i was going to interject and respectfully ask that we talk about how awesome the Bears are going to be this year, but you guys are in rare form this morning so please proceed
@stevek said:
BTW: If Tom Brady stops playing the way Bill Belicheck wants, Belichick will get rid of him to.
Bill Belichick doesn't call the offensive plays, Josh McDaniels does and its definitely not a situation where Josh looks to Bill every play. Not to mention Brady has the authority to change the play at the line depending on what the defense is doing pre-snap.
As Perk just pointed out, Belichick can't get rid of Brady if he wanted to because that move is way above Bill's paygrade.
Yea I know...you and Perkdog are enamored with Josh McDaniels...a guy who failed miserably when he was given an opportunity as head coach.
Without question, it is Belichick who is the genius behind the game plan, and then McDaniels carries it out during the game as offensive coordinator, and obviously Belichick will interject when he sees or wants something during the game. That is a fact.
Josh failed because he didn’t have Tom Brady, FACT! regardless of how you spin it with your next foolish Patriots post
Why didn’t Belichek get the Patriots to the playoffs in ‘08? Because he didn’t have Tom Brady he had Matt Cassell. There’s some common sense thinking for ya Steve. Spin that one lol
@stevek Josh McDaniels the head coach has ZERO to do with this conversation,you're just deflecting from the fact that you have kinky wall sex with some Philly posters
unlike your bedroom wall pic of Tom Brady. LOL
That is the saddest attempt at a comeback that this forum has ever seen. You were better off just throwing a "I know you are but what am I" out there.
@stevek said:
BTW: If Tom Brady stops playing the way Bill Belicheck wants, Belichick will get rid of him to.
Bill Belichick doesn't call the offensive plays, Josh McDaniels does and its definitely not a situation where Josh looks to Bill every play. Not to mention Brady has the authority to change the play at the line depending on what the defense is doing pre-snap.
As Perk just pointed out, Belichick can't get rid of Brady if he wanted to because that move is way above Bill's paygrade.
Yea I know...you and Perkdog are enamored with Josh McDaniels...a guy who failed miserably when he was given an opportunity as head coach.
Without question, it is Belichick who is the genius behind the game plan, and then McDaniels carries it out during the game as offensive coordinator, and obviously Belichick will interject when he sees or wants something during the game. That is a fact.
Josh failed because he didn’t have Tom Brady, FACT! regardless of how you spin it with your next foolish Patriots post
Foolish to state as I have many times that Bill Belichick is the greatest NFL football coach of all time?
Perhaps I should begin comparing Belichick to Steve Spurrier, the worst NFL head coach I have ever seen. LOL
@perkdog said:
Why didn’t Belichek get the Patriots to the playoffs in ‘08? Because he didn’t have Tom Brady he had Matt Cassell. There’s some common sense thinking for ya Steve. Spin that one lol
Not to mention that 2008 team finished with 5 less wins than the 2007 team with Brady did. No Brady led Pats team had ever finished with 5 less wins than the year before. Hell Brady has only lost more than 5 games in a season twice in seventeen years.
The Almighy Eagles have lost more than 5 games 13 times during that same time span.
@erikthredd said: @stevek Josh McDaniels the head coach has ZERO to do with this conversation,you're just deflecting from the fact that you have kinky wall sex with some Philly posters
unlike your bedroom wall pic of Tom Brady. LOL
That is the saddest attempt at a comeback that this forum has ever seen. You were better off just throwing a "I know you are but what am I" out there.
The fact is that my admiration for Pederson and Wentz doesn't come even remotely close to yours for Tom Brady.
Actually, I've never "hero worshiped" any athlete in my entire life, not even as a kid, and I never will. I respect them for the athletes that they are and the entertainment and enjoyment that I get from rooting for my favorite teams.
@stevek said:
BTW: If Tom Brady stops playing the way Bill Belicheck wants, Belichick will get rid of him to.
Bill Belichick doesn't call the offensive plays, Josh McDaniels does and its definitely not a situation where Josh looks to Bill every play. Not to mention Brady has the authority to change the play at the line depending on what the defense is doing pre-snap.
As Perk just pointed out, Belichick can't get rid of Brady if he wanted to because that move is way above Bill's paygrade.
Yea I know...you and Perkdog are enamored with Josh McDaniels...a guy who failed miserably when he was given an opportunity as head coach.
Without question, it is Belichick who is the genius behind the game plan, and then McDaniels carries it out during the game as offensive coordinator, and obviously Belichick will interject when he sees or wants something during the game. That is a fact.
Josh failed because he didn’t have Tom Brady, FACT! regardless of how you spin it with your next foolish Patriots post
Foolish to state as I have many times that Bill Belichick is the greatest NFL football coach of all time?
Perhaps I should begin comparing Belichick to Steve Spurrier, the worst NFL head coach I have ever seen. LOL
See this is the part you don't get, we think Belichick is the greatest NFL football coach of all time as well but he's not the main reason for their success the past 17 years,Brady is.
Steve how about you leave the Belichick Youtube clips where they are and actually go watch some Patriots games so you have a semblance of what's really happening in these Pats games.
Without Brady, Belichick & NE would have been lucky to maybe win one SB if they could even get there. Without Brady,Bledsoe would have been the starter for most of those years in NE and he wasn't good enough to get NE over the hump. The only reason why Bledsoe never got his job back is because Tom Brady had a .780 winning percentage in 2001 and won the SB. Ironically 16 seasons later and Brady's career winning percentage is still at .780 with a handful of rings to boot.
