American Liberty 225th Anniversary Silver Four-Medal Set (17XD)

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  • jmlanzaf
    jmlanzaf Posts: 43,046 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @dmwest said:

    @bestday said:
    Folks look at the posters from over 225th set thread.. holding many of 225th sets soon to be left off the radar

    Those members poopoohing the Liberty set ,while holding dead money in sets still waiting for sellout 7 weeks after issue ..

    I'm buying the Mint Medals because I like the design, so they will be for my PC. I can't afford the gold version, so I'll have to stick to the $50+ silver versions.

    I'm not expecting the EU set go all crazy in pricing. I hope it does well, but my expectations are firmly in reality.

    D2

    As I firmly believe: buy whatever you want and price be damned. LOL. It's your money, spend it however it makes you happy.

    I may add one to my collection, but not for a couple years as I think it will get cheaper. I will probably flip 2 or 4 or 6 of them now as there will probably be some price movement due to the distribution problem connect to the HHL.

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  • ECHOES
    ECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    One set for me, have to say very happy with the HHL of 2...

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  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    wow

    more terrible mint pictures

    hire someone mint! hire! (and fire)

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  • Kudbegud
    Kudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @MsMorrisine said:
    wow

    more terrible mint pictures

    hire someone mint! hire! (and fire)

    I don't understand why they don't use actual photos. Those drawings they use just don't do the coins justice. They look unreal and bland compared to photos.


  • SeatedToners
    SeatedToners Posts: 392 ✭✭✭✭
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    @PCGSPhoto said:
    There was a display of these at the ANA. Sorry for the crummy iPhone shot. I just picked up the regular silver medal at the US Mint kiosk for the heck of it.

    Thanks for the in-person picture! I wasn't interested by the mints online pic, but your picture makes me want one. they look pretty cool with the different finishes next to each other

  • MsMorrisine
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    I think the one on the left is a terminator

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  • tincup
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    Waaay too many finishes, mintages, sets for me to keep accurate track of. A previous reference to the USPS issues was an apt one. And too many PC designs... JMHO.

    But... the US Mint is catering to the market out there, and there are those who will buy their products... myself included in certain instances. This design/set is ideal for the HSN types out there; I see a quick sellout.

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  • bestday
    bestday Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭✭
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    25.000 - 35,000 orders .. a fast sellout

  • dmwest
    dmwest Posts: 959 ✭✭✭✭
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    @bestday said:
    25.000 - 35,000 orders .. a fast sellout

    It will be 25,000 orders. 2 of the which will be mine, if I can find someone to call for me.

    Don't quote me on that.

  • Goldbully
    Goldbully Posts: 18,557 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2, 2017 10:01AM
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    Don't mean to be a pessimist, but four ounces of silver at today's Ask of $16.75 = $67.00



    https://catalog.usmint.gov/american-liberty-225th-anniversary-silver-four-medal-set-17XD.html?cgid=product-schedule

  • ECHOES
    ECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    17 days and counting... :#

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  • OPA
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    This set will slowly die on the vine, just like it's 2 predecessors have. And we're not talking coins, but 1 oz medals - with a bullion value of less than $70.

    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • Bochiman
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    But but.....it's the "designs" that make it worth so much more.....

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • jmlanzaf
    jmlanzaf Posts: 43,046 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @OPA said:
    This set will slowly die on the vine, just like it's 2 predecessors have. And we're not talking coins, but 1 oz medals - with a bullion value of less than $70.

    Of course, that doesn't mean there isn't a very quick flip opportunity.

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  • Goldbully
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    @jmlanzaf said:

    @OPA said:
    This set will slowly die on the vine, just like it's 2 predecessors have. And we're not talking coins, but 1 oz medals - with a bullion value of less than $70.

    Of course, that doesn't mean there isn't a very quick flip opportunity.

    Tiniest window of flip opportunity for new Mint medal set ever!!!

  • jmlanzaf
    jmlanzaf Posts: 43,046 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Goldbully said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @OPA said:
    This set will slowly die on the vine, just like it's 2 predecessors have. And we're not talking coins, but 1 oz medals - with a bullion value of less than $70.

    Of course, that doesn't mean there isn't a very quick flip opportunity.

    Tiniest window of flip opportunity for new Mint medal set ever!!!

    Totally agree, which is why I'm staying away from it. I hate to pre-sell them and if I wait until they arrive, the window might be closed. LOL>

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  • BackroadJunkie
    BackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'm rethinking this. $200 may be better going to a SP70 EU set. Or maybe a LE set to flip. (I have no interest in the LESP set, so if I get one at all, it'll be to resell.)

