I'll let wondercoin speak for himself. But, as I say, he's right down the road from PCGS. He could have opened the boxes right in front of them and screened them there if he wanted (and they let him).
He also could have submitted some of his thousands of coins sealed. Or he might have just misspoken. As I said, the ones his son is selling are First Strike not FDOI.
Fox9487... feel free to ask a serious question anytime.
A small % of my slabbed coins will be FDI. The vast majority FS.
Also, in the case of the MS68PL... I just offered someone an FDI coin for $10 more than a FS! I might not do that forever, but I was ok with it. Justin has them priced about $80-$100 apart in his ads speaking “apples to apples”. So, far he has sold only FS coins (unless the guy took the FDI for $10 more). I don’t have any interest in asking a huge premium for one vs the other in the case of RS coins - at least as of today!
Good answer?
Wondercoin
Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.
No, he didn't. Not in any post of his I see. Someone else mentioned FDOI. In fact, Monster Coin Mart is selling First STrike 68s not FDOI.
look again
You are late, we've already sorted this out.
and the answer is
he said it on the 24th. But again, he's right down the street, he can walk them over and open them right there if he wants. He also could bulk submit the sealed boxes. He had a couple thousand sets.
Jmlanzaf... of course FDI were submitted first, so we got back those orders first. Followed by FS orders many of which are still in the system. So, Justin has both FDI and FS Coins on eBay. Will the FDI prove to be a better value for buyers a year from now at maybe a 10% premium today? Anyone’s guess.
Wondercoin
Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.
help me out here. if I buy 10,000 sets and you buy 10,000 sets and you walk yours down the street for grading and I send mine Ups from the north coast, are we both entitled to the FDOI attribute? Where is the cut of point?
@WAYNEAS said:
help me out here. if I buy 10,000 sets and you buy 10,000 sets and you walk yours down the street for grading and I send mine Ups from the north coast, are we both entitled to the FDOI attribute? Where is the cut of point?
FDOI is ONLY for correct by hemi, bulk submitters.
I have learned that FDOI is not that important to me it’s the coin and not the slab.
@Hemispherical said:
Make sure you have the bill of sale. Receipt from the Mint.
Ok so the bill of sale allows me the fdoi attribute
Yes, but if your planning on buying that many coins/sets from the Mint and want FDOI then it would be best to call our host to find out if they are going to do FDOI for the coin/set.
I know that I am pushing this, but if you buy the first 10,000 sets on the initial day of release and then I buy my 10,000 sets with in the last 30 days of release, I am still entitled to the fdoi attribute. Here I am only trying to learn.
@WAYNEAS said:
help me out here. if I buy 10,000 sets and you buy 10,000 sets and you walk yours down the street for grading and I send mine Ups from the north coast, are we both entitled to the FDOI attribute? Where is the cut of point?
FDOI is ONLY for dealers. If you are not a dealer you have to buy from a dealer. I am NOT a dealer so PCGS will NOT give me that option. I even offered $200.00 over for each coin but they said NOPE! I could not even bribe them. Now if you do not like that your beef is with PCGS.
That is what PCGS told me a year ago. However Wondercoin will submit for you as he has said here that he has for members here. That makes him a special dealer. All my FDOI coins came from a BIG NAMED DEALER. Now they won’t stop calling me!
I have learned that FDOI is not that important to me it’s the coin and not the slab.
I agree with the FDOI not being important for you or me. I am just trying to understand how the system works. I do not hold any malice against any one following the rules. It is nice to see that good people will submit coins for you. I think that they call this piggy backing, but am not sure. There is so much that I don't know about the way things are done and really look forward to being enlightened by those who know and are willing to share. I am not a member of PCGS but do have several registry sets in the top 10. I just asked PCGS today if there is any special consideration given to registry set owners. I would love to have several of my coins re-slabbed but it is not worth the price to become a member to do so. I await their response. Again thanks for your insight.
@Hemispherical said:
Wow! 69PL is going (or has) for moon $$.
