@jordangretzkyfan said:
Without seeing the back, I can only presume the Griese got a PSA 7 because of the fisheyes on the dolphin. If that is the case, I can find piles of PSA 8 and 9 with that same issue. That is a brutal grade for such a sharp card. Should be a PSA 8 all day. Congrats on the beautiful checklist!
8 all day long.
It's a PSA 7 all day long. T/B centering is "7" centering.
chaz
Feel free to take all your negativity and move on. Your obviously not along for the pure fun of the rips so move along. You never have anything positive and you're stirring pots based on personal messages I have gotten. Please move along because I have a shit pile to rip. Thanks.
Hi- I am surprised at your reaction, not being negative at all. I believe this is the first time I ever commented on your thread. I just call it like I see it... some people don't like it....oh well. No harm done.
@jordangretzkyfan said:
Without seeing the back, I can only presume the Griese got a PSA 7 because of the fisheyes on the dolphin. If that is the case, I can find piles of PSA 8 and 9 with that same issue. That is a brutal grade for such a sharp card. Should be a PSA 8 all day. Congrats on the beautiful checklist!
8 all day long.
It's a PSA 7 all day long. T/B centering is "7" centering.
chaz
I see it's centered low, but on cards with an "undefined" border, PSA's all over the place.
I just think the overall appearance of the card warrants an 8, almost a 9.
Beautiful card, regardless of the number that gets assigned.
2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
@jordangretzkyfan said:
Without seeing the back, I can only presume the Griese got a PSA 7 because of the fisheyes on the dolphin. If that is the case, I can find piles of PSA 8 and 9 with that same issue. That is a brutal grade for such a sharp card. Should be a PSA 8 all day. Congrats on the beautiful checklist!
8 all day long.
It's a PSA 7 all day long. T/B centering is "7" centering.
chaz
The centering (65/35) alone doesn't warrant a 7, but combined with the fish eyes I'd agree with the grade... I think I count 10 in the dolphin/helmet/sun rays of the logo and another 5 or 6 in his name. It is a shame some printer defects on an otherwise blazer of a card can bring the grade down so much. One of my favorite cards is the Bird/Magic RC and I've pulled about a dozen of them from packs. It's enough that now I don't care about centering on that card nearly as much as pulling one with no snow or black ink dots/lines on it.
@jordangretzkyfan said:
Without seeing the back, I can only presume the Griese got a PSA 7 because of the fisheyes on the dolphin. If that is the case, I can find piles of PSA 8 and 9 with that same issue. That is a brutal grade for such a sharp card. Should be a PSA 8 all day. Congrats on the beautiful checklist!
8 all day long.
It's a PSA 7 all day long. T/B centering is "7" centering.
chaz
Yo are you BLIND?! TB is around 55/45 EVEN within a PSA 10 standard...card is a 9+
Those 8s also have additional flaws, print defects and touched corners.
I re-joined the CC to make a big sub but can’t pull the trigger knowing I am going to get back cards 1-2 grades lower then if I submitted pre pandemic. Whats the point if the cards present better in a CS1 and would sell better raw? Not like they are fire and flood proof so the ‘protection’ angle is strange, I haven’t ruined a card that is in a cardsaver ever so I’m pretty confident they are good as is.
@jordangretzkyfan said:
Without seeing the back, I can only presume the Griese got a PSA 7 because of the fisheyes on the dolphin. If that is the case, I can find piles of PSA 8 and 9 with that same issue. That is a brutal grade for such a sharp card. Should be a PSA 8 all day. Congrats on the beautiful checklist!
Fisheyes on the dolphin and on the Griese, but agreed it's still harsh.
Successful coin BST transactions with Gerard and segoja.
Successful card BST transactions with cbcnow, brogurt, gstarling, Bravesfan 007, and rajah 424.
@jordangretzkyfan said:
Without seeing the back, I can only presume the Griese got a PSA 7 because of the fisheyes on the dolphin. If that is the case, I can find piles of PSA 8 and 9 with that same issue. That is a brutal grade for such a sharp card. Should be a PSA 8 all day. Congrats on the beautiful checklist!
8 all day long.