@perkdog said:
Why didn’t Belichek get the Patriots to the playoffs in ‘08? Because he didn’t have Tom Brady he had Matt Cassell. There’s some common sense thinking for ya Steve. Spin that one lol
No spin needed, the Brady hero worship speaks for itself. LOL
@erikthredd said: @stevek Josh McDaniels the head coach has ZERO to do with this conversation,you're just deflecting from the fact that you have kinky wall sex with some Philly posters
unlike your bedroom wall pic of Tom Brady. LOL
That is the saddest attempt at a comeback that this forum has ever seen. You were better off just throwing a "I know you are but what am I" out there.
The fact is that my admiration for Pederson and Wentz doesn't come even remotely close to yours for Tom Brady.
Actually, I've never "hero worshiped" any athlete in my entire life, not even as a kid, and I never will. I respect them for the athletes that they are and the entertainment and enjoyment that I get from rooting for my favorite teams.
Says the guy that gets a chubb everytime Doug Pederson's name gets mentioned.
And if there ever was a pro athlete to "hero worship" it should be Brady whose been a perfect role model for his entire career but sadly I don't "hero worship" Tom Brady. I just think he's more responsible for NE's success than Belichick.
You don't get it seeing that you don't faithfully watch New England Patriots games on a weekly basis.
You don't have a clue because you don't see what us Pats fans see all the time,that Brady is on a level with Michael Jordan & Wayne Gretzky.
@stevek said:
BTW: If Tom Brady stops playing the way Bill Belicheck wants, Belichick will get rid of him to.
Bill Belichick doesn't call the offensive plays, Josh McDaniels does and its definitely not a situation where Josh looks to Bill every play. Not to mention Brady has the authority to change the play at the line depending on what the defense is doing pre-snap.
As Perk just pointed out, Belichick can't get rid of Brady if he wanted to because that move is way above Bill's paygrade.
Yea I know...you and Perkdog are enamored with Josh McDaniels...a guy who failed miserably when he was given an opportunity as head coach.
Without question, it is Belichick who is the genius behind the game plan, and then McDaniels carries it out during the game as offensive coordinator, and obviously Belichick will interject when he sees or wants something during the game. That is a fact.
Josh failed because he didn’t have Tom Brady, FACT! regardless of how you spin it with your next foolish Patriots post
Foolish to state as I have many times that Bill Belichick is the greatest NFL football coach of all time?
Perhaps I should begin comparing Belichick to Steve Spurrier, the worst NFL head coach I have ever seen. LOL
See this is the part you don't get, we think Belichick is the greatest NFL football coach of all time as well but he's not the main reason for their success the past 17 years,Brady is.
Steve how about you leave the Belichick Youtube clips where they are and actually go watch some Patriots games so you have a semblance of what's really happening in these Pats games.
Without Brady, Belichick & NE would have been lucky to maybe win one SB if they could even get there. Without Brady,Bledsoe would have been the starter for most of those years in NE and he wasn't good enough to get NE over the hump. The only reason why Bledsoe never got his job back is because Tom Brady had a .780 winning percentage in 2001 and won the SB. Ironically 16 seasons later and Brady's career winning percentage is still at .780 with a handful of rings to boot.
Well Eric the question that can never be answered is how great would Tom Brady be without Belichick.
Did Belichick and Brady have a symbiotic relationship throughout their years of success? Of course they did, that's not debatable. My contention is that Belichick was more important to Brady, than Brady was to Belichick.
I have no doubt that without Brady, Belichick would have won Super Bowls. Would Brady have won Super Bowls with just an average NFL head coach - I sincerely doubt it.
That's my viewpoint and i'm sticking with it.
Good luck to your Patriots in the upcoming season. Perhaps we'll meet again in the 2019 Super Bowl?
Steve you ask how great would Brady be without Belichick but how about flipping that question,how great has Belichick been without Brady?
Here's Belichick's career won loss record without Tom Brady:
With the Browns 36-44 0-1 in the playoffs
With the Patriots 20-16 no playoffs
The guy has a career 56-60 NFL won-loss record but you keep telling us he can win without Brady when there is Zero
evidence of that statement being true. His best season in NE without Brady was 2008 when they went 11-5 with Matt Cassel and didn't make the playoffs. Matt Cassel & Belichick led a team that had just gone16-0 with an offense that scored the most points in NFL history and they couldn't even make the playoffs.
We'll probably never know how good Bradywould be without Belichick just because Tom's days are numbered and he isn't going to go play elsewhere.
BB is an absolute great head coach and was pretty much groomed in the game of football going back to a very young age at the Naval Academy with his father coaching there. I wouldn't trade BB for any other coach in football but Brady deserves the most credit for their success. This isn't a fanboy answer,its from someone that has watched every game going back 25+years.
We can argue this topic endlessly (and we do lol) but I will say as a Pats fan,its pretty great that both player & coach where my team's colors
@perkdog said:
Why didn’t Belichek get the Patriots to the playoffs in ‘08? Because he didn’t have Tom Brady he had Matt Cassell. There’s some common sense thinking for ya Steve. Spin that one lol
No spin needed, the Brady hero worship speaks for itself. LOL
I’m not “hero worshipping” anyone, it’s sports talk forum bud, remember? On a personal note I think Brady is a whack job and have no interest in him outside of Gameday.
@erikthredd said:
Steve you ask how great would Brady be without Belichick but how about flipping that question,how great has Belichick been without Brady?
