Glick is a lot of things. Boring is not one of them
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Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I promise you I'm not angry about any of this, I still watch NFL and enjoy the game regardless if people that you support try to mix politics into it and attempt to cry that every minority is a victim. My Great Grandfather couldn't get a job because he was Irish and he got over it, this is not the pre 1960's regardless if your brainwashed by the skewed numbers made up of liberals and the every body gets a trophy crowd.
So the nutty fans of Baltimore want to remove Ray Lewis's statue for praying on two knees during the Anthem. Nobody seemed to call for the removal of the statue because he famously pleaded guilty to an obstruction of justice charge in a case involving two murders. People are particular in picking their spots
If I was him I would take down the statue myself
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Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I've view anyone as narrow minded (at least as it relates to the specific issue) that wants to trespass on the sanctity of the Constitution.
I guess that is where we differ on how we see this issue and how it relates to the Constitution. Like someone said before ,,,,,, no one here will get there mind changed by what we state here. I like the fact that it stayed civil and the powers to be didn't remove it or ban anybody.
I probably won't post on this anymore, but will check in every once in a while to see how things are going.
And once again, they're doing it because their life experiences and that of their friends and families are markedly different than yours and most all of us here.
I think this is the overriding point I've been trying or wanting to make. I'll expand more on this at the bottom.
@perkdog said:
So Steph Curry is ANGRY at SI for not including Kap on the new cover displaying "Unity". Talk about being ungrateful and ignorant, Kap Should not be allowed on that cover for being a fraud the way I see it. And Curry should be happy that the biggest sports related magazine is actually making the effort to publish what these athletes are trying to promote.
Damn, Paul. I really don't get the anger here. Look, you and I go back a long way here. We've "known" each other a long time and I think we'd both call each other friends - I certainly have always looked at you that way. But man, you keep opening my eyes, and not particularly in a good way. One of your most recent posts (not quoted here) called someone angry - @baseball, I think. And I'm seeing just the opposite. I get that you're deeply offended by the kneelers and the sitters. I get that you think they are directly and deliberately disrespecting the Flag and the Anthem and the military and the country - even though, particularly in Kaepernick's case, it was been repeatedly stated that those symbols and institutions are NOT what is being protested against.
I pulled Curry's quote from a headline on SBNation regarding Kaepernick not being on the SI cover: "If you don’t have Kaepernick front and center on that, something’s wrong". Paul, you've called Kaepernick a fraud and that he shouldn't be allowed on the cover. Why? What about what he's done makes him a fraud? That he sat for a couple of games and then started kneeling? (by the way, Paul, did you read the articles I posted about the Green Beret and his influence on Kaepernick's kneeling?). That he ushered in this season of protesting that has grown much larger than him? If that's your reasoning, and your only reasoning... well, okay - I guess he's a fraud. However, I'll counter with why he's not a fraud. He stood by his convictions. He didn't backtrack. He didn't claim he was misquoted. He put his money where his mouth is. He followed through with what he said he was going to do.
Mark there are exceptions to protesting peacefully or not. There is a time and place for everything, while on the job I believe this should not be allowed nor do I think that people who don't want to get involved should be subjected to any of it.
Paul, this is one of the most level-headed posts you've made thus far. More like these, please.
BTW, the overwhelming majority of those "Disagrees" were submitted by people who got their panties in a bunch because of my never ending bashing of that ridiculous clown known as Trump. And for that, I consider all of those a true badge of honor.
I'm guessing the 8 abuse flags came the way
You are a little mixed up....Trump replaced the BIGGEST CLOWN EVER!!!!
If you mean Bush you skipped a guy in between
If you are a Obama fan...we have NOTHING to talk about!
I've said before that from 1984 until 2016 I proudly voted a faithful Republican ticket. That of course ended with DJT. My disgust with him is deep and almost certainly not reverse-able. As a result of my opposition to our President and what he says and does, and my opinion that he sullies the good reputation and honor and respect due the occupant of the Oval Office.
Jon, I've got a problem with your statement for the following reason: you state that you have NOTHING to talk about with someone who admires our former President. First, I find that hypocritical on the face of the statement: Trump supporters demand respect for the current occupant of the OO, but view the former with contempt. I suspect that contempt didn't start on Jan 20, 2017, but most likely started Jan 20, 2009 (or soon after). The insults, the threats, the racial epithets, the claims he wasn't even an American (false), the claims that he's a Muslim (so what if he is? Our laws don't forbid a Muslim from being President), and so on. Second, an emphatic "I have NOTHING to say to you because you voted for and/or supported Obama" absolutely shuts the door to dialogue and healing. That shuts the door on finding common ground and making this country stronger and greater. You want to Make America Great Again? You can't do that by demanding everyone think and act just like you do.
Okay, enough of that. I have a challenge for those of you that scoff at the ideas of institutional racism and subtle racism. Kyle, I name you specifically here **only **because you have specifically and repeatedly asked for stats. Quantifiable numbers that prove certain things. We all know that stats are a tough thing to put forth - we've all become conditioned to regard stats with either suspicion (well, this research was funded by Soros, or Koch, or whoever), or we accept them wholeheartedly because the research was funded by Soros, or Koch, or whoever. And we all know that the same stats can be interpreted in vastly different ways depending on built-in biases or agendas.