It's a PSA 7 all day long. T/B centering is "7" centering.
chaz
The centering (65/35) alone doesn't warrant a 7, but combined with the fish eyes I'd agree with the grade... I think I count 10 in the dolphin/helmet/sun rays of the logo and another 5 or 6 in his name. It is a shame some printer defects on an otherwise blazer of a card can bring the grade down so much. One of my favorite cards is the Bird/Magic RC and I've pulled about a dozen of them from packs. It's enough that now I don't care about centering on that card nearly as much as pulling one with no snow or black ink dots/lines on it.
Not arguing with you but if that's all it takes to go from a 10 to a 7 then grading is truly and completely screwed, and none of it is worth the plastic they put the cards into.
There should be several issues with a card for it to drop just 1 number much less 3. A 10 should be able to have issues and defects and still be a 10. Likewise all the way down the scale.
Is the expectation now that a 1 only has 10 things wrong with it? And they're all valued the same? That makes no sense to me, and why the past few years have been so frustrating to get grades.
@Harnessracing said:
I thought this thread was about Uffdah’s breaks. Let’s get back to that. If you want to discuss grades make another thread
There's ample comments about the cards he pulls. I don't see anything wrong with the last couple of comments I think we should let Uffdah decide what people can discuss since he started the thread.
@Harnessracing said:
I thought this thread was about Uffdah’s breaks. Let’s get back to that. If you want to discuss grades make another thread
This seems to be the case as a small group of folks feels compelled to analyze every card so they can rip PSA grading standards. The OP has provided a wonderful place to view or examine cards he's submitted, but the critiques are getting kind of old. Every one sounds the same, wah wah wah. Come on you guys, just enjoy looking and appreciating what's being shared. Thanks to the OP who has spent presumably thousands of dollars on his passion just for this purpose.
Agree let Uffdah chime in on the comments. If they were my cards I would like seeing they people think my cards are nicer than the grade. We definitely do not want to derail his incredible thread.
@Harnessracing said:
I thought this thread was about Uffdah’s breaks. Let’s get back to that. If you want to discuss grades make another thread
This seems to be the case as a small group of folks feels compelled to analyze every card so they can rip PSA grading standards. The OP has provided a wonderful place to view or examine cards he's submitted, but the critiques are getting kind of old. Every one sounds the same, wah wah wah. Come on you guys, just enjoy looking and appreciating what's being shared. Thanks to the OP who has spent presumably thousands of dollars on his passion just for this purpose.
I think you have it reversed, you are the small group.
Successful coin BST transactions with Gerard and segoja.
Successful card BST transactions with cbcnow, brogurt, gstarling, Bravesfan 007, and rajah 424.
@Harnessracing said:
I thought this thread was about Uffdah’s breaks. Let’s get back to that. If you want to discuss grades make another thread
This seems to be the case as a small group of folks feels compelled to analyze every card so they can rip PSA grading standards. The OP has provided a wonderful place to view or examine cards he's submitted, but the critiques are getting kind of old. Every one sounds the same, wah wah wah. Come on you guys, just enjoy looking and appreciating what's being shared. Thanks to the OP who has spent presumably thousands of dollars on his passion just for this purpose.
I think you have it reversed, you are the small group.
@Harnessracing said:
I thought this thread was about Uffdah’s breaks. Let’s get back to that. If you want to discuss grades make another thread
This seems to be the case as a small group of folks feels compelled to analyze every card so they can rip PSA grading standards. The OP has provided a wonderful place to view or examine cards he's submitted, but the critiques are getting kind of old. Every one sounds the same, wah wah wah. Come on you guys, just enjoy looking and appreciating what's being shared. Thanks to the OP who has spent presumably thousands of dollars on his passion just for this purpose.
I think you have it reversed, you are the small group.
Oh. Ok. But we're really, really loud.
The majority has spoken! There is a reason just about every thread since PSA changed their grading standards have had some degree of this going on.
Successful coin BST transactions with Gerard and segoja.
Successful card BST transactions with cbcnow, brogurt, gstarling, Bravesfan 007, and rajah 424.
This thread is about my personal journey to build a Hobby First Collection ripped from packs and vending that otherwise would likely not be opened. I don't mind a little discussion about grading but it doesn't need to dominate and I for sure don't want people getting on each other and creating hard feelings. I have more to open and intend to keep this thread going and want it to be as positive and fun as possible.
