<< <i> The Damon trade was not about this season, and you can't judge it until you see how he does over the next few seasons for the Yanks. I don't even think the Yanks see him as a 4 year CF, but they are the only team that can pay him $50+ million for a good season or two.
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Oh really? So, if johnny damon who is having a fine season sends your Red Sox packing personally THIS year it DOES NOT MATTER? Because the trade is not about THIS YEAR? Dude, how much Sox propaganda do you take in every day
<< <i> spammy, on one hand you complain about 'minutia', then want to rank in ground ball outs?
hahaha >>
spammy or no spammy it was a valid question. Jerry was the one who felt compelled to point out Wang's low strikeout total as if that number gave a good representation of how well he has pitched this year. You never see Jerry pointing out Josh Becketts 31 Home Runs given up when he is constantly telling us about how good he is .....
Wang might be the first post-World War II starting pitcher in history with a strikeout rate of less than 4.5 per nine to have a successful career. That would be something.
Nice to see the Sox get back on track. Wells looked sharp on Friday. A big comeback Saturday with great work by the bullpen and a nice offensive outburst today. I wonder if they will start Wells on Friday against the Yankees and go with Johnson on Thursday against the Tigers? Who are the Yankees going to be starting in the second game of the doubleheader on Friday?
<< <i>Big win for the Sox today, survived some rough pitching but great hitting by Lowell and Youkilis saved the day. Didn't need Papi either!
In other news, Wang gave up 13 hits today. They probably weren't ground balls though, so that's okay. >>
yep, his worst start all season .... figures you felt the need to think that this one start proves your theory. Its all good, I will make sure I remind you the next 15 home runs Beckett gives up
You won't need to remind me - I just watched him tonight. Not good - one bad inning, then one great inning, then another bad inning...no consistency from Beckett. Hopefully, he'll get it together this weekend.
<< <i>You won't need to remind me - I just watched him tonight. Not good - one bad inning, then one great inning, then another bad inning...no consistency from Beckett. Hopefully, he'll get it together this weekend. >>
Beckett will be fine on Saturday. A couple of well placed fastballs early will set the tone for the breaking ball and change up. Francona has pulled him after low 100 pitch counts the last couple of outings so hopefully he will be able to pitch deep into the game on Saturday. He is facing Randy so he knows he will be getting plenty of run support.
<< <i>Beckett will be fine on Saturday. A couple of well placed fastballs early will set the tone for the breaking ball and change up. Francona has pulled him after low 100 pitch counts the last couple of outings so hopefully he will be able to pitch deep into the game on Saturday. He is facing Randy so he knows he will be getting plenty of run support. >>
yeah, and Randy will be getting plenty of run support too. Afterall, Becketts ERA is a wee bit WORSE then Randy's
<< <i>Beckett will be fine on Saturday. A couple of well placed fastballs early will set the tone for the breaking ball and change up. Francona has pulled him after low 100 pitch counts the last couple of outings so hopefully he will be able to pitch deep into the game on Saturday. He is facing Randy so he knows he will be getting plenty of run support. >>
And he is what, 16-17 yrs younger ? yeah, and Randy will be getting plenty of run support too. Afterall, Becketts ERA is a wee bit WORSE then Randy's >>
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Although Beckett has not pitched well this year, I have complete confidence that he can still dominate the Yankees in his start on Saturday. Do you guys really believe that Johnson can dominate the Sox? Based on what you guys type about Randy, I think not.
Neither will dominate in my opinion, but I see both sides giving up a HUGE amount of gophers in this series.
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<< <i>Although Beckett has not pitched well this year, I have complete confidence that he can still dominate the Yankees in his start on Saturday. Do you guys really believe that Johnson can dominate the Sox? Based on what you guys type about Randy, I think not. >>
I don't have faith in Randy dominating any game. I will give you that aro
Bri, I guess this means that Big Bird is ugly too?
I agree, to expect the night and day Beckett to dominate the Yankees long patient lineup is just like the Yankee fan expecting the Randy Johnson circa Mariner and Diamond Back to show up.
