Kidding {That is the difference when your a #####r (large account) vs a common man (poor) small account. I mean I am not saying there are two (2) sets of rules just saying. Maybe I should change my name to #C# and see the results. } Come on ######s I am just kidding!
( Changed to protect the innocent)
I mean look at the reverse side the 2 lines. I would not want to bid on that one. The 2 I sent in have none of those. I kept the pictures just in case I have to resend for reconsideration.
If I submitted that coin I'd probably get a 67. Just too much happening on the cheek especially the very deep scratch. Not to mention the "water spots" on the reverse (I don't think water spots technically take away from the grade, but they ruin the appearance in mind)
My grades on my first 8 (sent sans rocketship) posted. All 67's and 68's with NO PL designation. So the only way to get the designation is to send in the rocket.
Good thing we had an insider to pass along the PL information...otherwise all of mine would have gone without the rocket.
@Tetromibi said:
My grades on my first 8 (sent sans rocketship) posted. All 67's and 68's with NO PL designation. So the only way to get the designation is to send in the rocket.
Good thing we had an insider to pass along the PL information...otherwise all of mine would have gone without the rocket.
Was there even a formal announcement about it?
Do not recall anything “formal” except the die varieties for PL all stated for the “Rocketship Set”.
Die Varieties
2019-D 50C First Strike
2019-D 50C Rocketship Set
2019-D 50C Rocketship Set, PL
2019-D 50C Rocketship Set - First Strike
2019-D 50C Rocketship Set - First Strike Apollo PF
2019-D 50C Rocketship Set - First Strike, PL
2019-D 50C Rocketship Set - First Strike Apollo PF, PL
2019-D 50C Rocketship Set - First Day of Issue
2019-D 50C Rocketship Set - First Day of Issue Apollo PF
2019-D 50C Rocketship Set - First Day of Issue, PL
2019-D 50C Rocketship Set - First Day of Issue Apollo PF, PL
@Tetromibi said:
My grades on my first 8 (sent sans rocketship) posted. All 67's and 68's with NO PL designation. So the only way to get the designation is to send in the rocket.
Good thing we had an insider to pass along the PL information...otherwise all of mine would have gone without the rocket.
Was there even a formal announcement about it?
If this is true, it's ludicrous. With no special process, a coin is either PL or not, whether it traveled by rocket ship or not.
The coins I've seen are flashy enough to be labeled as PL. I have not seen one even close to 69! I'm going to guess that the true 70's are going to be very, very scarce.
@Tetromibi said:
My grades on my first 8 (sent sans rocketship) posted. All 67's and 68's with NO PL designation. So the only way to get the designation is to send in the rocket.
Good thing we had an insider to pass along the PL information...otherwise all of mine would have gone without the rocket.
Was there even a formal announcement about it?
If this is true, it's ludicrous. With no special process, a coin is either PL or not, whether it traveled by rocket ship or not.
In my humble opinion:
Since there has been no 2019 d Kennedys struck or released into consumers hands in "Business or Uncirculated condition as of yet, any one of the 2019 d coins with or without the cardboard rocket submitted should earn the rocket label and be able to get a PL designation if it deserves it. The only attributes that they should not receive are the FDOI or First Strike.
@Tetromibi said:
My grades on my first 8 (sent sans rocketship) posted. All 67's and 68's with NO PL designation. So the only way to get the designation is to send in the rocket.
Good thing we had an insider to pass along the PL information...otherwise all of mine would have gone without the rocket.
@Tetromibi said:
My grades on my first 8 (sent sans rocketship) posted. All 67's and 68's with NO PL designation. So the only way to get the designation is to send in the rocket.
Good thing we had an insider to pass along the PL information...otherwise all of mine would have gone without the rocket.
@Tetromibi said:
My grades on my first 8 (sent sans rocketship) posted. All 67's and 68's with NO PL designation. So the only way to get the designation is to send in the rocket.
Good thing we had an insider to pass along the PL information...otherwise all of mine would have gone without the rocket.
Was there even a formal announcement about it?
If this is true, it's ludicrous. With no special process, a coin is either PL or not, whether it traveled by rocket ship or not.
@Tetromibi said:
My grades on my first 8 (sent sans rocketship) posted. All 67's and 68's with NO PL designation. So the only way to get the designation is to send in the rocket.
