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Khalil Mack and the Bears just reached agreeement on a record-setting 6-year, $141 million extension ($23.5M per year avg) that includes $90M guaranteed and $60M at signing, source tells ESPN.
Mack is the new highest-paid defensive player in NFL history.
That was quick.
Indeed!
I've noticed this recent trend where large contracts are now being accompanied by large amounts of guaranteed money (first Beckham this week, now Mack). NFL contracts starting to look like MLB contracts lately.
I'm all for football players getting as much guaranteed money as they can seeing that the majority of these types of deals never make it to that final year and teams can move on from the player whenever they want. That Bears D is gonna be really good this year.
I agree. I don't begrudge an NFL player getting every last cent considering the risks and the relative brevity of an NFL career.
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@perkdog said:
I’m sorry but can anyone throw out one positive thing that John Gruden has done since taking over the Raiders?
When was the last time someone came back after so long and did well coaching anything? Things change and if you are out for that long maybe you can't get back up to speed.
@perkdog said:
I’m sorry but can anyone throw out one positive thing that John Gruden has done since taking over the Raiders?
When was the last time someone came back after so long and did well coaching anything? Things change and if you are out for that long maybe you can't get back up to speed.
The first coach I can think of that was out of football for a longtime then came back and won a SB was Dick Vermeil with the Rams.
@perkdog said:
I’m sorry but can anyone throw out one positive thing that John Gruden has done since taking over the Raiders?
When was the last time someone came back after so long and did well coaching anything? Things change and if you are out for that long maybe you can't get back up to speed.
Dick Vermeil did it. He came back after around 15 years and won a Super Bowl with the St Louis Rams.
That being said, i do agree that Gruden will have a tough go of it.
@perkdog said:
I’m sorry but can anyone throw out one positive thing that John Gruden has done since taking over the Raiders?
When was the last time someone came back after so long and did well coaching anything? Things change and if you are out for that long maybe you can't get back up to speed.
The first coach I can think of that was out of football for a longtime then came back and won a SB was Dick Vermeil with the Rams.
I am more talking about the moves Gruden has made, he deals Mack and Crabtree yet throws big money at a beat up old Jordy Nelson and is sticking with Lynch at RB. I don’t follow the Raiders but the stuff I’ve read about Gruden doing doesn’t look like he is doing his team any favors.
@perkdog said:
I am more talking about the moves Gruden has made, he deals Mack and Crabtree yet throws big money at a beat up old Jordy Nelson and is sticking with Lynch at RB. I don’t follow the Raiders but the stuff I’ve read about Gruden doing doesn’t look like he is doing his team any favors.
I'm by no means a Lynch fan but he had a pretty solid season for a guy coming off a span of a year plus out of football. Just under 900 rushing yards,7 tds & 4.3 ypc.
As for Jordy Nelson, he's not there to be the #1 guy like he was in GB and a 2yr 15M deal is far from overpaying. An overpay is KC giving Sammy Watkins a 3yr 48M coming off a 39/593/8 season.
I agree on the Mack trade but Oakland didn't want to hand out another record setting contract to go along with Carr's deal,which was a top of the market contract at the time he signed IIRC. They would have had almost 50M a season tied up in 2 players had they kept & extended Mack. Oakland's defense probably takes a step back under Gruden but I'd expect their offense to be better now that he's there.
That being said,let Gruden make all the crazy deals he wants,if they don't pan out that's one less team for NE to worry about in the AFC.
NE signed two WRs today,Amara Darboh from Seattle and Chad Hansen from the New York Jets. Its weird that they both were 2017 draft picks and their former teams gave up on them so quick when you consider where they got drafted. Darboh was a 3rd rounder,Hansen was a 4th rounder.
@erikthredd said:
NE signed two WRs today,Amara Darboh from Seattle and Chad Hansen from the New York Jets. Its weird that they both were 2017 draft picks and their former teams gave up on them so quick when you consider where they got drafted. Darboh was a 3rd rounder,Hansen was a 4th rounder.
Judas Priest you Patriots fans are thick as a brick when it comes to acknowledging the greatness of Bill Belichick.
Belichick sees things and knows things that deadhead coaches do not see or do not know. Belichick evaluates these players, and believes that he and his staff can coach them up to perform not only much better, but to fit them into the framework of winning Patriots football.
You Patriots fans were whining for many weeks that Brady wouldn't have any receivers to throw to. Now you've got some. I'll be surprised if at least one of these WR's doesn't have a good season...maybe even both of them.
Belichick has been doing this for many years now, and yet many Patriots fans feel that it was Tom Brady who is the main reason for the success...or just good luck is the main reason for the success. The actual reason is obvious...it's Bill Belichick.
@erikthredd said:
NE signed two WRs today,Amara Darboh from Seattle and Chad Hansen from the New York Jets. Its weird that they both were 2017 draft picks and their former teams gave up on them so quick when you consider where they got drafted. Darboh was a 3rd rounder,Hansen was a 4th rounder.