You guys are nuts...you are comparing Josh Beckett to the washed-up, broken-down, has-been, shadow of his former self Little Unit? I'll grant you that Beckett hasn't pitched as consistently as I would have hoped this season, but he's still the type of pitcher that can dominate a game...you know, kind of like Little Unit used to do 10 years ago.
Beckett dominate? who is nuts He is a crapshoot and ya know it Jer! I for one am not worried in the slightest degree over Beckett. He is not even close to the same pitcher he was with the Marlins ....
<< <i>You guys are nuts...you are comparing Josh Beckett to the washed-up, broken-down, has-been, shadow of his former self Little Unit? I'll grant you that Beckett hasn't pitched as consistently as I would have hoped this season, but he's still the type of pitcher that can dominate a game...you know, kind of like Little Unit used to do 10 years ago. >>
Dude, no matter how old Johnson is he still can and has dominated more games than gopher boy has this year. You Sox fans are living this fantasy that Beckett is the same pitcher he was a few years ago with the Marlins. Not a chance, he is as inconsistent as Randy at best, except Randy had a hall of fame career before his demise, unlike Beckett.
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<< <i>You guys are nuts...you are comparing Josh Beckett to the washed-up, broken-down, has-been, shadow of his former self Little Unit? I'll grant you that Beckett hasn't pitched as consistently as I would have hoped this season, but he's still the type of pitcher that can dominate a game...you know, kind of like Little Unit used to do 10 years ago. >>
Dude, no matter how old Johnson is he still can and has dominated more games than gopher boy has this year. You Sox fans are living this fantasy that Beckett is the same pitcher he was a few years ago with the Marlins. Not a chance, he is as inconsistent as Randy at best, except Randy had a hall of fame career before his demise, unlike Beckett. >>
But, so what? His HOF career happened way before he put on a Yankee uniform - but his demise is happening in a Yankee uniform. Plus, Beckett is 25, and if you watched him this year, you'd see he can dominate at times. I agree he's not consistent, but I would rather see him out there than wheeling out Randy to serve up batting practice.
<< <i>You guys are nuts...you are comparing Josh Beckett to the washed-up, broken-down, has-been, shadow of his former self Little Unit? I'll grant you that Beckett hasn't pitched as consistently as I would have hoped this season, but he's still the type of pitcher that can dominate a game...you know, kind of like Little Unit used to do 10 years ago. >>
Dude, no matter how old Johnson is he still can and has dominated more games than gopher boy has this year. You Sox fans are living this fantasy that Beckett is the same pitcher he was a few years ago with the Marlins. Not a chance, he is as inconsistent as Randy at best, except Randy had a hall of fame career before his demise, unlike Beckett. >>
But, so what? His HOF career happened way before he put on a Yankee uniform - but his demise is happening in a Yankee uniform. Plus, Beckett is 25, and if you watched him this year, you'd see he can dominate at times. I agree he's not consistent, but I would rather see him out there than wheeling out Randy to serve up batting practice. >>
And if you have watched Johnson this year youd see he can still dominate at times.
The point is that neither guy has performed up to par. One, at the end of his career, and one who is going to be counted on for years to come. For the Sox fans sake Beckett better turn it around, or else the team will suffer.
As far as Johnson serving up BP, here are some of his numbers this year compared to Becketts,
Nearly identical stats, except for Becketts CLEAR edge on number of HRS given up. So if Randy is throwing BP as you said then wouldnt you have to say the same thing for BEckett ??
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We will see what happens. Comparisons to opponents aside, Randy Johnson is over the hill and just serves the purpose of eating innings at this juncture. His ability to overpower are understandably diminished with his age. He's got life in the arm, and I've said before the best move the Yanks can do is rest him until the playoffs. He is no longer effective in a rotation....and yes, man he is ugly.
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If you want to feel good as a Sox fan by blasting Randy as the "Little Unit" and that he is not at the same level of pitcher now as he was his entire Hall of Fame career ...... AND at the same time jumping up and down with your pom poms for Beckett who has not even had a Hall of Fame YEAR yet and is living almost primarily off of his victory against the Yankees while he was with the Marlins then you go brother!