Good thing we had an insider to pass along the PL information...otherwise all of mine would have gone without the rocket.
Was there even a formal announcement about it?
If this is true, it's ludicrous. With no special process, a coin is either PL or not, whether it traveled by rocket ship or not.
AFAIK, There was no special process done to create PL Morgan Dollars. The dies were just newly made and imparted the "mirror" to the first coins. Or is that just one of those long-held numismatic myths?
Coins made for regular circulation , say a 2019 dime, can be found with a mirror-like surface, many like the old semi-PL designation. So while not having the same "mirror" of a PL Morgan, they are still different enough (Like the Rocket Kennedy) to be designated PL.
@Tetromibi said:
My grades on my first 8 (sent sans rocketship) posted. All 67's and 68's with NO PL designation. So the only way to get the designation is to send in the rocket.
Good thing we had an insider to pass along the PL information...otherwise all of mine would have gone without the rocket.
Was there even a formal announcement about it?
If this is true, it's ludicrous. With no special process, a coin is either PL or not, whether it traveled by rocket ship or not.
AFAIK, There was no special process done to create PL Morgan Dollars. The dies were just newly made and imparted the "mirror" to the first coins. Or is that just one of those long-held numismatic myths?
Coins made for regular circulation , say a 2019 dime, can be found with a mirror-like surface, many like the old semi-PL designation. So while not having the same "mirror" of a PL Morgan, they are still different enough (Like the Rocket Kennedy) to be designated PL.
Yes. But you miss my point. If a Mint Set Kennedy is PL it should also get the designation. The suggestion here is that only a PL from a rocket will get the designation.
That only makes sense if there were a special process involved. Even then, it probably shouldn't be PL, it should be SP
@Tetromibi said:
My grades on my first 8 (sent sans rocketship) posted. All 67's and 68's with NO PL designation. So the only way to get the designation is to send in the rocket.
Good thing we had an insider to pass along the PL information...otherwise all of mine would have gone without the rocket.
Was there even a formal announcement about it?
If this is true, it's ludicrous. With no special process, a coin is either PL or not, whether it traveled by rocket ship or not.
AFAIK, There was no special process done to create PL Morgan Dollars. The dies were just newly made and imparted the "mirror" to the first coins. Or is that just one of those long-held numismatic myths?
Coins made for regular circulation , say a 2019 dime, can be found with a mirror-like surface, many like the old semi-PL designation. So while not having the same "mirror" of a PL Morgan, they are still different enough (Like the Rocket Kennedy) to be designated PL.
Yes. But you miss my point. If a Mint Set Kennedy is PL it should also get the designation. The suggestion here is that only a PL from a rocket will get the designation.
That only makes sense if there were a special process involved. Even then, it probably shouldn't be PL, it should be SP
Agree. I probably just ignored your point. Sorry. No point speculating about things that were settled long ago to the best of my knowledge. It is easy. When coins have a mirror-like surface they may be called PL. A PL designation can be subjective. Remember I mentioned "semi-PL" coins that were graded this way in the past but no more. Now, many modern coins (such as Sac $) rate the PL designation because they are. it is just a different type of mirror. However, if the TPGS chooses not to.... you get my point.
When these coins came out, they looked PL to me. However, since the Mint did not say they were, I added them to our catalog as strictly MS. Before we sent any out, we changed our minds. So far all we have seen got the PL designation Just as the occasional 20-something coin of any denomination with the same "semi-mirror."
BTW, This "specimen" NONSENSE is just that. A nice marketing tool. I know what a "specimen" is and the majority of modern slabs with that designation are NOT. I wonder who/when this special term started to be commonly used by many grading services. In spite of how I feel, I'm forced to play the "specimen" game with many Mint issues.
@chesterb said:
How will this get in kids hands and how many kids do they think they can impact if they limit it to only 50,000? We're all collectors and will probably squirrel one or two away ourselves. The mint should partner with Scholastic or similar organization so they can bring it to the kids who normally wouldn't purchase something like this.
Agree. Scholastics has several/many products about money, coins, and collecting.
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Edit to add: Never clean coins. Seek professional help.
LOL, certain curators of the National collection who shall remain nameless DID ruin a great number of OUR coins by cleaning them improperly.