I think that I created this frenzy when I posted that I wanted to buy a rocket in ms70pl. lol. Words to myself " keep silent and see what is happening" lol again.
@wondercoin said:
Fox9487... feel free to ask a serious question anytime.
A small % of my slabbed coins will be FDI. The vast majority FS.
Also, in the case of the MS68PL... I just offered someone an FDI coin for $10 more than a FS! I might not do that forever, but I was ok with it. Justin has them priced about $80-$100 apart in his ads speaking “apples to apples”. So, far he has sold only FS coins (unless the guy took the FDI for $10 more). I don’t have any interest in asking a huge premium for one vs the other in the case of RS coins - at least as of today!
Good answer?
Wondercoin
"Good answer?" Actually, no. Question was not answered at all. I get that you live down the street from host headquarters but overnights from mint actually......
All I saw in your "answer" was a "promo" to sell some coins. Maybe your answer would be better served in the BST.
Earlier in this thread, a member was offering a couple sets to kids. FREE!
Wonder how is Japan? I been there maybe 25 years ago visiting all my relative. One of my most memorable times. I hope your having a wonderful time. So many beautiful people there.
Japan is always wonderful. Was there for a few weeks back in late October/ early November... this time in Tokyo. Great weather that time of year. The city is gearing up for the 2020 Summer Olympics. I was able to buy my 2020 Olympic shirts, etc. a year and a half early! My favorite city though is Kyoto. Charming.
I flew out this trip to Hong Kong in connection with the Stacks auction that just took place this week. I also have a wedding to attend in Cambodia and a few other things to accomplish out this way. Cambodia is another fascinating country filled with wonderful people. No money exchange needed. They take USD.
Wondercoin.
Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.
Thanks for sharing wonder. I to love Kyoto such an interesting city and culture. My mom is from Kawasaki quite the throw back in time walking through the shops. Have a great time.
@WALLE said:
Are the rocket ships Sold Out? Looking at the mints website under Kids they don't show, but under Product Schedule they still show unavailable.
@Tetromibi said:
My grades on my first 8 (sent sans rocketship) posted. All 67's and 68's with NO PL designation. So the only way to get the designation is to send in the rocket.
Good thing we had an insider to pass along the PL information...otherwise all of mine would have gone without the rocket.
Was there even a formal announcement about it?
Well, I did send a few Rocketship sets intact thru the modern service..
grades posted. No PL designation however they are labeled Rocketship set First Strike
Guess I have the only few Non PL Kennedy's produced and inserted into the rocketship sets.
NOT !!!!!! Absolutely @#%*&^%% &$
@Tetromibi said:
My grades on my first 8 (sent sans rocketship) posted. All 67's and 68's with NO PL designation. So the only way to get the designation is to send in the rocket.
Good thing we had an insider to pass along the PL information...otherwise all of mine would have gone without the rocket.
Was there even a formal announcement about it?
Well, I did send a few Rocketship sets intact thru the modern service..
grades posted. No PL designation however they are labeled Rocketship set First Strike
Guess I have the only few Non PL Kennedy's produced and inserted into the rocketship sets.
NOT !!!!!! Absolutely @#%*&^%% &$
@Tetromibi said:
My grades on my first 8 (sent sans rocketship) posted. All 67's and 68's with NO PL designation. So the only way to get the designation is to send in the rocket.
Good thing we had an insider to pass along the PL information...otherwise all of mine would have gone without the rocket.
Was there even a formal announcement about it?
Well, I did send a few Rocketship sets intact thru the modern service..
grades posted. No PL designation however they are labeled Rocketship set First Strike
Guess I have the only few Non PL Kennedy's produced and inserted into the rocketship sets.
NOT !!!!!! Absolutely @#%*&^%% &$
Congrats Mas I am sure many are not brave enough to come here and post that. I am sure I will be following your steps, but hope that I get a PL70!