Hey....softparade....I'm a Yanks fan. C'mon, the guy is not effective. Over a 5.0 ERA, not dominating any more, just average at best. Not Nolan Ryan or Clemens at his age. He's done and on the downside. Rest him and he could be a factor in the post season. Great career, but no reason to hang your Yanks cap on him. He's not in a slump, he's done.
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<< <i>You guys are nuts...you are comparing Josh Beckett to the washed-up, broken-down, has-been, shadow of his former self Little Unit? I'll grant you that Beckett hasn't pitched as consistently as I would have hoped this season, but he's still the type of pitcher that can dominate a game...you know, kind of like Little Unit used to do 10 years ago. >>
Seems to be a fitting comparison at this point in the season.
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<< <i>Hey....softparade....I'm a Yanks fan. C'mon, the guy is not effective. Over a 5.0 ERA, not dominating any more, just average at best. Not Nolan Ryan or Clemens at his age. He's done and on the downside. Rest him and he could be a factor in the post season. Great career, but no reason to hang your Yanks cap on him. He's not in a slump, he's done. >>
????? what ????? You show me where I have said ANYTHING backing Randy Johnson's performance the past two years. You need to make sure of what you are reading. If you did that, you would see that I am simply pointing out how ludicrous it is for Jerry the Sox fan to continue ridiculing Johnson while waving his pom poms for Josh Beckett.
Harry, get with it brother
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<< <i> I don't have faith in Randy dominating any game. I will give you that aro [q/]
<< <i> I agree, to expect the night and day Beckett to dominate the Yankees long patient lineup is just like the Yankee fan expecting the Randy Johnson circa Mariner and Diamond Back to show up. [q/]
<<Over a 5.0 ERA, not dominating any more, just average at best.>>
True, At times Johnson has looked awful but other times he looked like his old self. He pitched two great games against the White Sox this year, one almost a Perfect Game No Hitter. I agree....the best thing might be to give him more rest and he might perform like his old self in the playoffs. And we are going to make the playoffs, right Yankee fans?
One comment on his ugliness....he looks better than when he was younger. When he was on Seattle he had that long straggly hair. I think since he came to NY he is trying to change his image. At one point I saw him wearing braces.
<< <i> Am I wrong though about the 'rules' of grooming allowed in NY?
Gimabi and Damon, 2 big time names, were forced to cut their hair upon arriving...figured units was too. Sorry for being mistaken. >>
You are correct. I don't know what the bid deal is ...... the Yankees have always been known for this policy WAY BEFORE Steinbrenner came to town and only with a few notable exceptions have always stuck to this policy. I am quite sure this is not the reason for Randy Johnson's leveling off ..... 43 years of age is more likley the culprit
<< <i>The long straggly hair and that 6'10" frame is what gave him that intimidating factor.
Trying to change his image? Everyone knows long hair isn't allowed by the dictator. >>
So Mark Hendrickson is intimidating eh? Sorry but the 100+ mph fastball, the bird incident, and the wildness at the beginning of his career with Montreal is what was the intimidation factor. Only in Cali does "straggly hair" define intimidating.
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<< <i>The long straggly hair and that 6'10" frame is what gave him that intimidating factor.
Trying to change his image? Everyone knows long hair isn't allowed by the dictator. >>
So Mark Hendrickson is intimidating eh? Sorry but the 100+ mph fastball, the bird incident, and the wildness at the beginning of his career with Montreal is what was the intimidation factor. Only in Cali does "straggly hair" define intimidating. >>
Jesus man lighten up.
The fastball didn't scare people, 'Mr. Snappy' did.
Sorry, what's "Mr. Snappy"? I'm sure the hair is why Kruk got intimidated in the all-star game, it couldn't have been the 100+mph fastball that went over his head, you twit.
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I just found out Sidney Ponson is going to start one of the games Friday...
The pitching matchups favor Boston in every case - especially now that it looks like David Wells is back in form.
Also, just reported that the Red Sox traded for Eric Hinske from Toronto, and signed Carlos Pena (formerly of Detroit)...two left-handed bats to come off the bench.
You all should be very happy Wells is back. Its hard for me not to root for the guy no matter what uni he is wearing. One of my all time favorites, and balls of steel in a big game.
