as common. That's probably true down to the tens of thousands of coins as well. But the uncirculated platinums are sub 5,000 coins. Sure, having the lowest mintage distinguishes one year from the other, and the lowest mintage year will command a premium over the other years. But at under 5,000, I think they are all winners.
2008 doesn't NEED to come in under 2006 to be worth more than melt or more than issue price; even at the current sales numbers, a premium is justified. The only thing that is at issue is how big the premium will be. The market for 2006w uncs has deflated somewhat, the driving force at this point is not the number of coins but the number of collectors. Demand is far more important than supply right now, because whether we're talking 2,000 or 4,000, the supply is very low by modern standards.
<< <i>Update - No one accepted my proposed trade of my 2008-W MS70 set plus $1,000 for their 2006-W MS70 set. The true barameter for which set is "king" - no?
And, remember lowest pop is not always the determining factor to price and which coin is the key to the series. The 1991 $25 MS Gold still remains, hands down, the key to the $25 Gold Eagle series with its 24,000 pop, while the 18,000 or 19,000 pop 2006-W $25 Gold continues to sell for around 1/2 the price to this day (not that much over the price common $25's trade at).
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WC, you, more than most would know demand and true current market value.
I would add one thing, if current buyers really understood what was going to end up having the most future value of the current mint offerings, they would have been plowing into proof plats imho, of course the proofs just sat there while many jumped on the plat uncs and Buffalos. In other words most people don't have a clue when it comes to future rarity and only discover that AFTER the fact not before. So, just because no one will make the trade for the 2006s for the 2008s, right now, that has little predictive value in the future, imho. >>
Bluelobster-
I agree Re: the future value of the proof plats 100%. However, the thought right up until they went dark was that they minted a full run, upto the limit. In fact, much earlier in this thread I inquired as to folk's thoughts on the plats, and this was the consistent reply. Then, they suddenly went dark and it was apparent that they were short struck (of course, I was out of town when they did :-(, which figures). So, the window to aquire the proofs once it was clear that they were short struck was short. Plowing $ into them before this was to plough $ into proofs that were thought to be struck to the limit.
<<I agree Re: the future value of the proof plats 100%. However, the thought right up until they went dark was that they minted a full run, upto the limit. In fact, much earlier in this thread I inquired as to folk's thoughts on the plats, and this was the consistent reply. Then, they suddenly went dark and it was apparent that they were short struck (of course, I was out of town when they did :-(, which figures). So, the window to aquire the proofs once it was clear that they were short struck was short. Plowing $ into them before this was to plough $ into proofs that were thought to be struck to the limit. >>
However, I suspect that we still don't know the true extent of the mania/frenzy that erupted the day/night practically everything went dark...when we all pulled out our platinum (no pun intended) credit cards and charged up San Juan Hill!!!
You do realize, of course, that when we began to realize that the proofs might be short struck, we acted very similar to that old Eddie Murphy movie when the two old guys try to ruin Dan Ackroyd...and then they themselves get shafted in the stock market...
SELL...SELL...
NO...NO...YOU FOOL...BUY...BUY!!!
Personally, I know I'd jump in someone grave right now to pick up a plat proof set!
<< <i>You do realize, of course, that when we began to realize that the proofs might be short struck, we acted very similar to that old Eddie Murphy movie when the two old guys try to ruin Dan Ackroyd...and then they themselves get shafted in the stock market...
SELL...SELL...
NO...NO...YOU FOOL...BUY...BUY!!!
Personally, I know I'd jump in someone grave right now to pick up a plat proof set! >>
Not the stock market, they were trading orange juice futures.
But you should know that market makers often short the stocks that they want to buy.
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And, by the way, nothing I commented on should be read as a negative towards 2008-W MS Plats. With platinum at $908/oz., the set melts at $1,679.80 at this moment. Yet, the set is worth more than the US Mint issue price - no question.
My comments were only directed at the discussion of 06-W vs. 08-W sets and coins. The 06-W coins appear to be in "strong hands" right now - folks in it for the "long run" and knowing exactly what they have. The 08-W MS coins are not yet in "strong hands" - many are owed by speculators with sizeable credit card bills (or folks content with taking a nice profit for 60 days "work" and pulling funds together for the next US Mint product deal) - hence, accounting for some of the weakness in price. I personally like the future of BOTH products. But, IMHO, it will take a very, very long time for 06-W to be dethroned as the "king" of burnished plats.
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I agree that it isn't proofs versus uncirculateds, but I don't agree that 2008s have to "beat" 2006 to win.
That's not how the comment was intended. The comment was in response to a lowest mintage comparison comment made earlier. The comment was not meant as which coin will be the new king but which coin they need to come under to have the lowest mintage in its class. In other words by "win" I meant lowest mintage and not new king.
In my book, the UNCs will be a highly sought after sub-series in the future as their mintages are very low for every single year they were minted.
>>The 1991 $25 MS Gold still remains, hands down, the key to the $25 Gold Eagle series with its 24,000 pop, while the 18,000 or 19,000 pop 2006-W $25 Gold continues to sell for around 1/2 the price to this day (not that much over the price common $25's trade at).<<
My theory is that many of the 1991 $25 MS gold coins reside in bullion accumulations, and the owners have no idea that they are sitting on a premium date. This leaves fewer available in the collector/speculator marketplace. By contrast, *all* of the 2006-W were sold to collectors/speculators at a premium over spot, none were sold as bullion. So their owners all know *exactly* what they have.
In your experience, when it comes to modern coinage, which generally has more of a collector demand, MS or PR coins?
It seems the mint can sell more PR coins than MS. So, this would leave the MS coins with a less population but it could also indicate the MS coins have a smaller collectors base. Would you rather have a MS coin that has a 10% less mintage than a PR or a PR coin that has twice the number of collectors than the MS coin?
To this point, the Proof Platinum has enjoyed a much wider collector base, which is why I am comfortable to this day paying in the $4,000's for a fresh 2004 Proof platinum set with a roughly 5,000 mintage, while platinum burnished sets with a mintage of roughly 50% that amount are still trading for far less than that amount. So, I guess this answers your hypothetical question involving a 10% mintage difference.
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It looks like sales were very slow last week, no wonder no more options went backorder. Also I see the 1/2 ounce gold eagle proof jumped over 5000? Stick a fork in those.
Anyway not much to argue about after this, 2008 w proof plats are king and 2006 w unc plats are still king. Seems like the numbers are stabilized. Once they cancel the last backorders which are out then those should be dropping a little in the end but not enough to change things drastically perhaps.
Over at Mint News Blog, Michael compiled the current price performance for various 2008 US Mint products. Interesting that the best performer so far is the proof silver eagle, followed by the state quarter proof set.
1. Anyone have anything to say about that 1/2 ounce proof plat...is that a record low for a modern issue?
2. Just because the numbers haven't shifted much on previously sold-out items in what I believe has already been confirmed as a sales report doesn't mean that we're seeing final mintages here. To me, comparing a sales report to a mintage tally is like comparing sales vs revenues in a company...possibly (likely?) apples and oranges.
Right but those coins are very common in their sets. When the people looking for this years coin to give to relatives coins moves on to 2009 the 2008 silver eagles and proof sets that are not strong IN THEIR OWN SERIES will drop back and not recover their relative price strength in set.
People who work with numbers knows that it take a long time to finalize things.
Sale numbers are ofter double or triple counted or not counted at all or a certain number is added or subtracted here or there.
