I haven't been downsizing my photos before uploading; perhaps that is creating a problem for some? I guess my internet is fast and I don't see the problem. On the plus side the large files can be enlarged to see a lot of detail. Are large files creating problems for others as well?
@JeffMTampa said:
I haven't been downsizing my photos before uploading; perhaps that is creating a problem for some? I guess my internet is fast and I don't see the problem. On the plus side the large files can be enlarged to see a lot of detail. Are large files creating problems for others as well?
Here's a 1902 Quarter I purchased raw a couple years back (before I started putting together a set). It came back from our hosts in a MS 62 holder. I finally got around to shooting it today:
@JeffMTampa said:
Here's a 1902 Quarter I purchased raw a couple years back (before I started putting together a set). It came back from our hosts in a MS 62 holder. I finally got around to shooting it today:
I spotted this coin in a CAC submission for SROTAG and liked it.
He and I have an arrangement if either of us buy one of each other's
coins thru Heritage auction. Needless to say - I just upgraded my 1895
Nickel with this MS 64:
I still can't understand how RPM, DDR, etc. are recognized as varities by our hosts but the 1892 Type 1 and 2 Quarters aren't even acknowledged in Coinfacts. Here are my examples of the 1892 P.
Sedulous, 1898-S quarters commonly have complete doubling on all elements of the reverse. I own two. PCGS won't call it a double die. It's evidently shelf doubling. Still, very cool feature.
A raw 1892 O Quarter arrived in the mail today with very odd looking surfaces:
The surfaces look very granular; is it possible it's a fake? I see signs of shelf doubling on the reverse, but I suppose that doesn't mean the coin was struck. Any ideas on this one?
@sedulous said:
Overexposure to H2O with mineral content.
I agree the coin is re-toned, but I don't think fire caused the raised bumps. I don't think exposure to water (or other liquids) would cause the raised bumps either- that would cause depressions.
Jeff, Another possibility...which explains my earlier response is it takes a long dip to make a coin white that has been buried or in a fire. That will do that to the surfaces of a coin. While I can't rule out rusty dies...it is doubtful.
@amwldcoin said:
Jeff, Another possibility...which explains my earlier response is it takes a long dip to make a coin white that has been buried or in a fire. That will do that to the surfaces of a coin. While I can't rule out rusty dies...it is doubtful.
I don't think it's rusty dies; the problem occurs all over the coin. I can't imagine the mint picking up dies with that kind of problem on both sides and using them. I've seen over dipped coins before, but I haven't seen raised bubbles- have you?
it's odd that there are rather large bubbles in areas; that's what leads me to think that it might be a fake (bad transfer dies). I didn't weigh it (yet). I'm more curious to see if anyone has encountered this before.
For this morning, a look at the 1899-S mintmark that has an ongoing debate of whether it is an S/S or a single S with a good size divit-type of mark on top of the mintmark. Any thoughts?
The top center-left portion of the foremost S also has a trace of something that can be seen behind it. Something like the top left portion corner-edge of what I outlined in yellow here:
Jeff.... I have zero imput as to why your coin's surfaces look as they do.
What I was hoping to see is which type ( 1 or 2 ) your quarter is.
I have both types and based on my coins, your "O" mm is a type 1.
Type 2 is a bit higher off the bottom yet clears the design at the top.
Don't get all excited now, it's nothing like the "O" Micro O punch like
what was used on the Halves. Completely different style.
Images to follow once I am off this iPad....{ better late than never ! }
Here's my old Ty 2 that I sold in 8/2011
...and another Ty 2 ... but no CAC... [ which I sold to pick up a nicer example...]
Finally... found the one in my current collection - its staying put !!!
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... and my old Ty 1
...and another of my old Ty 1's....{ also an AU 58 }... which did not CAC....
...OMG... they're falling out of the wood work.... { No longer own this either !! } LOL
Jeff - I think it takes some lobbying by dealers and/or numismatic organizations (like the BCCS), etc., to get varieties recognized, whether it be by our hosts or by the "Red Book". Also, I agree with Darrell on your damaged 92-O, moisture or fire damage and some type of subsequent clean-up.
I suppose there's no real way to know what caused the damage to my '92 O Quarter, but it sounds like everyone thinks it's authentic likely with PMD. It's a Type 2 by the way. Now I need to argue with the seller about returning it; the listing had out of focus photos and a no return policy.
@JeffMTampa said:
I still can't understand how RPM, DDR, etc. are recognized as varities by our hosts but the 1892 Type 1 and 2 Quarters aren't even acknowledged in Coinfacts.