Here's Belichick's career won loss record without Tom Brady:
With the Browns 36-44 0-1 in the playoffs
With the Patriots 20-16 no playoffs
The guy has a career 56-60 NFL won-loss record but you keep telling us he can win without Brady when there is Zero
evidence of that statement being true. His best season in NE without Brady was 2008 when they went 11-5 with Matt Cassel and didn't make the playoffs. Matt Cassel & Belichick led a team that had just gone16-0 with an offense that scored the most points in NFL history and they couldn't even make the playoffs.
We'll probably never know how good Bradywould be without Belichick just because Tom's days are numbered and he isn't going to go play elsewhere.
BB is an absolute great head coach and was pretty much groomed in the game of football going back to a very young age at the Naval Academy with his father coaching there. I wouldn't trade BB for any other coach in football but Brady deserves the most credit for their success. This isn't a fanboy answer,its from someone that has watched every game going back 25+years.
We can argue this topic endlessly (and we do lol) but I will say as a Pats fan,its pretty great that both player & coach where my team's colors
Your overall point is understandable and I never stated it wasn't a valid point of view...except in smack which was obviously just breaking stones.
However, and it's a BIG however, again, I've never seen such genius in a football coach as I have with Bill Belichick watching his interviews. It's extraordinary. Hearing him talk football to me is like listening to Clapton play the guitar. I get the same feeling of genius on display.
And that's what I've based my viewpoint on in the comparison of Belichick and Brady in their remarkable run of success as to who was the most important factor.
Frankly, you Patriots fans are damn fortunate to be having a debate such as this. Any other true football fan in any other city would dream of someday having their team engaged in such a debate.
@perkdog said:
I’m not “hero worshipping” anyone, it’s sports talk forum bud, remember? On a personal note I think Brady is a whack job and have no interest in him outside of Gameday.
Paul, I hope you know i'm just breaking stones.
and I mean it...I'm not going to suddenly say, "Now go home and get your shine box."
@stevek it's all in good fun. You might want to check out Patriots All Access,it's a weekly 30min Patriots tv show that has two segments where former Pats QB/current radio gameday announcer Scott Zolak interviews Belichick about their previous opponent then the next opponent. The most recent shows are on the Pats website but here's one from training camp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq4Uf_JrzLo
@perkdog said:
I’m not “hero worshipping” anyone, it’s sports talk forum bud, remember? On a personal note I think Brady is a whack job and have no interest in him outside of Gameday.
Paul, I hope you know i'm just breaking stones.
and I mean it...I'm not going to suddenly say, "Now go home and get your shine box."
Steve, it’s always good with you and I the way I see it, I figured we have established a good enough rapport with each other over the years that it goes without saying that your a good guy in my book. However if this was the Wild West I would consider you a “Confidence Man”.
@stevek said:
BTW: If Tom Brady stops playing the way Bill Belicheck wants, Belichick will get rid of him to.
Bill Belichick doesn't call the offensive plays, Josh McDaniels does and its definitely not a situation where Josh looks to Bill every play. Not to mention Brady has the authority to change the play at the line depending on what the defense is doing pre-snap.
As Perk just pointed out, Belichick can't get rid of Brady if he wanted to because that move is way above Bill's paygrade.
Yea I know...you and Perkdog are enamored with Josh McDaniels...a guy who failed miserably when he was given an opportunity as head coach.
Without question, it is Belichick who is the genius behind the game plan, and then McDaniels carries it out during the game as offensive coordinator, and obviously Belichick will interject when he sees or wants something during the game. That is a fact.
Didn’t Belichick fail miserably his first stint at head coach? So much so that It took him several years before he got another chance.
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@perkdog said:
I’m not “hero worshipping” anyone, it’s sports talk forum bud, remember? On a personal note I think Brady is a whack job and have no interest in him outside of Gameday.
Paul, I hope you know i'm just breaking stones.
and I mean it...I'm not going to suddenly say, "Now go home and get your shine box."
Steve, it’s always good with you and I the way I see it, I figured we have established a good enough rapport with each other over the years that it goes without saying that your a good guy in my book. However if this was the Wild West I would consider you a “Confidence Man”.
And if you called me that in the wild west, I'd have to ask you to join me in the center of the street for a duel with our six-guns.
And I'm a pretty good shot, although it might take me a half-hour to get the gun out of the holster.
@stevek said:
BTW: If Tom Brady stops playing the way Bill Belicheck wants, Belichick will get rid of him to.
Bill Belichick doesn't call the offensive plays, Josh McDaniels does and its definitely not a situation where Josh looks to Bill every play. Not to mention Brady has the authority to change the play at the line depending on what the defense is doing pre-snap.
As Perk just pointed out, Belichick can't get rid of Brady if he wanted to because that move is way above Bill's paygrade.
Yea I know...you and Perkdog are enamored with Josh McDaniels...a guy who failed miserably when he was given an opportunity as head coach.
Without question, it is Belichick who is the genius behind the game plan, and then McDaniels carries it out during the game as offensive coordinator, and obviously Belichick will interject when he sees or wants something during the game. That is a fact.
Didn’t Belichick fail miserably his first stint at head coach? So much so that It took him several years before he got another chance.
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You can google that story between him and the jerk owner Art Modell, and then come to your own conclusion.
Even back then, his players from that time expressed admiration for Bill Belichick, the same admiration that Tom Brady so rightly acknowledges.