As for returns, people don't want it process as it decrease sales. Returns could have been received and credit issued to the customer but the paper work could sit for months without being reflected in Sales.
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<<Sale numbers are ofter double or triple counted or not counted at all or a certain number is added or subtracted here or there.>>
I'm also beginning to suspect that sales figures are divorced from the "reality" of mintages here. I also have to ask this...if the Mint wants to treat mintage numbers as so hush hush...then why are they putting out any numbers at all...sales or otherwise?!? Other than serving as a rough gage of "what's selling and what's not" it really doesn't serve much purpose.
Here's another question...looking back at prior years...how did late December numbers (as indicated in this weekly report) actually stack up to final mintages after the smoke cleared? How much were the numbers ultimately "corrected/adjusted" in the final analysis?
Models VERY VERY WELL: The fractional proof plats model SO nicely they have a good shot at greatness & they have a set to drive them. The fractional proof gold buffalos. The $50 W gold buffalo. Its the lowest mintage one oz gold coin issued since 1933 & has a .65 million and growing member set to drive it. The $10 W gold buffalo. 10,649 coins is small for a coin like this.
Models VERY Well: $100 Proof Plats $50 Proof Buffs $5 W gold buffalo
Models Well: All Unc W Plats $25 Unc W buffalo 888 set is a problem W silver eagle
Models Fair: $25 Unc W gold eagle -the 888 set is a problem. $50 Proof Gold Eagles, over the 2001 and the 2001 has had 7 years to do just about nothing! $25 Proof gold Eagles, 20,000 may be ok but the next closest coin has a 23,000 mintage and did not spike after 7 years. The only thing that can drive it is a dealer promotion. The math is not that great in this price range.
Unkown: $5 and $10 Proof Gold Eagles All Gold eagle W coins except the half.
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This is a mint state listing of almost everything that fits the above description for the last 200 years. Some material does not have good numbers yet so they have not been added yet.
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1 …. 100 …. 1839 Liberty Seated Half Drapery-No Drapery 2 …. 100 …. 1821-1827 Capped $2.5 Gold Large 3 …. 250 …. 1829- 1834 Capped $2.5 Gold Small 4 …. 300 …. 1829-1834 Capped Head $5 Gold Small 5 …. 400 …. 1907 Indian $10 Gold with Periods & no Motto 6 …. 483 …. 1915s Panama-Pacific $50 Gold Round 7 …. 645 …. 1915s Panama-Pacific $50 Gold-Octagonal 8 …. 650 …. 1808-1814Classic Head Cent 9 …. 850 …. 1838-1840 Liberty Seated Quarter No Drappery 10 …. 900 …. 1837-1838 Liberty Seated Dime No Stars 11 …. 1,500 …. 1838-1839 Capped Bust Half 12 …. 1,500 …. 1813-1829 Capped Head $5 Gold Large 13 …. 1,800 …. 1854-1855 Liberty Seated Half Arrows 14 …. 2,000 …. 1838-1840 Liberty Seated Dime No Drappery with Stars 15 …. 2,000 …. 1836-1837 Capped Bust Half Reeded Edge 16 …. 2,100 …. 1853 Liberty Seated Half Arrows & Rays 17 …. 2,200 …. 1838-1866 Liberty Head $10 Gold 18 …. 2,300 …. 1873-1874 Liberty Seated Half with Arrows 19 …. 2,500 …. 1836-1839 Matron Head Cent 20 …. 2,500 …. 1815-1828 Capped Bust Quarter-Large 21 …. 2,500 …. 1854-1855 Liberty Seated Quarter Arrows 22 …. 2,500 …. 1873-1874 Liberty Seated Quarter Arrows 23 …. 2,500 …. 1807-1812 Capped Bust $5 Gold 24 …. 2,500 …. 1834-1838 Classic Head $5 Gold 25 …. 2,577 …. 2006-W $50 Mint State Platinum Eagle-Legislative 26 …. 2,676 …. 2006-W $25 Mint State Platinum Eagle-Legislative 27 …. 2,750 …. 1837-1838 Liberty Seated Half Dime 28 …. 2,750 …. 1873-1874 Liberty Seated Dime Arrows 29 …. 3,000 …. 1834-1839 Classic Head $2.5 Gold 30 …. 3,068 …. 2006-W $100 Mint State Platinum Eagle-Legislative 31 …. 3,250 …. 1838-1840 Liberty Seated Half Dime with Stars 32 …. 3,500 …. 1853 Liberty Seated Quarter Arrows & Rays 33 …. 3,500 …. 1866-1873 Liberty Seated With Motto 34 …. 3,544 …. 2006-W $10 Mint State Platinum Eagle-Legislative 35 …. 3,635 …. 2007-W $50 Mint State Platinum Eagle-Executive 36 …. 3,690 …. 2007-W $25 Mint State Platinum Eagle-Executive 37 …. 4,000 …. 1854-1858 Three Cent Silver 3.O. 38 …. 4,000 …. 1809-1828 Capped Bust Dime Open Collar 39 …. 4,000 …. 1840-1860 Liberty Seated Dime Drapery & Stars 40 …. 4,177 …. 2007-W $100 Mint State Platinum Eagle-Executive 41 …. 4,500 …. 1907 High Relief Saint $20 Gold 42 …. 5,000 …. 1853-1855 Liberty Seated Half Dime -Arrows 43 …. 5,202 …. 1997 Jackie Robinson $5 Gold 44 …. 5,250 …. 1831-1838 Capped Bust Quarter-Small 45 …. 5,556 …. 2007-W $10 Mint State Platinum Eagle-Executive 46 …. 6,500 …. 1809-1836 Classic Head Half Cent 47 …. 6,500 …. 1839-1866 Liberty Head $5 Gold 48 …. 6,683 …. 2000 Library Of Congress Bimetalic $10 49 …. 6,749 …. 1915s Panama-Pacific $2.5 Gold 50 …. 6,761 …. 2001 Capital Visitor Center $5 Gold 51 …. 7,500 …. 1840-1857 Braided Hair Half Cent 52 …. 7,500 …. 1859 Indian Cent Laurel 53 …. 7,500 …. 1875-1878 Twenty Cent Piece 54 …. 7,500 …. 1854-1856 Indian Princess Gold Dollar Small Head 55 …. 8,000 …. 1850-1866 Liberty Head $20 Gold Type I 56 …. 9,068 …. 1996 Smithsonian $5 Gold 57 …. 9,174 …. 1996 Flag Bearer $5 Gold 58 …. 9,210 …. 1996 Cauldron $5 Gold 59 …. 9,958 …. 1928 Hawaiian Half 60 …. 10,000 …. 1866-1867 Shield Nickel Rays 61 …. 10,008 …. 1935 Hudson Half 62 …. 10,008 …. 1935 Old Spanish Trail Half 63 …. 10,016 …. 1922 Grant Gold Dollar 64 …. 10,129 …. 2003 First Flight $10 Gold 65 …. 10,579 …. 1995 Stadium $5 Gold 66 …. 10,585 …. 2002 Salt Lake City $5 Gold 67 …. 10,600 ... 2008 W $10 Gold Buffalo 68 …. 11,000 …. 1866-1876 Liberty Head $20 Gold Type II 69 …. 