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  • JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tim- You have PLENTY of time to find some nice items to submit.

    When I was a kid I spent my summers is Northern Minnesota in the 1960's. Both of my parents were school teachers; we had a cabin on a lake. I used to go fishing for Walleye's with my Dad. We would catch a lot of fish, but only keep what we were going to eat that day. Dad considered a Walleye about 2 lbs. and up a "keeper". If a fish was smaller Dad would say "throw it back".

    In early January I purchased a raw 1911 Barber Half on eBay. It was blast white (obviously dipped in the past), but otherwise looked great. It was clearly uncirculated and didn't have any distracting marks. I already had an MS 63 in my regular Barber Half set, but I was looking for an upgrade. I thought it looked like at least a 63 and hopefully a 64.

    Off it went to our hosts for grading. Last week the coin returned in a MS 62 holder. I was reminded of fishing with Dad when I learned the grade. The new purchase wasn't an upgrade for my set; time to "throw it back" (as in sell it).


    It's a nice coin, but it doesn't fit into my collection.

    I love them Barber Halves.....
  • seduloussedulous Posts: 3,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JeffMTampa said:
    Tim- You have PLENTY of time to find some nice items to submit.

    When I was a kid I spent my summers is Northern Minnesota in the 1960's. Both of my parents were school teachers; we had a cabin on a lake. I used to go fishing for Walleye's with my Dad. We would catch a lot of fish, but only keep what we were going to eat that day. Dad considered a Walleye about 2 lbs. and up a "keeper". If a fish was smaller Dad would say "throw it back".

    In early January I purchased a raw 1911 Barber Half on eBay. It was blast white (obviously dipped in the past), but otherwise looked great. It was clearly uncirculated and didn't have any distracting marks. I already had an MS 63 in my regular Barber Half set, but I was looking for an upgrade. I thought it looked like at least a 63 and hopefully a 64.

    Off it went to our hosts for grading. Last week the coin returned in a MS 62 holder. I was reminded of fishing with Dad when I learned the grade. The new purchase wasn't an upgrade for my set; time to "throw it back" (as in sell it).


    It's a nice coin, but it doesn't fit into my collection.

    In the last year I have made a good number of submissions. I should say, ever since Mark Salzburg of NGC wrote that scathing (ok, competitive) article stating how PCGS has been conducting an exercise of inflating submission grades, we have seen a PCGS leadership change and the grade results have been a grade-lower than what I believe an accurate grade should be in a number of cases. @JeffMTampa 1911-P Half may be a case in point.

    A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.

  • JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I feel like I'm "hogging" the thread with all my posts recently. Are Tim and I the only Barber Megathread followers still alive?

    Here's another recent purchase, a 1909 S Barber Quarter in a PC AU 58 holder:


    Purchased from J. J. Teaparty.

    I love them Barber Halves.....
  • Eldorado9Eldorado9 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hey Guys....I'm new around here...Big fan of Barber coinage since the early 90's. OK, for the experts here....Take a look at this coin, and tell me if you believe it is natural...and how you would grade it....No looking at the cert....

  • JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's a beauty, and a tough date to boot.

    The toning looks natural to me; I'm guessing an MS 65. Now I'll look it up to see how close I came. Thanks for posting that beauty!

    I love them Barber Halves.....
  • NicNic Posts: 3,363 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JeffMTampa said:
    Tim- You have PLENTY of time to find some nice items to submit.

    When I was a kid I spent my summers is Northern Minnesota in the 1960's. Both of my parents were school teachers; we had a cabin on a lake. I used to go fishing for Walleye's with my Dad. We would catch a lot of fish, but only keep what we were going to eat that day. Dad considered a Walleye about 2 lbs. and up a "keeper". If a fish was smaller Dad would say "throw it back".

    In early January I purchased a raw 1911 Barber Half on eBay. It was blast white (obviously dipped in the past), but otherwise looked great. It was clearly uncirculated and didn't have any distracting marks. I already had an MS 63 in my regular Barber Half set, but I was looking for an upgrade. I thought it looked like at least a 63 and hopefully a 64.

    Off it went to our hosts for grading. Last week the coin returned in a MS 62 holder. I was reminded of fishing with Dad when I learned the grade. The new purchase wasn't an upgrade for my set; time to "throw it back" (as in sell it).


