Red Sox!!!

perkdog · June 7, 2006 12:49AM

Hopefully Schilling can snap us out of it and get some run support tonight! We can still salvage a split of this series, Lets go Sox!!!!!!!

softparade · June 7, 2006 1:02AM

whoops, did not realize this was a 4 game series.

Good to see a Sox thread!

Writer11 · June 7, 2006 2:13AM

What's the scoop on Beckett? Is he hurt?

What's with these ex-Marlins pitchers? Burnett? Clement?

They are falling apart. Did McKeon pitch them into the ground?

RipublicaninMass · June 7, 2006 3:57AM

LAt night wan't a bad loss, but coming after the previous game, Pauly pitched pretty well.

WeekendHacker · June 7, 2006 4:00AM

With Schilling going tonight and Wakefield tomorrow, the Sox should be able to get at least one of those games. I'm relying on Johnson to blow up again, he's pitched too well lately to keep this up.

perkdog · June 7, 2006 6:57AM

We will be lucky if they even play tommorow with all this freakin rain. Beckett will be fine (Hopefully) I think Clement will continue to be great one game and horrible the next kinda like a Dr.Jeckyl Mr.Hyde thing.

bri2327 · June 7, 2006 11:00AM

Pauly did pitch a great game last night. That was the first I had seen of him and he was really impressive. Whats the scoop on him ? The Yankees broadcasters had mentioned that he was a little strike zone shy up until yesterday. He certainly didnt look that way to me, he showed some great control and poise for a young guy in that situation.

perkdog · June 7, 2006 11:20AM

He did look good, that was a hard luck loss but well take the quality start from him, over Memorial Day weekend he got shelled by the Jays for 6 runs in 4 IP. To early to tell what the Sox are going to do with him

perkdog · June 9, 2006 7:30AM

Pauly is being tossed in the pen, I would give him another start after his nice performance the other night.

Any other Sox fans feeling threatened by the Jays? 2.5 games out is nothing. No disrespect for the newcomer Yanks such as Cabrera and company but with their injuries I just dont seem as worried about them as I do the Jays. Way too early but thats what Im feeling........

WeekendHacker · June 9, 2006 8:02AM

The Sox have 4 with the Rangers this weekend, the Yankees get the A's and the Jays get the Tigers. Things could be different come Monday, the Sox might be in 3rd or the Yankees in 3rd. That's why they play the game. I don't think the Sox and Yankees get together again for 2 months or something. With the rainout the other night, there is a game to be made up at both Fenway and Yankee stadium. Those double-headers could be tough to absorb in the dog days of summer.

softparade · June 9, 2006 9:22AM

<< The Sox have 4 with the Rangers this weekend, the Yankees get the A's and the Jays get the Tigers. Things could be different come Monday, the Sox might be in 3rd or the Yankees in 3rd. That's why they play the game. I don't think the Sox and Yankees get together again for 2 months or something. With the rainout the other night, there is a game to be made up at both Fenway and Yankee stadium. Those double-headers could be tough to absorb in the dog days of summer. >>

I agree with everything said hack!

I can't believe the schedule makers front loaded the Yanks Sox games so much .....

ctsoxfan · June 9, 2006 12:48PM

<< Pauly is being tossed in the pen, I would give him another start after his nice performance the other night.

Any other Sox fans feeling threatened by the Jays? 2.5 games out is nothing. No disrespect for the newcomer Yanks such as Cabrera and company but with their injuries I just dont seem as worried about them as I do the Jays. Way too early but thats what Im feeling........ >>

I have been saying that all along. The Jays have quite a team, and if Burnett comes back strong (he comes back in 2 weeks, I believe) they will have a nice 1-2 in Halladay and Burnett. A top closer in Ryan, and a lot of hitting - I am sure they'll be right there at the end with Boston. The newcomer Yanks are playing well at the moment, but you have to think that time will catch up with them, and unless they make a big trade / move, they'll be lucky to be playing for a wild card in September.

WinPitcher · June 9, 2006 12:53PM

I agree, however I think all 3 will be playing for that wild card.

None of these teams is going to run away with anything. i forsee a tight race down to the wire. If anything i give the Yanks the edge in winning the division. Like they did last year.