Judas Priest you Patriots fans are thick as a brick when it comes to acknowledging the greatness of Bill Belichick.
Belichick sees things and knows things that deadhead coaches do not see or do not know. Belichick evaluates these players, and believes that he and his staff can coach them up to perform not only much better, but to fit them into the framework of winning Patriots football.
You Patriots fans were whining for many weeks that Brady wouldn't have any receivers to throw to. Now you've got some. I'll be surprised if at least one of these WR's doesn't have a good season...maybe even both of them.
Belichick has been doing this for many years now, and yet many Patriots fans feel that it was Tom Brady who is the main reason for the success...or just good luck is the main reason for the success. The actual reason is obvious...it's Bill Belichick.
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@erikthredd said:
NE signed two WRs today,Amara Darboh from Seattle and Chad Hansen from the New York Jets. Its weird that they both were 2017 draft picks and their former teams gave up on them so quick when you consider where they got drafted. Darboh was a 3rd rounder,Hansen was a 4th rounder.
Judas Priest you Patriots fans are thick as a brick when it comes to acknowledging the greatness of Bill Belichick.
Belichick sees things and knows things that deadhead coaches do not see or do not know. Belichick evaluates these players, and believes that he and his staff can coach them up to perform not only much better, but to fit them into the framework of winning Patriots football.
You Patriots fans were whining for many weeks that Brady wouldn't have any receivers to throw to. Now you've got some. I'll be surprised if at least one of these WR's doesn't have a good season...maybe even both of them.
Belichick has been doing this for many years now, and yet many Patriots fans feel that it was Tom Brady who is the main reason for the success...or just good luck is the main reason for the success. The actual reason is obvious...it's Bill Belichick.
Steve, how did you read that comment and take from it me complaining about Belichick? You're entitled to your opinion on the Brady/Belichick debate but for someone that doesn't watch the NE Patriots on a weekly basis, you have no clue when it comes down to it.
Its nice that they've "Now got some receivers" for Brady to throw to but what makes you think these two players will be 1) here past a week or two and 2) be any good at all if they do stick?
There is a reason that these two 2017 3rd & 4th round draft picks are no longer with their original teams. This isn't Bill Belichick trading for a guy in his last year of his rookie deal where the original team had multiple years from the player and decided that player wouldn't be getting a 2nd deal past his rookie contract. This is two players taken with pretty valuable draft picks to then be waived one year later. You have to be either terrible catching the ball or just outright lazy to be let go that quickly after getting drafted as high as they were. I doubt it was injuries because if they were injured their team would have kept them longer to see what they have.
You can talk all you want about Bill Belichick coaching them up but in the end their success ultimately comes down to how well they work with Tom Brady,like its always been in NE on offense.
NE traded for Phillip Dorsett last season in the week leading up to game one and he finished the year with 12 receptions for 194 yards. I'll go out on a limb and say these two WRs signed last night will be lucky to combine for those totals this season. That's if they even make the team at all.
Steve just loves to put the Pats success on Belichek, reason is his agenda that Joe Montana was better than Brady ( Eye Roll ) It’s painful yet comical
@erikthredd said:
NE traded for Phillip Dorsett last season in the week leading up to game one and he finished the year with 12 receptions for 194 yards. I'll go out on a limb and say these two WRs signed last night will be lucky to combine for those totals this season. That's if they even make the team at all.
And you previously stated: "NE signed two WRs today,Amara Darboh from Seattle and Chad Hansen from the New York Jets. Its weird that they both were 2017 draft picks and their former teams gave up on them so quick when you consider where they got drafted. Darboh was a 3rd rounder,Hansen was a 4th rounder."
Come on now Eric. We all know the insinuation behind your remarks. You stated "Its weird" interpreted as "Why the hell did Belichick do this when the other teams got rid of them?"
You, Perkdog, and others have stated how numerous Patriots fans constantly bash Belichick. No sense regurgitating all that to make my continuing point that it is Belichick, not Brady, who has been the main reason for the Patriots remarkable run of success.
You could turn out to be correct in this instance. Perhaps both of these receivers do flop. However you guys seem to enjoy nitpicking virtually everything Belichick does. Whereby what should be done is being thankful that Belichick is your team's head coach, and makes moves such as this with these two receivers. Of course not all of his moves pan out, but it's quite obvious that enough of them do.
Belichick the Almighty, who felt that he shouldn't let his best defensive player play in the SB and who has been called a defensive genius many times over the years yet couldn't come up with ONE adjustment in that SB to counter Philly's Run Pass Options that destroyed Bill's defense all game. Genius my ass... He's to blame for another SB loss along with that 2011 loss to the Giants where Belichick was too lazy to draft a defense while Brady dragged the 31st ranked D all the way to the SB.