@wondercoin said:
Dotstore. Welcome to the boards. The coin going into my PCGS registry set will have come about from reviewing roughly 3%-4% of the entire mintage. What I can share at this point with a total “stranger” (and I might be able to share a bit more with you if you send me a PM and formally introduce yourself to me) is that locating an MS69 quality coin is tough (and not easy by any means to locate a nice MS68 example). Grading MS65-MS67 coins much more doable, especially MS65 or MS66. The PL designation should be far less of an issue than locating a high quality specimen. I can’t tell you if you have 100% chance of having a PL coin since we only submit a small % of the coins we review for high grade/PL.
My comments stem from my experience only. It could be entirely different with the 96%+ of the sets we have not seen.
Good luck!
Wondercoin.
I have a serious question and please do not take this wrong, host and board members included. How can one review 3%-4% of total mintage, do a/the submission after reviewing and still get a First Day of Issue. How can you prove a FDI if mint shipped box opened? Of course you can have overnight shipped all the way around but you still reviewed before submitting?
Then of course, you purchased at mint store day of issue, searched through thousands of sets and delivered to PCGS in person before the end of the day. Be it at a show or headquarters, correct?
@wondercoin said:
Dotstore. Welcome to the boards. The coin going into my PCGS registry set will have come about from reviewing roughly 3%-4% of the entire mintage. What I can share at this point with a total “stranger” (and I might be able to share a bit more with you if you send me a PM and formally introduce yourself to me) is that locating an MS69 quality coin is tough (and not easy by any means to locate a nice MS68 example). Grading MS65-MS67 coins much more doable, especially MS65 or MS66. The PL designation should be far less of an issue than locating a high quality specimen. I can’t tell you if you have 100% chance of having a PL coin since we only submit a small % of the coins we review for high grade/PL.
My comments stem from my experience only. It could be entirely different with the 96%+ of the sets we have not seen.
Good luck!
Wondercoin.
I have a serious question and please do not take this wrong, host and board members included. How can one review 3%-4% of total mintage, do a/the submission after reviewing and still get a First Day of Issue. How can you prove a FDI if mint shipped box opened? Of course you can have overnight shipped all the way around but you still reviewed before submitting?
Then of course, you purchased at mint store day of issue, searched through thousands of sets and delivered to PCGS in person before the end of the day. Be it at a show or headquarters, correct?
Where did Wondercoin say that he had FDOI designation?
All must be submitted in first 30 days of Mint release and does not need to be in the shipping box. So you have time to check your coins and submit the best.
After 30 days then submissions must be in the sealed shipping box from the Mint for FS.
@Tetromibi said:
My grades on my first 8 (sent sans rocketship) posted. All 67's and 68's with NO PL designation. So the only way to get the designation is to send in the rocket.
Good thing we had an insider to pass along the PL information...otherwise all of mine would have gone without the rocket.
Was there even a formal announcement about it?
BTW, This "specimen" NONSENSE is just that. A nice marketing tool. I know what a "specimen" is and the majority of modern slabs with that designation are NOT. I wonder who/when this special term started to be commonly used by many grading services. In spite of how I feel, I'm forced to play the "specimen" game with many Mint issues.
I 100% agree with you about the SP designation, but that is what they use. They used it on the 2017 enhanced uncirculated sets, for example.
I ended up getting a spectacular coin for my MS Kennedy Registry set...
69 grade
PL (strong since PCGS not grading DPL)
First Day of Issue
So, as they say, mission accomplished!
Justin will sell off on eBay the undergrade coins not to mention some extra examples of PCGS 69PL FDI. If you want him to handpick you a great quality coin (including a strong PL) for the grade, just shoot me a PM here and I’ll try to make sure that happens.
First strike is a misnomer it’s any coin submitted in the first 30 days after issue it could have been the 5000 coin struck same with FDO it is a money machine
I ended up getting a spectacular coin for my MS Kennedy Registry set...
69 grade
PL (strong since PCGS not grading DPL)
First Day of Issue
So, as they say, mission accomplished!
Justin will sell off on eBay the undergrade coins not to mention some extra examples of PCGS 69PL FDI. If you want him to handpick you a great quality coin (including a strong PL) for the grade, just shoot me a PM here and I’ll try to make sure that happens.