11,894 …. 1997 Roosevelt $5 Gold 70 …. 12,000 …. 1840-1859 Liberty Seated Half Dime, Drapery & Stars 71 …. 12,000 …. 1928-1837 Capped Bust Dime Closed Collar 72 …. 12,500 …. 1816-1836 Matron Head Cent 73 …. 12,500 …. 1856-1858 Flying Eagle Cent 74 …. 12,500 …. 1859-1873 Three Cent Silver 2 O 75 …. 12,500 …. 1840-1865 Liberty Seated Quarter Drappery no Motto 76 …. 12,500 …. 1840-1865 Liberty Seated Dollar no Motto 77 …. 12,735 …. 1995 Civil War $5 Gold 78 …. 14,000 …. 1860-1855 Liberty Seated Half Dime-Legend 79 …. 14,497 …. 1996 Wheelchair Dollar 80 …. 14,675 …. 1995 Torch Runner $5 Gold 81 …. 14,994 …. 1925 Fort Vancouver Half 82 …. 15,000 …. 1829-1837 Capped Bust Half Dime 83 …. 15,000 …. 1839-1866 Liberty Seated Half Drapery, No Motto 84 …. 15,000 …. 1915s Panama-Pacific $1 Gold 85 …. 15,016 …. 1936 Cincinnati Music Center Half 86 …. 15,266 …. 1938 New Rochelle Half 87 …. 15,697 …. 1996 High Jump Dollar 88 …. 15,983 …. 1996 Tennis Dollar 89 …. 16,258 …. 1996 Rowing Dollar 90 …. 16,936 …. 1936 Norfolk Half 91 …. 17,500 …. 1903 Lousiana Purchase Jefferson $1 gold 92 …. 17,500 …. 1903 Lousiana Purchase McKinnley $1 Gold 93 …. 17,671 …. 1936 Albany Half 94 …. 18,000 …. 1866-1891 Liberty Seated Quarter with Motto 95 …. 18,028 …. 1937 Antietam Half 96 …. 19,000 .... 2008 W $5 Gold Buffalo 97 …. 19,662 …. 1995 Cycling Dollar 98 …. 20,000 …. 1865-1889 Three Cent Nickel 99 …. 20,000 …. 1866-1891 Liberty Seated Half with Motto 100 …. 20,000 …. 1873-1885 Trade Dollar 101 …. 20,000 …. 1916-17 McKinley $1 Gold 102 …. 20,013 …. 1936 Lynchberg Virginia Half 103 …. 20,015 …. 1936 Illinois Half 104 …. 20,066 …. 1904-05 Lewis & Clark $1 Gold 105 …. 20,428 …. 1921 Missouri Half 106 …. 20,993 …. 1936 Delaware Half 107 …. 22,266 …. 1993 James Madison $5 Gold 108 …. 22,464 …. 1994 World Cup $5 Gold 109 …. 22,511 …. 1997 Washington $5 Gold 110 …. 23,089 …. 1993 WWII $5 Gold 111 …. 23,468 …. 1996 Community Service Dollar 112 …. 23,614 …. 1999 Yellowstone Dollar 113 …. 24,214 …. 1893 Isabella Quarter 114 …. 24,329 …. 1992 Columbus $5 Gold 115 …. 24,976 …. 1995 Track and Field Dollar 116 …. 25,000 …. 1860-1864 Indian Cent CN 117 …. 25,000 …. 1851-1873 Three Cent Silver N.O. 118 …. 25,015 …. 1934 Maryland Half 119 …. 25,015 …. 1936 Wisconsin Half 120 …. 25,015 …. 1936 York County Half 121 …. 25,015 …. 1936 Bridgeport Half 122 …. 25,018 …. 1935 Connecticut Half 123 …. 25,023 …. 1936 Columbia Half 124 …. 25,265 …. 1936 Arkansas Robinson Half 125 …. 26,928 …. 1936 Gettysburg Half 126 …. 27,134 …. 1915s Panama-Pacific Half 127 …. 27,500 …. 1864-1873 Two Cent Piece 128 …. 27,732 …. 1992 Olympics $5 Gold 129 …. 28,142 …. 1927 Veront Half 130 …. 28,150 …. 2000 Leif Ericson Dollar 131 …. 28,649 …. 1995 Paralympics Dollar 132 …. 29,030 …. 1936 Roanoke Half 133 …. 30,000 …. 1839-1857 Braided Hair Cent 134 …. 30,000 …. 1921 Peace Dollar High Relief 135 …. 30,000 …. 1854-1889 Indian Head $3 Gold 136 …. 30,000 …. 1907 Indian $10 Gold no Periods & no Motto 137 …. 30,007 …. 1997 Law Enforcement Dollar 138 …. 30,180 …. 1997 Jackie Robinson Dollar 139 …. 31,320 …. 1996 Smithsonian Dollar 140 …. 31,959 …. 1991 Mount Rushmore $5 Gold 141 …. 32,000 …. 1892-1915 Barber Half 142 …. 32,000 …. 1856-1889 Indian Princess Gold Dollars Large Head 143 …. 35,380 …. 2001 Visitor Center Dollar 144 …. 36,026 …. 1900 Lafayette Dollar 145 …. 37,210 …. 1998 Black Patriots Dollar 146 …. 37,500 …. 1849-1854 Liberty Head Gold Dollar 147 …. 40,257 …. 2002 Salt Lake City Dollar 148 …. 42,497 …. 1995 Gymnastics Dollar 149 …. 42,500 …. 1860-1891 Liberty Seated Dime Legend 150 …. 45,866 …. 1995 Civil War Dollar 151 …. 46,019 …. 1926 American Independence $2.5 Gold 152 …. 46,899 …. 1989 Congress $5 Gold 153 …. 48,000 …. 1916-1917 Standing Liberty Quarter Type I 154 …. 48,953 …. 2005 John Marshall Siver Dollar 155 …. 49,533 …. 1996 Swimming Half 156 …. 50,028 …. 1920 Maine Half 157 …. 50,030 …. 1936 Cleveland Half 158 …. 50,034 …. 1936 Providence Half 159 …. 52,771 …. 2000 Library Of Congress Dollar 160 …. 52,836 …. 1996 Soccer Half 161 …. 53,054 …. 1994 Women in Military Service Dollar 162 …. 53,761 …. 2003 First Flight Dollar 163 …. 54,790 …. 1994 POW Dollar 164 …. 57,272 …. 1997 Botanic Garden Dollar 165 …. 57,317 …. 1994 Vietnam Dollar 166 …. 57,726 …. 2003 First Flight Half 167 …. 58,000 …. 2006 Benjamin Franklin Dollar-Scientist 168 …. 58,000 …. 2006 Benjamin Franklin Dollar-Founding Father 169 …. 62,000 …. 1807-1836 Capped Bust Half-Lettered Edge 170 …. 62,913 …. 1988 Olympics $5 Gold 171 …. 65,044 …. 1921Alabama Half 172 …. 68,031 …. 2004 Thomas Edison Dollar 173 …. 68,352 …. 1994 Capital Dollar 174 …. 71,424 …. 1936 Oakland Bay Bridge Half 175 …. 71,661 …. 1922 Grant Half 176 …. 75,000 …. 1992-1916 Barber Quarter 177 …. 75,301 …. 1935-1939 Arkansas Half 178 …. 75,886 …. 1984 Los Angeles $10 Gold 179 …. 81,524 …. 1994 World Cup Dollar 180 …. 81,826 …. 1936 Long Island Half 181 …. 85,000 …. 1892-1916 Barber Dime 182 …. 86,394 …. 1925 California Diamond Half 183 …. 87,187 …. 1934-38 Boone Half 184 …. 88,000 …. 1867-1883 Shield Nickel No Rays 185 …. 89,104 …. 1999 Dolley Madison Dollar 186 …. 89,301 …. 1995 Special Olympics Dollar 187 …. 90,323 …. 2004 Lewis and Clark Dollar 188 …. 94,708 …. 1993 WWII Dollar 189 …. 95,248 …. 1986 Statue of Liberty $5 Gold 190 …. 98,383 …. 1993 Bill of Rights Dollar 191 …. 99,157 …. 2001 Capital Visitor Center Half 192 …. 100,057 …. 1946 Iowa Half 193 …. 100,058 …. 1918 Illinois Half 194 …. 100,224 …. 1935s-1936d California Pacific Half 195 …. 103,201 …. 2002 West Point Dollar 196 …. 106,422 …. 1998 Robert Kennedy Dollar 197 …. 106,949 …. 1992 Columbus Dollar 198 …. 119,520 …. 1995 Civil War Half 199 …. 123,803 …. 1992 White House Dollar 200 …. 124,958 …. 