    As I said, $50/ozt for a silver round makes me itch, and the closer we get to the sales day, it's turning into a rash... :)

  • ECHOES
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    @BackroadJunkie said:
    I'm rethinking this. $200 may be better going to a SP70 EU set. Or maybe a LE set to flip. (I have no interest in the LESP set, so if I get one at all, it'll be to resell.)

    As I said, $50/ozt for a silver round makes me itch, and the closer we get to the sales day, it's turning into a rash... :)

    Not me, I'm still in...!

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  • Gluggo
    Gluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 4, 2017 4:28PM
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    Question is will this Sell Out in the first few minutes or sell for months? After all the 1st sale of the 225th Anniversary American Liberty Silver Medal back on June 14th Sold out in minutes right? >:)>:)>:) I guess that's not fair cause there was NO limit imposed in round 1.

  • OPA
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    The Gold & Silver Liberty Medals issued by the Mint are still available and not sold out. What makes anyone think that this 4 medal set will be any different?

    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • jmlanzaf
    jmlanzaf Posts: 43,046 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @OPA said:
    The Gold & Silver Liberty Medals issued by the Mint are still available and not sold out. What makes anyone think that this 4 medal set will be any different?

    I tend to agree. Although, if they were cheaper I would buy this set and I don't care about the others. The different finishes do look interesting. I just think $200 is too much for this set that ultimately has limited appeal.

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  • CoinCrazyPA
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    @jmlanzaf said:

    @OPA said:
    The Gold & Silver Liberty Medals issued by the Mint are still available and not sold out. What makes anyone think that this 4 medal set will be any different?

    I tend to agree. Although, if they were cheaper I would buy this set and I don't care about the others. The different finishes do look interesting. I just think $200 is too much for this set that ultimately has limited appeal.

    First issue I have is the price. If it were cheaper I would buy one. 2nd and bigger issue is its a medal and not a coin.

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  • jmlanzaf
    jmlanzaf Posts: 43,046 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 5, 2017 7:17AM
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    @CoinCrazyPA said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @OPA said:
    The Gold & Silver Liberty Medals issued by the Mint are still available and not sold out. What makes anyone think that this 4 medal set will be any different?

    I tend to agree. Although, if they were cheaper I would buy this set and I don't care about the others. The different finishes do look interesting. I just think $200 is too much for this set that ultimately has limited appeal.

    First issue I have is the price. If it were cheaper I would buy one. 2nd and bigger issue is its a medal and not a coin.

    Nothing wrong with a medal. Just bought some gorgeous Goetz medals for less than $200

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  • BackroadJunkie
    BackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @OPA said:
    The Gold & Silver Liberty Medals issued by the Mint are still available and not sold out. What makes anyone think that this 4 medal set will be any different?

    Well, not to be critical, but there's no mintage limit on the silver medal. They're going to sell that thing until the cows come home. :wink:

    I was thinking about going in, but I passed on the gold because I didn't like the design (especially for $1600+) and passed on the stand-alone medal because they wanted 4x spot (which was a huge increase over last year). If I ever want one, I'm going to hedge my bets and assume they're going to be closer to spot in a few years.

    (I'm also forcing myself to thin my collection, so if something falls even near the buy/don't buy line...)

    I'll try to update the weekly sales of both the coin and the stand-alone medal before the set goes on sale...

  • CoinCrazyPA
    CoinCrazyPA Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭✭
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    3rd is no mintage limit. Forgot about that one.

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  • ECHOES
    ECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'm still in for one set.... :#

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  • jmlanzaf
    jmlanzaf Posts: 43,046 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @ECHOES said:
    I'm still in for one set.... :#

    Nothing wrong with that. They are pretty. I may well look to add one in a couple years when they are probably cheaper.

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  • BackroadJunkie
    BackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    And the hype from the mint begins!

    225th-united-states-mint-anniversary

    The fourth and final United States Mint 225th anniversary product is the perfect way to close out the celebration. The design of the impressive American Liberty 225th Anniversary Silver Four-Medal Set™ is based upon the 2017 American Liberty 225th Anniversary Gold Coin™ rendered in four different finishes

  • jmlanzaf
    jmlanzaf Posts: 43,046 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'm curious to see if there's any demand for these at this price. I mean...they are MINT MEDALS! :smile:

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  • ECHOES
    ECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Got the e-mail, only 7 days to go...