@wondercoin said:
Dotstore. Welcome to the boards. The coin going into my PCGS registry set will have come about from reviewing roughly 3%-4% of the entire mintage. What I can share at this point with a total “stranger” (and I might be able to share a bit more with you if you send me a PM and formally introduce yourself to me) is that locating an MS69 quality coin is tough (and not easy by any means to locate a nice MS68 example). Grading MS65-MS67 coins much more doable, especially MS65 or MS66. The PL designation should be far less of an issue than locating a high quality specimen. I can’t tell you if you have 100% chance of having a PL coin since we only submit a small % of the coins we review for high grade/PL.
My comments stem from my experience only. It could be entirely different with the 96%+ of the sets we have not seen.
Good luck!
Wondercoin.
I have a serious question and please do not take this wrong, host and board members included. How can one review 3%-4% of total mintage, do a/the submission after reviewing and still get a First Day of Issue. How can you prove a FDI if mint shipped box opened? Of course you can have overnight shipped all the way around but you still reviewed before submitting?
Then of course, you purchased at mint store day of issue, searched through thousands of sets and delivered to PCGS in person before the end of the day. Be it at a show or headquarters, correct?
Where did Wondercoin say that he had FDOI designation?
I ended up getting a spectacular coin for my MS Kennedy Registry set...
69 grade
PL (strong since PCGS not grading DPL)
First Day of Issue
So, as they say, mission accomplished!
Justin will sell off on eBay the undergrade coins not to mention some extra examples of PCGS 69PL FDI. If you want him to handpick you a great quality coin (including a strong PL) for the grade, just shoot me a PM here and I’ll try to make sure that happens.
I ended up getting a spectacular coin for my MS Kennedy Registry set...
69 grade
PL (strong since PCGS not grading DPL)
First Day of Issue
So, as they say, mission accomplished!
Justin will sell off on eBay the undergrade coins not to mention some extra examples of PCGS 69PL FDI. If you want him to handpick you a great quality coin (including a strong PL) for the grade, just shoot me a PM here and I’ll try to make sure that happens.
@Hemispherical said:
FDOI is reserved for bulk submitters, 100+ coins
FS for everyone else.
All must be submitted in first 30 days of Mint release and does not need to be in the shipping box. So you have time to check your coins and submit the best.
After 30 days then submissions must be in the sealed shipping box from the Mint for FS.
So a FDOI isn't really a first day of issue. All one needs is 100 + coins, lol. I guess I'll just take a good old blue label
@Hemispherical said:
FDOI is reserved for bulk submitters, 100+ coins
FS for everyone else.
All must be submitted in first 30 days of Mint release and does not need to be in the shipping box. So you have time to check your coins and submit the best.
After 30 days then submissions must be in the sealed shipping box from the Mint for FS.
So a FDOI isn't really a first day of issue. All one needs is 100 + coins, lol. I guess I'll just take a good old blue label
No, that is not true based on the dates I see. FDOI must be in sealed boxes with shipping dates that match 1st Day of release.
For the record, FDOI and 1st strike are nonsense designations anyway. The First STrike coin could be the last one struck. And the FDOI refers only to shipping date not manufacture, so who really cares except the post office.
@wondercoin said:
Dotstore. Welcome to the boards. The coin going into my PCGS registry set will have come about from reviewing roughly 3%-4% of the entire mintage. What I can share at this point with a total “stranger” (and I might be able to share a bit more with you if you send me a PM and formally introduce yourself to me) is that locating an MS69 quality coin is tough (and not easy by any means to locate a nice MS68 example). Grading MS65-MS67 coins much more doable, especially MS65 or MS66. The PL designation should be far less of an issue than locating a high quality specimen. I can’t tell you if you have 100% chance of having a PL coin since we only submit a small % of the coins we review for high grade/PL.
My comments stem from my experience only. It could be entirely different with the 96%+ of the sets we have not seen.
Good luck!
Wondercoin.
I have a serious question and please do not take this wrong, host and board members included. How can one review 3%-4% of total mintage, do a/the submission after reviewing and still get a First Day of Issue. How can you prove a FDI if mint shipped box opened? Of course you can have overnight shipped all the way around but you still reviewed before submitting?
Then of course, you purchased at mint store day of issue, searched through thousands of sets and delivered to PCGS in person before the end of the day. Be it at a show or headquarters, correct?