1991 USO Dollar 201 …. 130,000 …. 2005 Marine Corps Dollar 202 …. 133,139 …. 1991 Mount Rushmore Dollar 203 …. 135,203 …. 1989 Congress Dollar 204 …. 135,702 …. 1992 Christopher Columbus Half 205 …. 140,000 …. 1908-1929 Indian $2.5 Gold 206 …. 141,120 …. 1926 American Independence Half 207 …. 142,080 …. 1924 Huguenot-Wallon Half 208 …. 149,661 …. 1934-1938 Texas Independence Half 209 …. 150,000 …. 1864-1909 Indian Cent Bronce 210 …. 150,000 …. 1849-1907 Liberty Head $2.5 Gold 211 …. 161,607 …. 1992 XXV Olympiad Half 212 …. 162,013 …. 1925 Lexington-Concord Half 213 …. 163,753 …. 1989 Congress Half 214 …. 164,605 …. 1995 Base Ball Half 215 …. 168,208 …. 1994 World Cup Half 216 …. 171,001 …. 1995 Basket Ball Half 217 …. 172,165 …. 1920-1921 Pilgrim Half 218 …. 172,754 …. 1991 Mount Rushmore half 219 …. 173,224 …. 1993 Bill of Rights Half 220 …. 187,552 …. 1992 XXV Olympiad Dollar 221 …. 190,000 …. 1883 V Nickel No Cents 222 …. 191,368 …. 1988 Olympiad Dollar 223 …. 192,968 …. 1993 WWII Half 224 …. 200,000 …. 1913 Buffalo Nickel Raised Mound 225 …. 200,000 …. 1917-1930 Standing Liberty Quarter Type II 226 …. 203,101 …. 1926-1939 Oregon Trail Half 227 …. 213,049 …. 1991 Korean War Dollar 228 …. 214,225 …. 1987 Constitution $5 Gold 229 …. 227,131 …. 2001 American Buffalo Dollar 230 …. 241,669 …. 1990 Eisenhower Dollar 231 …. 266,927 …. 1993 Jefferson Silver Dollar 232 …. 274,077 …. 1923 Monroe Doctrine Half 233 …. 300,000 …. 1908-1929 Indian $5 Gold 234 …. 325,000 …. 1908-1933 Indian $10 Gold 235 …. 325,000 …. 1907-1908 Saint $20 No Motto 236 …. 452,304 …. 1984PD&S Olympic Dollar 237 …. 500,000 …. 1877-1907 Liberty Head $20 Gold Type III 238 …. 642,571 …. 1983-1984 Los Angeles Dollar 239 …. 650,000 …. 1883-1913 V Nickel 240 …. 650,000 2006-2009 $50 Gold Buffalo 241 …. 723,635 …. 1986 Statue of Liberty Dollar 242 …. 723,635 …. 1987 Constitution Dollar 243 …. 928,008 …. 1986 Statue of Liberty Half 244 …. 1,000,000 …. 1866-1908 Liberty Head $5 Gold with Motto …. millions …. 1909-1958 Lincoln Cent All forms …. millions …. 1913-1938 Buffalo Nickel Flat …. millions …. 1938-2003 Jefferson Nickel …. millions …. 1942-1945 Jefferson Nickel-silver …. millions …. 1916-1945 Mercury Dime …. millions …. 1946-1964 Roosevelt Dime …. millions …. 1932-1964 Washington Quarters …. millions …. 1916-1947 Walking Liberty Half …. millions …. 1948-1963 Franklin Half …. millions …. 1878 -1921 Morgan Dollar …. millions …. 1922-1935 Peace Dollar …. millions …. 1866-1907 Liberty Head $10 Gold with Motto …. millions …. 1908-1933 Saint $20 with Motto …. millions …. 1892 Columbian Half millions …. 1925 Stone Mountain Half millions …. 1946-1951 Booker T Washington Half millions …. 1951-1954 Carver/Washington Half
And by the way the pops shown for the classics prior to 1900 are estimated surviving MS60+ populations and do not inlude material thats still around in AU-58 or lower grades.
Excellent type collecting data Eric. Some of these #'s are "eye opening" for example I didn't realize that there were so many (4500) High Relief Saints. Does make one wonder where some of these newer coins might end up, many years from now.
Of course, as was pointed out last week I believe by nycouncel, once again the 08 w plat UNC numbers are completely unchanged indicating that they have received no attention, no updates at all.
As nycouncel pointed out, if they at least showed some change they would be more meaningful as an indicator of the actual numbers shipped.
I need to correct the 1907 High Relief Saints number from Erics excellent list ... the mintage was not 4500 pieces, but rather 11,250 pieces struck ...
Thanks for all the great info, Eric. Love the list and the "modeling" thoughts. I notice you didn't include the '08 plats on your list. They're going to bump quite a few on down.
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No.
This is not a Proof vs UNC competition. The proofs don't have to be under the UNCs to win anything.
For the proofs to win, they have to come under 2004 numbers (Proof).
For the UNCs to win, they have to come under 2006W numbers (UNC).
They are hoping they will stay below 2004 plat. proof numbers.
Value of a coin is product of mintage and demand.
The 2008 plat proofs may have a higher value than similar 2008 uncs. even if mintages are higher in proofs than uncs.
Why?
Because the collector base for proofs is broader and more established than for the uncs.
And, remember lowest pop is not always the determining factor to price and which coin is the key to the series. The 1991 $25 MS Gold still remains, hands down, the key to the $25 Gold Eagle series with its 24,000 pop, while the 18,000 or 19,000 pop 2006-W $25 Gold continues to sell for around 1/2 the price to this day (not that much over the price common $25's trade at).
Wondercoin
Yes. This used to be a very good thread to share information and research with others. It still is a nice thread and we have very good input from many posters. Some have very strong convictions and have try to push it onto others by using insults and attacks that are uncalled for. If we could all share without insulting anybody maybe this thread could get back on course.
<< <i>You do realize that everyone who has their hopes pinned on the plat proofs are actually betting that LESS proofs were produced than Uncs, right?
No.
This is not a Proof vs UNC competition. The proofs don't have to be under the UNCs to win anything.
For the proofs to win, they have to come under 2004 numbers (Proof).
For the UNCs to win, they have to come under 2006W numbers (UNC). >>
Exactly!!
<< <i>Update - No one accepted my proposed trade of my 2008-W MS70 set plus $1,000 for their 2006-W MS70 set. The true barameter for which set is "king" - no?