@stevek said:
Come on now Eric. We all know the insinuation behind your remarks. You stated "Its weird" interpreted as "Why the hell did Belichick do this when the other teams got rid of them?"
You Misread My Comment. Belichick was not in my thought process as i typed that comment. It was 100% "why would two teams cut these players after one season when they used fairly high draft picks on them?"
You know what they say when you just assume something...you make an ass of u & me.
@perkdog said:
Steve just loves to put the Pats success on Belichek, reason is his agenda that Joe Montana was better than Brady ( Eye Roll ) It’s painful yet comical
Well then you just inadvertently called your boy Tom Brady "painful yet comical" because Brady has basically stated exactly what i have stated about Belichick.
Previously in some other thread, i posted Brady's comments regarding this. However I guess that you, Eric, Mark and others prefer to believe that Tom Brady, who is 1/53 of the team, albeit the most important 1/53 of the team, is more responsible for the success of the Patriots than Bill Belichick who is responsible for 53/53 of the team.
@stevek said:
Come on now Eric. We all know the insinuation behind your remarks. You stated "Its weird" interpreted as "Why the hell did Belichick do this when the other teams got rid of them?"
You Misread My Comment. Belichick was not in my thought process as i typed that comment. It was 100% "why would two teams cut these players after one season when they used fairly high draft picks on them?"
You know what they say when you just assume something...you make an ass of u & me.
It was not an assumption. You Patriots fans do this in virtually every post about Bill Belichick. You guys question his moves time and time again, usually in a negative manner. But all Belichick does year after year is bring success to your team.
Why you guys show such lack of respect and appreciation to who i think is the greatest NFL head football coach of all time, baffles me.
But admittedly, Mike Schmidt the greatest third baseman of all time, got booed by Phillies fans, and that used to baffle me as well.
Steve, we are fans and have every right to nitpick and question his moves because the guy is far from perfect. If it wasn't for Tom Brady and Bill Parcells draft picks,that dynasty run of 3 SB wins in 4 years would have never happened and we wouldn't be here talking about Bill Belichick,who would have been long gone by now.
I can list plenty of seasons where Belichick's decision making ended up costing this team in the playoffs. Just because you think the light shines out of this guy's ass doesn't mean we have to even though he's coaching our team.
Steve,Go back and look at the seasons that NE didn't win a SB and most of those years fall right at Bill Belichick's feet.
2017: benched Malcolm Butler and couldn't make a single adjustment on defense in SB. Yet it was Tom Brady who kept the Pats in the game until the fumble.
2015: Needed one win during season to lock up #1 seed and Belichick managed to blow TWO losses. First was vs your Eagles & Chip Kelly,Pats had commanding lead until Belichick calls for a pooch punt after a score that Philly recovered then momentum shifts..Pats lose at home. Second game week 16 @ Miami,where one win gets home field throughout playoffs,Belichick decides to run the ball on nearly every play in the first half using Steven Jackson,who was out of football for a year until the week before, and Brandon Bolden who is a special teams player. Another loss,Denver gets the 1 seed and beats NE in Denver in the AFCCG. Another game where Brady & Gronk almost willed the team into overtime during the fourth until a 2pt conversion to Edelman failed to tie the game.
2011: Belichik's horrible draft picks on defense and questionable free agent pickups were so bad NE finishes with the 31st ranked defense,yet Tom Brady still carried the team to the SB.
2007: I don't blame Belichick for that Giants win. They had a great game plan and luck was on their side that day.
2006: Belichick trades NE's best offensive weapon Deion Branch to Seattle then leaves Brady throwing to guys like Reche Caldwell,Doug Gabriel & Jabar Gaffney. Another winnable AFFCG game that was a loss.
These are just the seasons off the top of my head where Belichick's decisions hurt the team that season.
@erikthredd said:
Steve,Go back and look at the seasons that NE didn't win a SB and most of those years fall right at Bill Belichick's feet.
2017: benched Malcolm Butler and couldn't make a single adjustment on defense in SB. Yet it was Tom Brady who kept the Pats in the game until the fumble.
2015: Needed one win during season to lock up #1 seed and Belichick managed to blow TWO losses. First was vs your Eagles & Chip Kelly,Pats had commanding lead until Belichick calls for a pooch punt after a score that Philly recovered then momentum shifts..Pats lose at home. Second game week 16 @ Miami,where one win gets home field throughout playoffs,Belichick decides to run the ball on nearly every play in the first half using Steven Jackson,who was out of football for a year until the week before, and Brandon Bolden who is a special teams player. Another loss,Denver gets the 1 seed and beats NE in Denver in the AFCCG. Another game where Brady & Gronk almost willed the team into overtime during the fourth until a 2pt conversion to Edelman failed to tie the game.
2011: Belichik's horrible draft picks on defense and questionable free agent pickups were so bad NE finishes with the 31st ranked defense,yet Tom Brady still carried the team to the SB.