@perkdog said:
I’m not “hero worshipping” anyone, it’s sports talk forum bud, remember? On a personal note I think Brady is a whack job and have no interest in him outside of Gameday.
Paul, I hope you know i'm just breaking stones.
and I mean it...I'm not going to suddenly say, "Now go home and get your shine box."
Steve, it’s always good with you and I the way I see it, I figured we have established a good enough rapport with each other over the years that it goes without saying that your a good guy in my book. However if this was the Wild West I would consider you a “Confidence Man”.
And if you called me that in the wild west, I'd have to ask you to join me in the center of the street for a duel with our six-guns.
And I'm a pretty good shot, although it might take me a half-hour to get the gun out of the holster.
I have a feeling I own a lot more guns than you though lol
@galaxy27 said:
i was going to interject and respectfully ask that we talk about how awesome the Bears are going to be this year, but you guys are in rare form this morning so please proceed
Is WR Kendall Wright any good? NE had him in for a workout today and i saw that he played for Chicago last season.
Kendall Wright was a very “Decent” slot type receiver who had some big games with Tennessee however he fits the mold of a guy who will disappear for several games. Zero consistency
@perkdog said:
I’m not “hero worshipping” anyone, it’s sports talk forum bud, remember? On a personal note I think Brady is a whack job and have no interest in him outside of Gameday.
Paul, I hope you know i'm just breaking stones.
and I mean it...I'm not going to suddenly say, "Now go home and get your shine box."
Steve, it’s always good with you and I the way I see it, I figured we have established a good enough rapport with each other over the years that it goes without saying that your a good guy in my book. However if this was the Wild West I would consider you a “Confidence Man”.
And if you called me that in the wild west, I'd have to ask you to join me in the center of the street for a duel with our six-guns.
And I'm a pretty good shot, although it might take me a half-hour to get the gun out of the holster.
I have a feeling I own a lot more guns than you though lol
I have a feeling that anyone breaking into Perkdog's house, wouldn't be feeling very well the next day.
@perkdog said:
Kendall Wright was a very “Decent” slot type receiver who had some big games with Tennessee however he fits the mold of a guy who will disappear for several games. Zero consistency
Thanks, I remember him getting picked in the first round a few years back but not much after that. Best case scenario,I'd rather have them give him a shot over some undrafted rookie or PS guy. Pretty much any WR the Pats sign will be the 4th-6th wideout on the depth chart and won't be expected to do much statwise.
@erikthredd said: @stevek it's all in good fun. You might want to check out Patriots All Access,it's a weekly 30min Patriots tv show that has two segments where former Pats QB/current radio gameday announcer Scott Zolak interviews Belichick about their previous opponent then the next opponent. The most recent shows are on the Pats website but here's one from training camp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq4Uf_JrzLo
That video with Belichick was more or less fluff. In press conferences and interviews when he is talking football strategy, etc, that's when Belichick truly is enjoyable to listen to.
Probably the "Patriots All Access" thing does that with Belichick, gets into football X's and O's, etc, once the season is under way.
@galaxy27 said:
i was going to interject and respectfully ask that we talk about how awesome the Bears are going to be this year, but you guys are in rare form this morning so please proceed
Is WR Kendall Wright any good? NE had him in for a workout today and i saw that he played for Chicago last season.
Pedestrian at best. 19 TDs in 6 seasons. Which means he's ripe for 1200 & 10 with Brady at the helm.
@galaxy27 said:
i was going to interject and respectfully ask that we talk about how awesome the Bears are going to be this year, but you guys are in rare form this morning so please proceed
Is WR Kendall Wright any good? NE had him in for a workout today and i saw that he played for Chicago last season.
Pedestrian at best. 19 TDs in 6 seasons. Which means he's ripe for 1200 & 10 with Brady at the helm.
Or is it with Belichick as coach?
So basically a back-end depth chart guy at best,gotcha. Who knows if they even sign him. If they do and he has some success i think Pats WR coach Chad O'Shea & OC Josh McDaniels would get most of the credit then maybe Brady. Belichick would ultimately get the credit for signing him but if those first two I mentioned can't get hi up to speed with their system the signing won't really matter.
@erikthredd said: @stevek it's all in good fun. You might want to check out Patriots All Access,it's a weekly 30min Patriots tv show that has two segments where former Pats QB/current radio gameday announcer Scott Zolak interviews Belichick about their previous opponent then the next opponent. The most recent shows are on the Pats website but here's one from training camp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq4Uf_JrzLo
That video with Belichick was more or less fluff. In press conferences and interviews when he is talking football strategy, etc, that's when Belichick truly is enjoyable to listen to.
Probably the "Patriots All Access" thing does that with Belichick, gets into football X's and O's, etc, once the season is under way.
I posted that video for you but didn't actually watch it. Belichick's at his best when he digs into the x's & o's and that show does show alot of this. There's even a segment where he breaks down plays on the "Belestrator" where's he fast forwarding & rewinding plays to show what some opponents do best or someone on the Pats. I must have just picked out one that missed this.
@galaxy27 said:
i was going to interject and respectfully ask that we talk about how awesome the Bears are going to be this year, but you guys are in rare form this morning so please proceed
Is WR Kendall Wright any good? NE had him in for a workout today and i saw that he played for Chicago last season.
Pedestrian at best. 19 TDs in 6 seasons. Which means he's ripe for 1200 & 10 with Brady at the helm.
Or is it with Belichick as coach?
