Just went to Darrell's thread to see what our hosts said. Interesting. To me, the most surprising thing was that all straight graded. In evaluating my guesses (I was trying to guess what our hosts would say, not grade by my own standards), I had 9 the same, 7 too high and 4 too low. I guess our hosts were more conservative than I give them credit for (at least in the time frame this submission went in). Thanks again for putting it up, Darrell.
Vern l It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
The F-15 I used to own being sold right next to it (I now have a PC40 CAC upgrade) is better than the error slab version in a supposedly 'higher' grade. Any coin dealer or auction house should have integrity (Professional Numismatic Guild?) and point out obvious errors like that otherwise it makes you think they are taking advantage of you. Are you going to inform them? probably just oversight. They do go through large batches of coins and humans do err.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Doug - There really is no excuse for either mistake. One could possibly excuse if our hosts graded the 14-S an F-12, but VF-20 never. It's not even choice for a VG, with that obverse mark. But DLRC's actions border on fraud. I'm confident they have staff adept enough at basic grading to know that this coin isn't close to a VF, yet they are attempting to auction it as such.
Pics for this AM, from my raw set:
Vern l It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Nothing surprises me when it comes to auctions...and grading for that matter.
It's all about the Benjamins. Good conscience is overlooked when it comes to
making money. However, remember, we are dealing with human interaction.
For instance, the GTG that Darrell posted. 20 coins...basically all about the same
grade, however, six people graded one coin F12 and one graded it VF 25.... That
VF 25 grade was from a member I hold in high regard. And, I thought I needed
my eyes checked !!
Mistakes happen in every person's job...none of us are infallible - neither are the
graders. Remember, most assigned grades are a concensus of three graders and
it's the Finalizer who has the last say in the matter.
On the home front, I was advised my Quarter images are now on line on Photobucket.
My heartfelt thanks is extended to Valente151 - who was able to get my coins images,
edited, and distributed in the Photo Bucket files. Hard copies are due soon. Considering
Mike Valente is applying to Med School and has been accepted to a couple, he is still
holding down two jobs ( at a local Hospital ; and at Sea World - acting as a docent ).
Later, Dudes.
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A lot of nice luster and color in those quarters Mike! I agree with your '09-O assessment. Unimproveable unless someone has a working STAPLES red easy button. I like the first of the three '92 Ty1 proof pics - that is my vote.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
I picked up a raw '16 D Quarter off eBay earlier this week:
This one appears to have a re-punched mintmark, but doesn't match the image of the FS-501 on Coinfacts:
If I submit this for variety attribution will it come back with a recognized variety designation or just a "Minor Variety" moniker? This looks similar to RPM-N on the BCCS website variety page.
Jeff, You couldn't be more right on your call to grab that '09-S VF quarter. It is not that the VF grade is overly difficult to acquire, it is quality within the grade. The '09-S has more of an inordinate proportion of bag marks or surface abrasions and problems than the typical Barber quarter so kudos to you! Your example has those typical nicks, don't get me wrong, but very minor. Underrated IMHO. For example, here is my somewhat recent '09-S in VF... similar nicks but more pronounced than Jeff's. These nicks on the '09-S are similar in look, structure, type, with some length variance:
rhedden, not often do you see that beautiful color of golden yellow on a Barber. Thanks for sharing! very nice.
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A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
'00, '01, and '07 in 63 can be considered a nice start to a year set DancingFire!
Just shy of $1000. each.. I guess for some it might not be "insane" but the number of collectors at that level are in thinner air than most. Back in the '90's and earlier, I used to collect higher-end material but that is not as possible today due to the price level increases in the last two decades. I am finding, for example, trying to repeat Vern's raw quarter set is a daunting task from both a price structure as well as a quality perspective. In that specific case, the big 3 are tough to find nice and pay for too. It is not impossible, just tougher and you need more fortitude or stamina to do it.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
I've been focusing on Barber Dimes and Quarter the last 9 months, but while at FUN in January I spotted a nice '95 S Barber Half and picked it up. It came back from California today in a PCGS MS 63 holder:
It's a tougher date and helps out my MS set. Now I hope those spots don't bloom.
Well my efforts of the past year to finish my Whitman Album of 1892-1906 Barber Halves is almost finished. Still have the 92P and 94O left. Those always come in AU but almost never with the look I like in VG10 to VF20. Its been nice to commit to this set. Should have stuck with it 25 years ago.
Haven't sent anything for grading in a couple of years now. I'll probably do so this spring. Among the coins I'd like to have validation for is this 1914S quarter, which is a deep blazer, sadly uncaptured in my photo, but should garner a straight 55 I suspect.
We're all born MS70. I'm about a Fine 15 right now.