    It's a nice coin, but it doesn't fit into my collection.

    If you still live in Tampa we should meet sometime. Not hogging thread at all.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 4, 2020 2:16PM

    Jeff! From the pictures that coin looks like a 67! Now I'll go look!

    Edit to add...well we might make a good team if you average our opinions! ;)

    @JeffMTampa said:
    That's a beauty, and a tough date to boot.

    The toning looks natural to me; I'm guessing an MS 65. Now I'll look it up to see how close I came. Thanks for posting that beauty!

  • JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Nic said:

    @JeffMTampa said:
    Tim- You have PLENTY of time to find some nice items to submit.

    When I was a kid I spent my summers is Northern Minnesota in the 1960's. Both of my parents were school teachers; we had a cabin on a lake. I used to go fishing for Walleye's with my Dad. We would catch a lot of fish, but only keep what we were going to eat that day. Dad considered a Walleye about 2 lbs. and up a "keeper". If a fish was smaller Dad would say "throw it back".

    In early January I purchased a raw 1911 Barber Half on eBay. It was blast white (obviously dipped in the past), but otherwise looked great. It was clearly uncirculated and didn't have any distracting marks. I already had an MS 63 in my regular Barber Half set, but I was looking for an upgrade. I thought it looked like at least a 63 and hopefully a 64.

    Off it went to our hosts for grading. Last week the coin returned in a MS 62 holder. I was reminded of fishing with Dad when I learned the grade. The new purchase wasn't an upgrade for my set; time to "throw it back" (as in sell it).

    for

    It's a nice coin, but it doesn't fit into my collection.

    If you still live in Tampa we should meet sometime. Not hogging thread at all.

    Nic-

    That's a keeper Walleye- about 3 lbs.? Your sweatshirt says Iowa but the fish looks like one from Northern Minnesota.

    I've been in Tampa for 34 years; you?

    I love them Barber Halves.....
  • No HeadlightsNo Headlights Posts: 2,051 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JeffMTampa said:

    @Nic said:

    @JeffMTampa said:
    Tim- You have PLENTY of time to find some nice items to submit.

    When I was a kid I spent my summers is Northern Minnesota in the 1960's. Both of my parents were school teachers; we had a cabin on a lake. I used to go fishing for Walleye's with my Dad. We would catch a lot of fish, but only keep what we were going to eat that day. Dad considered a Walleye about 2 lbs. and up a "keeper". If a fish was smaller Dad would say "throw it back".

    In early January I purchased a raw 1911 Barber Half on eBay. It was blast white (obviously dipped in the past), but otherwise looked great. It was clearly uncirculated and didn't have any distracting marks. I already had an MS 63 in my regular Barber Half set, but I was looking for an upgrade. I thought it looked like at least a 63 and hopefully a 64.

    Off it went to our hosts for grading. Last week the coin returned in a MS 62 holder. I was reminded of fishing with Dad when I learned the grade. The new purchase wasn't an upgrade for my set; time to "throw it back" (as in sell it).

    for

    It's a nice coin, but it doesn't fit into my collection.

    If you still live in Tampa we should meet sometime. Not hogging thread at all.

    Nic-

    That's a keeper Walleye- about 3 lbs.? Your sweatshirt says Iowa but the fish looks like one from Northern Minnesota.

    I've been in Tampa for 34 years; you?

    Go Hawks!

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice Barbers guys. I just won a 1893/2 PCGS63 Dime last night in the GC auction. Haven't got it yet. Will post later when in hand.

    By the way my PCGS58 1893/2 will be for sale soon! :)

  • Eldorado9Eldorado9 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JeffMTampa said:
    That's a beauty, and a tough date to boot.

    The toning looks natural to me; I'm guessing an MS 65. Now I'll look it up to see how close I came. Thanks for posting that beauty!

    It's in a MS-66 holder w CAC sticker...... looks pretty stunning in the photo. When I had it in hand, I felt that the luster was "off". The rim toning did look natural, and had all the hall marks of natural toning. I came to the conclusion that the entire coin was toned at one point...It was probably a nice original, yet dark coin, and that perhaps the centers had been wiped clean with a solvent to give the coin the appearance of a rim toned gem. I could be dead wrong.....It was hard to tell.....The luster just looked too hot to me.