Don't forget to just enjoy the cards no matter what they grade
^ Red is the color most prone to fading and on yours they are rich, deep and vibrant. Totally speculator! For future generations, keep it behind some UV glass
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972) Not even a minute do I buy the whole buh buh buh I'm a man-child japery - Me (2025)
Amazing! I think for context, showing an aged card next to some of these pack fresh pulls would further explain just how extraordinary these cards are, and remind us of what they looked like 70 years ago as they were being pulled from fresh packs. Thanks for sharing!
kevin
This 77 year old masterpiece is a POP 2 with only 2 HIGHER
Awesome card. What's the value for a card like this? I have no knowledge of these cards. Let's say you put this on EBAY what's your guess on the high bid?
@UFFDAH said:
This thread is about my personal journey to build a Hobby First Collection ripped from packs and vending that otherwise would likely not be opened. I don't mind a little discussion about grading but it doesn't need to dominate and I for sure don't want people getting on each other and creating hard feelings. I have more to open and intend to keep this thread going and want it to be as positive and fun as possible.
Don't forget to just enjoy the cards no matter what they grade
well said. i enjoy all of your cards no matter if they are graded or not. keep them going.
I know sports but most of the non sports, especially with the older ones, my knowledge is lacking. Why are they labeled as RE-ISSUE on the flips? When were they issued before, and what is the difference?
This 77 year old masterpiece is a POP 2 with only 2 HIGHER
Awesome card. What's the value for a card like this? I have no knowledge of these cards. Let's say you put this on EBAY what's your guess on the high bid?
@gameusedhoop said:
I know sports but most of the non sports, especially with the older ones, my knowledge is lacking. Why are they labeled as RE-ISSUE on the flips? When were they issued before, and what is the difference?
Thank you for the explanation and write up. If I ever come across this issue I will not look stupid going to google and hunting for the info. Great cards BTW!
@gameusedhoop said:
Thank you for the explanation and write up. If I ever come across this issue I will not look stupid going to google and hunting for the info. Great cards BTW!
@gameusedhoop said:
Thank you for the explanation and write up. If I ever come across this issue I will not look stupid going to google and hunting for the info. Great cards BTW!
@PatriotTrading said:
Every cello pack I get with an OC front card, the rest of them are OC. Looks like you did well with centering with this one. Good luck!
@PatriotTrading said:
Every cello pack I get with an OC front card, the rest of them are OC. Looks like you did well with centering with this one. Good luck!
For vintage topps packs That usually only happens for up to 6 cards.
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Hi- I am surprised at your reaction, not being negative at all. I believe this is the first time I ever commented on your thread. I just call it like I see it... some people don't like it....oh well. No harm done.
chaz
I see it's centered low, but on cards with an "undefined" border, PSA's all over the place.
I just think the overall appearance of the card warrants an 8, almost a 9.
Beautiful card, regardless of the number that gets assigned.
PSA 8 - Centering
The centering (65/35) alone doesn't warrant a 7, but combined with the fish eyes I'd agree with the grade... I think I count 10 in the dolphin/helmet/sun rays of the logo and another 5 or 6 in his name. It is a shame some printer defects on an otherwise blazer of a card can bring the grade down so much. One of my favorite cards is the Bird/Magic RC and I've pulled about a dozen of them from packs. It's enough that now I don't care about centering on that card nearly as much as pulling one with no snow or black ink dots/lines on it.
Yo are you BLIND?! TB is around 55/45 EVEN within a PSA 10 standard...card is a 9+
Those 8s also have additional flaws, print defects and touched corners.
I re-joined the CC to make a big sub but can’t pull the trigger knowing I am going to get back cards 1-2 grades lower then if I submitted pre pandemic. Whats the point if the cards present better in a CS1 and would sell better raw? Not like they are fire and flood proof so the ‘protection’ angle is strange, I haven’t ruined a card that is in a cardsaver ever so I’m pretty confident they are good as is.
Top of the morning!!
A couple cards back from the 1947 Indian Gum Wax pack I had opened.
POP 6 - 7 HIGHER
Fisheyes on the dolphin and on the Griese, but agreed it's still harsh.
Successful card BST transactions with cbcnow, brogurt, gstarling, Bravesfan 007, and rajah 424.