Damn, between him and finding out about Schilling's charity work for Gehrigs disease thats 2 pitchers on the Sox I cant hate.
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Typical Red Sox fan minutia. Can you please tell us how Chien-Ming Wang ranks in ground ball outs for Major League starting pitchers?
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The Damon trade was not about this season, and you can't judge it until you see how he does over the next few seasons for the Yanks. I don't even think the Yanks see him as a 4 year CF, but they are the only team that can pay him $50+ million for a good season or two.
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Oh really? So, if johnny damon who is having a fine season sends your Red Sox packing personally THIS year it DOES NOT MATTER? Because the trade is not about THIS YEAR? Dude, how much Sox propaganda do you take in every day
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<< <i><<The wheels are about to come off for Wang, also. He's got one of the lowest strikeout ratios in the AL among starters>>
Typical Red Sox fan minutia. Can you please tell us how Chien-Ming Wang ranks in ground ball outs for Major League starting pitchers? >>
spammy, on one hand you complain about 'minutia', then want to rank in ground ball outs?
hahaha
<< <i> spammy, on one hand you complain about 'minutia', then want to rank in ground ball outs?
hahaha >>
spammy or no spammy it was a valid question. Jerry was the one who felt compelled to point out Wang's low strikeout total as if that number gave a good representation of how well he has pitched this year. You never see Jerry pointing out Josh Becketts 31 Home Runs given up when he is constantly telling us about how good he is .....
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Just seemed very strange.
In other news, Wang gave up 13 hits today. They probably weren't ground balls though, so that's okay.
Nice to see the Sox get back on track. Wells looked sharp on Friday. A big comeback Saturday with great work by the bullpen and a nice offensive outburst today. I wonder if they will start Wells on Friday against the Yankees and go with Johnson on Thursday against the Tigers? Who are the Yankees going to be starting in the second game of the doubleheader on Friday?
Nice sweep, good to be back on track.
<< <i>Big win for the Sox today, survived some rough pitching but great hitting by Lowell and Youkilis saved the day. Didn't need Papi either!
In other news, Wang gave up 13 hits today. They probably weren't ground balls though, so that's okay. >>
yep, his worst start all season .... figures you felt the need to think that this one start proves your theory. Its all good, I will make sure I remind you the next 15 home runs Beckett gives up
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<< <i>You won't need to remind me - I just watched him tonight. Not good - one bad inning, then one great inning, then another bad inning...no consistency from Beckett. Hopefully, he'll get it together this weekend. >>
no, not THIS weekend Jerry !
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<< <i>Beckett will be fine on Saturday. A couple of well placed fastballs early will set the tone for the breaking ball and change up. Francona has pulled him after low 100 pitch counts the last couple of outings so hopefully he will be able to pitch deep into the game on Saturday. He is facing Randy so he knows he will be getting plenty of run support. >>
yeah, and Randy will be getting plenty of run support too. Afterall, Becketts ERA is a wee bit WORSE then Randy's
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<< <i>Beckett will be fine on Saturday. A couple of well placed fastballs early will set the tone for the breaking ball and change up. Francona has pulled him after low 100 pitch counts the last couple of outings so hopefully he will be able to pitch deep into the game on Saturday. He is facing Randy so he knows he will be getting plenty of run support. >>
And he is what, 16-17 yrs younger ?
yeah, and Randy will be getting plenty of run support too. Afterall, Becketts ERA is a wee bit WORSE then Randy's >>
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<< <i>Although Beckett has not pitched well this year, I have complete confidence that he can still dominate the Yankees in his start on Saturday. Do you guys really believe that Johnson can dominate the Sox? Based on what you guys type about Randy, I think not. >>
I don't have faith in Randy dominating any game. I will give you that aro
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They will still light up Beckett. He and Johnson will both be long gone before the game is decided.
-- Yogi Berra
I agree, to expect the night and day Beckett to dominate the Yankees long patient lineup is just like the Yankee fan expecting the Randy Johnson circa Mariner and Diamond Back to show up.