2007: I don't blame Belichick for that Giants win. They had a great game plan and luck was on their side that day.
2006: Belichick trades NE's best offensive weapon Deion Branch to Seattle then leaves Brady throwing to guys like Reche Caldwell,Doug Gabriel & Jabar Gaffney. Another winnable AFFCG game that was a loss.
These are just the seasons off the top of my head where Belichick's decisions hurt the team that season.
Awesome post, thank you for saving me the trouble.
The Broncos cut 2016 1st round QB Paxton Lynch. Elway doing a terrible job of drafting QB's.
With Elway and Gruden in the division, it opens up a clear path for the Chiefs to excel.
Unless of course Patrick Mahomes turns into another Todd Blackledge, who I remember oh so well
even after all these years.
But my money is on Mahomes. Literally, as I've been buying his rookie cards ever since the Alex
Smith trade to Washington. BTW- hope Alex does well there, he is a very good QB and great team player.
BTW- Nick Foles named as Eagles starting QB. I think its because Carson Wentz is injured, not sure.
I feel its my duty to report the news, even though not completely sure of facts, while Eric and Steve
are locked in an epic battle over how great or not so great Bellichek is.
@Darin said:
BTW- Nick Foles named as Eagles starting QB. I think its because Carson Wentz is injured, not sure.
I feel its my duty to report the news, even though not completely sure of facts, while Eric and Steve
are locked in an epic battle over how great or not so great Bellichek is.
To be clear, I think Belichick is a great coach. My whole argument is Brady,not Belichick,is the driving force for NE's success the past 17 seasons.
I think its pretty cool Foles gets the opening night start where I'm assuming the Eagles will be hanging their SB banner in the stadium that night. He earned that ring.
As for your AFC West comment, I'd still worry about Denver after they signed Keenum & drafted Chubb. They still have a really good defense and Keenum is a more than competent QB. They've already shown they could win a SB recently while getting below average QB play from Manning & Osweiler. Winning in Denver has been arguably Tom Brady's toughest challenges especially in the playoffs where he's 0-3 in Denver.
@Darin said:
BTW- Nick Foles named as Eagles starting QB. I think its because Carson Wentz is injured, not sure.
I feel its my duty to report the news, even though not completely sure of facts, while Eric and Steve
are locked in an epic battle over how great or not so great Bellichek is.
There is no quarterback controversy in Philly - zero.
I completely agree with the decision.
When Carson Wentz is 100% healthy, he will be the starter. Again, the key is 100%. If Wentz can't get to 100% this season, even if he has to sit out the year and the Eagles basically throw away this season, that would be okay with me...and I'm not kidding.
Wentz, not debatable, is a future HOF QB if he can stay healthy.
It would be moronic to hurry Wentz back on the field, I mean let’s be serious here Nick Foles won the Super Bowl for Philly, While the future QB is recovering from a major injury it would be totally stupid to not play Foles
@perkdog said:
It would be moronic to hurry Wentz back on the field, I mean let’s be serious here Nick Foles won the Super Bowl for Philly, While the future QB is recovering from a major injury it would be totally stupid to not play Foles
Especially since if Foles goes down, the Eagles have a semi-promising QB in Nate Sudfeld.
Nate Sudfeld is another example of how players get coached up with competent coaching, and that has happened with Sudfeld.
BTW - Sudfeld was a 6th round pick, same as Tom Brady.
@perkdog said:
It would be moronic to hurry Wentz back on the field, I mean let’s be serious here Nick Foles won the Super Bowl for Philly, While the future QB is recovering from a major injury it would be totally stupid to not play Foles
Especially since if Foles goes down, the Eagles have a semi-promising QB in Nate Sudfeld.
Nate Sudfeld is another example of how players get coached up with competent coaching, and that has happened with Sudfeld.
BTW - Sudfeld was a 6th round pick, same as Tom Brady.
I’m going to go out on a limb and predict that Sudfield will not win 5 Super Bowls
@erikthredd said:
NE signed two WRs today,Amara Darboh from Seattle and Chad Hansen from the New York Jets. Its weird that they both were 2017 draft picks and their former teams gave up on them so quick when you consider where they got drafted. Darboh was a 3rd rounder,Hansen was a 4th rounder.
Looks like the great HOF career in NE for WR Amara Darboh has ended after three whole days.
@erikthredd said:
NE signed two WRs today,Amara Darboh from Seattle and Chad Hansen from the New York Jets. Its weird that they both were 2017 draft picks and their former teams gave up on them so quick when you consider where they got drafted. Darboh was a 3rd rounder,Hansen was a 4th rounder.
Looks like the great HOF career in NE for WR Amara Darboh has ended after three whole days.
Oh my gosh, there goes the chance, right out the window, of Bill Belichick ever getting into the Hall of Fame. This is a grievous error that Belichick will never recover from.
"FIRE BELICHICK" is the outcry from Patriots fans.