Dennis, Nice enough picture to see reflectivity on that '14-S in raw form - especially when from looking from the reverse perspective. Great coin - comes across to me as an earlier striking.
To finish a quality half set is quite an accomplishment! so congratulations. I remember not too long ago you shared with the BMT a picture of one of the blue album pages - nice, peasing, quality halves as I remember with correct color. Just found the picture from December 21, 2016...
Thanks for the collecting pursuit update. You'll have to post updated pictures of the album once complete!
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
'14-S 25c mushy mintmark is a typical thing that comes with this date for some reason... noted in the Lawrence text as "Coins with a soft, filled "S" are genuine, though they may look odd." From my recollection, I thought there was a clear mintmark type available... and I have always wondered if a "clear" mintmark should actually be considered scarce for this date and mint. Mushy MM's are not.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Your '15 Dime looks looks like a MS 63 to me; sorry?
Jeff... I'll carry it around for a few weeks in my pants' pockets.
Without any other coin coming in contact with it. After two or
three weeks, there should be just enough rub to preclude a MS
grade.
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Mike, You know you guys make me cringe everytime you say that! A note to everyone... Please don't intentionally attempt (or think about) downgrading coins... I know you may be saying that in jest but some other poor soul will pick up that idea then the next thing you know... we blow up 58 populations and reduce 63 / 64 populations that will not be there for future generations. Ugghhh.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
I don't have a '15 AU 58 Dime either; the best I've come up with in the wild is a 55. I've seen a lot of problem coins that looked 58, but shipped them all back. I'm still in the hunt for a 58 raw one as well (more fun than finding them in holders for me). It shouldn't be this tough!
Vern- The 1906 D Dime came from London; I haven't soaked it in acetone yet. I was thinking the foreign crud might enhance it's value. Guess not.
Here's another raw quarter pickup- a 1895 O:
For whatever reason I've had a hard time tracking down a decent '95 O that wasn't pricey; is it that tough of a date?
Jeff, On the '95-O 25c, Bowers says "Coins in all grades above VG are in great demand, and EF and AU coins are very scarce." "Significantly undervalued in all price grades." Lawrence states, "An underrated date in strong demand from Fine to MS64. Suprisingly tough in Mint State." PCGS for AU has a population total of 53 (14 in AU58). NGC pop in AU of 26 (20 in AU58).
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
@sedulous said:
Mike, You know you guys make me cringe everytime you say that! A note to everyone... Please don't intentionally attempt (or think about) downgrading coins... I know you may be saying that in jest but some other poor soul will pick up that idea then the next thing you know... we blow up 58 populations and reduce 63 / 64 populations that will not be there for future generations. Ugghhh.
Its not like I'm cracking it out of a slab - the coin is raw - I've seen the chips fall as they may - and
I doubt this will affect anything one way or the other.
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Comments
Mike - Didn't know how tough the No Cents in proof was. Congrats on the newp. Also didn't know HA allowed returns on lots won. Hmmmmmm!
Darrell - I'll have to check the actual grades in your contest. I'm sure some will be amazing.
Pics for this AM, a V Nick from my collection, PC63:
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It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Just went to Darrell's thread to see what our hosts said. Interesting. To me, the most surprising thing was that all straight graded. In evaluating my guesses (I was trying to guess what our hosts would say, not grade by my own standards), I had 9 the same, 7 too high and 4 too low. I guess our hosts were more conservative than I give them credit for (at least in the time frame this submission went in). Thanks again for putting it up, Darrell.
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It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Doug
The F-15 I used to own being sold right next to it (I now have a PC40 CAC upgrade) is better than the error slab version in a supposedly 'higher' grade. Any coin dealer or auction house should have integrity (Professional Numismatic Guild?) and point out obvious errors like that otherwise it makes you think they are taking advantage of you. Are you going to inform them? probably just oversight. They do go through large batches of coins and humans do err.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Doug - There really is no excuse for either mistake. One could possibly excuse if our hosts graded the 14-S an F-12, but VF-20 never. It's not even choice for a VG, with that obverse mark. But DLRC's actions border on fraud. I'm confident they have staff adept enough at basic grading to know that this coin isn't close to a VF, yet they are attempting to auction it as such.
Pics for this AM, from my raw set:
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It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
Funny thing is David Lawrence wrote the book on Barber Quarters
Maybe he just rolled over in his grave!
Nothing surprises me when it comes to auctions...and grading for that matter.
It's all about the Benjamins. Good conscience is overlooked when it comes to
making money. However, remember, we are dealing with human interaction.
For instance, the GTG that Darrell posted. 20 coins...basically all about the same
grade, however, six people graded one coin F12 and one graded it VF 25.... That
VF 25 grade was from a member I hold in high regard. And, I thought I needed
my eyes checked !!