  • Eldorado9Eldorado9 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here are a couple recent additions to my Barber Halves.....

  • JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Unless someone's invented a toning "air brush" your '09 S is all natural, baby.

    I love them Barber Halves.....
  • Eldorado9Eldorado9 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JeffMTampa said:
    Unless someone's invented a toning "air brush" your '09 S is all natural, baby.

    Haha....I wouldn't put it past them! Thanks Jeff, I'm being paranoid again! Happy Barber collecting....

  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Eldorado9 said:
    Hey Guys....I'm new around here...Big fan of Barber coinage since the early 90's. OK, for the experts here....Take a look at this coin, and tell me if you believe it is natural...and how you would grade it....No looking at the cert....

    I must've missed this one- looks superb! I agree with you - you're just being paranoid. That is one heckuva nice looking half.

  • seduloussedulous Posts: 3,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Eldorado9 Looks high-end uncirculated. No way it could be AT.

    A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.

  • seduloussedulous Posts: 3,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 5, 2020 7:15AM

    @JeffMTampa said:
    Unless someone's invented a toning "air brush" your '09 S is all natural, baby.

    Luster does come through on occasion to that level with Philly issues. It is not a regular thing. Nice coin! After checking... WOW, MS66? once again, nice

    A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.

  • Eldorado9Eldorado9 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks guys...Appreciate the responses. I am still developing my eye for mint state coins, having been primarily a collector of proof type material in the past. Lot's to learn....always....Hard these days, typically I would go to shows and look at tons of coins....That ain't gonna happen! Here are my Barber Proofs, as you can see, I have some serious competition! Just made it past 50% completion recently.....Tough set!!!

    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/half-dollars/barber-half-dollars-major-sets/barber-half-dollars-proof-1892-1915-cac/7585

  • JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Eldorado9 said:
    Thanks guys...Appreciate the responses. I am still developing my eye for mint state coins, having been primarily a collector of proof type material in the past. Lot's to learn....always....Hard these days, typically I would go to shows and look at tons of coins....That ain't gonna happen! Here are my Barber Proofs, as you can see, I have some serious competition! Just made it past 50% completion recently.....Tough set!!!

    You have a lot of lookers there.....

    I love them Barber Halves.....
  • NicNic Posts: 3,363 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Jeff: In Sarasota 30 years. I'm from Iowa and that's my kid in his 2019 college interview sweatshirt. Ontario fish, 21", and released to spawn. Notice the northern bite/hash mark on the fishes back?

    No Headlights: Go hawks.

    Eldorado: Nice coins.

    My favorite Barber. Posted before. Old low res pics from my point and shoot.


  • No HeadlightsNo Headlights Posts: 2,051 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Nic said:
    Jeff: In Sarasota 30 years. I'm from Iowa and that's my kid in his 2019 college interview sweatshirt. Ontario fish, 21", and released to spawn. Notice the northern bite/hash mark on the fishes back?

    No Headlights: Go hawks.

    Eldorado: Nice coins.

    My favorite Barber. Posted before. Old low res pics from my point and shoot.


    That’s a nice Walleye. We get up to Canada a couple times a year

    Love it. Great Lake for Walleyes

  • Eldorado9Eldorado9 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Nic said:
    Jeff: In Sarasota 30 years. I'm from Iowa and that's my kid in his 2019 college interview sweatshirt. Ontario fish, 21", and released to spawn. Notice the northern bite/hash mark on the fishes back?

    No Headlights: Go hawks.

    Eldorado: Nice coins.

    My favorite Barber. Posted before. Old low res pics from my point and shoot.


    Hey Nic, OK, that 1892 quarter....Forget about it! That coin is off the freaking chart awesome. I want it! BTW that is the Pogue coin, and it is for sale for a ridiculous amount of money.

  • JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JeffMTampa said:


    I'm thinking I can make my '11 Half look like Nic's if I get out a box of Crayola Crayons.....

    I love them Barber Halves.....
  • Eldorado9Eldorado9 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JeffMTampa said:

    @JeffMTampa said:


    I'm thinking I can make my '11 Half look like Nic's if I get out a box of Crayola Crayons.....

    Not a chance, only God and Monet are that good with color!