So basically a back-end depth chart guy at best,gotcha. Who knows if they even sign him. If they do and he has some success i think Pats WR coach Chad O'Shea & OC Josh McDaniels would get most of the credit then maybe Brady. Belichick would ultimately get the credit for signing him but if those first two I mentioned can't get hi up to speed with their system the signing won't really matter.
@erikthredd said: @stevek it's all in good fun. You might want to check out Patriots All Access,it's a weekly 30min Patriots tv show that has two segments where former Pats QB/current radio gameday announcer Scott Zolak interviews Belichick about their previous opponent then the next opponent. The most recent shows are on the Pats website but here's one from training camp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq4Uf_JrzLo
That video with Belichick was more or less fluff. In press conferences and interviews when he is talking football strategy, etc, that's when Belichick truly is enjoyable to listen to.
Probably the "Patriots All Access" thing does that with Belichick, gets into football X's and O's, etc, once the season is under way.
I posted that video for you but didn't actually watch it. Belichick's at his best when he digs into the x's & o's and that show does show alot of this. There's even a segment where he breaks down plays on the "Belestrator" where's he fast forwarding & rewinding plays to show what some opponents do best or someone on the Pats. I must have just picked out one that missed this.
Oh that is so cool the "Belestrator" - I enjoy that kind of chit.
@erikthredd said:
Looks like the Vikings just did a number on Jimmy Garoppolo in his first NFL loss. Under 50% completion percentage, three interceptions & three sacks.
He is going to be a disappointment, not the QB everyone thinks he is going to be
I see that the New York Giants drafting Saquon Barkley helped them get their first win today in their home opener.
Oops!
Take away Barkley's 68 yard run, and he has a miserable day of 17 carries for 38 yards.
As predicted by those knowledgeable about the game of football...yes, Barkley improves the team...but no, he will not meaningfully add to the Giants chances of sniffing the playoffs.
Perhaps the Giants will learn next draft and take a QB with their first pick like they should have in this draft. And learn from their mistake that when you are rebuilding a NFL football team, taking a running back with your high first round draft pick is not the correct choice.
@erikthredd said:
Looks like the Vikings just did a number on Jimmy Garoppolo in his first NFL loss. Under 50% completion percentage, three interceptions & three sacks.
He is going to be a disappointment, not the QB everyone thinks he is going to be
I think he would have had more success had he stayed in NE's system but i think he'll still be good in SF given time and as the 49ers GM keeps adding pieces around him.
I'm with you on the Browns,once CBS went to Patriots 5th Quarter i had espn's gamecast open hoping to see if they won. Its not a win but they should take solace that they hung with one of the AFC's legit contenders for 5 quarters.
Take away Barkley's 68 yard run, and he has a miserable day of 17 carries for 38 yards.
LOL, you can't "take away" a magnificent 68-yd TD run that was the reason the Giants almost pulled off the upset.
Over 100 yds rushing and a TD, not a bad first game in the NFL. Jax is arguably the best team in the NFL defensively. I expect the Giants to play better going forward. Barkley will be a special back.
The Giants need to improve the OL and do a better job at pass protecting.
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@grote15 said:
Take away Barkley's 68 yard run, and he has a miserable day of 17 carries for 38 yards.
LOL, you can't "take away" a magnificent 68-yd TD run that was the reason the Giants almost pulled off the upset.
Over 100 yds rushing and a TD, not a bad first game in the NFL. Jax is arguably the best team in the NFL defensively. I expect the Giants to play better going forward. Barkley will be a special back.
The Giants need to improve the OL and do a better job at pass protecting.
Almost pulled off the upset? What good does "almost" do? LOL
The Jaguars were 10-6 last season, and this was a home opener for the Giants. An NFL team should usually be expected to win a game such as this at home, if they're looking to make the playoffs. Especially with a new "special back" now on the team.
Frankly, it's arguable that the Giants 2018 season is already done. It's also arguable before that, when they mistakenly picked Barkley, that their 2018 season was already done.
Of course it's likely that Barkley will have a season of good stats overall, we all know that. However, we shall see how much it improves the Giants won-loss record, and their future going forward.
It's also arguable that the Giants 2019 season is also already done. Maybe in the 2019 draft, they want to screw it up again, and go for another number of years of not making the playoffs. LOL
@grote15 said:
Take away Barkley's 68 yard run, and he has a miserable day of 17 carries for 38 yards.
LOL, you can't "take away" a magnificent 68-yd TD run that was the reason the Giants almost pulled off the upset.
Over 100 yds rushing and a TD, not a bad first game in the NFL. Jax is arguably the best team in the NFL defensively. I expect the Giants to play better going forward. Barkley will be a special back.
The Giants need to improve the OL and do a better job at pass protecting.
Almost pulled off the upset? What good does "almost" do? LOL
The Jaguars were 10-6 last season, and this was a home opener for the Giants. An NFL team should usually be expected to win a game such as this at home, if they're looking to make the playoffs. Especially with a new "special back" now on the team.
Frankly, it's arguable that the Giants 2018 season is already done. It's also arguable before that, when they mistakenly picked Barkley, that their 2018 season was already done.
Of course it's likely that Barkley will have a season of good stats overall, we all know that. However, we shall see how much it improves the Giants won-loss record, and their future going forward.