Mistakes happen in every person's job...none of us are infallible - neither are the
graders. Remember, most assigned grades are a concensus of three graders and
it's the Finalizer who has the last say in the matter.
On the home front, I was advised my Quarter images are now on line on Photobucket.
My heartfelt thanks is extended to Valente151 - who was able to get my coins images,
edited, and distributed in the Photo Bucket files. Hard copies are due soon. Considering
Mike Valente is applying to Med School and has been accepted to a couple, he is still
holding down two jobs ( at a local Hospital ; and at Sea World - acting as a docent ).
Later, Dudes.
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
These are the first showings of the Quarters I have acquired from June, 2015 thru July, 2016.
Enjoy - Thx again, MV:
You choose which of the first three you like the best....
This is the Type One Proof Quarter - Mintage is 1/10th that of the Ty 2.
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The 1901-S that almost was...LOL....
I consider this the finest AU 58 on the market.
Once I have my CD Disc, I'll load the images into my Registry sets.
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New Barber Purchases
A lot of nice luster and color in those quarters Mike! I agree with your '09-O assessment. Unimproveable unless someone has a working STAPLES red easy button. I like the first of the three '92 Ty1 proof pics - that is my vote.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Mike-Quite a string of beautiful quarters! You've been busy.
Dancing- nice '15 D Quarter as well.
DancingFire - What a nice CAC '15-D to wake up to this morning! Thanks, made my day happy!
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Mike - I vote for the first of the 3 '92 proof pictures also. Mike V does a great job with the pics. My fav is (naturally) your 97-O.
DancingFire - Nice 15-D, thanks for posting it here in the barber mega-thread.
Pics for this AM, from Milo's collection, PC55:
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It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
PCGS MS64
An amazing '14S Half Dollar!
I picked up a raw '16 D Quarter off eBay earlier this week:
This one appears to have a re-punched mintmark, but doesn't match the image of the FS-501 on Coinfacts:
If I submit this for variety attribution will it come back with a recognized variety designation or just a "Minor Variety" moniker? This looks similar to RPM-N on the BCCS website variety page.
Here's another raw quarter purchase, a 1909 S:
A decent VF for a tougher date.
Jeff, You couldn't be more right on your call to grab that '09-S VF quarter. It is not that the VF grade is overly difficult to acquire, it is quality within the grade. The '09-S has more of an inordinate proportion of bag marks or surface abrasions and problems than the typical Barber quarter so kudos to you! Your example has those typical nicks, don't get me wrong, but very minor. Underrated IMHO. For example, here is my somewhat recent '09-S in VF... similar nicks but more pronounced than Jeff's. These nicks on the '09-S are similar in look, structure, type, with some length variance:
rhedden, not often do you see that beautiful color of golden yellow on a Barber. Thanks for sharing! very nice.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
I picked up a new 1893 O Barber Dime this week in a PCGS AU 55 holder:
This upgrades the VF 20 that was in my set.
Here's another new raw pickup from eBay, a 1915 S Quarter:
I'll be submitting this coin and others next week at ANA in Orlando.
Ron,
Stunning 14-S Quarter. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for pointing it out, Tim.
I had quarters on the brain.... Yes, it's a
Half Dollar.
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New Barber Purchases
Half Dollar!
Jeff, Like the '15-S! Am I seeing a bit of fill around and inside that mintmark?
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Yep, I saw that as well. It could be an S/S, or just a die chip:
Or....is it a large "S" over a "Micro S" ??
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New Barber Purchases
I'll see if I can find an arrangement of lenses that will allow me to focus closer to the coin; it's hard to tell from what I posted.
Ron - Tons of luster on your half, especially for a 64. Thanks for posting.
Jeff - You've had a very good week. Your RPM on the 16-D is stellar.
Pics for this AM, from Jim's No Headlight collection, PC40:
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It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
That's a good looking '01 S Half; good for the grade.
Here's another raw pickup from last week- a 1906 D Dime:
For whatever reason I've had a tough time finding an AU example that will grade; hopefully this one makes it.
Jeff, I don't think you'll have a problem getting this graded as a 55 IMO.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
PCGS MS63 halves.
A nice trifecta of MS 63 Halves! A great condition to collect; nice looking but not insane prices.
'00, '01, and '07 in 63 can be considered a nice start to a year set DancingFire!
Just shy of $1000. each.. I guess for some it might not be "insane" but the number of collectors at that level are in thinner air than most. Back in the '90's and earlier, I used to collect higher-end material but that is not as possible today due to the price level increases in the last two decades. I am finding, for example, trying to repeat Vern's raw quarter set is a daunting task from both a price structure as well as a quality perspective. In that specific case, the big 3 are tough to find nice and pay for too. It is not impossible, just tougher and you need more fortitude or stamina to do it.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Look at the prices for MS 65 coins and you'll understand my point.
