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  • DotStoreDotStore Posts: 702 ✭✭✭✭

    @jabba said:
    Why can’t I find thes on the Kennedy population report they are not listening the 2019 they being hidden another place and if anyone is interested my PL66&67 are available

    I found them in the COINFACTS section
    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts

    Search on ROCKET

  • jabbajabba Posts: 3,176 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DotStore said:

    @jabba said:
    Why can’t I find thes on the Kennedy population report they are not listening the 2019 they being hidden another place and if anyone is interested my PL66&67 are available

    I found them in the COINFACTS section
    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts

    Search on ROCKET

    Thanks I wonder why the are not in the regular pop report the Rocket sac are in there

  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jabba

    Main Coin Fact link to the Rocket Kennedy’s. After clicking the link, click on, “Show Related Coins and Varieties (13)” and select the one you are looking for.

    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/2019-d-50c-rocketship-set-pl/704876

    Select the “MS” or “Prooflike” tab to see pops.

  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hanson has caused Kennedy registries to changes due to Whitlow (buyout?).

    If you have a Kennedy registry you might want to go look.

  • GluggoGluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Hemispherical said:
    Hanson has caused Kennedy registries to changes due to Whitlow (buyout?).

    If you have a Kennedy registry you might want to go look.

    Can someone please ASK Whitlow to Buyout the Explore and Discover Coin Set 2019. o:)

  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Gluggo said:

    @Hemispherical said:
    Hanson has caused Kennedy registries to changes due to Whitlow (buyout?).

    If you have a Kennedy registry you might want to go look.

    Can someone please ASK Whitlow to Buyout the Explore and Discover Coin Set 2019. o:)

    Looks like DL Hansen bought out the Whitlow Collection.

    But that would be a sight to see if someone bought out the Discover set... sort of like what has happened to the rocketships. ;)

    These sets for the kids have taken a
    life of their own.

    Wonder what will happen when the coin and currency comes out later.

  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 16,904 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yep... with that enormous pocketbook, it took all of a few “pen strokes” to combine two top sets and move into a dead heat tie with me for first place in the MS Kennedy Date set (1964-date). I might as well enjoy the #1 status while I can. The next stroke of the pen, will likely have me “looking up” in perpetuity! Lol.

    Wondercoin.

    Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.
  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @wondercoin said:
    Yep... with that enormous pocketbook, it took all of a few “pen strokes” to combine two top sets and move into a dead heat tie with me for first place in the MS Kennedy Date set (1964-date). I might as well enjoy the #1 status while I can. The next stroke of the pen, will likely have me “looking up” in perpetuity! Lol.

    Wondercoin.

    Technically, you do have DLH beat, by time.

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,681 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @wondercoin said:
    Yep... with that enormous pocketbook, it took all of a few “pen strokes” to combine two top sets and move into a dead heat tie with me for first place in the MS Kennedy Date set (1964-date). I might as well enjoy the #1 status while I can. The next stroke of the pen, will likely have me “looking up” in perpetuity! Lol.

    Wondercoin.

    A quick question. Is there a reason that you do not have this set viewable to the public? No judgement here but as I am always in the learning mode, I am wondering if I should remove mine from public view.

    Kennedys are my quest...

  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 16,904 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 30, 2019 9:45AM

    Wayneas: Not really.

    There is a school of thought that believes if you are aggressively pursuing (or trying to maintain) the #1 position, that it is probably a good idea to keep your set closed. This way, no one can “run you up” on an important coin you need for your set. No one knows what you need.

    On the other hand, keeping your set open might better increase the chance someone actually offers you a coin you need to improve your set.

    10 pages could be easily written on your question.

    Wondercoin.

    Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.
  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,681 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @wondercoin said:
    Wayneas: Not really.

    There is a school of thought that believes if you are aggressively pursuing (or trying to maintain) the #1 position, that it is probably a good idea to keep your set closed. This way, no one can “run you up” on an important coin you need for your set. No one knows what you need.

    On the other hand, keeping you set open might better increase the chance someone actually offers you a coin you need to improve your set.

    10 pages could be easily written on your question.

    Wondercoin.