It's also arguable that the Giants 2019 season is also already done. Maybe in the 2019 draft, they want to screw it up again, and go for another number of years of not making the playoffs. LOL
The Giants have a lot more to address than just the QB position. You like to pontificate, I know that, we all know that, and we also all know that at least half of what you assert turns out to be nonsense, we all know that, too, but one thing is for certain, there's a lot of football left and the Jets are going to see if a top 3 QB in the draft has any impact on a team's fortunes, LOL..
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Take away Barkley's 68 yard run, and he has a miserable day of 17 carries for 38 yards.
LOL, you can't "take away" a magnificent 68-yd TD run that was the reason the Giants almost pulled off the upset.
Over 100 yds rushing and a TD, not a bad first game in the NFL. Jax is arguably the best team in the NFL defensively. I expect the Giants to play better going forward. Barkley will be a special back.
The Giants need to improve the OL and do a better job at pass protecting.
Almost pulled off the upset? What good does "almost" do? LOL
The Jaguars were 10-6 last season, and this was a home opener for the Giants. An NFL team should usually be expected to win a game such as this at home, if they're looking to make the playoffs. Especially with a new "special back" now on the team.
Frankly, it's arguable that the Giants 2018 season is already done. It's also arguable before that, when they mistakenly picked Barkley, that their 2018 season was already done.
Of course it's likely that Barkley will have a season of good stats overall, we all know that. However, we shall see how much it improves the Giants won-loss record, and their future going forward.
It's also arguable that the Giants 2019 season is also already done. Maybe in the 2019 draft, they want to screw it up again, and go for another number of years of not making the playoffs. LOL
The Giants have a lot more to address than just the QB position. You like to pontificate, I know that, we all know that, and we also all know that at least half of what you assert turns out to be nonsense, we all know that, too, but one thing is for certain, there's a lot of football left and the Jets are going to see if a top 3 QB in the draft has any impact on a team's fortunes, LOL..
"pontificate" - i see you've been busy with a thesaurus. Good for you. LOL
Where the Giants are making their fatal mistake, is believing that they shouldn't be in a rebuilding phase coming off a putrid 3-13 season.
The Giants should be in a rebuilding phase. And a team should not place a high first round pick on a running back as a priority when in a rebuilding phase.
@grote15 said:
Take away Barkley's 68 yard run, and he has a miserable day of 17 carries for 38 yards.
LOL, you can't "take away" a magnificent 68-yd TD run that was the reason the Giants almost pulled off the upset.
Over 100 yds rushing and a TD, not a bad first game in the NFL. Jax is arguably the best team in the NFL defensively. I expect the Giants to play better going forward. Barkley will be a special back.
The Giants need to improve the OL and do a better job at pass protecting.
Almost pulled off the upset? What good does "almost" do? LOL
The Jaguars were 10-6 last season, and this was a home opener for the Giants. An NFL team should usually be expected to win a game such as this at home, if they're looking to make the playoffs. Especially with a new "special back" now on the team.
Frankly, it's arguable that the Giants 2018 season is already done. It's also arguable before that, when they mistakenly picked Barkley, that their 2018 season was already done.
Of course it's likely that Barkley will have a season of good stats overall, we all know that. However, we shall see how much it improves the Giants won-loss record, and their future going forward.
It's also arguable that the Giants 2019 season is also already done. Maybe in the 2019 draft, they want to screw it up again, and go for another number of years of not making the playoffs. LOL
The Giants have a lot more to address than just the QB position. You like to pontificate, I know that, we all know that, and we also all know that at least half of what you assert turns out to be nonsense, we all know that, too, but one thing is for certain, there's a lot of football left and the Jets are going to see if a top 3 QB in the draft has any impact on a team's fortunes, LOL..
"pontificate" - i see you've been busy with a thesaurus. Good for you. LOL
Where the Giants are making their fatal mistake, is believing that they shouldn't be in a rebuilding phase coming off a putrid 3-13 season.
The Giants should be in a rebuilding phase. And a team should not place a high first round pick on a running back as a priority when in a rebuilding phase.
Is that clear enough for ya, or do i pontificate?
Like I said, you like to pontificate, I know that, we all know that, and we also all know that at least half of what you assert turns out to be nonsense, LOL..
The Eagles got you feeling your oats, that's understandable, too, LOL..
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i was going to interject and respectfully ask that we talk about how awesome the Bears are going to be this year, but you guys are in rare form this morning so please proceed
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
At least they're wearing clothes, unlike your bedroom wall pic of Tom Brady. LOL
Josh failed because he didn’t have Tom Brady, FACT! regardless of how you spin it with your next foolish Patriots post
Why didn’t Belichek get the Patriots to the playoffs in ‘08? Because he didn’t have Tom Brady he had Matt Cassell. There’s some common sense thinking for ya Steve. Spin that one lol
@stevek Josh McDaniels the head coach has ZERO to do with this conversation,you're just deflecting from the fact that you have kinky wall sex with some Philly posters
unlike your bedroom wall pic of Tom Brady. LOL
That is the saddest attempt at a comeback that this forum has ever seen. You were better off just throwing a "I know you are but what am I" out there.
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Foolish to state as I have many times that Bill Belichick is the greatest NFL football coach of all time?
Perhaps I should begin comparing Belichick to Steve Spurrier, the worst NFL head coach I have ever seen. LOL
Not to mention that 2008 team finished with 5 less wins than the 2007 team with Brady did. No Brady led Pats team had ever finished with 5 less wins than the year before. Hell Brady has only lost more than 5 games in a season twice in seventeen years.
The Almighy Eagles have lost more than 5 games 13 times during that same time span.