FYI: Justin has sold a few in the past day on eBay at less than half that amount (and 1 at a bit more than half). FDI coins. Not sure if you are referring to FDI or FS. For that matter, you might be referring to NGC graded.
Wondercoin.
Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.
@wondercoin
Yes, I've been watching those listings. Unfortunately, I can't afford that at the moment. I'm torn whether I should take the plunge or wait until there's more clarity surrounding the uniqueness of this coin. The scheduled release of the Uncirculated Coin Set on May 14th has me a little hesitant in going all in on this coin.
@mas3387
thanks - I was wondering if I was doing something wrong while trying to look up this coin at NGC. Big price drop of that coin on eBay -- still way out of reach for me at the moment.
@DotStore said: @wondercoin
Yes, I've been watching those listings. Unfortunately, I can't afford that at the moment. I'm torn whether I should take the plunge or wait until there's more clarity surrounding the uniqueness of this coin. The scheduled release of the Uncirculated Coin Set on May 14th has me a little hesitant in going all in on this coin.
There is nothing unique about the coin. There may end up being something unique about the slab. But you have to want to collect plastic.
I would encourage you to look at the price of an MS70 Block Island quarter now and when they first came out.
When Justin was accepting offers in the range he has been (and listing them well under the $2,000-$2,500 range of the competitor grading company coins) I am fairly confident a “correction” of some sort had been built in to the numbers. It might be way too tiny a correction (or too much)... time will tell.
There is an open bid for a PCGS 69PL FS (not my coin) with some days to go sitting at under $500. It should be interesting what that coin fetches in a true auction as well. The price of the BIN PCGS 69s has been rising, not dropping, which should help that open bid auction.
Just my 2 cents.
Wondercoin.
Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.
Hey Guys don't make fun of my listing. I put it up at an aspirational price because I wanted to get some feedback on the pictures before I auctioned it. Anyone want to comment on the actual coin as opposed to the price/label.
When Justin was accepting offers in the range he has been (and listing them well under the $2,000-$2,500 range of the competitor grading company coins) I am fairly confident a “correction” of some sort had been built in to the numbers. It might be way too tiny a correction (or too much)... time will tell.
There is an open bid for a PCGS 69PL FS (not my coin) with some days to go sitting at under $500. It should be interesting what that coin fetches in a true auction as well. The price of the BIN PCGS 69s has been rising, not dropping, which should help that open bid auction.
Just my 2 cents.
Wondercoin.
Do you know anything definitive about the use of the PL designation on non-rocket Kennedys? That's really the wildcard here. If they use it on Mint Set Kennedys, the population is going to go up faster than the price. If they are only going to use it on rocket coins, they've essentially created a rather odd rarity with only 50,000 rockets it would make 2019-D rocket coins the RAREST business strike Kennedy by a mile. [I mean, if you consider a 2019-D rocket Kennedy as a separate issue from the Mint Set coins which the slab would.]
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You are still very late. Scroll up.
you guys are quick
Kennedys are my quest...
I'll let wondercoin speak for himself. But, as I say, he's right down the road from PCGS. He could have opened the boxes right in front of them and screened them there if he wanted (and they let him).
He also could have submitted some of his thousands of coins sealed. Or he might have just misspoken. As I said, the ones his son is selling are First Strike not FDOI.
Although here's one:
https://ebay.com/itm/2019-D-Kennedy-Half-Dollar-PCGS-MS67PL-FIRST-DAY-OF-ISSUE-ROCKETSHIP-SET/163619576021?hash=item26187c98d5:g:OcwAAOSwpHtcm91q
Fox9487... feel free to ask a serious question anytime.
A small % of my slabbed coins will be FDI. The vast majority FS.
Also, in the case of the MS68PL... I just offered someone an FDI coin for $10 more than a FS! I might not do that forever, but I was ok with it. Justin has them priced about $80-$100 apart in his ads speaking “apples to apples”. So, far he has sold only FS coins (unless the guy took the FDI for $10 more). I don’t have any interest in asking a huge premium for one vs the other in the case of RS coins - at least as of today!