    Thanks so much.
    I do believe that viewing a set allows people to offer you an upgrade. A deal you can work out privately. I know how much I am willing to pay for a coin in advance especially at auction. I do guess though that if the coin is a Pop.1of 1, the price can dramatically increase in cost.
    Continued success in your search and keeping that #1 ranking.

    Kennedys are my quest...

  • TetromibiTetromibi Posts: 947 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 30, 2019 2:15PM

    Got my coins today. Even though they were changed in the system to rocketships with PL designations, the coins I received had plain inserts with no rocketship designation and no PL designation. I wonder how long this is going to take to correct.

    Then just realized that a quarterly special discount wasn't applied to another submission even though on the submission form.

    Guess some time will be spent on the phone on Monday with PCGS. :s

  • GluggoGluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tetromibi said:
    Got my coins today. Even though they were changed in the system to rocketships with PL designations, the coins I received had plain inserts with no rocketship designation and no PL designation. I wonder how long this is going to take to correct.

    Then just realized that a quarterly special discount wasn't applied to another submission even though on the submission form.

    Guess some time will be spent on the phone on Monday with PCGS. :s

    Ohhhh that’s Not good now when they fix it they will REGRADE Them for a 2nd time meaning your scores could lower. They did that to me I think to punish me. Went from a 70 to a 69 while they fixed their mistake. Hope that does not happen to you.

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,681 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Gluggo said:

    @Tetromibi said:
    Got my coins today. Even though they were changed in the system to rocketships with PL designations, the coins I received had plain inserts with no rocketship designation and no PL designation. I wonder how long this is going to take to correct.

    Then just realized that a quarterly special discount wasn't applied to another submission even though on the submission form.

    Guess some time will be spent on the phone on Monday with PCGS. :s

    Ohhhh that’s Not good now when they fix it they will REGRADE Them for a 2nd time meaning your scores could lower. They did that to me I think to punish me. Went from a 70 to a 69 while they fixed their mistake. Hope that does not happen to you.

    WOW!

    Kennedys are my quest...

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,069 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is it really a good idea to complain about our hosts on their forum? Especially BEFORE you've even contacted customer service.

  • PocketArtPocketArt Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Isn't the half dollar in this set a regular uncirculated half, as you'd find in a mint set? I didn't see in the item description on mint website that indicates otherwise...did I miss something? I understand some of these have a PL finish but so do some of those hammerd mint set halves. Not so certain if these will retain value if the case...shiny object syndrome?

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,069 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PocketArt said:
    Isn't the half dollar in this set a regular uncirculated half, as you'd find in a mint set? I didn't see in the item description on mint website that indicates otherwise...did I miss something? I understand some of these have a PL finish but so do some of those hammerd mint set halves. Not so certain if these will retain value if the case...shiny object syndrome?

    The half dollar in this set is a regular UNC half, same as a mint set. These were released before the Mint Set an PCGS, breaking with tradition, is slabbing them as PL. There's a bit of mania around it, probably at least partly because of registry set competition, to get a 69 PL into your set.

    It is unclear whether the Mint Set coins will also get PL designation, though wondercoin thinks they will. If the Mint Set coins are (inexplicably?) treated differently and don't get PL designation, then these remain different at least with respect to the plastic. If the Mint Set coins do get PL designation, then I expect a glut of 66, 67, and probably 68 PL coins by fall.

    But time will tell.

  • PocketArtPocketArt Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That explains it- thanks @jmlanzaf for bringing me up to date. I hadn't been following this thread because of my initial thoughts of the product; not seeing any potential modern rarities if there is such a thing..., I had just seen several of the graded halves on ebay, and in a panic, wondered what the heck I missed? Interesting PCGS is designating PL on these, and yes, one would think other 2019-D, P halves too. Agreed, time will tell.

  • TetromibiTetromibi Posts: 947 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Is it really a good idea to complain about our hosts on their forum? Especially BEFORE you've even contacted customer service.

    I don't think sharing an experience is complaining. I am legitimately curious how long this type of thing takes to correct. I assume these types of slip-ups happen from time to time with the volume they do.