Steve

edited to add and 2 of them may not even win it ( a playoff spot) as the WC could come out of the central div this year.

ctsoxfan · June 9, 2006 12:53PM

How about Wakefield tonight? He pitched another gem, unfortunately Papelbon gave up a key hit and couldn't hold the win for him - but he slammed the door in the ninth.

You have to be excited by all the young pitching the Sox have - we got to see Hansen tonight briefly (closer of the future?) and after the game, they sent him back down to AAA briefly to call up Jon Lester (ace LHP prospect) to start tommorrow. Add in Pauley and Papelbon, and there aren't many teams with this much young homegrown pitching talent in baseball.

perkdog · June 9, 2006 1:45PM

CT, I think Papelbon is our closer for the future! The guy is the hottest thing in town since the coming of Big Papi!!!!!!!!!

Steve (Win Pitcher) Curious how you give the Yanks the edge? Like I said earlier their team is riddled with injuries and Randy just can not seem to be their go to guy this year. Moose cannot keep up this pace all year long can he? I really think the Yanks are just a bit past their prime. A wildcard could come out of the central this year but that would be a whole lot of losing from one of the three AL East teams and I just dont see that happening with the Sox, Jays, or the Yanks. With Steinbrenner at the helm, he will do whatever it takes to fill any holes in either their lineup or rotation, so I expect them to be a tuff fight through August but falling apart down the September stretch.

WeekendHacker · June 9, 2006 1:46PM

<< I'm relying on Johnson to blow up again, he's pitched too well lately to keep this up. >>

That was too easy to predict, he blew up against the A's.

ctsoxfan · June 9, 2006 2:53PM

Perkdog, I think that as great as Papelbon has been as a closer, the Sox would prefer to see him as a starter - he got the closer role by default when Foulke wasn't up to the task. Not this year, but maybe next, I would bet on Papelbon becoming a starter. Hansen was drafted to be a closer, and has great stuff (we saw it briefly last year). I still think he'll be the closer of the future in Boston.

As a long time Boston fan, I have learned never to count out the Yanks completely. But, this season is maybe the one time that you can clearly see a pennant race in the AL East without them. Johnson looks awful again tonight, too many injuries, absolutely no middle relief, it has to catch up with you sometime. I can understand thinking the Yanks will still be there at the end (just because they always are) but to say they have the "edge" this season makes no sense to me.

WinPitcher · June 9, 2006 11:34PM

Steve (Win Pitcher) Curious how you give the Yanks the edge?

History

Edited to add:

i said "If anything i give the Yanks the edge " which is a tad different then coming right out and saying that I give them the edge.

with that said, you, (perk) answered the question for me. You said Steingrabber would do anything. Would that not possibly give them 'edge'?

Steve

RipublicaninMass · June 10, 2006 1:23AM

Too tired to find the lonk but I am pretty sure the vegas odds were
1. Jays
2. yanks
3. red sox

perkdog · June 10, 2006 1:31AM

Steve, I see what your saying, I contradicted myself. What I meen is Steinbrenner will IMO make a major move with a high priced Pitcher or outfielder and that will assist them in fighting to stay atop the division but in the end their whole makeup of age and injuries will catch up with them and that gives the Jays and Sox the edge.

WeekendHacker · June 10, 2006 1:43AM

If the Nationals keep reeling, I am worried that the evil empire could try and land Soriano. He's a free agent after this season and it's highly unlikely that he will stay with Washington. Everyone needs pitching so the price will be high and there isn't a whole lot out there.

ctsoxfan · June 10, 2006 2:21AM

I can almost see that happening (Soriano) - but it still wouldn't address the pitching situation over there. That's where I see the Sox having a clear edge, not just this season, but for the next few years at least. Whatever happens, I do agree that no one is running away with anything, and it should be an interesting summer.

perkdog · June 10, 2006 2:24AM

What about Dontrell Willis? Rumor has it he might be gone before the end of the season.

WinPitcher · June 10, 2006 4:19AM

If the Nationals keep reeling,

I thought I heard today that the Nationals were on some roll. keep reeling?