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<< <i>You guys are nuts...you are comparing Josh Beckett to the washed-up, broken-down, has-been, shadow of his former self Little Unit? I'll grant you that Beckett hasn't pitched as consistently as I would have hoped this season, but he's still the type of pitcher that can dominate a game...you know, kind of like Little Unit used to do 10 years ago. >>
Dude, no matter how old Johnson is he still can and has dominated more games than gopher boy has this year. You Sox fans are living this fantasy that Beckett is the same pitcher he was a few years ago with the Marlins. Not a chance, he is as inconsistent as Randy at best, except Randy had a hall of fame career before his demise, unlike Beckett.
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<< <i>
<< <i>You guys are nuts...you are comparing Josh Beckett to the washed-up, broken-down, has-been, shadow of his former self Little Unit? I'll grant you that Beckett hasn't pitched as consistently as I would have hoped this season, but he's still the type of pitcher that can dominate a game...you know, kind of like Little Unit used to do 10 years ago. >>
Dude, no matter how old Johnson is he still can and has dominated more games than gopher boy has this year. You Sox fans are living this fantasy that Beckett is the same pitcher he was a few years ago with the Marlins. Not a chance, he is as inconsistent as Randy at best, except Randy had a hall of fame career before his demise, unlike Beckett. >>
But, so what? His HOF career happened way before he put on a Yankee uniform - but his demise is happening in a Yankee uniform. Plus, Beckett is 25, and if you watched him this year, you'd see he can dominate at times. I agree he's not consistent, but I would rather see him out there than wheeling out Randy to serve up batting practice.
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<< <i>
<< <i>You guys are nuts...you are comparing Josh Beckett to the washed-up, broken-down, has-been, shadow of his former self Little Unit? I'll grant you that Beckett hasn't pitched as consistently as I would have hoped this season, but he's still the type of pitcher that can dominate a game...you know, kind of like Little Unit used to do 10 years ago. >>
Dude, no matter how old Johnson is he still can and has dominated more games than gopher boy has this year. You Sox fans are living this fantasy that Beckett is the same pitcher he was a few years ago with the Marlins. Not a chance, he is as inconsistent as Randy at best, except Randy had a hall of fame career before his demise, unlike Beckett. >>
But, so what? His HOF career happened way before he put on a Yankee uniform - but his demise is happening in a Yankee uniform. Plus, Beckett is 25, and if you watched him this year, you'd see he can dominate at times. I agree he's not consistent, but I would rather see him out there than wheeling out Randy to serve up batting practice. >>
And if you have watched Johnson this year youd see he can still dominate at times.
The point is that neither guy has performed up to par. One, at the end of his career, and one who is going to be counted on for years to come. For the Sox fans sake Beckett better turn it around, or else the team will suffer.
As far as Johnson serving up BP, here are some of his numbers this year compared to Becketts,
Johnson IP-157 hits-154 HRs-22 BB-45 K's-131 ERA-4.92 WHIP-1.26
Beckett 152 144 31 50 126 5.02 1.27
Nearly identical stats, except for Becketts CLEAR edge on number of HRS given up. So if Randy is throwing BP as you said then wouldnt you have to say the same thing for BEckett ??
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If you want to feel good as a Sox fan by blasting Randy as the "Little Unit" and that he is not at the same level of pitcher now as he was his entire Hall of Fame career ...... AND at the same time jumping up and down with your pom poms for Beckett who has not even had a Hall of Fame YEAR yet and is living almost primarily off of his victory against the Yankees while he was with the Marlins then you go brother!
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<< <i>You guys are nuts...you are comparing Josh Beckett to the washed-up, broken-down, has-been, shadow of his former self Little Unit? I'll grant you that Beckett hasn't pitched as consistently as I would have hoped this season, but he's still the type of pitcher that can dominate a game...you know, kind of like Little Unit used to do 10 years ago. >>
Seems to be a fitting comparison at this point in the season.