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The fact is that my admiration for Pederson and Wentz doesn't come even remotely close to yours for Tom Brady.
Actually, I've never "hero worshiped" any athlete in my entire life, not even as a kid, and I never will. I respect them for the athletes that they are and the entertainment and enjoyment that I get from rooting for my favorite teams.
See this is the part you don't get, we think Belichick is the greatest NFL football coach of all time as well but he's not the main reason for their success the past 17 years,Brady is.
Steve how about you leave the Belichick Youtube clips where they are and actually go watch some Patriots games so you have a semblance of what's really happening in these Pats games.
Without Brady, Belichick & NE would have been lucky to maybe win one SB if they could even get there. Without Brady,Bledsoe would have been the starter for most of those years in NE and he wasn't good enough to get NE over the hump. The only reason why Bledsoe never got his job back is because Tom Brady had a .780 winning percentage in 2001 and won the SB. Ironically 16 seasons later and Brady's career winning percentage is still at .780 with a handful of rings to boot.
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No spin needed, the Brady hero worship speaks for itself. LOL
Says the guy that gets a chubb everytime Doug Pederson's name gets mentioned.
And if there ever was a pro athlete to "hero worship" it should be Brady whose been a perfect role model for his entire career but sadly I don't "hero worship" Tom Brady. I just think he's more responsible for NE's success than Belichick.
You don't get it seeing that you don't faithfully watch New England Patriots games on a weekly basis.
You don't have a clue because you don't see what us Pats fans see all the time,that Brady is on a level with Michael Jordan & Wayne Gretzky.
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Well Eric the question that can never be answered is how great would Tom Brady be without Belichick.
Did Belichick and Brady have a symbiotic relationship throughout their years of success? Of course they did, that's not debatable. My contention is that Belichick was more important to Brady, than Brady was to Belichick.
I have no doubt that without Brady, Belichick would have won Super Bowls. Would Brady have won Super Bowls with just an average NFL head coach - I sincerely doubt it.
That's my viewpoint and i'm sticking with it.
Good luck to your Patriots in the upcoming season. Perhaps we'll meet again in the 2019 Super Bowl?
Steve you ask how great would Brady be without Belichick but how about flipping that question,how great has Belichick been without Brady?
Here's Belichick's career won loss record without Tom Brady:
With the Browns 36-44 0-1 in the playoffs
With the Patriots 20-16 no playoffs
The guy has a career 56-60 NFL won-loss record but you keep telling us he can win without Brady when there is Zero
evidence of that statement being true. His best season in NE without Brady was 2008 when they went 11-5 with Matt Cassel and didn't make the playoffs. Matt Cassel & Belichick led a team that had just gone16-0 with an offense that scored the most points in NFL history and they couldn't even make the playoffs.
We'll probably never know how good Bradywould be without Belichick just because Tom's days are numbered and he isn't going to go play elsewhere.
BB is an absolute great head coach and was pretty much groomed in the game of football going back to a very young age at the Naval Academy with his father coaching there. I wouldn't trade BB for any other coach in football but Brady deserves the most credit for their success. This isn't a fanboy answer,its from someone that has watched every game going back 25+years.
We can argue this topic endlessly (and we do lol) but I will say as a Pats fan,its pretty great that both player & coach where my team's colors
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Ofcourse you flat out refuse to answer that
I’m not “hero worshipping” anyone, it’s sports talk forum bud, remember? On a personal note I think Brady is a whack job and have no interest in him outside of Gameday.
Your overall point is understandable and I never stated it wasn't a valid point of view...except in smack which was obviously just breaking stones.
However, and it's a BIG however, again, I've never seen such genius in a football coach as I have with Bill Belichick watching his interviews. It's extraordinary. Hearing him talk football to me is like listening to Clapton play the guitar. I get the same feeling of genius on display.
And that's what I've based my viewpoint on in the comparison of Belichick and Brady in their remarkable run of success as to who was the most important factor.
Frankly, you Patriots fans are damn fortunate to be having a debate such as this. Any other true football fan in any other city would dream of someday having their team engaged in such a debate.
Paul, I hope you know i'm just breaking stones.
and I mean it...I'm not going to suddenly say, "Now go home and get your shine box."
@stevek it's all in good fun. You might want to check out Patriots All Access,it's a weekly 30min Patriots tv show that has two segments where former Pats QB/current radio gameday announcer Scott Zolak interviews Belichick about their previous opponent then the next opponent. The most recent shows are on the Pats website but here's one from training camp:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq4Uf_JrzLo
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Steve, it’s always good with you and I the way I see it, I figured we have established a good enough rapport with each other over the years that it goes without saying that your a good guy in my book. However if this was the Wild West I would consider you a “Confidence Man”.
Didn’t Belichick fail miserably his first stint at head coach? So much so that It took him several years before he got another chance.
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And if you called me that in the wild west, I'd have to ask you to join me in the center of the street for a duel with our six-guns.
And I'm a pretty good shot, although it might take me a half-hour to get the gun out of the holster.
You can google that story between him and the jerk owner Art Modell, and then come to your own conclusion.
Even back then, his players from that time expressed admiration for Bill Belichick, the same admiration that Tom Brady so rightly acknowledges.
I have a feeling I own a lot more guns than you though lol
Is WR Kendall Wright any good? NE had him in for a workout today and i saw that he played for Chicago last season.