An oversight in my opinion from our host. ATS does will list them as Type I and II (for a fee of course). I don't have my CPG in front of me, but I thought that I seen at least a mention on the Types.
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@sedulous said:
For this morning, a look at the 1899-S mintmark that has an ongoing debate of whether it is an S/S or a single S with a good size divit-type of mark on top of the mintmark. Any thoughts?
The top center-left portion of the foremost S also has a trace of something that can be seen behind it. Something like the top left portion corner-edge of what I outlined in yellow here:
My guess is a die chip between the portions of the "S". It's a tiny piece and can easily fall out.
I've notice on several Barber Quarters from San Francisco that there's a common die chip in the loop of the last "S" in STATES (reverse). Here's an 1892 S:
And here's a '94 S:
Has anyone else noticed this? I haven't seen it from other mints (but my experiences pales to the crowd here).
Comments
I haven't been downsizing my photos before uploading; perhaps that is creating a problem for some? I guess my internet is fast and I don't see the problem. On the plus side the large files can be enlarged to see a lot of detail. Are large files creating problems for others as well?
Yeah....your pictures are huge!
Jeff, Detail is great but there is a happier medium I hope to balance file size and detail
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Jeff,
Keep up the good work.
Your photos are great IMO. Others just have photo envy!!
Jim.
Here's a 1902 Quarter I purchased raw a couple years back (before I started putting together a set). It came back from our hosts in a MS 62 holder. I finally got around to shooting it today:
Notice that I resized the images?
Yeah! Bang and it is there!
Sweet coin and good job with file size to detail balance... turned out perfect! The golden yellow color looks amazing!
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Nice looking Quarter, Jeff.
I spotted this coin in a CAC submission for SROTAG and liked it.
He and I have an arrangement if either of us buy one of each other's
coins thru Heritage auction. Needless to say - I just upgraded my 1895
Nickel with this MS 64:
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Nice one!
Interesting find today. 1898-S quarter DDR. I see it is not recognized by our hosts or NGC but is part of the BCCS variety survey:
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Perhaps it is the lighting, but that 1898-S quarter looks either dug or counterfeit.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Yes Tom, this specimen has environmental surface contamination. Good eye. It was purchased very cheaply.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Lot's of nice coins posted the past couple of days.
Mike - Why did our hosts gen your grandfather's pocket change?
Tim - Nice variety pick.
Pics for this AM, from Jim's No Headlight collection, PC58:
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I still can't understand how RPM, DDR, etc. are recognized as varities by our hosts but the 1892 Type 1 and 2 Quarters aren't even acknowledged in Coinfacts. Here are my examples of the 1892 P.
Type 1, PC AU 53:
Type 2, AU PC AU 58:
Sedulous, 1898-S quarters commonly have complete doubling on all elements of the reverse. I own two. PCGS won't call it a double die. It's evidently shelf doubling. Still, very cool feature.
Thanks Lenny
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Machine doubling on an 09-o quarter I have. The 3rd one of this date I've had with this effect.
A raw 1892 O Quarter arrived in the mail today with very odd looking surfaces:
The surfaces look very granular; is it possible it's a fake? I see signs of shelf doubling on the reverse, but I suppose that doesn't mean the coin was struck. Any ideas on this one?
Jeff, My guess from the pictures is a cleaned up ground find that has retoned. Could also be the same from a fire!
Overexposure to H2O with mineral content.
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
I agree the coin is re-toned, but I don't think fire caused the raised bumps. I don't think exposure to water (or other liquids) would cause the raised bumps either- that would cause depressions.
So are you thinking rusted die? or maybe something in the annealing process?
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Jeff, Another possibility...which explains my earlier response is it takes a long dip to make a coin white that has been buried or in a fire. That will do that to the surfaces of a coin. While I can't rule out rusty dies...it is doubtful.
I don't think it's rusty dies; the problem occurs all over the coin. I can't imagine the mint picking up dies with that kind of problem on both sides and using them. I've seen over dipped coins before, but I haven't seen raised bubbles- have you?
it's odd that there are rather large bubbles in areas; that's what leads me to think that it might be a fake (bad transfer dies). I didn't weigh it (yet). I'm more curious to see if anyone has encountered this before.
For this morning, a look at the 1899-S mintmark that has an ongoing debate of whether it is an S/S or a single S with a good size divit-type of mark on top of the mintmark. Any thoughts?
The top center-left portion of the foremost S also has a trace of something that can be seen behind it. Something like the top left portion corner-edge of what I outlined in yellow here:
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Jeff...the surfaces of your 92-O look etched to me.