BTW: If Tom Brady stops playing the way Bill Belicheck wants, Belichick will get rid of him to.
@erikthredd said:
NE signed two WRs today,Amara Darboh from Seattle and Chad Hansen from the New York Jets. Its weird that they both were 2017 draft picks and their former teams gave up on them so quick when you consider where they got drafted. Darboh was a 3rd rounder,Hansen was a 4th rounder.
Looks like the great HOF career in NE for WR Amara Darboh has ended after three whole days.
Oh my gosh, there goes the chance, right out the window, of Bill Belichick ever getting into the Hall of Fame. This is a grievous error that Belichick will never recover from.
"FIRE BELICHICK" is the outcry from Patriots fans.
BTW: If Tom Brady stops playing the way Bill Belicheck wants, Belichick will get rid of him to.
Your WRONG, Kraft loves Brady more than Belichek when it comes down to it, Perfect example is the Jimmy G trade.
@erikthredd said:
NE signed two WRs today,Amara Darboh from Seattle and Chad Hansen from the New York Jets. Its weird that they both were 2017 draft picks and their former teams gave up on them so quick when you consider where they got drafted. Darboh was a 3rd rounder,Hansen was a 4th rounder.
Looks like the great HOF career in NE for WR Amara Darboh has ended after three whole days.
Oh my gosh, there goes the chance, right out the window, of Bill Belichick ever getting into the Hall of Fame. This is a grievous error that Belichick will never recover from.
"FIRE BELICHICK" is the outcry from Patriots fans.
BTW: If Tom Brady stops playing the way Bill Belicheck wants, Belichick will get rid of him to.
Steve you always go directly to Belichick when he had zero to do with my comment AGAIN so please go back to french kissing that Belichick Fathead on your bedroom wall and stop assuming everything is Belichick related.
My comment was just pointing out that WR sucks and we pretty much knew that days ago.
@stevek said:
BTW: If Tom Brady stops playing the way Bill Belicheck wants, Belichick will get rid of him to.
Bill Belichick doesn't call the offensive plays, Josh McDaniels does and its definitely not a situation where Josh looks to Bill every play. Not to mention Brady has the authority to change the play at the line depending on what the defense is doing pre-snap.
As Perk just pointed out, Belichick can't get rid of Brady if he wanted to because that move is way above Bill's paygrade.
@erikthredd said:
NE signed two WRs today,Amara Darboh from Seattle and Chad Hansen from the New York Jets. Its weird that they both were 2017 draft picks and their former teams gave up on them so quick when you consider where they got drafted. Darboh was a 3rd rounder,Hansen was a 4th rounder.
Looks like the great HOF career in NE for WR Amara Darboh has ended after three whole days.
Oh my gosh, there goes the chance, right out the window, of Bill Belichick ever getting into the Hall of Fame. This is a grievous error that Belichick will never recover from.
"FIRE BELICHICK" is the outcry from Patriots fans.
BTW: If Tom Brady stops playing the way Bill Belicheck wants, Belichick will get rid of him to.
Steve you always go directly to Belichick when he had zero to do with my comment AGAIN so please go back to french kissing that Belichick Fathead on your bedroom wall and stop assuming everything is Belichick related.
My comment was just pointing out that WR sucks and we pretty much knew that days ago.
Isn't Belichick the head coach? I didn't realize that Tom Brady became the head coach.
Well Exccuuuuusssseee Meeeeeeeee.
BTW: the pics on my bedroom wall are of Doug Pederson and Carson Wentz. LOL
@erikthredd said:
NE signed two WRs today,Amara Darboh from Seattle and Chad Hansen from the New York Jets. Its weird that they both were 2017 draft picks and their former teams gave up on them so quick when you consider where they got drafted. Darboh was a 3rd rounder,Hansen was a 4th rounder.
Looks like the great HOF career in NE for WR Amara Darboh has ended after three whole days.
Oh my gosh, there goes the chance, right out the window, of Bill Belichick ever getting into the Hall of Fame. This is a grievous error that Belichick will never recover from.
"FIRE BELICHICK" is the outcry from Patriots fans.
BTW: If Tom Brady stops playing the way Bill Belicheck wants, Belichick will get rid of him to.
Your WRONG, Kraft loves Brady more than Belichek when it comes down to it, Perfect example is the Jimmy G trade.
On the surface that may be correct, but Kraft knows that Belichick is the reason the Patriots became the great team that they are. Maybe I should say "were"...both Belichick and Brady are getting old.
@stevek said:
BTW: If Tom Brady stops playing the way Bill Belicheck wants, Belichick will get rid of him to.
Bill Belichick doesn't call the offensive plays, Josh McDaniels does and its definitely not a situation where Josh looks to Bill every play. Not to mention Brady has the authority to change the play at the line depending on what the defense is doing pre-snap.
As Perk just pointed out, Belichick can't get rid of Brady if he wanted to because that move is way above Bill's paygrade.