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Kendall Wright was a very “Decent” slot type receiver who had some big games with Tennessee however he fits the mold of a guy who will disappear for several games. Zero consistency
I have a feeling that anyone breaking into Perkdog's house, wouldn't be feeling very well the next day.
Thanks, I remember him getting picked in the first round a few years back but not much after that. Best case scenario,I'd rather have them give him a shot over some undrafted rookie or PS guy. Pretty much any WR the Pats sign will be the 4th-6th wideout on the depth chart and won't be expected to do much statwise.
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That video with Belichick was more or less fluff. In press conferences and interviews when he is talking football strategy, etc, that's when Belichick truly is enjoyable to listen to.
Probably the "Patriots All Access" thing does that with Belichick, gets into football X's and O's, etc, once the season is under way.
Pedestrian at best. 19 TDs in 6 seasons. Which means he's ripe for 1200 & 10 with Brady at the helm.
Or is it with Belichick as coach?
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So basically a back-end depth chart guy at best,gotcha. Who knows if they even sign him. If they do and he has some success i think Pats WR coach Chad O'Shea & OC Josh McDaniels would get most of the credit then maybe Brady. Belichick would ultimately get the credit for signing him but if those first two I mentioned can't get hi up to speed with their system the signing won't really matter.
I posted that video for you but didn't actually watch it. Belichick's at his best when he digs into the x's & o's and that show does show alot of this. There's even a segment where he breaks down plays on the "Belestrator" where's he fast forwarding & rewinding plays to show what some opponents do best or someone on the Pats. I must have just picked out one that missed this.
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Oh that is so cool the "Belestrator" - I enjoy that kind of chit.
I will definitely tune-in. Thanks for the info.
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Looks like the Vikings just did a number on Jimmy Garoppolo in his first NFL loss. Under 50% completion percentage, three interceptions & three sacks.
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He is going to be a disappointment, not the QB everyone thinks he is going to be
I wished the Brownies could have pulled off a W but at least they didn’t lose!
I see that the New York Giants drafting Saquon Barkley helped them get their first win today in their home opener.
Oops!
Take away Barkley's 68 yard run, and he has a miserable day of 17 carries for 38 yards.
As predicted by those knowledgeable about the game of football...yes, Barkley improves the team...but no, he will not meaningfully add to the Giants chances of sniffing the playoffs.
Perhaps the Giants will learn next draft and take a QB with their first pick like they should have in this draft. And learn from their mistake that when you are rebuilding a NFL football team, taking a running back with your high first round draft pick is not the correct choice.
I think he would have had more success had he stayed in NE's system but i think he'll still be good in SF given time and as the 49ers GM keeps adding pieces around him.
I'm with you on the Browns,once CBS went to Patriots 5th Quarter i had espn's gamecast open hoping to see if they won. Its not a win but they should take solace that they hung with one of the AFC's legit contenders for 5 quarters.
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Take away Barkley's 68 yard run, and he has a miserable day of 17 carries for 38 yards.
LOL, you can't "take away" a magnificent 68-yd TD run that was the reason the Giants almost pulled off the upset.
Over 100 yds rushing and a TD, not a bad first game in the NFL. Jax is arguably the best team in the NFL defensively. I expect the Giants to play better going forward. Barkley will be a special back.
The Giants need to improve the OL and do a better job at pass protecting.
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The Cowboys offense is painful to watch.
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Very painful. Whoever is calling the plays needs to be replaced.
Almost pulled off the upset? What good does "almost" do? LOL
The Jaguars were 10-6 last season, and this was a home opener for the Giants. An NFL team should usually be expected to win a game such as this at home, if they're looking to make the playoffs. Especially with a new "special back" now on the team.
Frankly, it's arguable that the Giants 2018 season is already done. It's also arguable before that, when they mistakenly picked Barkley, that their 2018 season was already done.
Of course it's likely that Barkley will have a season of good stats overall, we all know that. However, we shall see how much it improves the Giants won-loss record, and their future going forward.
It's also arguable that the Giants 2019 season is also already done. Maybe in the 2019 draft, they want to screw it up again, and go for another number of years of not making the playoffs. LOL
Is Dan Bailey still available?
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The Giants have a lot more to address than just the QB position. You like to pontificate, I know that, we all know that, and we also all know that at least half of what you assert turns out to be nonsense, we all know that, too, but one thing is for certain, there's a lot of football left and the Jets are going to see if a top 3 QB in the draft has any impact on a team's fortunes, LOL..
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Damn that would be funny if the Cowboys didn't score a single point all season.
i'd really have a good laugh over that one.
Dallas sucks......plain and simple. When Elliot does his STUPID little first down "thingy" down 16 zip...….it just shows how STUPID he his!
"pontificate" - i see you've been busy with a thesaurus. Good for you. LOL
Where the Giants are making their fatal mistake, is believing that they shouldn't be in a rebuilding phase coming off a putrid 3-13 season.
The Giants should be in a rebuilding phase. And a team should not place a high first round pick on a running back as a priority when in a rebuilding phase.
Is that clear enough for ya, or do i pontificate?
Elliot with a TD and Dak with a 2 point conversion equals A GAME Jon
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Get 'em while their hot before they sell out. You can wear it at a Jets game. LOL
Like I said, you like to pontificate, I know that, we all know that, and we also all know that at least half of what you assert turns out to be nonsense, LOL..
The Eagles got you feeling your oats, that's understandable, too, LOL..
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Let me be the first to say that the Cowboys should sure use Tony Romo.
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