And, remember lowest pop is not always the determining factor to price and which coin is the key to the series. The 1991 $25 MS Gold still remains, hands down, the key to the $25 Gold Eagle series with its 24,000 pop, while the 18,000 or 19,000 pop 2006-W $25 Gold continues to sell for around 1/2 the price to this day (not that much over the price common $25's trade at).
Wondercoin >>
WC, you, more than most would know demand and true current market value.
I would add one thing, if current buyers really understood what was going to end up having the most future value of the current mint offerings, they would have been plowing into proof plats imho, of course the proofs just sat there while many jumped on the plat uncs and Buffalos. In other words most people don't have a clue when it comes to future rarity and only discover that AFTER the fact not before. So, just because no one will make the trade for the 2006s for the 2008s, right now, that has little predictive value in the future, imho.
I agree that it isn't proofs versus uncirculateds, but I don't agree that 2008s have to "beat" 2006 to win.
Elimination of the program means we don't need to focus as much on which has the lowest numbers. Generally speaking, lowest numbers are certainly important to establish kings.
But I think this changes as mintages descrease... If you're talking Sac dollars, with millions of coins minted, the lowest mintage coin (which might be 1.8M for regular issue) or lowest surviving pop is critical; everything else is written off as common. That's probably true down to the tens of thousands of coins as well. But the uncirculated platinums are sub 5,000 coins. Sure, having the lowest mintage distinguishes one year from the other, and the lowest mintage year will command a premium over the other years. But at under 5,000, I think they are all winners.
2008 doesn't NEED to come in under 2006 to be worth more than melt or more than issue price; even at the current sales numbers, a premium is justified. The only thing that is at issue is how big the premium will be. The market for 2006w uncs has deflated somewhat, the driving force at this point is not the number of coins but the number of collectors. Demand is far more important than supply right now, because whether we're talking 2,000 or 4,000, the supply is very low by modern standards.
<< <i>
<< <i>Update - No one accepted my proposed trade of my 2008-W MS70 set plus $1,000 for their 2006-W MS70 set. The true barameter for which set is "king" - no?
And, remember lowest pop is not always the determining factor to price and which coin is the key to the series. The 1991 $25 MS Gold still remains, hands down, the key to the $25 Gold Eagle series with its 24,000 pop, while the 18,000 or 19,000 pop 2006-W $25 Gold continues to sell for around 1/2 the price to this day (not that much over the price common $25's trade at).
Wondercoin >>
WC, you, more than most would know demand and true current market value.
I would add one thing, if current buyers really understood what was going to end up having the most future value of the current mint offerings, they would have been plowing into proof plats imho, of course the proofs just sat there while many jumped on the plat uncs and Buffalos. In other words most people don't have a clue when it comes to future rarity and only discover that AFTER the fact not before. So, just because no one will make the trade for the 2006s for the 2008s, right now, that has little predictive value in the future, imho. >>
Bluelobster-
I agree Re: the future value of the proof plats 100%. However, the thought right up until they went dark was that they minted a full run, upto the limit. In fact, much earlier in this thread I inquired as to folk's thoughts on the plats, and this was the consistent reply. Then, they suddenly went dark and it was apparent that they were short struck (of course, I was out of town when they did :-(, which figures). So, the window to aquire the proofs once it was clear that they were short struck was short. Plowing $ into them before this was to plough $ into proofs that were thought to be struck to the limit.
However, I suspect that we still don't know the true extent of the mania/frenzy that erupted the day/night practically everything went dark...when we all pulled out our platinum (no pun intended) credit cards and charged up San Juan Hill!!!
SELL...SELL...
NO...NO...YOU FOOL...BUY...BUY!!!
Personally, I know I'd jump in someone grave right now to pick up a plat proof set!
<< <i>You do realize, of course, that when we began to realize that the proofs might be short struck, we acted very similar to that old Eddie Murphy movie when the two old guys try to ruin Dan Ackroyd...and then they themselves get shafted in the stock market...
SELL...SELL...
NO...NO...YOU FOOL...BUY...BUY!!!
Personally, I know I'd jump in someone grave right now to pick up a plat proof set! >>
Not the stock market, they were trading orange juice futures.
But you should know that market makers often short the stocks that they want to buy.
San Diego, CA
My comments were only directed at the discussion of 06-W vs. 08-W sets and coins. The 06-W coins appear to be in "strong hands" right now - folks in it for the "long run" and knowing exactly what they have. The 08-W MS coins are not yet in "strong hands" - many are owed by speculators with sizeable credit card bills (or folks content with taking a nice profit for 60 days "work" and pulling funds together for the next US Mint product deal) - hence, accounting for some of the weakness in price. I personally like the future of BOTH products. But, IMHO, it will take a very, very long time for 06-W to be dethroned as the "king" of burnished plats.
Wondercoin
<<Not the stock market, they were trading orange juice futures.>>
I just remembered, the movie was Trading Places, right?
That last scene with the old guy being carried out on a stretcher is hilarious!
That's not how the comment was intended. The comment was in response to a lowest mintage comparison comment made earlier. The comment was not meant as which coin will be the new king but which coin they need to come under to have the lowest mintage in its class. In other words by "win" I meant lowest mintage and not new king.
In my book, the UNCs will be a highly sought after sub-series in the future as their mintages are very low for every single year they were minted.
My theory is that many of the 1991 $25 MS gold coins reside in bullion accumulations, and the owners have no idea that they are sitting on a premium date. This leaves fewer available in the collector/speculator marketplace. By contrast, *all* of the 2006-W were sold to collectors/speculators at a premium over spot, none were sold as bullion. So their owners all know *exactly* what they have.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
In your experience, when it comes to modern coinage, which generally has more of a collector demand, MS or PR coins?
It seems the mint can sell more PR coins than MS. So, this would leave the MS coins with a less population but it could also indicate the MS coins have a smaller collectors base. Would you rather have a MS coin that has a 10% less mintage than a PR or a PR coin that has twice the number of collectors than the MS coin?
Wondercoin
These were understruck in numbers in the same manner as the 2008 W Proof Plats.
LISTED ORDER OF
1
.5
.25
.1
4 SET
PROOF GOLE EAGLES
16327
10887
6073
10897
9569
PROOF PLATINUM
2432
1056
1293
3052
2607
PROOF BUFFALOS
11659
4642
5971
11362
7931
UNC W GOLD
5727
1783
2911
7261
2346
UNC W PLATS
1926
1257
1778
2485
2158
UNC W BUFFS
3127
3297
4117
12644
6532
UNC W SILVER EAGLE
437661 +40,589
<< <i>WEEKLY SALES REPORT AS OF 12/29/2008
LISTED ORDER OF
1
.5
.25
.1
4 SET
PROOF GOLE EAGLES
16327
10887
6073
10897
9569
PROOF PLATINUM
2432
1056
1293
3052
2607
PROOF BUFFALOS
11659
4642
5971
11362
7931
UNC W GOLD
5727
1783
2911
7261
2346
UNC W PLATS
1926
1257
1778
2485
2158
UNC W BUFFS
3127
3297
4117
12644
6532
UNC W SILVER EAGLE
437661 +40,589 >>
Looks like plats are stable, minor changes to buffs and some big jumps in gold eagles.
Let the arguments begin...............
I knew it would happen.
Anyway not much to argue about after this, 2008 w proof plats are king and 2006 w unc plats are still king. Seems like the numbers are stabilized. Once they cancel the last backorders which are out then those should be dropping a little in the end but not enough to change things drastically perhaps.
No big surprises as far as I can tell. Maybe next year.