I agree that finding nice raw Barber material is getting VERY tough, especially the Halves. Raw problem coins are plentiful, however.
I've been focusing on Barber Dimes and Quarter the last 9 months, but while at FUN in January I spotted a nice '95 S Barber Half and picked it up. It came back from California today in a PCGS MS 63 holder:
It's a tougher date and helps out my MS set. Now I hope those spots don't bloom.
From your lips to God's ears, Jeff.
Following in Jeff's footsteps.... here's a raw { I hope AU 58 } Dime
I have this date in MS 63 CAC & PR 64 CAM
AU 58's are just harder to find...
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
Well my efforts of the past year to finish my Whitman Album of 1892-1906 Barber Halves is almost finished. Still have the 92P and 94O left. Those always come in AU but almost never with the look I like in VG10 to VF20. Its been nice to commit to this set. Should have stuck with it 25 years ago.
Haven't sent anything for grading in a couple of years now. I'll probably do so this spring. Among the coins I'd like to have validation for is this 1914S quarter, which is a deep blazer, sadly uncaptured in my photo, but should garner a straight 55 I suspect.
Thanks, IMO MS63/64 Barber halves are at a very reasonable price.
Dennis, Nice enough picture to see reflectivity on that '14-S in raw form - especially when from looking from the reverse perspective. Great coin - comes across to me as an earlier striking.
To finish a quality half set is quite an accomplishment! so congratulations. I remember not too long ago you shared with the BMT a picture of one of the blue album pages - nice, peasing, quality halves as I remember with correct color. Just found the picture from December 21, 2016...
Thanks for the collecting pursuit update. You'll have to post updated pictures of the album once complete!
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
That's a great looking '14 S Quarter- tough date. I agree, it should get a 55. What's going on with the mushy looking "S" mintmark?
Mike-
Your '15 Dime looks looks like a MS 63 to me; sorry?
'14-S 25c mushy mintmark is a typical thing that comes with this date for some reason... noted in the Lawrence text as "Coins with a soft, filled "S" are genuine, though they may look odd." From my recollection, I thought there was a clear mintmark type available... and I have always wondered if a "clear" mintmark should actually be considered scarce for this date and mint. Mushy MM's are not.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Jeff... I'll carry it around for a few weeks in my pants' pockets.
Without any other coin coming in contact with it. After two or
three weeks, there should be just enough rub to preclude a MS
grade.
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases
Mike, You know you guys make me cringe everytime you say that! A note to everyone... Please don't intentionally attempt (or think about) downgrading coins... I know you may be saying that in jest but some other poor soul will pick up that idea then the next thing you know... we blow up 58 populations and reduce 63 / 64 populations that will not be there for future generations. Ugghhh.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Jeff - I'd suggest hitting the reverse of your 06-D dime with a little acetone before sending it in. and congrats on the 95-S half.
DancingFire - Nice trio of halves. Are there more to come?
Mike - Hope our 15-P dime hits the number.
Dennis - Good luck with your last 2 halves. Nice looking raw 14-S. Amazing to find it that way. 55 doesn't seem out of the question at all.
Pics for this AM, from Paesan's Stash, PC58:
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It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got.
'96-P half. Unbelievable quality. Very nice surface quality and color. Nice job Lenny. Thanks for sharing Vern.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Lenny
No secret the 96-P is a tougher coin to find. Yours is a beauty. Ready to go fishing?
Jim
Mike-
I don't have a '15 AU 58 Dime either; the best I've come up with in the wild is a 55. I've seen a lot of problem coins that looked 58, but shipped them all back. I'm still in the hunt for a 58 raw one as well (more fun than finding them in holders for me). It shouldn't be this tough!
Vern- The 1906 D Dime came from London; I haven't soaked it in acetone yet. I was thinking the foreign crud might enhance it's value. Guess not.
Here's another raw quarter pickup- a 1895 O:
For whatever reason I've had a hard time tracking down a decent '95 O that wasn't pricey; is it that tough of a date?
Jeff, On the '95-O 25c, Bowers says "Coins in all grades above VG are in great demand, and EF and AU coins are very scarce." "Significantly undervalued in all price grades." Lawrence states, "An underrated date in strong demand from Fine to MS64. Suprisingly tough in Mint State." PCGS for AU has a population total of 53 (14 in AU58). NGC pop in AU of 26 (20 in AU58).
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
I'm hoping mine grades XF 45; may the grading Gods be with me. I don't see AU in the cards for this one.....
Its not like I'm cracking it out of a slab - the coin is raw - I've seen the chips fall as they may - and
I doubt this will affect anything one way or the other.
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I'm hoping it grades !!
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
New Barber Purchases