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<< <i>Hey....softparade....I'm a Yanks fan. C'mon, the guy is not effective. Over a 5.0 ERA, not dominating any more, just average at best. Not Nolan Ryan or Clemens at his age. He's done and on the downside. Rest him and he could be a factor in the post season. Great career, but no reason to hang your Yanks cap on him. He's not in a slump, he's done. >>
????? what ????? You show me where I have said ANYTHING backing Randy Johnson's performance the past two years. You need to make sure of what you are reading. If you did that, you would see that I am simply pointing out how ludicrous it is for Jerry the Sox fan to continue ridiculing Johnson while waving his pom poms for Josh Beckett.
Harry, get with it brother
My two comments regarding Randy Johnso just one page back ...
<< <i> I don't have faith in Randy dominating any game. I will give you that aro [q/]
<< <i> I agree, to expect the night and day Beckett to dominate the Yankees long patient lineup is just like the Yankee fan expecting the Randy Johnson circa Mariner and Diamond Back to show up. [q/]
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True, At times Johnson has looked awful but other times he looked like his old self. He pitched two great games against the White Sox this year, one almost a Perfect Game No Hitter. I agree....the best thing might be to give him more rest and he might perform like his old self in the playoffs. And we are going to make the playoffs, right Yankee fans?
One comment on his ugliness....he looks better than when he was younger. When he was on Seattle he had that long straggly hair. I think since he came to NY he is trying to change his image. At one point I saw him wearing braces.
Trying to change his image? Everyone knows long hair isn't allowed by the dictator.
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<< <i>Stop it Ax. Randy's hair was cut short long before his arrival in NY. >>
Am I wrong though about the 'rules' of grooming allowed in NY?
Gimabi and Damon, 2 big time names, were forced to cut their hair upon arriving...figured units was too. Sorry for being mistaken.
Axhole - thanks for the brilliant contribution.
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Axhole - thanks for the brilliant contribution. >>
Always happy to help!
I am serious that I saw Randy wearing braces. George must have Delta Dental.
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Am I wrong though about the 'rules' of grooming allowed in NY?
Gimabi and Damon, 2 big time names, were forced to cut their hair upon arriving...figured units was too. Sorry for being mistaken. >>
You are correct. I don't know what the bid deal is ...... the Yankees have always been known for this policy WAY BEFORE Steinbrenner came to town and only with a few notable exceptions have always stuck to this policy. I am quite sure this is not the reason for Randy Johnson's leveling off ..... 43 years of age is more likley the culprit
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<< <i>The long straggly hair and that 6'10" frame is what gave him that intimidating factor.
Trying to change his image? Everyone knows long hair isn't allowed by the dictator. >>
So Mark Hendrickson is intimidating eh? Sorry but the 100+ mph fastball, the bird incident, and the wildness at the beginning of his career with Montreal is what was the intimidation factor. Only in Cali does "straggly hair" define intimidating.
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<< <i>The long straggly hair and that 6'10" frame is what gave him that intimidating factor.
Trying to change his image? Everyone knows long hair isn't allowed by the dictator. >>
So Mark Hendrickson is intimidating eh? Sorry but the 100+ mph fastball, the bird incident, and the wildness at the beginning of his career with Montreal is what was the intimidation factor. Only in Cali does "straggly hair" define intimidating. >>
Jesus man lighten up.
The fastball didn't scare people, 'Mr. Snappy' did.
Mark Mulder rookies
Chipper Jones rookies
Orlando Cabrera rookies
Lawrence Taylor
Sam Huff
Lavar Arrington
NY Giants
NY Yankees
NJ Nets
NJ Devils
1950s-1960s Topps NY Giants Team cards
Looking for Topps rookies as well.
References:
GregM13
VintageJeff
<< <i>Hey, this thread is titled Red Sox - let's move along with all this Randy Johnson nonsense... >>
Yeah, c'mon already !
Sooooo......anyway.........The Sox.......I bet they lose to Randy Johnson this week.
-- Yogi Berra
The pitching matchups favor Boston in every case - especially now that it looks like David Wells is back in form.
Also, just reported that the Red Sox traded for Eric Hinske from Toronto, and signed Carlos Pena (formerly of Detroit)...two left-handed bats to come off the bench.
Damn, between him and finding out about Schilling's charity work for Gehrigs disease thats 2 pitchers on the Sox I cant hate.
-- Yogi Berra