1. Anyone have anything to say about that 1/2 ounce proof plat...is that a record low for a modern issue?
2. Just because the numbers haven't shifted much on previously sold-out items in what I believe has already been confirmed as a sales report doesn't mean that we're seeing final mintages here. To me, comparing a sales report to a mintage tally is like comparing sales vs revenues in a company...possibly (likely?) apples and oranges.
<< <i>One question and 1 thought:
1. Anyone have anything to say about that 1/2 ounce proof plat...is that a record low for a modern issue?
. >>
Looks like the total is 3,663, so no, at least a couple of the '06 unc-w plats are under this one.
Sale numbers are ofter double or triple counted or not counted at all or a certain number is added or subtracted here or there.
As for returns, people don't want it process as it decrease sales. Returns could have been received and credit issued to the customer but the paper work could sit for months without being reflected in Sales.
San Diego, CA
I've gotten to where I look forward to your tuesday updates.
May still be some updates to come............again everyone remember to email your congressional offices.
<<Sale numbers are ofter double or triple counted or not counted at all or a certain number is added or subtracted here or there.>>
I'm also beginning to suspect that sales figures are divorced from the "reality" of mintages here. I also have to ask this...if the Mint wants to treat mintage numbers as so hush hush...then why are they putting out any numbers at all...sales or otherwise?!? Other than serving as a rough gage of "what's selling and what's not" it really doesn't serve much purpose.
Here's another question...looking back at prior years...how did late December numbers (as indicated in this weekly report) actually stack up to final mintages after the smoke cleared? How much were the numbers ultimately "corrected/adjusted" in the final analysis?
<< <i>Coinboy - Are you in agreement with Eric's figures for the proof 2008 gold? Wondercoin >>
Yes, I am!
Proof Sets are UNCHANGED at 9,569 from an authorized number of 35K.
These things are gonna be killers.
Models VERY VERY WELL:
The fractional proof plats model SO nicely they have a good shot at greatness & they have a set to drive them.
The fractional proof gold buffalos.
The $50 W gold buffalo. Its the lowest mintage one oz gold coin issued since 1933 & has a .65 million and growing member set to drive it.
The $10 W gold buffalo. 10,649 coins is small for a coin like this.
Models VERY Well:
$100 Proof Plats
$50 Proof Buffs
$5 W gold buffalo
Models Well:
All Unc W Plats
$25 Unc W buffalo 888 set is a problem
W silver eagle
Models Fair:
$25 Unc W gold eagle -the 888 set is a problem.
$50 Proof Gold Eagles, over the 2001 and the 2001 has had 7 years to do just about nothing!
$25 Proof gold Eagles, 20,000 may be ok but the next closest coin has a 23,000 mintage and did not spike after 7 years. The only thing that can drive it is a dealer promotion. The math is not that great in this price range.
Unkown:
$5 and $10 Proof Gold Eagles
All Gold eagle W coins except the half.
--The $50 unc-w: 2,577 mintage, 75% of the next $50, and 96% of the next lowest APE
--The $25 unc-w: 2,676 mintage, 69% of the next $25, and 99 coins more than the lowest APE
--The $50 proof: 3,663 mintage, 72% of the next lowest $50, and 94% of the next lowest proof
--or, another...
Who knows what the numbers are, we are all wrong, the chance of one of us is right is as good as winning the Mega Million.
I wish I know the real numbers from the banks and purchased PUT options on them
San Diego, CA
This is a mint state listing of almost everything that fits the above description for the last 200 years. Some material does not have good numbers yet so they have not been added yet.
We collect serious material!
Rough Draft of just one table I am working on for our new document.
1 …. 100 …. 1839 Liberty Seated Half Drapery-No Drapery
2 …. 100 …. 1821-1827 Capped $2.5 Gold Large
3 …. 250 …. 1829- 1834 Capped $2.5 Gold Small
4 …. 300 …. 1829-1834 Capped Head $5 Gold Small
5 …. 400 …. 1907 Indian $10 Gold with Periods & no Motto
6 …. 483 …. 1915s Panama-Pacific $50 Gold Round
7 …. 645 …. 1915s Panama-Pacific $50 Gold-Octagonal
8 …. 650 …. 1808-1814Classic Head Cent
9 …. 850 …. 1838-1840 Liberty Seated Quarter No Drappery
10 …. 900 …. 1837-1838 Liberty Seated Dime No Stars
11 …. 1,500 …. 1838-1839 Capped Bust Half
12 …. 1,500 …. 1813-1829 Capped Head $5 Gold Large
13 …. 1,800 …. 1854-1855 Liberty Seated Half Arrows
14 …. 2,000 …. 1838-1840 Liberty Seated Dime No Drappery with Stars
15 …. 2,000 …. 1836-1837 Capped Bust Half Reeded Edge
16 …. 2,100 …. 1853 Liberty Seated Half Arrows & Rays
17 …. 2,200 …. 1838-1866 Liberty Head $10 Gold
18 …. 2,300 …. 1873-1874 Liberty Seated Half with Arrows
19 …. 2,500 …. 1836-1839 Matron Head Cent
20 …. 2,500 …. 1815-1828 Capped Bust Quarter-Large
21 …. 2,500 …. 1854-1855 Liberty Seated Quarter Arrows
22 …. 2,500 …. 1873-1874 Liberty Seated Quarter Arrows
23 …. 2,500 …. 1807-1812 Capped Bust $5 Gold
24 …. 2,500 …. 1834-1838 Classic Head $5 Gold
25 …. 2,577 …. 2006-W $50 Mint State Platinum Eagle-Legislative
26 …. 2,676 …. 2006-W $25 Mint State Platinum Eagle-Legislative
27 …. 2,750 …. 1837-1838 Liberty Seated Half Dime
28 …. 2,750 …. 1873-1874 Liberty Seated Dime Arrows
29 …. 3,000 …. 1834-1839 Classic Head $2.5 Gold
30 …. 3,068 …. 2006-W $100 Mint State Platinum Eagle-Legislative
31 …. 3,250 …. 1838-1840 Liberty Seated Half Dime with Stars
32 …. 3,500 …. 1853 Liberty Seated Quarter Arrows & Rays
33 …. 3,500 …. 1866-1873 Liberty Seated With Motto
34 …. 3,544 …. 2006-W $10 Mint State Platinum Eagle-Legislative
35 …. 3,635 …. 2007-W $50 Mint State Platinum Eagle-Executive
36 …. 3,690 …. 2007-W $25 Mint State Platinum Eagle-Executive
37 …. 4,000 …. 1854-1858 Three Cent Silver 3.O.