Good answer?
Wondercoin
and the answer is
Kennedys are my quest...
That’s an old link:
https://www.pcgs.com/services/firstdayofissue
There are FDOI slabs later than what’s listed in the link.
he said it on the 24th. But again, he's right down the street, he can walk them over and open them right there if he wants. He also could bulk submit the sealed boxes. He had a couple thousand sets.
Jmlanzaf... of course FDI were submitted first, so we got back those orders first. Followed by FS orders many of which are still in the system. So, Justin has both FDI and FS Coins on eBay. Will the FDI prove to be a better value for buyers a year from now at maybe a 10% premium today? Anyone’s guess.
Wondercoin
I know, but I couldn't find dates for the newer coins and I really didn't care to spend a lot of time on it.
help me out here. if I buy 10,000 sets and you buy 10,000 sets and you walk yours down the street for grading and I send mine Ups from the north coast, are we both entitled to the FDOI attribute? Where is the cut of point?
Kennedys are my quest...
Make sure you have the bill of sale. Receipt from the Mint.
Ok so the bill of sale allows me the fdoi attribute
Kennedys are my quest...
FDOI is ONLY for correct by hemi, bulk submitters.
I have learned that FDOI is not that important to me it’s the coin and not the slab.
Yes, but if your planning on buying that many coins/sets from the Mint and want FDOI then it would be best to call our host to find out if they are going to do FDOI for the coin/set.
I know that I am pushing this, but if you buy the first 10,000 sets on the initial day of release and then I buy my 10,000 sets with in the last 30 days of release, I am still entitled to the fdoi attribute. Here I am only trying to learn.
Kennedys are my quest...
FDOI on the first and FS on the second. Unless there is change. Always best to call CS.
Oh, and bulk submitters get a bit of price break; but you have to follow the rules.
https://www.pcgs.com/services/bulksubmissions
Thank you Hemispherical bulk submitters. I correct my statement.
I agree with the FDOI not being important for you or me. I am just trying to understand how the system works. I do not hold any malice against any one following the rules. It is nice to see that good people will submit coins for you. I think that they call this piggy backing, but am not sure. There is so much that I don't know about the way things are done and really look forward to being enlightened by those who know and are willing to share. I am not a member of PCGS but do have several registry sets in the top 10. I just asked PCGS today if there is any special consideration given to registry set owners. I would love to have several of my coins re-slabbed but it is not worth the price to become a member to do so. I await their response. Again thanks for your insight.
Kennedys are my quest...
Wow! 69PL is going (or has) for moon $$.
Tomorrow marks the last day to submit for FS designation. Do you get it if the postmarked date is March 28th?
I think that I created this frenzy when I posted that I wanted to buy a rocket in ms70pl. lol. Words to myself " keep silent and see what is happening" lol again.
Kennedys are my quest...
I have mailed on the last day and received FS. Procrastination and trying to pack multi-submissions in one out-going mailing is my problem.
In a chartreuse mini bus lol ( just showing my age) lol
Kennedys are my quest...
"Good answer?" Actually, no. Question was not answered at all. I get that you live down the street from host headquarters but overnights from mint actually......
All I saw in your "answer" was a "promo" to sell some coins. Maybe your answer would be better served in the BST.
Earlier in this thread, a member was offering a couple sets to kids. FREE!
Cheers
Fox9487... welcome to the boards...
Sorry you were not satisfied with the response.
Wondercoin.
Wonder how is Japan? I been there maybe 25 years ago visiting all my relative. One of my most memorable times. I hope your having a wonderful time. So many beautiful people there.
Japan is always wonderful. Was there for a few weeks back in late October/ early November... this time in Tokyo. Great weather that time of year. The city is gearing up for the 2020 Summer Olympics. I was able to buy my 2020 Olympic shirts, etc. a year and a half early! My favorite city though is Kyoto. Charming.