  • Eldorado9Eldorado9 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Eldorado9 said:

    @JeffMTampa said:

    @JeffMTampa said:


    I'm thinking I can make my '11 Half look like Nic's if I get out a box of Crayola Crayons.....

    Not a chance, only God and Monet are that good with color!

    PS...Stacks has that 1892 above listed at $11,500.00!!!!!! Coinfacts= $3,000.00!!!!

  • NicNic Posts: 3,363 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Eldorado9 said:

    @Eldorado9 said:

    @JeffMTampa said:

    @JeffMTampa said:


    I'm thinking I can make my '11 Half look like Nic's if I get out a box of Crayola Crayons.....

    Not a chance, only God and Monet are that good with color!

    PS...Stacks has that 1892 above listed at $11,500.00!!!!!! Coinfacts= $3,000.00!!!!

    Eldorado9, My half is not the former Sunnywood/Pogue quarter and is not for sale.

  • Eldorado9Eldorado9 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Nic said:

    @Eldorado9 said:

    @Eldorado9 said:

    @JeffMTampa said:

    @JeffMTampa said:


    I'm thinking I can make my '11 Half look like Nic's if I get out a box of Crayola Crayons.....

    Not a chance, only God and Monet are that good with color!

    PS...Stacks has that 1892 above listed at $11,500.00!!!!!! Coinfacts= $3,000.00!!!!

    Eldorado9, My half is not the former Sunnywood/Pogue quarter and is not for sale.

    Nic, wow I really got confused there for a sec. Your half, which I love, is very similar to the Pogue 1892 25c.....They are almost twins. Love your Half!

  • Eldorado9Eldorado9 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Eldorado9 said:

    @Nic said:

    @Eldorado9 said:

    @Eldorado9 said:

    @JeffMTampa said:

    @JeffMTampa said:


    I'm thinking I can make my '11 Half look like Nic's if I get out a box of Crayola Crayons.....

    Not a chance, only God and Monet are that good with color!

    PS...Stacks has that 1892 above listed at $11,500.00!!!!!! Coinfacts= $3,000.00!!!!

    Eldorado9, My half is not the former Sunnywood/Pogue quarter and is not for sale.

    Nic, wow I really got confused there for a sec. Your half, which I love, is very similar to the Pogue 1892 25c.....They are almost twins. Love your Half!

    Here is the Pogue 1892 25c....Very close! What a pair those would make!

  • seduloussedulous Posts: 3,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 7, 2020 2:52AM

    @Eldorado9 @Nic What really gets me thinking is that both 1892 beautifully toned coins could be from the same originating source (earlier than Pogue). What a great pair of Barbers!

    In the mean time, JRM is sending me this to further beef-up the Sedulous registry. It really is a great coin so thank you Jeff. Much appreciated. '09-S quarter in XF:

    • Tim

    A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.

  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JeffMTampa said:
    I found a few nice raw Barbers early this year and submitted them for grading in mid February. They arrived back home from our hosts today. Here's a tougher date I'm very happy with, a 1908 S Quarter now in an AU 58 holder:


    I like the blueish tone of this coin. It upgrades a VF 35 I've had in my set for many years. The 35 is going up for sale

    really nice, underrated date

    Frank

    BHNC #203

  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @sedulous said:
    The 1907-S quarter is a tougher date than many realize. I wish I can find more quality offerings in the XF to AU range. This low-end VF (close to a borderline as a F15) will have to do for now:

    • T

    agreed, very tough date, my best is a nice VF

    Frank

    BHNC #203

  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @sedulous said:
    Like the '07-S, another bit of a tougher date is the '11-D... This one NGC-graded

    • Tim

    much tougher date.
    nice

    Frank

    BHNC #203

  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Eldorado9 said:
    Hey Guys....I'm new around here...Big fan of Barber coinage since the early 90's. OK, for the experts here....Take a look at this coin, and tell me if you believe it is natural...and how you would grade it....No looking at the cert....

    looks good to me.

    I like it, but since you asked I presume they AT'd it.

    Frank

    BHNC #203

  • Eldorado9Eldorado9 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Frosty!

  • No HeadlightsNo Headlights Posts: 2,051 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pete Shireman has a great eye for Barbers

  • Eldorado9Eldorado9 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @No Headlights said:
    Pete Shireman has a great eye for Barbers

    I'll say....His collection was an amazing accomplishment....Those coins are a "who's who" of Barbers!