Not arguing with you but if that's all it takes to go from a 10 to a 7 then grading is truly and completely screwed, and none of it is worth the plastic they put the cards into.
There should be several issues with a card for it to drop just 1 number much less 3. A 10 should be able to have issues and defects and still be a 10. Likewise all the way down the scale.
Is the expectation now that a 1 only has 10 things wrong with it? And they're all valued the same? That makes no sense to me, and why the past few years have been so frustrating to get grades.
I thought this thread was about Uffdah’s breaks. Let’s get back to that. If you want to discuss grades make another thread
There's ample comments about the cards he pulls. I don't see anything wrong with the last couple of comments I think we should let Uffdah decide what people can discuss since he started the thread.
This seems to be the case as a small group of folks feels compelled to analyze every card so they can rip PSA grading standards. The OP has provided a wonderful place to view or examine cards he's submitted, but the critiques are getting kind of old. Every one sounds the same, wah wah wah. Come on you guys, just enjoy looking and appreciating what's being shared. Thanks to the OP who has spent presumably thousands of dollars on his passion just for this purpose.
Agree let Uffdah chime in on the comments. If they were my cards I would like seeing they people think my cards are nicer than the grade. We definitely do not want to derail his incredible thread.
I think you have it reversed, you are the small group.
Successful card BST transactions with cbcnow, brogurt, gstarling, Bravesfan 007, and rajah 424.
Gotta be a surface issue for that sharp a card to grade that low. Yeesh
Oh. Ok. But we're really, really loud.
The majority has spoken! There is a reason just about every thread since PSA changed their grading standards have had some degree of this going on.
Successful card BST transactions with cbcnow, brogurt, gstarling, Bravesfan 007, and rajah 424.
This thread is about my personal journey to build a Hobby First Collection ripped from packs and vending that otherwise would likely not be opened. I don't mind a little discussion about grading but it doesn't need to dominate and I for sure don't want people getting on each other and creating hard feelings. I have more to open and intend to keep this thread going and want it to be as positive and fun as possible.
Don't forget to just enjoy the cards no matter what they grade
This 77 year old masterpiece is a POP 2 with only 2 HIGHER
^ Red is the color most prone to fading and on yours they are rich, deep and vibrant. Totally speculator! For future generations, keep it behind some UV glass
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Not even a minute do I buy the whole buh buh buh I'm a man-child japery - Me (2025)
Wow the colors could not get better and those snowy white backs. Simply amazing. Congrats.
Amazing! I think for context, showing an aged card next to some of these pack fresh pulls would further explain just how extraordinary these cards are, and remind us of what they looked like 70 years ago as they were being pulled from fresh packs. Thanks for sharing!
kevin
Awesome card. What's the value for a card like this? I have no knowledge of these cards. Let's say you put this on EBAY what's your guess on the high bid?
You gotta love the narrative on the back of the cards. Settlers were sleeping peacefully and the Indians were the bad guys.....
well said. i enjoy all of your cards no matter if they are graded or not. keep them going.
I know sports but most of the non sports, especially with the older ones, my knowledge is lacking. Why are they labeled as RE-ISSUE on the flips? When were they issued before, and what is the difference?
Not really sure.....$100 ??? maybe more ??
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Here's the Surprise Attack card from the original 1933 issue...
Thank you for the explanation and write up. If I ever come across this issue I will not look stupid going to google and hunting for the info. Great cards BTW!
I learned from you asking. Good stuff!! Thanks!!
Let's open a pack!!
Can anyone guess the year and sport.....???
Burlap. '68 Topps Baseball. What did I win?
That was FAST!! Quick Draw McGraw!!
Hope you pull a Tom Seaver, Willie Mays, Rod Carew or a Bob Gibson good luck!!!
Liberty Seated Half Dollars
Series 1 is #1 to #109 correct?
Liberty Seated Half Dollars
1 to 109
Every cello pack I get with an OC front card, the rest of them are OC. Looks like you did well with centering with this one. Good luck!
Just stumbled upon an empty box up for auction.
For vintage topps packs That usually only happens for up to 6 cards.
Is Seaver card 6 or Javier?
Current obsession, all things Topps 1969 - 1972
Pinson in the 20hr/20sb/20years old club.