Where did Wondercoin say that he had FDOI designation?
I ended up getting a spectacular coin for my MS Kennedy Registry set...
69 grade
PL (strong since PCGS not grading DPL)
First Day of Issue
Comments
Kidding {That is the difference when your a #####r (large account) vs a common man (poor) small account. I mean I am not saying there are two (2) sets of rules just saying.
Maybe I should change my name to #C# and see the results. 
} Come on ######s I am just kidding!
( Changed to protect the innocent)
I mean look at the reverse side the 2 lines. I would not want to bid on that one. The 2 I sent in have none of those. I kept the pictures just in case I have to resend for reconsideration.
Says "Stock Photo"
oops
Kennedys are my quest...
I wonder if they super imposed the picture over the slab since the slab has 69PL? At least you cant send it back no false advertisement.
I wonder how many days left before the First Strike is up maybe 10 days or less? Just a guess.
If coins are in hand and you are auctioning that coin, Picture the coin !!!
But one of several that they have?
I guess if you bid on it and you win you can demand that they NOT send the slabbed one with the cert # ########. At least I think you can?
Here you go Guess the Grade?
The linked auction coin cert is valid with a pop of 12 right now
Gluggo's coin...MS69PL...ummm..just realized it's the same coin
@gluggo Thanks for pulling that auction’s pic. Wish the seller posted a better pic. Hard to see the Kennedy through a slabbed coin pic.
Went looking to see if there was a TV for the slab in the Bay auction... nope.
Hits on the reverse by the tail feathers, above arrows, and by the R also. Proves once again, look at the coin too, not just the label.
My US Mint Commemorative Medal Set
If I submitted that coin I'd probably get a 67. Just too much happening on the cheek especially the very deep scratch. Not to mention the "water spots" on the reverse (I don't think water spots technically take away from the grade, but they ruin the appearance in mind)
My grades on my first 8 (sent sans rocketship) posted. All 67's and 68's with NO PL designation. So the only way to get the designation is to send in the rocket.
Good thing we had an insider to pass along the PL information...otherwise all of mine would have gone without the rocket.
Was there even a formal announcement about it?
Do not recall anything “formal” except the die varieties for PL all stated for the “Rocketship Set”.
Die Varieties
2019-D 50C First Strike
2019-D 50C Rocketship Set
2019-D 50C Rocketship Set, PL
2019-D 50C Rocketship Set - First Strike
2019-D 50C Rocketship Set - First Strike Apollo PF
2019-D 50C Rocketship Set - First Strike, PL
2019-D 50C Rocketship Set - First Strike Apollo PF, PL
2019-D 50C Rocketship Set - First Day of Issue
2019-D 50C Rocketship Set - First Day of Issue Apollo PF
2019-D 50C Rocketship Set - First Day of Issue, PL
2019-D 50C Rocketship Set - First Day of Issue Apollo PF, PL
If this is true, it's ludicrous. With no special process, a coin is either PL or not, whether it traveled by rocket ship or not.
The coins I've seen are flashy enough to be labeled as PL. I have not seen one even close to 69! I'm going to guess that the true 70's are going to be very, very scarce.
In my humble opinion:
Since there has been no 2019 d Kennedys struck or released into consumers hands in "Business or Uncirculated condition as of yet, any one of the 2019 d coins with or without the cardboard rocket submitted should earn the rocket label and be able to get a PL designation if it deserves it. The only attributes that they should not receive are the FDOI or First Strike.
Kennedys are my quest...
How many days did the grading take?
Guess I should expect the same, NO PL
Truth !!!!
@HeatherBoyd
Can you pass along the last page of this thread to the appropriate people?
@jmlanzaf and @WAYNEAS hit the nail on the head with this.
AFAIK, There was no special process done to create PL Morgan Dollars. The dies were just newly made and imparted the "mirror" to the first coins. Or is that just one of those long-held numismatic myths?
Coins made for regular circulation , say a 2019 dime, can be found with a mirror-like surface, many like the old semi-PL designation. So while not having the same "mirror" of a PL Morgan, they are still different enough (Like the Rocket Kennedy) to be designated PL.
Holly cow already over $400
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/publishedset/209923
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/album/209923
Yes. But you miss my point. If a Mint Set Kennedy is PL it should also get the designation. The suggestion here is that only a PL from a rocket will get the designation.