Not sure what that means.

Steve

Writer11 · June 10, 2006 5:11AM

<< What about Dontrell Willis? Rumor has it he might be gone before the end of the season. >>

We are hearing all the D-Train rumors here in Toronto. The Marlins are said to be asking for two of the Jays' best pitching prospects (Dustin McGowan and Brandon League), so it's likely no dice.

aro13 · June 10, 2006 12:18PM

I believe the Vegas odds favour in order: New York, Boston, Toronto.

ctsoxfan · June 10, 2006 2:29PM

<< I believe the Vegas odds favour in order: New York, Boston, Toronto. >>

Those can't be current odds - maybe they were the odds before the season started?

WinPitcher · June 10, 2006 11:46PM

All bets action as long as a winner is declared sometime in 2006. Any tiebreakers used by MLB to determine division winner will be inlcuded.
All bets action regardless of name change(s) or team relocation(s), schedule and/or venue changes.
Name Open Current
NEW YORK YANKEES 2/5 5/7
BOSTON RED SOX 23/10 6/5
TORONTO BLUE JAYS 9/1 8/1
BALTIMORE ORIOLES 25/1 30/1
TAMPA BAY DEVIL RAYS 75/1 100/1
Updated: Mon, Jun 5 1:11 p.m. EDT

Looks tight to me.

But aro is correct, as of Jun 5th anyway.

Steve

perkdog · June 11, 2006 12:19AM

As of June 5th? Suprised with the way Randy is pitching and the injuries to Sheffield, Matsui and Co. the Yanks are still favored.

softparade · June 11, 2006 12:40AM

Everything is perception. Even with the way Randy Johnson is getting pounded the Yankees team ERA is nearly a half run per game lower then the Sox. Just pointing that out, not trying to make any statements about the Sox pitching.

perkdog · June 11, 2006 1:49AM

Actually you did make a statment about our pitching and you are correct, Good point too. As far as Randy goes he could turn it around at anytime so Im not saying the Yanks are done but once again I just dont see their pitching getting the run support with Sheffield and Matsui gone.

softparade · June 11, 2006 1:56AM

With Sheffield and Matsui gone the Yankees set a all time team record of 13 straight games with 10 hits or more. Run support will not be the Yankees problem. Middle relief and the number 3, 4 and 5 starter will. Now, back to Sox talk!

aro13 · June 11, 2006 4:49AM

How was that for a HUGE homer? Sox down 4-2 in the ninth with two out and two on and Big Papi after falling behind 0-2 hits a game winning three run shot.

WinPitcher · June 11, 2006 8:51AM

Big Papi is clutch.

Steve

softparade · June 11, 2006 9:01AM

Yes he is

RipublicaninMass · June 11, 2006 9:20AM

extremely irritating game 2 today

Connecticoin · June 11, 2006 10:17AM

<< extremely irritating game 2 today

>>

Yes, extrememly so:

1. Pauley got shelled and is headed back to Portland
2. Foulke got shelled 2 games in a row now, and his previous few appearances were nothing spectacular either. He is getting hit hard and his changeup is not effective anymore. I figure one more shelling and he goes on the "mental DL".
3. Seanez sucked again. He always has one good appearance then two crappy ones. Permanent mop-up role this year.

Timilin is coming back, and Clement and Wells need to get back on track for the Sox to stay on top. Throw in possible roles for Lester and Hansen, and it should get interesting.

RipublicaninMass · June 11, 2006 10:54AM

Well Beckett was no hero either in game one ^^^^ but we pulled it off, no fault of our own!!
M most
V valuable

P Papi ??

perkdog · June 12, 2006 5:42AM

Im not hitting the panic button just yet, but very irritatted. The pitching is just not working, Timlin will be much needed relief, but whats up with Pauly? We planned on putting him in the pen and then start him the other day? I think he controlled his own destiny there, if he pitched a gem he would NOT be put back in the minors but instead he gets a bit rocked and WHAMO! see ya.........I have had enough of Foulk. Love him forever for 04 but this is now and he is not helping the ballclub.

ctsoxfan · June 12, 2006 8:17AM

I'm in another fantasy baseball league (besides this one) and I drafted Foulke fairly early, and held onto him until after yesterdays second game. That's it - I have seen him get shelled enough, and you are right perkdog - he's not helping the club at all right now.