Tim, your next to the last imagine shows it best, looks like post mint damage to me.
Jeff.... I have zero imput as to why your coin's surfaces look as they do.
What I was hoping to see is which type ( 1 or 2 ) your quarter is.
I have both types and based on my coins, your "O" mm is a type 1.
Type 2 is a bit higher off the bottom yet clears the design at the top.
Don't get all excited now, it's nothing like the "O" Micro O punch like
what was used on the Halves. Completely different style.
Images to follow once I am off this iPad....{ better late than never ! }
Here's my old Ty 2 that I sold in 8/2011
...and another Ty 2 ... but no CAC... [ which I sold to pick up a nicer example...]
Finally... found the one in my current collection - its staying put !!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
... and my old Ty 1
...and another of my old Ty 1's....{ also an AU 58 }... which did not CAC....
...OMG... they're falling out of the wood work.... { No longer own this either !! } LOL
The current Queen of the May...lol....
I think the nicest Ty 1 I ever had...JMHO....
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New Barber Purchases
Jeff - I think it takes some lobbying by dealers and/or numismatic organizations (like the BCCS), etc., to get varieties recognized, whether it be by our hosts or by the "Red Book". Also, I agree with Darrell on your damaged 92-O, moisture or fire damage and some type of subsequent clean-up.
Pics for this AM, from Milo's collection, PC58:
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That '97 S is a beauty.
I suppose there's no real way to know what caused the damage to my '92 O Quarter, but it sounds like everyone thinks it's authentic likely with PMD. It's a Type 2 by the way. Now I need to argue with the seller about returning it; the listing had out of focus photos and a no return policy.
An oversight in my opinion from our host. ATS does will list them as Type I and II (for a fee of course). I don't have my CPG in front of me, but I thought that I seen at least a mention on the Types.
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My guess is a die chip between the portions of the "S". It's a tiny piece and can easily fall out.
I've notice on several Barber Quarters from San Francisco that there's a common die chip in the loop of the last "S" in STATES (reverse). Here's an 1892 S:
And here's a '94 S:
Has anyone else noticed this? I haven't seen it from other mints (but my experiences pales to the crowd here).
Jeff...Not that I have noticed before... but here are a few larger images of my S minted Quarters...
My eyesight isn't as sharp as it once was... see any die chips ??
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New Barber Purchases
I see nothing on your coins, Mike.
Here's a 1908 S with a chip in the "S" mintmark:
Umm when did you get that beautiful 01-S?
Hoard the keys
Thought some here might enjoy this thread I started:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/975229/barber-half-pop-analysis-f-vf-xf-au/p1?new=1
Maybe it will bring more folks into the Barber arena!
Mark-
What's going on with the tail feathers/ mint mark on the '92 S?
Not sure bud. That's Mike's coin.
Hoard the keys
Good question, I think it was a die chip on my Ty 1 - 1892-S with
Center MM....
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New Barber Purchases
Not too sure if I have posted this - it just arrived yesterday....
Nice addition to the V Nickel Proof Set:
Yes, I noticed the pin dot at 11:00 ... still a nice coin and Albanese thought so too...:)
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For no real purpose other than to bump this thread along here's my 1908 O Half in PC AU 58 with a green bean:
Your turn.
Tim - I vote for die chip on your 99-S MM.
Jeff - I've seen some die chips in the S's. I'll try to find a pic or two.
Darrell - Interesting data you put together.
Mike - Congrats on the proof V newp.
Pics for this AM, from Paesan's Stash, PC2:
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Pics for this AM, another from Paesan's Stash, PC55:
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Here's a newp for the Whitman that I just put my order in for. One of the dates that isn't a challenge until you need one.
I've found the '02 S Half is a VERY tough date, especially in XF to AU. That's a very vice looking coin.
No new coins today, but I learned a new presentation skill. Here's my MS '13 S Half:
Ive been dreaming of an 02s like that for a long while. I will trade you my F15 for it.
Congrats on a great coin. My search continues.
Nice 02-s half. Looks like a Revick coin. I looked awhile for that date also. Pretty tough XF AU. Congrats
Jim
Lenny, Some really nice, quality quarters there.
Dennis, I love your '02-S Half!
Jeff, Nice coin, nice picture!
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Lenny has nothing but the best; the many years of "fine tuning" really shows.
Here's my 1892 O MS Half:
I found this one raw about 3 years ago. It's beginning to get some spotty toning that wasn't there when I had it graded.
Isn't there a measure you can take with Pcgs?
Hoard the keys