Yea I know...you and Perkdog are enamored with Josh McDaniels...a guy who failed miserably when he was given an opportunity as head coach.
Without question, it is Belichick who is the genius behind the game plan, and then McDaniels carries it out during the game as offensive coordinator, and obviously Belichick will interject when he sees or wants something during the game. That is a fact.
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I agree. I don't begrudge an NFL player getting every last cent considering the risks and the relative brevity of an NFL career.
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Looks like the biggest names cut today were K Dan Bailey from Dallas, DE Michael Johnson from Cincy, QB Landry Jones from Pittsburgh, & Martavius Bryant from Oakland,
Here's an incomplete list of the cuts so far:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000952303/article/cuts-tracker-nfl-teams-finalizing-53player-rosters
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Martavis Bryant.........multimillion-dollar talent.........5-cent head
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Are we talking about Bryant or Josh Gordon?
edit: the Bears just traded safety Deiondre Hall to the Eagles
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Josh Gordon...........multimultimillion-dollar talent..........wheat penny head
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Both could be starting wide receivers on the All-Rehab Team.
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Jimmy G & the Niners lost their starting RB Jerick McKinnon to a ACL tear a week before the season starts. That's gotta suck.
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I’m sorry but can anyone throw out one positive thing that John Gruden has done since taking over the Raiders?
Hopefully trading Cordarelle Patterson to NE turns into that one positive from a Patriots perspective.
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When was the last time someone came back after so long and did well coaching anything? Things change and if you are out for that long maybe you can't get back up to speed.
The first coach I can think of that was out of football for a longtime then came back and won a SB was Dick Vermeil with the Rams.
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Dick Vermeil did it. He came back after around 15 years and won a Super Bowl with the St Louis Rams.
That being said, i do agree that Gruden will have a tough go of it.
I hate that when somebody beats me to the idea.
I am more talking about the moves Gruden has made, he deals Mack and Crabtree yet throws big money at a beat up old Jordy Nelson and is sticking with Lynch at RB. I don’t follow the Raiders but the stuff I’ve read about Gruden doing doesn’t look like he is doing his team any favors.
He was a dream hire for the other AFC west teams.
When his own QB even questions his trade of Mack, maybe big trouble on the horizon.
I'm by no means a Lynch fan but he had a pretty solid season for a guy coming off a span of a year plus out of football. Just under 900 rushing yards,7 tds & 4.3 ypc.
As for Jordy Nelson, he's not there to be the #1 guy like he was in GB and a 2yr 15M deal is far from overpaying. An overpay is KC giving Sammy Watkins a 3yr 48M coming off a 39/593/8 season.
I agree on the Mack trade but Oakland didn't want to hand out another record setting contract to go along with Carr's deal,which was a top of the market contract at the time he signed IIRC. They would have had almost 50M a season tied up in 2 players had they kept & extended Mack. Oakland's defense probably takes a step back under Gruden but I'd expect their offense to be better now that he's there.
That being said,let Gruden make all the crazy deals he wants,if they don't pan out that's one less team for NE to worry about in the AFC.
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NE signed two WRs today,Amara Darboh from Seattle and Chad Hansen from the New York Jets. Its weird that they both were 2017 draft picks and their former teams gave up on them so quick when you consider where they got drafted. Darboh was a 3rd rounder,Hansen was a 4th rounder.
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Judas Priest you Patriots fans are thick as a brick when it comes to acknowledging the greatness of Bill Belichick.
Belichick sees things and knows things that deadhead coaches do not see or do not know. Belichick evaluates these players, and believes that he and his staff can coach them up to perform not only much better, but to fit them into the framework of winning Patriots football.
You Patriots fans were whining for many weeks that Brady wouldn't have any receivers to throw to. Now you've got some. I'll be surprised if at least one of these WR's doesn't have a good season...maybe even both of them.
Belichick has been doing this for many years now, and yet many Patriots fans feel that it was Tom Brady who is the main reason for the success...or just good luck is the main reason for the success. The actual reason is obvious...it's Bill Belichick.
Where is the you’re out of your button when you need it.
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Steve, how did you read that comment and take from it me complaining about Belichick? You're entitled to your opinion on the Brady/Belichick debate but for someone that doesn't watch the NE Patriots on a weekly basis, you have no clue when it comes down to it.
Its nice that they've "Now got some receivers" for Brady to throw to but what makes you think these two players will be 1) here past a week or two and 2) be any good at all if they do stick?
There is a reason that these two 2017 3rd & 4th round draft picks are no longer with their original teams. This isn't Bill Belichick trading for a guy in his last year of his rookie deal where the original team had multiple years from the player and decided that player wouldn't be getting a 2nd deal past his rookie contract. This is two players taken with pretty valuable draft picks to then be waived one year later. You have to be either terrible catching the ball or just outright lazy to be let go that quickly after getting drafted as high as they were. I doubt it was injuries because if they were injured their team would have kept them longer to see what they have.