I flew out this trip to Hong Kong in connection with the Stacks auction that just took place this week. I also have a wedding to attend in Cambodia and a few other things to accomplish out this way. Cambodia is another fascinating country filled with wonderful people. No money exchange needed. They take USD.
Wondercoin.
Thanks for sharing wonder. I to love Kyoto such an interesting city and culture. My mom is from Kawasaki quite the throw back in time walking through the shops. Have a great time.
Are the rocket ships Sold Out? Looking at the mints website under Kids they don't show, but under Product Schedule they still show unavailable.
Unavailable is the latest.
Well, I did send a few Rocketship sets intact thru the modern service..
grades posted. No PL designation however they are labeled Rocketship set First Strike
Guess I have the only few Non PL Kennedy's produced and inserted into the rocketship sets.
NOT !!!!!! Absolutely @#%*&^%% &$
understand your pain
Kennedys are my quest...
Congrats Mas I am sure many are not brave enough to come here and post that. I am sure I will be following your steps, but hope that I get a PL70!
My grades changed overnight. All halves were converted to rocketship, and PL was added.
Congrats @Tetromibi!
I see a + too.
Mine were shipped so guessing, I got the o'l too bad.....
Edited to add: Congratulations !!
It will be your Day, 2 MS70PL's !!!
1 for yourself and 1 to sell to Wondercoin
>
Jackpot!
Has anyone seen/heard of population reports for these at the other TPGs? I see on eBay an MS69 PL listed at $2,499 (wow!)
Dotstore...
FYI: Justin has sold a few in the past day on eBay at less than half that amount (and 1 at a bit more than half). FDI coins. Not sure if you are referring to FDI or FS. For that matter, you might be referring to NGC graded.
Wondercoin.
Nothing posted yet
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2019-D-50c-Kennedy-ProofLike-NGC-MS-69-PL-ROCKET-SHIP-SET-EARLY-Releases/264259097690?hash=item3d8711d45a:g:96gAAOSwEflcnSYg
Now only $1999.00
Selling for just as much as some $5 AGEs @ MS70.
Heck make that for any oz of gold.
@wondercoin
Yes, I've been watching those listings. Unfortunately, I can't afford that at the moment. I'm torn whether I should take the plunge or wait until there's more clarity surrounding the uniqueness of this coin. The scheduled release of the Uncirculated Coin Set on May 14th has me a little hesitant in going all in on this coin.
@mas3387
thanks - I was wondering if I was doing something wrong while trying to look up this coin at NGC. Big price drop of that coin on eBay -- still way out of reach for me at the moment.
There is nothing unique about the coin. There may end up being something unique about the slab. But you have to want to collect plastic.
I would encourage you to look at the price of an MS70 Block Island quarter now and when they first came out.
“Big price drop of that coin on eBay”... well, that’s one way of putting it! Lol.
Wondercoin
Jmlanzaf...
As always, sound suggestions.
When Justin was accepting offers in the range he has been (and listing them well under the $2,000-$2,500 range of the competitor grading company coins) I am fairly confident a “correction” of some sort had been built in to the numbers. It might be way too tiny a correction (or too much)... time will tell.
There is an open bid for a PCGS 69PL FS (not my coin) with some days to go sitting at under $500. It should be interesting what that coin fetches in a true auction as well. The price of the BIN PCGS 69s has been rising, not dropping, which should help that open bid auction.
Just my 2 cents.
Wondercoin.
Hey Guys don't make fun of my listing. I put it up at an aspirational price because I wanted to get some feedback on the pictures before I auctioned it. Anyone want to comment on the actual coin as opposed to the price/label.
Do you know anything definitive about the use of the PL designation on non-rocket Kennedys? That's really the wildcard here. If they use it on Mint Set Kennedys, the population is going to go up faster than the price. If they are only going to use it on rocket coins, they've essentially created a rather odd rarity with only 50,000 rockets it would make 2019-D rocket coins the RAREST business strike Kennedy by a mile. [I mean, if you consider a 2019-D rocket Kennedy as a separate issue from the Mint Set coins which the slab would.]