    As for the missed quarterly special discount, it's something people should know to watch for. There are some that don't do their due diligence and take things on faith. Nobody is infallible, so it's something to keep in the back of your mind to watch for.

    Nothing can be done until Monday, and as stated, it will be addressed Monday. shrug

  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 16,904 ✭✭✭✭✭

    “It is unclear whether the Mint Set coins will also get PL designation, though wondercoin thinks they will. If the Mint Set coins are (inexplicably?) treated differently and don't get PL designation, then these remain different at least with respect to the plastic. If the Mint Set coins do get PL designation, then I expect a glut of 66, 67, and probably 68 PL coins by fall.”

    It is very unclear. My thought that all Mint State coins may likely ONE DAY, SOMEDAY get the designation certainly never suggested that would happen in less than (60) days when the 2019 Mint sets are released. Not to mention (for a reason I personally do not understand) my original comment was removed by our hosts. Hence, scratch that!

    Wondercoin.

    Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.
  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tetromibi said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Is it really a good idea to complain about our hosts on their forum? Especially BEFORE you've even contacted customer service.

    I don't think sharing an experience is complaining. I am legitimately curious how long this type of thing takes to correct. I assume these types of slip-ups happen from time to time with the volume they do.

    As for the missed quarterly special discount, it's something people should know to watch for. There are some that don't do their due diligence and take things on faith. Nobody is infallible, so it's something to keep in the back of your mind to watch for.

    Nothing can be done until Monday, and as stated, it will be addressed Monday. shrug

    Fairly quick fix for a mechanical error, mis-label.

    Call, explain, get an email with return shipping label, mail slabs back and wait for the corrected slabs. No out of pocket except gas to/from the PO.

    If you request anything else then that will/may costs $.

    For the quarterly special issue a call works.

    On a previous submission I had forgotten about the quarterly special and did not put it on the form, but to my surprise our hosts recalculated the costs and applied the discount.

  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 16,904 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tetromibi:

    About how many sets did you screen to get that nice result of (4) 67s and (4) 68s?

    Wondercoin.

    Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.
  • TetromibiTetromibi Posts: 947 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Hemispherical , Thank you!

  • GluggoGluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 30, 2019 3:54PM

    @Tetromibi said:
    I don't think sharing an experience is complaining. I am legitimately curious how long this type of thing takes to correct. I assume these types of slip-ups happen from time to time with the volume they do.

    As for the missed quarterly special discount, it's something people should know to watch for. There are some that don't do their due diligence and take things on faith. Nobody is infallible, so it's something to keep in the back of your mind to watch for.

    Nothing can be done until Monday, and as stated, it will be addressed Monday. shrug

    When you call Monday they will email you a return voucher you simply repack and attach the return prepaid address. Once the item is fixed they return the coin. Takes 10 to 21 days and you get your coin back.
    Now a days I ALWAYS CALL once my coin submission is complete to VERIFY they Got it RIGHT ZTHE 1st time. Saves me grief from past experienced Nightmares/Disasters.
    At least that was what I could remember from over 1 year ago in my case. I am afraid my memory is slowly loosing its functionality as the days go by.

  • TetromibiTetromibi Posts: 947 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @wondercoin said:
    Tetromibi:

    About how many sets did you screen to get that nice result of (4) 67s and (4) 68s?

    Wondercoin.

    My first batch of 100. Subsequent batches were not as good. Grading is still out, but I don't expect as good of results.

  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 16,904 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 30, 2019 4:20PM

    Thanks for sharing. Folks should not get too disappointed if their grading result was some MS65s and MS66’s (with an occasional MS67) unless they screened a bunch of sets. IF our personal screening was any indication, roughly 75% -85% of the “fresh” sets were MS60-MS65+ quality. Leaving that final 1/5 or 1/6 of the sets with potential to grade out MS66 or better. For most, MS67 will just barely be a “money maker” grade considering the cost of the set, cost of grading, shipping fees, selling fees, etc.

    Perhaps a 3%-5% shot at making an MS68 coin per Tetromibi’s assessment - sounds about right to me.

    As always, just my 2 cents.

    Wondercoin.

    Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.
  • GluggoGluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tetromibi said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Is it really a good idea

    @wondercoin said:
    Not to mention (for a reason I personally do not understand) my original comment was removed by our hosts. Hence, scratch that!

    Wondercoin.

    @wondercoin said:
    “ Not to mention (for a reason I personally do not understand) my original comment was removed by our hosts. Hence, scratch that!

    Wondercoin.

    I was here when you commented and remember. Interesting though cause I would never of thought to go back looking for the statement. Good catch! I am going to call it a X-file! :)

  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jabba said:
    I only had 6 sets and the best I had was 66-67 unfortunately being MS tbey where beat up per normal production

    Total of 9.

    Mailed off 4 sets as presents. They were all supposed to be presents. ;)

    Modified (“upgraded”) 1 set.

    Sent 2 sets plus the Kennedy from the modified set in... grades 67PL x 2, 67+PL.

    Still have 2 in a shipping box from an early AM order a couple weeks ago.

    My luck, one of the four presents was a 69. :o:)

    Modified/upgraded set for those who missed it: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/12263079/#Comment_12263079 LOL!

  • DotStoreDotStore Posts: 702 ✭✭✭✭

    Wow - some nice graded coins in this update:

    707536 - 2019-D 50C Rocketship Set - First Day of Issue Apollo PF, PL (Regular Strike)
    66 - 3
    67 - 22
    68 - 44
    69 - 31

  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DotStore said:
    Wow - some nice graded coins in this update:

    707536 - 2019-D 50C Rocketship Set - First Day of Issue Apollo PF, PL (Regular Strike)
    66 - 3
    67 - 22
    68 - 44
    69 - 31

    “First Day of Issue Apollo PF, PL” is for bulk FDOI submitters. Labeling does not make sense. How can there be a Prooflike Proof? Unless the “Apollo PF” means something else.

    —————-

    For those who are not bulk submitters:

    704877
    2019-D 50C Rocketship Set - First Strike, PL (Regular Strike)

    65-29
    66-115
    67-78
    68-28
    69-20

    —————-

    There are a total of 13 ways that these Kennedy’s are listed. I got a top pop for non-FS... LOL!

  • smokincoinsmokincoin Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭

    I don't understand the combination of Apollo and Rocketship. Aren't they 2 totally different things?

  • DotStoreDotStore Posts: 702 ✭✭✭✭

    @Hemispherical said:

    @DotStore said:
    Wow - some nice graded coins in this update:

    707536 - 2019-D 50C Rocketship Set - First Day of Issue Apollo PF, PL (Regular Strike)
    66 - 3
    67 - 22
    68 - 44
    69 - 31

    “First Day of Issue Apollo PF, PL” is for bulk FDOI submitters. Labeling does not make sense. How can there be a Prooflike Proof? Unless the “Apollo PF” means something else.

    I know - it looks like a new single Bulk Submission because they all add up to 100 coins. But the label is puzzling to me as well (PF and PL and might as well add "Apollo" just for good measure...)

  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 31, 2019 8:00AM

    @smokincoin said:
    I don't understand the combination of Apollo and Rocketship. Aren't they 2 totally different things?

    Did a bit of digging... still not sure but this is my take:

    Apollo Rocketship is the Kennedy’s from the Kennedy/Apollo Sets. Look at some of the auction records. Not sure why they are listed under rocketship, though.

    The AMF is the special label for the Astronaut Memorial Fund.

    Or I am completely wrong.

    @DotStore said:
    I know - it looks like a new single Bulk Submission because they all add up to 100 coins. But the label is puzzling to me as well (PF and PL and might as well add "Apollo" just for good measure...)

    Here you go... LOL! :D:)

    2019-D 50C Rocketship Set - First Day of Issue & FS Apollo MS PF, PL, AMF, SMS (Special Strike)

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,681 ✭✭✭✭✭

    could it be that the attribute Deep Cameo does not apply?

    Kennedys are my quest...

  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WAYNEAS said:
    could it be that the attribute Deep Cameo does not apply?

    Is there a deep cameo for MS Kennedy’s even with PL?

  • ECHOESECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Hemispherical said:

    @WAYNEAS said:
    could it be that the attribute Deep Cameo does not apply?

    Is there a deep cameo for MS Kennedy’s even with PL?

    I was thinking the same...

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  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,681 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Hemispherical said:

    @WAYNEAS said:
    could it be that the attribute Deep Cameo does not apply?

    Is there a deep cameo for MS Kennedy’s even with PL?

    not that I have seen

    Kennedys are my quest...

  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 16,904 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 31, 2019 8:31AM

    Those coin numbers make no sense to me either. Unless someone added an Apollo 50C as the 3rd coin? And pcgs gave Rocketship designation. Just a crazy guess as Apollo proof coins are obviously not Kennedy MS coins. I plan to inquire next week.

    Wondercoin.

    Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.
  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,681 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @wondercoin said:
    Those coin numbers make no sense to me either. Unless someone added an Apollo 50C as the 3rd coin? And pcgs gave Rocketship designation. Just a crazy guess as Apollo proof coins are obviously not Kennedy MS coins. I plan to inquire next week.

    Wondercoin.

    There is a Kennedy Apollo coin, a 2019 s. It is a Reverse proof and would only get a PR attribute as reverse coins do not get a deep cameo attribute. Could this be what is causing this confusion in the listings?

    Kennedys are my quest...

  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 16,904 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not sure what is causing the “confusion”, but one thing is for certain... the D mint RS coins are NOT PROOFS!

    I suspect this needs to be fixed.

    Wondercoin

    Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.
  • GluggoGluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So mine were graded but they came back Min Grade what would that be a 60? :(

    But they did grade First Strike PL! :p

  • djmdjm Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Gluggo said:
    So mine were graded but they came back Min Grade what would that be a 60? :(

    But they did grade First Strike PL! :p

    They are coming back ungraded as they did not meet your requested grade on the submission. They could be anything less than your requested grade. They no longer tell you what they would have graded.

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,681 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @djm said:

    @Gluggo said:
    So mine were graded but they came back Min Grade what would that be a 60? :(

    But they did grade First Strike PL! :p

    They are coming back ungraded as they did not meet your requested grade on the submission. They could be anything less than your requested grade. They no longer tell you what they would have graded.

    Pcgs should have said what grade they would have graded them and made more on a re-submission if they were re-submitted . This is in my humble opinion.

    Kennedys are my quest...

  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    We can figure that the grade was not 69 or 70, since the minimum grade that can be stipulated is 69. For whatever that is worth. ;)

    Of course if another lower grade was chosen then adjust accordingly.

  • GluggoGluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @djm said:

    @Gluggo said:
    So mine were graded but they came back Min Grade what would that be a 60? :(

    But they did grade First Strike PL! :p

    They are coming back ungraded as they did not meet your requested grade on the submission. They could be anything less than your requested grade. They no longer tell you what they would have graded.

    I see originally I told them if it was NOT a 70 to not grade it. But I then changed it. I guess those changes were not passed down. I will call at 8 am California time and remind them No restrictions. Thank you

  • jabbajabba Posts: 3,176 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Hemispherical said:
    We can figure that the grade was not 69 or 70, since the minimum grade that can be stipulated is 69. For whatever that is worth. ;)

    Of course if another lower grade was chosen then adjust accordingly.

    So if you choose a minimum grade and it doesn’t meet the grade do you still have to pay full price for grading? It seems odd to pay the price and not get the holders? Or do they not charge you?

  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 1, 2019 5:23PM

    @jabba said:

    @Hemispherical said:
    We can figure that the grade was not 69 or 70, since the minimum grade that can be stipulated is 69. For whatever that is worth. ;)

    Of course if another lower grade was chosen then adjust accordingly.

    So if you choose a minimum grade and it doesn’t meet the grade do you still have to pay full price for grading? It seems odd to pay the price and not get the holders? Or do they not charge you?

    Yes, you pay $ even if it does not make the grade.

    Edit to add: Had to go find the submission form.

    “MINIMUM GRADE – you may (but are not required to) specify a minimum acceptable grade. Coins graded below the minimum acceptable grade will not be holdered; however, the full grading fee will be charged.”

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