You can talk all you want about Bill Belichick coaching them up but in the end their success ultimately comes down to how well they work with Tom Brady,like its always been in NE on offense.
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NE traded for Phillip Dorsett last season in the week leading up to game one and he finished the year with 12 receptions for 194 yards. I'll go out on a limb and say these two WRs signed last night will be lucky to combine for those totals this season. That's if they even make the team at all.
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Steve just loves to put the Pats success on Belichek, reason is his agenda that Joe Montana was better than Brady ( Eye Roll ) It’s painful yet comical
And you previously stated: "NE signed two WRs today,Amara Darboh from Seattle and Chad Hansen from the New York Jets. Its weird that they both were 2017 draft picks and their former teams gave up on them so quick when you consider where they got drafted. Darboh was a 3rd rounder,Hansen was a 4th rounder."
Come on now Eric. We all know the insinuation behind your remarks. You stated "Its weird" interpreted as "Why the hell did Belichick do this when the other teams got rid of them?"
You, Perkdog, and others have stated how numerous Patriots fans constantly bash Belichick. No sense regurgitating all that to make my continuing point that it is Belichick, not Brady, who has been the main reason for the Patriots remarkable run of success.
You could turn out to be correct in this instance. Perhaps both of these receivers do flop. However you guys seem to enjoy nitpicking virtually everything Belichick does. Whereby what should be done is being thankful that Belichick is your team's head coach, and makes moves such as this with these two receivers. Of course not all of his moves pan out, but it's quite obvious that enough of them do.
Belichick the Almighty, who felt that he shouldn't let his best defensive player play in the SB and who has been called a defensive genius many times over the years yet couldn't come up with ONE adjustment in that SB to counter Philly's Run Pass Options that destroyed Bill's defense all game. Genius my ass... He's to blame for another SB loss along with that 2011 loss to the Giants where Belichick was too lazy to draft a defense while Brady dragged the 31st ranked D all the way to the SB.
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You Misread My Comment. Belichick was not in my thought process as i typed that comment. It was 100% "why would two teams cut these players after one season when they used fairly high draft picks on them?"
You know what they say when you just assume something...you make an ass of u & me.
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Well then you just inadvertently called your boy Tom Brady "painful yet comical" because Brady has basically stated exactly what i have stated about Belichick.
Previously in some other thread, i posted Brady's comments regarding this. However I guess that you, Eric, Mark and others prefer to believe that Tom Brady, who is 1/53 of the team, albeit the most important 1/53 of the team, is more responsible for the success of the Patriots than Bill Belichick who is responsible for 53/53 of the team.
It was not an assumption. You Patriots fans do this in virtually every post about Bill Belichick. You guys question his moves time and time again, usually in a negative manner. But all Belichick does year after year is bring success to your team.
Why you guys show such lack of respect and appreciation to who i think is the greatest NFL head football coach of all time, baffles me.
But admittedly, Mike Schmidt the greatest third baseman of all time, got booed by Phillies fans, and that used to baffle me as well.
Steve, we are fans and have every right to nitpick and question his moves because the guy is far from perfect. If it wasn't for Tom Brady and Bill Parcells draft picks,that dynasty run of 3 SB wins in 4 years would have never happened and we wouldn't be here talking about Bill Belichick,who would have been long gone by now.
I can list plenty of seasons where Belichick's decision making ended up costing this team in the playoffs. Just because you think the light shines out of this guy's ass doesn't mean we have to even though he's coaching our team.
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Steve,Go back and look at the seasons that NE didn't win a SB and most of those years fall right at Bill Belichick's feet.
2017: benched Malcolm Butler and couldn't make a single adjustment on defense in SB. Yet it was Tom Brady who kept the Pats in the game until the fumble.
2015: Needed one win during season to lock up #1 seed and Belichick managed to blow TWO losses. First was vs your Eagles & Chip Kelly,Pats had commanding lead until Belichick calls for a pooch punt after a score that Philly recovered then momentum shifts..Pats lose at home. Second game week 16 @ Miami,where one win gets home field throughout playoffs,Belichick decides to run the ball on nearly every play in the first half using Steven Jackson,who was out of football for a year until the week before, and Brandon Bolden who is a special teams player. Another loss,Denver gets the 1 seed and beats NE in Denver in the AFCCG. Another game where Brady & Gronk almost willed the team into overtime during the fourth until a 2pt conversion to Edelman failed to tie the game.
2011: Belichik's horrible draft picks on defense and questionable free agent pickups were so bad NE finishes with the 31st ranked defense,yet Tom Brady still carried the team to the SB.
2007: I don't blame Belichick for that Giants win. They had a great game plan and luck was on their side that day.