Beckett hasn't been sharp either as of late, and that we cannot afford to see. I don't put much faith in Wells coming back and helping, it's going to have to be the young guys stepping up.

Connecticoin · June 12, 2006 12:08PM

Beckett's last start was not great, but much better than the prior two. I think he will be sharp again by the next start or the one after and should be OK. Also, bucking conventional wisdom I think Wells will be able to contribute -- he looked good in his first start off the DL before that unlucky line drive!

perkdog · June 13, 2006 5:04AM

Im just hoping we can get the E.R.A down a bit for starters. Beckett 5.26, Clement 6.68, Wakefield 3.93, Schilling 3.81 to me is just not cutting it. Hopefully Timlin will be able to provide some middle relief and let Papelbon close 'em out but the staff needs to be a bit more capable of shutting down opposing batters, with all the troubles the Yankees have had we need to take advantage and pull ahead a few games, and again Im telling you those Blue Jays are prime canidates to sneak right in and take over first.

Brian48 · June 13, 2006 5:18AM

Well, Schilling's ERA is not bad considering the league and division he's in. Even Wakefield, who SHOULD have more wins than his record indicates, is very consistent. The problem is, every other starter sucks right now.

perkdog · June 13, 2006 6:18AM

Foulk placed on DL for elbow tendenitis. They recalled RHP Jermain Van Buren from Pawtucket, hopefully he can muster up some strong innings and give a hand...........I love how Foulk goes on the DL when he stinks the place up.

Axtell · June 13, 2006 8:01AM

<< Foulk placed on DL for elbow tendenitis. They recalled RHP Jermain Van Buren from Pawtucket, hopefully he can muster up some strong innings and give a hand...........I love how Foulk goes on the DL when he stinks the place up. >>

The injury might be why he was pitching so poorly?

Not making excuses for the guy, but a pitcher can have any number of ailments that directly or indirectly affect their ability to pitch.

ctsoxfan · June 13, 2006 9:10AM

Foulke's been hurt for a while now, they avoided putting him on the DL though - hoping he just needed a few days. I was surprised to see him pitch Sunday (and get bombed) so obviously the DL trip was needed. He's been through a lot, I hope he can come back effectively at some point.

perkdog · June 13, 2006 9:26AM

Well if the guys hurt then DL him already, it is obvious he has not been himself since how long? Stop putting him in and trying to work through injuries. Dl him for however long and then give him some AAA ball until he gets through what he needs to get through. The guys confidence is shot, so him pitching hurt will not help anybody.

Connecticoin · June 13, 2006 11:58AM

Nice pitcher's duel tonight!!

ctsoxfan · June 13, 2006 1:59PM

Well, that was a great game - until the 12th inning. Great pitching by Schilling and Santana, and a fly ball becomes a walk off grand slam in the tiny Metrodome. Even the Twins announcers couldn't believe it.

Connecticoin · June 13, 2006 9:13PM

<< Well, that was a great game - until the 12th inning. Great pitching by Schilling and Santana, and a fly ball becomes a walk off grand slam in the tiny Metrodome. Even the Twins announcers couldn't believe it. >>

Really a shame. Tavarez was in control until he plunked the second batter. I was hoping (and probably Francona was as well) a nice save here would give him confidence to perform the way he used to for Cleveland and St. Louis. I think DelCarmen and Hansen are going to see more action now.

Brian48 · June 13, 2006 10:54PM

Man, when I saw Tavarez (aka Freddie Kruger) come out, I had a feeling the game was lost even though the Sox was ahead by one. You know that gut wrenching feeling that hit the pit of your stomach last year whenever Foulke came out to close the game? Well, it was there again. This is what the Sox get for signing another reject from St Louis.

On a positive note, that was quite a great pitching performance by Schilling, Papelbon, and Timlin. At least we know Timlin is REALLY back and it couldn't be soon enough.

I'm going to tune out tonight's game. I can't bear to watch another Clemente (the headcase) shelling.

Red Sox!!!

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