That only makes sense if there were a special process involved. Even then, it probably shouldn't be PL, it should be SP
Agree. I probably just ignored your point. Sorry. No point speculating about things that were settled long ago to the best of my knowledge. It is easy. When coins have a mirror-like surface they may be called PL. A PL designation can be subjective. Remember I mentioned "semi-PL" coins that were graded this way in the past but no more. Now, many modern coins (such as Sac $) rate the PL designation because they are. it is just a different type of mirror. However, if the TPGS chooses not to.... you get my point.
When these coins came out, they looked PL to me. However, since the Mint did not say they were, I added them to our catalog as strictly MS. Before we sent any out, we changed our minds. So far all we have seen got the PL designation Just as the occasional 20-something coin of any denomination with the same "semi-mirror."
BTW, This "specimen" NONSENSE is just that. A nice marketing tool. I know what a "specimen" is and the majority of modern slabs with that designation are NOT. I wonder who/when this special term started to be commonly used by many grading services. In spite of how I feel, I'm forced to play the "specimen" game with many Mint issues.
LOL, certain curators of the National collection who shall remain nameless DID ruin a great number of OUR coins by cleaning them improperly.
There are already 37 PCGS 69PL.
12 First strike https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/2019-d-50c-rocketship-set-first-strike-pl/704877
25 First day of issue https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/2019-d-50c-rocketship-set-first-day-issue-pl/704878
FDOI, bulk submitters. Things will be picking up.
Edit to add: There are no 69PL’s but may pop-up for those who did not pay the FS fee.
MSPL non-FS
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/2019-d-50c-rocketship-set-pl/704876
wait and wait again there are more to come
Kennedys are my quest...
And even more then that !!
you do not have to be first to have
Kennedys are my quest...
I have a serious question and please do not take this wrong, host and board members included. How can one review 3%-4% of total mintage, do a/the submission after reviewing and still get a First Day of Issue. How can you prove a FDI if mint shipped box opened? Of course you can have overnight shipped all the way around but you still reviewed before submitting?
Then of course, you purchased at mint store day of issue, searched through thousands of sets and delivered to PCGS in person before the end of the day. Be it at a show or headquarters, correct?
Where did Wondercoin say that he had FDOI designation?
FDOI is reserved for bulk submitters, 100+ coins
FS for everyone else.
All must be submitted in first 30 days of Mint release and does not need to be in the shipping box. So you have time to check your coins and submit the best.
After 30 days then submissions must be in the sealed shipping box from the Mint for FS.
I 100% agree with you about the SP designation, but that is what they use. They used it on the 2017 enhanced uncirculated sets, for example.
I think FDO is just a fancy first strike for bulk submitters same rules as first strike I believe
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/publishedset/209923
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/album/209923
so a money maker for the rich and famous? should we add a gold shield?
Kennedys are my quest...
Is a MS69> @wondercoin said:
@jmlanzaf He stated it in this post.
Gold shield cost $5 and includes TV.
TV by itself is $18.
If you want a pic the less expensive route is GS.
If you look up the rules, they are NOT the same as 1st strike.
First strike is a misnomer it’s any coin submitted in the first 30 days after issue it could have been the 5000 coin struck same with FDO it is a money machine
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/publishedset/209923
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/album/209923
No, he didn't. Not in any post of his I see. Someone else mentioned FDOI. In fact, Monster Coin Mart is selling First STrike 68s not FDOI.
I stand corrected. apologies to @fox9487
His post on 3/24 @ 5:12 pm
Oh, I see it. For the record, he is right down the road from PCGS.
https://pcgs.com/services/firstdayofissue
look again
Kennedys are my quest...
So a FDOI isn't really a first day of issue. All one needs is 100 + coins, lol. I guess I'll just take a good old blue label
No, that is not true based on the dates I see. FDOI must be in sealed boxes with shipping dates that match 1st Day of release.
For the record, FDOI and 1st strike are nonsense designations anyway. The First STrike coin could be the last one struck. And the FDOI refers only to shipping date not manufacture, so who really cares except the post office.
I ended up getting a spectacular coin for my MS Kennedy Registry set...
69 grade
PL (strong since PCGS not grading DPL)
First Day of Issue
Kennedys are my quest...
You are late, we've already sorted this out.