2006: Belichick trades NE's best offensive weapon Deion Branch to Seattle then leaves Brady throwing to guys like Reche Caldwell,Doug Gabriel & Jabar Gaffney. Another winnable AFFCG game that was a loss.
These are just the seasons off the top of my head where Belichick's decisions hurt the team that season.
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Looks like NE managed to get QB Danny Etling & DT Vincent Valentine onto their practice squad.
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Awesome post, thank you for saving me the trouble.
The Broncos cut 2016 1st round QB Paxton Lynch. Elway doing a terrible job of drafting QB's.
With Elway and Gruden in the division, it opens up a clear path for the Chiefs to excel.
Unless of course Patrick Mahomes turns into another Todd Blackledge, who I remember oh so well
even after all these years.
But my money is on Mahomes. Literally, as I've been buying his rookie cards ever since the Alex
Smith trade to Washington. BTW- hope Alex does well there, he is a very good QB and great team player.
BTW- Nick Foles named as Eagles starting QB. I think its because Carson Wentz is injured, not sure.
I feel its my duty to report the news, even though not completely sure of facts, while Eric and Steve
are locked in an epic battle over how great or not so great Bellichek is.
To be clear, I think Belichick is a great coach. My whole argument is Brady,not Belichick,is the driving force for NE's success the past 17 seasons.
I think its pretty cool Foles gets the opening night start where I'm assuming the Eagles will be hanging their SB banner in the stadium that night. He earned that ring.
As for your AFC West comment, I'd still worry about Denver after they signed Keenum & drafted Chubb. They still have a really good defense and Keenum is a more than competent QB. They've already shown they could win a SB recently while getting below average QB play from Manning & Osweiler. Winning in Denver has been arguably Tom Brady's toughest challenges especially in the playoffs where he's 0-3 in Denver.
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There is no quarterback controversy in Philly - zero.
I completely agree with the decision.
When Carson Wentz is 100% healthy, he will be the starter. Again, the key is 100%. If Wentz can't get to 100% this season, even if he has to sit out the year and the Eagles basically throw away this season, that would be okay with me...and I'm not kidding.
Wentz, not debatable, is a future HOF QB if he can stay healthy.
It would be moronic to hurry Wentz back on the field, I mean let’s be serious here Nick Foles won the Super Bowl for Philly, While the future QB is recovering from a major injury it would be totally stupid to not play Foles
Especially since if Foles goes down, the Eagles have a semi-promising QB in Nate Sudfeld.
Nate Sudfeld is another example of how players get coached up with competent coaching, and that has happened with Sudfeld.
BTW - Sudfeld was a 6th round pick, same as Tom Brady.
I’m going to go out on a limb and predict that Sudfield will not win 5 Super Bowls
Looks like the great HOF career in NE for WR Amara Darboh has ended after three whole days.
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Oh my gosh, there goes the chance, right out the window, of Bill Belichick ever getting into the Hall of Fame. This is a grievous error that Belichick will never recover from.
"FIRE BELICHICK" is the outcry from Patriots fans.
BTW: If Tom Brady stops playing the way Bill Belicheck wants, Belichick will get rid of him to.
Your WRONG, Kraft loves Brady more than Belichek when it comes down to it, Perfect example is the Jimmy G trade.
I love how Philly Steve thinks he knows Patriots Football lol
Steve you always go directly to Belichick when he had zero to do with my comment AGAIN so please go back to french kissing that Belichick Fathead on your bedroom wall and stop assuming everything is Belichick related.
My comment was just pointing out that WR sucks and we pretty much knew that days ago.
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Bill Belichick doesn't call the offensive plays, Josh McDaniels does and its definitely not a situation where Josh looks to Bill every play. Not to mention Brady has the authority to change the play at the line depending on what the defense is doing pre-snap.
As Perk just pointed out, Belichick can't get rid of Brady if he wanted to because that move is way above Bill's paygrade.
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Those three Pats games he watches every year makes him an expert.
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I know Bill Belichick as I've enjoyed watching his interviews on YouTube...and the success speaks for itself.
And it's obvious, except to those diehard Tom Brady fans who cannot see the forest for the trees.
Isn't Belichick the head coach? I didn't realize that Tom Brady became the head coach.
Well Exccuuuuusssseee Meeeeeeeee.
BTW: the pics on my bedroom wall are of Doug Pederson and Carson Wentz. LOL
On the surface that may be correct, but Kraft knows that Belichick is the reason the Patriots became the great team that they are. Maybe I should say "were"...both Belichick and Brady are getting old.
Aww how cute,your first 3-way. I'm surprised you didn't go all in with Nick Foles too seeing he's responsible for your only real win in team history.
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Yea I know...you and Perkdog are enamored with Josh McDaniels...a guy who failed miserably when he was given an opportunity as head coach.
Without question, it is Belichick who is the genius behind the game plan, and then McDaniels carries it out during the game as offensive coordinator, and obviously Belichick will interject when he sees or wants something during the game. That is a fact.