  • Eldorado9Eldorado9 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is the other one I really like:



  • seduloussedulous Posts: 3,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 7, 2020 8:25PM

    @Eldorado9 said:
    Here is the other one I really like:



    @Eldorado9 daaaannngggg! Both '08 and '00 S coins are jaw dropping

    A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.

  • JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So THAT'S what they're supposed to look like.....

    I love them Barber Halves.....
  • JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    After the thread has recently been featuring amazing coins (with amazing price tags) it's back to the slums- sorry.

    Yesterday a box of crossover Barber Quarters was delivered. Here's a 1907 D Barber Quarter that I purchased in an ICG AU53 holder. It returned from PCGS in an AU53 holder as well:


    This coin replaces a XF45 in my set. For whatever reason the '07 D Quarter is a tough date to find in XF/ AU. In my view, this coin is what an AU53 Barber Quarter should look like.

    I love them Barber Halves.....
  • Eldorado9Eldorado9 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice upgrade Jeff! It's amazing how many barber dates are tough to find in the EF and AU range! They just were not saved at the time.

  • Eldorado9Eldorado9 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @sedulous said:

    @Eldorado9 said:
    Here is the other one I really like:



    @Eldorado9 daaaannngggg! Both '08 and '00 S coins are jaw dropping

    Thanks Sedulous!!!! They are pretty freakin nice. Here is one more I recently got, I needed the 1903 for my proof set and this one had been hidden away for a while by a major dealer.....It's not for everyone, but I love it.

  • JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No wonder we can’t find great looking Barber’s in the market; @Eldorado9 has them all!

    I love them Barber Halves.....
  • Eldorado9Eldorado9 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JeffMTampa said:
    No wonder we can’t find great looking Barber’s in the market; @Eldorado9 has them all!

    Too Kind Jeff! Actually it seems really hard to find truly nice material these days....Especially proof Barber halves. All the really good one's are impounded in a handful of Registry sets, or just locked up somewhere. We def. share an affinity for the Barber's.....I think I loved them from when I was a kid.

  • Eldorado9Eldorado9 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    On that toned 1903 above, I call her Lady Liberty, Sub-Saharan edition!

  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Eldorado9 said:

    @sedulous said:

    @Eldorado9 said:
    Here is the other one I really like:



    @Eldorado9 daaaannngggg! Both '08 and '00 S coins are jaw dropping

    Thanks Sedulous!!!! They are pretty freakin nice. Here is one more I recently got, I needed the 1903 for my proof set and this one had been hidden away for a while by a major dealer.....It's not for everyone, but I love it.

    beautiful!

    Amazing

    Frank

    BHNC #203

  • Eldorado9Eldorado9 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Treashunt said:

    @Eldorado9 said:

    @sedulous said:

    @Eldorado9 said:
    Here is the other one I really like:



    @Eldorado9 daaaannngggg! Both '08 and '00 S coins are jaw dropping

    Thanks Sedulous!!!! They are pretty freakin nice. Here is one more I recently got, I needed the 1903 for my proof set and this one had been hidden away for a while by a major dealer.....It's not for everyone, but I love it.

    beautiful!

    Amazing

    Thanks Frank!!!!! Here are a couple more from my Reg. set....I love color!



  • Labelman87Labelman87 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭✭

    Real clean 09-S Quarter Tim....Nice.

    Craig


  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭✭✭

    OOOOH @Eldorado9 those are gorgeous!

  • seduloussedulous Posts: 3,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Eldorado9 said:

    @Treashunt said:

    @Eldorado9 said:

    @sedulous said:

    @Eldorado9 said:
    Here is the other one I really like:



    @Eldorado9 daaaannngggg! Both '08 and '00 S coins are jaw dropping

    Thanks Sedulous!!!! They are pretty freakin nice. Here is one more I recently got, I needed the 1903 for my proof set and this one had been hidden away for a while by a major dealer.....It's not for everyone, but I love it.

    beautiful!

    Amazing

    Thanks Frank!!!!! Here are a couple more from my Reg. set....I love color!



    Uh, uh, uh (drool) 🤪

    A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.

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