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  • bestday
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    In for the limit.. Lol... some equate value of silver ....for fair value of set ...

  • lcoopie
    lcoopie Posts: 8,875 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'm out!! :#

    LCoopie = Les
  • jmlanzaf
    jmlanzaf Posts: 43,046 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @bestday said:
    In for the limit.. Lol... some equate value of silver ....for fair value of set ...

    that is the bottom limit. But $200 is a lot for MINT MEDALS!

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  • jwitten
    jwitten Posts: 5,417 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Not even remotely interested. And I like to flip.

  • Gluggo
    Gluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 12, 2017 6:00PM
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    :p:p:p:p:p I am waiting to buy buy buy!!!

  • jmlanzaf
    jmlanzaf Posts: 43,046 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Gluggo said:
    :p:p:p:p:p I am waiting to buy buy buy!!!

    Yes, but you are always ready to buy! buy! buy!

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  • grote15
    grote15 Posts: 30,223 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'm not feeling this one. The medals from 2016 were successful but in large part due to very limited mintage. I just don't see medals having that kind of appeal for the long term, but I could be wrong.



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  • BackroadJunkie
    BackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Can't do it. And as soon as I decided I was out, my rash disappeared.

    A few reasons.

    2.9x spot. If I liked the design, I wouldn't care, be it a coin or medal. The design plus the excessive surcharges on the gold and stand-alone kept me out, so at least I'm going to be consistent.

    50K product limit. I'm getting a worse vibe about this set, than I did about the LESP. There is an almost dislike for this set. If I ultimately decide to collect the American Liberty series (which will probably be decided with the 2019 design), my guess is I'll find the coins and medals closer to spot.

    The set design isn't unique. It's the 2014 Kennedy silver set, only with twice the silver at twice the price. (Okay, a little more than twice the silver, but silver spot in 2014 was 2-4 bucks higher than it is now.) It even looks to be the same size as the Kennedy set since the medals are closer together.

    And ultimately, I'm trying to reduce the size of my collection. If I still can't decide if I should buy a set a week from release, I probably won't (and shouldn't) be buying it.

    I'll still be interested on how the set does. I think it might even sell out, just not quickly.

  • HalfStrike
    HalfStrike Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭
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    The problem is these are medals, not coins. So 50,000 is a lot of medals. I think it stays up for sale for 24 hours then they remove the limit of 2 coins per order like they did with the Silver set.

  • BigA
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    edited October 13, 2017 1:35PM
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    I agree...maybe 2-3 days

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  • thevolcanogod
    thevolcanogod Posts: 270 ✭✭✭
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    Like the design - set is too dang expensive, too high of a premium and too high a mintage. I would pick one up for maybe 130-150 down the line.

  • Onastone
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    I agree, the limit will be gone by Saturday. Now if they could lower that price...

  • jmlanzaf
    jmlanzaf Posts: 43,046 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    If they have to remove the limit to get a sell out, expect a longer time to sell-out (if ever). The big players are not going to suck these up like they did the ASE in the LE set.

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  • ECHOES
    ECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    4 Days and counting.... :#

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  • derryb
    derryb Posts: 38,605 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 15, 2017 8:22AM
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    fact that they are medals and not coins will reduce the flipping market by 50% initially. Only thing that will change this is an unexpected aftermarket interest.

    the only interesting thing about this set is the reverse proof.

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  • Gluggo
    Gluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 16, 2017 8:54AM
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    Wow We are just 3 or 4 days away from these being able to buy these! :p:p:p:p:p

  • dmwest
    dmwest Posts: 959 ✭✭✭✭
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    @Gluggo said:
    OMG are we just 3 or 4 days away from these being able to buy?????? :)

    It will sell out in 8 hours.

    Don't quote me on that.

  • Gluggo
    Gluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 15, 2017 7:18PM
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    @dmwest said:

    @Gluggo said:
    OMG are we just 3 or 4 days away from these being able to buy?????? :)

    It will sell out in 8 hours.

    Wow well I should be able to put my order in. I don't think I will procrastinate and try and be there right at the start time with all my buttons pressed ready to hit ENTER! No messing around when these type sales begin. I am amazed at how well the process goes at least most of the time!

  • ECHOES
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    Up Top :#

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  • tincup
    tincup Posts: 5,481 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Ebay pre-sales appear to be in the $250 to $300 range per set, and so far seem to be having some sales. Of course, we have seen issues before that have sold pretty well on the presales but aftermarket dropped dropped dropped after Mint sales started....

    ----- kj

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