38 …. 4,000 …. 1809-1828 Capped Bust Dime Open Collar
39 …. 4,000 …. 1840-1860 Liberty Seated Dime Drapery & Stars
40 …. 4,177 …. 2007-W $100 Mint State Platinum Eagle-Executive
41 …. 4,500 …. 1907 High Relief Saint $20 Gold
42 …. 5,000 …. 1853-1855 Liberty Seated Half Dime -Arrows
43 …. 5,202 …. 1997 Jackie Robinson $5 Gold
44 …. 5,250 …. 1831-1838 Capped Bust Quarter-Small
45 …. 5,556 …. 2007-W $10 Mint State Platinum Eagle-Executive
46 …. 6,500 …. 1809-1836 Classic Head Half Cent
47 …. 6,500 …. 1839-1866 Liberty Head $5 Gold
48 …. 6,683 …. 2000 Library Of Congress Bimetalic $10
49 …. 6,749 …. 1915s Panama-Pacific $2.5 Gold
50 …. 6,761 …. 2001 Capital Visitor Center $5 Gold
51 …. 7,500 …. 1840-1857 Braided Hair Half Cent
52 …. 7,500 …. 1859 Indian Cent Laurel
53 …. 7,500 …. 1875-1878 Twenty Cent Piece
54 …. 7,500 …. 1854-1856 Indian Princess Gold Dollar Small Head
55 …. 8,000 …. 1850-1866 Liberty Head $20 Gold Type I
56 …. 9,068 …. 1996 Smithsonian $5 Gold
57 …. 9,174 …. 1996 Flag Bearer $5 Gold
58 …. 9,210 …. 1996 Cauldron $5 Gold
59 …. 9,958 …. 1928 Hawaiian Half
60 …. 10,000 …. 1866-1867 Shield Nickel Rays
61 …. 10,008 …. 1935 Hudson Half
62 …. 10,008 …. 1935 Old Spanish Trail Half
63 …. 10,016 …. 1922 Grant Gold Dollar
64 …. 10,129 …. 2003 First Flight $10 Gold
65 …. 10,579 …. 1995 Stadium $5 Gold
66 …. 10,585 …. 2002 Salt Lake City $5 Gold
67 …. 10,600 ... 2008 W $10 Gold Buffalo
68 …. 11,000 …. 1866-1876 Liberty Head $20 Gold Type II
69 …. 11,894 …. 1997 Roosevelt $5 Gold
70 …. 12,000 …. 1840-1859 Liberty Seated Half Dime, Drapery & Stars
71 …. 12,000 …. 1928-1837 Capped Bust Dime Closed Collar
72 …. 12,500 …. 1816-1836 Matron Head Cent
73 …. 12,500 …. 1856-1858 Flying Eagle Cent
74 …. 12,500 …. 1859-1873 Three Cent Silver 2 O
75 …. 12,500 …. 1840-1865 Liberty Seated Quarter Drappery no Motto
76 …. 12,500 …. 1840-1865 Liberty Seated Dollar no Motto
77 …. 12,735 …. 1995 Civil War $5 Gold
78 …. 14,000 …. 1860-1855 Liberty Seated Half Dime-Legend
79 …. 14,497 …. 1996 Wheelchair Dollar
80 …. 14,675 …. 1995 Torch Runner $5 Gold
81 …. 14,994 …. 1925 Fort Vancouver Half
82 …. 15,000 …. 1829-1837 Capped Bust Half Dime
83 …. 15,000 …. 1839-1866 Liberty Seated Half Drapery, No Motto
84 …. 15,000 …. 1915s Panama-Pacific $1 Gold
85 …. 15,016 …. 1936 Cincinnati Music Center Half
86 …. 15,266 …. 1938 New Rochelle Half
87 …. 15,697 …. 1996 High Jump Dollar
88 …. 15,983 …. 1996 Tennis Dollar
89 …. 16,258 …. 1996 Rowing Dollar
90 …. 16,936 …. 1936 Norfolk Half
91 …. 17,500 …. 1903 Lousiana Purchase Jefferson $1 gold
92 …. 17,500 …. 1903 Lousiana Purchase McKinnley $1 Gold
93 …. 17,671 …. 1936 Albany Half
94 …. 18,000 …. 1866-1891 Liberty Seated Quarter with Motto
95 …. 18,028 …. 1937 Antietam Half
96 …. 19,000 .... 2008 W $5 Gold Buffalo
97 …. 19,662 …. 1995 Cycling Dollar
98 …. 20,000 …. 1865-1889 Three Cent Nickel
99 …. 20,000 …. 1866-1891 Liberty Seated Half with Motto
100 …. 20,000 …. 1873-1885 Trade Dollar
101 …. 20,000 …. 1916-17 McKinley $1 Gold
102 …. 20,013 …. 1936 Lynchberg Virginia Half
103 …. 20,015 …. 1936 Illinois Half
104 …. 20,066 …. 1904-05 Lewis & Clark $1 Gold
105 …. 20,428 …. 1921 Missouri Half
106 …. 20,993 …. 1936 Delaware Half
107 …. 22,266 …. 1993 James Madison $5 Gold
108 …. 22,464 …. 1994 World Cup $5 Gold
109 …. 22,511 …. 1997 Washington $5 Gold
110 …. 23,089 …. 1993 WWII $5 Gold
111 …. 23,468 …. 1996 Community Service Dollar
112 …. 23,614 …. 1999 Yellowstone Dollar
113 …. 24,214 …. 1893 Isabella Quarter
114 …. 24,329 …. 1992 Columbus $5 Gold
115 …. 24,976 …. 1995 Track and Field Dollar
116 …. 25,000 …. 1860-1864 Indian Cent CN
117 …. 25,000 …. 1851-1873 Three Cent Silver N.O.
118 …. 25,015 …. 1934 Maryland Half
119 …. 25,015 …. 1936 Wisconsin Half
120 …. 25,015 …. 1936 York County Half
121 …. 25,015 …. 1936 Bridgeport Half
122 …. 25,018 …. 1935 Connecticut Half
123 …. 25,023 …. 1936 Columbia Half
124 …. 25,265 …. 1936 Arkansas Robinson Half
125 …. 26,928 …. 1936 Gettysburg Half
126 …. 27,134 …. 1915s Panama-Pacific Half
127 …. 27,500 …. 1864-1873 Two Cent Piece
128 …. 27,732 …. 1992 Olympics $5 Gold
129 …. 28,142 …. 1927 Veront Half
130 …. 28,150 …. 2000 Leif Ericson Dollar
131 …. 28,649 …. 1995 Paralympics Dollar
132 …. 29,030 …. 1936 Roanoke Half
133 …. 30,000 …. 1839-1857 Braided Hair Cent
134 …. 30,000 …. 1921 Peace Dollar High Relief
135 …. 30,000 …. 1854-1889 Indian Head $3 Gold
136 …. 30,000 …. 1907 Indian $10 Gold no Periods & no Motto
137 …. 30,007 …. 1997 Law Enforcement Dollar
138 …. 30,180 …. 1997 Jackie Robinson Dollar
139 …. 31,320 …. 1996 Smithsonian Dollar
140 …. 31,959 …. 1991 Mount Rushmore $5 Gold
141 …. 32,000 …. 1892-1915 Barber Half
142 …. 32,000 …. 1856-1889 Indian Princess Gold Dollars Large Head
143 …. 35,380 …. 2001 Visitor Center Dollar
144 …. 36,026 …. 1900 Lafayette Dollar
145 …. 37,210 …. 1998 Black Patriots Dollar
146 …. 37,500 …. 1849-1854 Liberty Head Gold Dollar
147 …. 40,257 …. 2002 Salt Lake City Dollar
148 …. 42,497 …. 1995 Gymnastics Dollar
149 …. 42,500 …. 1860-1891 Liberty Seated Dime Legend
150 …. 45,866 …. 1995 Civil War Dollar
151 …. 46,019 …. 1926 American Independence $2.5 Gold
152 …. 46,899 …. 1989 Congress $5 Gold
153 …. 48,000 …. 1916-1917 Standing Liberty Quarter Type I
154 …. 48,953 …. 2005 John Marshall Siver Dollar
155 …. 49,533 …. 1996 Swimming Half
156 …. 50,028 …. 1920 Maine Half
157 …. 50,030 …. 1936 Cleveland Half
158 …. 50,034 …. 1936 Providence Half
159 …. 52,771 …. 2000 Library Of Congress Dollar
