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    WeekendHackerWeekendHacker Posts: 1,461 ✭✭✭
    Unbelievable, the Sox have some real bullpen issues. Foulke going on the DL actually helps!! It will give Hansen and DelCarmen a chance to show their stuff. I wouldn't mind seeing a little more out of Riske either. Timlin couldn't have come back any sooner, we missed him!!
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    ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Man, when I saw Tavarez (aka Freddie Kruger) come out, I had a feeling the game was lost even though the Sox was ahead by one. You know that gut wrenching feeling that hit the pit of your stomach last year whenever Foulke came out to close the game? Well, it was there again. This is what the Sox get for signing another reject from St Louis.

    On a positive note, that was quite a great pitching performance by Schilling, Papelbon, and Timlin. At least we know Timlin is REALLY back and it couldn't be soon enough.

    I'm going to tune out tonight's game. I can't bear to watch another Clemente (the headcase) shelling. >>



    Right now Clement is a box of chocolates -- you don't know what you are going to get. He had a quality start his last time out, so my hope is he has it together again, but we will see.
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    Brian48Brian48 Posts: 2,624 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Unbelievable, the Sox have some real bullpen issues. Foulke going on the DL actually helps!! It will give Hansen and DelCarmen a chance to show their stuff. I wouldn't mind seeing a little more out of Riske either. Timlin couldn't have come back any sooner, we missed him!! >>



    I would not trust Riske as far as I can spit. Sure, he had acceptable numbers last year, but everything I've read about him indicates that he is true to his name and folds under pressure even faster than Clemente. Thus far, nothing he has done seems to indicate that what I've read was false. I'd would only let him pitch mop up duty where the game is obviously lost or obviously won.
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    perkdogperkdog Posts: 33,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Those games you really got to win but it was good to see some quality pitching. The box of chocolates quote is absolutly the only way to describe Clement, I still regard him as a decent starter and hope he can turn it around. That was a nasty beat but Timlin is back and hopefully we can build on that.
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    What's the deal with this Clements guy? How the heck did you let the cursed Yankees back into 1st place after losing 4 games in a row recently?
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    perkdogperkdog Posts: 33,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is Clement rattled from being hit? Telling you its like Dr.Jekyl and Mr.Hyde.....
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    RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
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    ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>imageimage >>



    Well, fortunately, the Yankees are not doing much better, so there is some time to get the house in order!! They made a move for a pretty good lefty already. Don't count on a wild card from the AL east, though, unless the Tigers fold at the end of the year (which is possible, especially if I-Rod is on Grimsley's "list")
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    perkdogperkdog Posts: 33,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bottom line is we cannot expect anything to be different other than a battle with the evil empire throughout the rest of the summer. The only thing different is the Blue Jays are a serious threat to top the division.
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    softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The only thing different is the Blue Jays are a serious threat to top the division. >>



    Absolutley, and we all saw this as a possibility. The Blue Jays can certainly win this division outright and force the Yankees and Red Sox into a battle for second place. Should be fun image

    COPPER is gutter !

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    ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Finally, a quality pitching performance top to bottom!! image

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    perkdogperkdog Posts: 33,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Papelbon earing his 21 st save, I would love to see him lead the league. Freakin Yanks pulled out a win last night as well image
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    perkdogperkdog Posts: 33,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Getting six strong from Lester and finally having middle relief come in and do their job is nice to see as well.
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    perkdogperkdog Posts: 33,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Clement to DL (15 day) due to sore shoulder. Hopefully we can get him back on track, I think he still could be a solid option in the rotation. The young guns are going to have step up to keep pace with New York, Oh and the freakin Jay's as well........
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    perkdogperkdog Posts: 33,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Beckett back on track is nice to see.....
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    ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    A nice sweep of the Braves, good pitching all weekend and timely hitting (how about Lowell tonight with another double, this one a pinch hit two run double that breaks the game open). Ortiz hits another one out - looks like his "slump" is over.
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    WeekendHackerWeekendHacker Posts: 1,461 ✭✭✭
    Putting up a 6 spot in the eighth inning couldn't have come at a better time. Timlin looks a little rusty, although I'd like to see him get some rest; the bullpen is going to get its work in over the next 100 or so games.
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    perkdogperkdog Posts: 33,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Papelbon really impresses me, the kid really looks confident when called upon. Where would we be without him? 23 saves and he dont look like he will be slowing down anytime soon.
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    ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    Nice team effort last night, Kyle Snyder pitched a whole lot better than I expected him to, and the bullpen looked sharp (Timlin is back, thank goodness). Also nice to see Gabe Kapler back playing again, I watched him get hurt last year, and it looked awful.
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    ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Nice team effort last night, Kyle Snyder pitched a whole lot better than I expected him to, and the bullpen looked sharp (Timlin is back, thank goodness). Also nice to see Gabe Kapler back playing again, I watched him get hurt last year, and it looked awful. >>



    Yes, even Seanez did well -- I think Fancona realized the pitch he gave up the 3-run hr on Sunday was really not a bad pitch at all.

    Freddie K. is another story, and thankfully he stayed in the bullpen last night.
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    RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    WTF 11-3 red sox what the hell happened??
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    AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>WTF 11-3 red sox what the hell happened?? >>



    Looks like a crushing of the Nats, a team the Yanks had difficulties with. Only homer was by Crisp, and it was a solo shot.