160 …. 52,836 …. 1996 Soccer Half
161 …. 53,054 …. 1994 Women in Military Service Dollar
162 …. 53,761 …. 2003 First Flight Dollar
163 …. 54,790 …. 1994 POW Dollar
164 …. 57,272 …. 1997 Botanic Garden Dollar
165 …. 57,317 …. 1994 Vietnam Dollar
166 …. 57,726 …. 2003 First Flight Half
167 …. 58,000 …. 2006 Benjamin Franklin Dollar-Scientist
168 …. 58,000 …. 2006 Benjamin Franklin Dollar-Founding Father
169 …. 62,000 …. 1807-1836 Capped Bust Half-Lettered Edge
170 …. 62,913 …. 1988 Olympics $5 Gold
171 …. 65,044 …. 1921Alabama Half
172 …. 68,031 …. 2004 Thomas Edison Dollar
173 …. 68,352 …. 1994 Capital Dollar
174 …. 71,424 …. 1936 Oakland Bay Bridge Half
175 …. 71,661 …. 1922 Grant Half
176 …. 75,000 …. 1992-1916 Barber Quarter
177 …. 75,301 …. 1935-1939 Arkansas Half
178 …. 75,886 …. 1984 Los Angeles $10 Gold
179 …. 81,524 …. 1994 World Cup Dollar
180 …. 81,826 …. 1936 Long Island Half
181 …. 85,000 …. 1892-1916 Barber Dime
182 …. 86,394 …. 1925 California Diamond Half
183 …. 87,187 …. 1934-38 Boone Half
184 …. 88,000 …. 1867-1883 Shield Nickel No Rays
185 …. 89,104 …. 1999 Dolley Madison Dollar
186 …. 89,301 …. 1995 Special Olympics Dollar
187 …. 90,323 …. 2004 Lewis and Clark Dollar
188 …. 94,708 …. 1993 WWII Dollar
189 …. 95,248 …. 1986 Statue of Liberty $5 Gold
190 …. 98,383 …. 1993 Bill of Rights Dollar
191 …. 99,157 …. 2001 Capital Visitor Center Half
192 …. 100,057 …. 1946 Iowa Half
193 …. 100,058 …. 1918 Illinois Half
194 …. 100,224 …. 1935s-1936d California Pacific Half
195 …. 103,201 …. 2002 West Point Dollar
196 …. 106,422 …. 1998 Robert Kennedy Dollar
197 …. 106,949 …. 1992 Columbus Dollar
198 …. 119,520 …. 1995 Civil War Half
199 …. 123,803 …. 1992 White House Dollar
200 …. 124,958 …. 1991 USO Dollar
201 …. 130,000 …. 2005 Marine Corps Dollar
202 …. 133,139 …. 1991 Mount Rushmore Dollar
203 …. 135,203 …. 1989 Congress Dollar
204 …. 135,702 …. 1992 Christopher Columbus Half
205 …. 140,000 …. 1908-1929 Indian $2.5 Gold
206 …. 141,120 …. 1926 American Independence Half
207 …. 142,080 …. 1924 Huguenot-Wallon Half
208 …. 149,661 …. 1934-1938 Texas Independence Half
209 …. 150,000 …. 1864-1909 Indian Cent Bronce
210 …. 150,000 …. 1849-1907 Liberty Head $2.5 Gold
211 …. 161,607 …. 1992 XXV Olympiad Half
212 …. 162,013 …. 1925 Lexington-Concord Half
213 …. 163,753 …. 1989 Congress Half
214 …. 164,605 …. 1995 Base Ball Half
215 …. 168,208 …. 1994 World Cup Half
216 …. 171,001 …. 1995 Basket Ball Half
217 …. 172,165 …. 1920-1921 Pilgrim Half
218 …. 172,754 …. 1991 Mount Rushmore half
219 …. 173,224 …. 1993 Bill of Rights Half
220 …. 187,552 …. 1992 XXV Olympiad Dollar
221 …. 190,000 …. 1883 V Nickel No Cents
222 …. 191,368 …. 1988 Olympiad Dollar
223 …. 192,968 …. 1993 WWII Half
224 …. 200,000 …. 1913 Buffalo Nickel Raised Mound
225 …. 200,000 …. 1917-1930 Standing Liberty Quarter Type II
226 …. 203,101 …. 1926-1939 Oregon Trail Half
227 …. 213,049 …. 1991 Korean War Dollar
228 …. 214,225 …. 1987 Constitution $5 Gold
229 …. 227,131 …. 2001 American Buffalo Dollar
230 …. 241,669 …. 1990 Eisenhower Dollar
231 …. 266,927 …. 1993 Jefferson Silver Dollar
232 …. 274,077 …. 1923 Monroe Doctrine Half
233 …. 300,000 …. 1908-1929 Indian $5 Gold
234 …. 325,000 …. 1908-1933 Indian $10 Gold
235 …. 325,000 …. 1907-1908 Saint $20 No Motto
236 …. 452,304 …. 1984PD&S Olympic Dollar
237 …. 500,000 …. 1877-1907 Liberty Head $20 Gold Type III
238 …. 642,571 …. 1983-1984 Los Angeles Dollar
239 …. 650,000 …. 1883-1913 V Nickel
240 …. 650,000 2006-2009 $50 Gold Buffalo
241 …. 723,635 …. 1986 Statue of Liberty Dollar
242 …. 723,635 …. 1987 Constitution Dollar
243 …. 928,008 …. 1986 Statue of Liberty Half
244 …. 1,000,000 …. 1866-1908 Liberty Head $5 Gold with Motto
…. millions …. 1909-1958 Lincoln Cent All forms
…. millions …. 1913-1938 Buffalo Nickel Flat
…. millions …. 1938-2003 Jefferson Nickel
…. millions …. 1942-1945 Jefferson Nickel-silver
…. millions …. 1916-1945 Mercury Dime
…. millions …. 1946-1964 Roosevelt Dime
…. millions …. 1932-1964 Washington Quarters
…. millions …. 1916-1947 Walking Liberty Half
…. millions …. 1948-1963 Franklin Half
…. millions …. 1878 -1921 Morgan Dollar
…. millions …. 1922-1935 Peace Dollar
…. millions …. 1866-1907 Liberty Head $10 Gold with Motto
…. millions …. 1908-1933 Saint $20 with Motto
…. millions …. 1892 Columbian Half
millions …. 1925 Stone Mountain Half
millions …. 1946-1951 Booker T Washington Half
millions …. 1951-1954 Carver/Washington Half
And by the way the pops shown for the classics prior to 1900 are estimated surviving MS60+ populations and do not inlude material thats still around in AU-58 or lower grades.
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--The $50 unc-w: 2,577 mintage, 75% of the next $50, and 96% of the next lowest APE
--The $25 unc-w: 2,676 mintage, 69% of the next $25, and 99 coins more than the lowest APE
--The $50 proof: 3,663 mintage, 72% of the next lowest $50, and 94% of the next lowest proof
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I agree that you can't really compare the proofs and uncs. I'd place both the $50 and $25 proofs as first in line for future greatness, though.
Nope, these numbers came directly from the US Mint to Eric Telephone.
Look for them tomorrow at COINNEWS.NET
Last Weeks Numbers
As nycouncel pointed out, if they at least showed some change they would be more meaningful as an indicator of the actual numbers shipped.
The suspense goes on...
the mintage was not 4500 pieces, but rather 11,250 pieces struck ...