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    RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    and I guess Livian hernandez started. Is he el duque??
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    perkdogperkdog Posts: 33,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
    11 runs and Manny and Papi account for 1 run between them, nice when you get production from the other guys. Nice comeback win for the Yanks, keeping pace in the NASTY Al East......
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    << <i>and I guess Livian hernandez started. Is he el duque?? >>


    No, "El Duque" currently pitches for the Chisox.
    Collecting;
    Mark Mulder rookies
    Chipper Jones rookies
    Orlando Cabrera rookies
    Lawrence Taylor
    Sam Huff
    Lavar Arrington
    NY Giants
    NY Yankees
    NJ Nets
    NJ Devils
    1950s-1960s Topps NY Giants Team cards

    Looking for Topps rookies as well.

    References:
    GregM13
    VintageJeff
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    softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Actually, the Duqster is a proud NY Met at this moment in time image

    COPPER is gutter !

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    Ah that's right, who am I thinking of?! Yeah he was with either Tampa or Arizona then got traded. lol
    Collecting;
    Mark Mulder rookies
    Chipper Jones rookies
    Orlando Cabrera rookies
    Lawrence Taylor
    Sam Huff
    Lavar Arrington
    NY Giants
    NY Yankees
    NJ Nets
    NJ Devils
    1950s-1960s Topps NY Giants Team cards

    Looking for Topps rookies as well.

    References:
    GregM13
    VintageJeff
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    softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭✭✭
    He WAS with the White Sox until about a month or so ago and was traded to the Mets for Jorge Julio

    COPPER is gutter !

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    Wow, I'm confused now. Maybe not at all, dang it long days at work!
    Collecting;
    Mark Mulder rookies
    Chipper Jones rookies
    Orlando Cabrera rookies
    Lawrence Taylor
    Sam Huff
    Lavar Arrington
    NY Giants
    NY Yankees
    NJ Nets
    NJ Devils
    1950s-1960s Topps NY Giants Team cards

    Looking for Topps rookies as well.

    References:
    GregM13
    VintageJeff
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    ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>11 runs and Manny and Papi account for 1 run between them, nice when you get production from the other guys. Nice comeback win for the Yanks, keeping pace in the NASTY Al East...... >>



    Youk's OBP is unbelievable!! And to think the clubhouse clown kept him on the bench last year.
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    ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    The whole team steps up, and bats around the Nationals pitching staff again - Wakefield is solid as usual. Crisp is slowly coming around, if you notice. He hasn't lit the world on fire since his return from the DL, but he'll be back atop the lineup before long if he keeps playing like he has the last few days.
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    ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    Great point about Youkilis vs. Millar - what took so long to make that move, anyway?
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    BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,525 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Great point about Youkilis vs. Millar - what took so long to make that move, anyway? >>


    I think Francona was driven by loyalty. Fortunately, he seems to be shaking his old ways of "loyalty first" and making some sound decisions in the spirit of "winning first." Case in point was his decision to ditch Foulke early in the season in favor of Papelbon. Same thing with putting Youk back at the top of the order...something he wouldn't have reconsidered in 2004 or 2005. Soon I hope he considers dropping Varitek in the order too -- although his loyalty to the team Captain will be tougher for him to shake off.
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    ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    Good points, Barndog - part of me hated to see Millar go, even though it was obvious that he was nowhere close to being the same hitter last year as he was in 2004. Same with Foulke not being the closer out of the gate, but I am glad Francona (or Theo?) is making the right baseball moves and keeping loyalty to the team in perspective.
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    BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,525 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I will be interested in seeing what they do in July with the trading deadline. They have a few prospects that can be had for a price, but everyone knows the Sox are going to be buyers and will shop their slop starting pitching. I would not expect Theo to be tempted by someone like Zito (for example) unless an extension could be agreed upon prior to the trade.

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    Red Sox just picked up Jason Johnson from the Indians for the starting staff.
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    ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Red Sox just picked up Jason Johnson from the Indians for the starting staff. >>



    Yup, it's looking like Wells is finished, and Clement may not be far behind.
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    ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    Can we get Bronson Arroyo back? (Never thought I would ever say those words...)
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    perkdogperkdog Posts: 33,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What to do with Arroyo if we got him back? Pitch him or DH him? Never knew he was a freakin HR hitter!
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    RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Can we get Bronson Arroyo back? (Never thought I would ever say those words...) >>



    didnt we get something (s) good in return tho'??

    Wait did we jsut get Wily mo I thought we had to have someone else, how about Lester tonight
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    ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭✭✭
    10 K's for Lester!! Yeah Baby!! image
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    ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    Great game by Lester, and it couldn't have come at a better time. I hope they keep him in the rotation the rest of the year.
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    BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,525 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Francona is pretty committed to testing his young pitchers this year. He has started to pitch them early in the season (I think) in preparation for a playoff run or actual playoffs. I see it as a different approach compared to last year when the young guys were brought up in preparation for next year. Francona knows that real help is not imminently incoming, so he is making the right choices with what he has on staff.
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    ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Francona is pretty committed to testing his young pitchers this year. He has started to pitch them early in the season (I think) in preparation for a playoff run or actual playoffs. I see it as a different approach compared to last year when the young guys were brought up in preparation for next year. Francona knows that real help is not imminently incoming, so he is making the right choices with what he has on staff. >>



    I think having Wells, Clement, and Foulke on the DL helped make that decision a little easier. image
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    perkdogperkdog Posts: 33,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
    UH........... YES, I have to agree
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    BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,525 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>having Wells, Clement, and Foulke on the DL >>


    I'm not at all disappointed with that! If none ever throws a pitch again in a Red Sox uniform, I wouldn't mind.
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    RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    When is pedro scehduled to pitch, it is supposed to rain all week but I would like to see him throw or get booed, or cheered image
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    ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    I thought I heard he is scheduled for the Wednesday night game, but the weather looks like it might mess up a lot of the next weeks games.
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    RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    yeah i am afraid of that
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    aro13aro13 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭
    Pedro Vs Beckett is the scheduled Wednesday match up.
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