So my challenge is this. I'm sure we all have at least one black friend. I hope we all do, anyway. Now this is going to require you taking a bit of a risk and having a bit of courage, so hopefully that black friend (or friends) are close enough that you can approach them. Invite him or her or them to coffee or lunch, look them in the eye, and ask them if they experience racism in their day-to-day lives. If they have (I would be floored if they hadn't), ask them to share some of those experiences with you. And then, please, sit back and listen. If you're close enough with them and they trust you, I can almost guarantee you the stories will come. And with the stories will come the pain. Guys, if you don't trust stats, or only want to trust the stats that jive with what you already believe, then believe your friend(s). Open your eyes a little to their world and believe them when they tell you that racism is alive and well. That's how this country will heal.
Peace, y'all. I echo what others have said. This has been a pretty good thread with good discussion, and I'm grateful it has been allowed to run.
Ok so when you go to work tomorrow I suggest you tell your boss that you want to peacefully protest what your angry about. Let me know how that works out for you, also I suggest you write your local state authorities and let them know you plan on posting up in front of the flag that flies in your local police station or courthouse and protest the flag flying there. Again let me know how that goes
@perkdog said:
I promise you I'm not angry about any of this, I still watch NFL and enjoy the game regardless if people that you support try to mix politics into it and attempt to cry that every minority is a victim. My Great Grandfather couldn't get a job because he was Irish and he got over it, this is not the pre 1960's regardless if your brainwashed by the skewed numbers made up of liberals and the every body gets a trophy crowd.
Not one person has stated every minority ( black ) is a victim. Honestly I think you been brainwashed. Baseball is a conservative as I'm I.
Personally I'm as equally feed up with the politics. But my distain is directed at the White House for fanning the flames. This is on
him.
Like you I will continue to watch football. Cheer for my Patroit's, fly the flag at my house and stand for the National Anthem went I attend games. I will also respect those who protest peacefully
My first job was working for Reagan and Bush Sr while in college.
mark
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Geordie thank you for referring to me as a friend, that means a lot when someone says that to me. And I know I ruffle feathers and tend to be outspoken on certain topics yet you still refer to me as your friend, that says a lot about your character and I sincerely appreciate that. Maybe I'm typing "Angry"? I guess it makes me angry that my point about this whole topic started with me saying it's wrong to protest on TV while you are being paid to play a sport and it got into a heated debate with Poster Baseball, what I'm saying makes perfect sense to me and to my fault I guess I'm not being respecteful to other people's opinions, yes maybe I been unreasonable, either way I will try to be more open minded going forward in this thread. As far as Kap goes I call him a fraud because as soon as he got let go by the NFL he now states that he will reverse what he started in hopes to get back into the NFL, he didn't vote and the message he sent wearing those cop/Pig socks really made me angry. That is why I call him a fraud
I would gladly buy beers for anyone in this thread anytime any day.
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Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I guess it makes me angry that my point about this whole topic started with me saying it's wrong to protest on TV while you are being paid to play a sport and it got into a heated debate with Poster Baseball, what I'm saying makes perfect sense to me and to my fault I guess I'm not being respecteful to other people's opinions, yes maybe I been unreasonable, either way I will try to be more open minded going forward in this thread>
Good on you Perkdog. We all need to come together even if we disagree and hear each other out. We are all Americans. We all have different experiences. I would be happy to call you my friend but maybe we just stick to Pat's football and fishing.
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Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
On the subject of the Pats... well, what I think of the Patriots can't be posted here. We've all already pushed the limits of what's acceptable on this board. I can't further risk my posting privileges by posting f-bombs and middle fingers and stuff.
Oh. Whoops!
signed,
a still pissed off Rams fan who will never get over that 2001 loss (**** you, Mike Martz. **** you for only letting Marshall Faulk touch the ball 9 times)
@Justacommeman said:
I would gladly buy beers for anyone in this thread anytime any day.
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you're a good egg, mark. i'm ubering kyle home, but the offer is very much appreciated. i would say give my suds to dimeman, but the thought of him trashed leaves me terror-stricken
@Justacommeman said:
I would gladly buy beers for anyone in this thread anytime any day.
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Dilly! Dilly!
I just assumed you'd want to escort Paul to the Pit of Misery...
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
@Justacommeman said:
I would gladly buy beers for anyone in this thread anytime any day.
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you're a good egg, mark. i'm ubering kyle home, but the offer is very much appreciated. i would say give my suds to dimeman, but the thought of him trashed leaves me terror-stricken
I think you and I could end up in jail together after a night out. Who on these boards do we ring with our one phone call to bail us out?
mark
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I never get angry either. Frustated but not angry. Ive been accused of having no feelings so it's hard to hold a grudge. It actually pisses people off sometimes. They assume I'm being aloof. We are all wired diffently.
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Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@Justacommeman said:
I would gladly buy beers for anyone in this thread anytime any day.
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you're a good egg, mark. i'm ubering kyle home, but the offer is very much appreciated. i would say give my suds to dimeman, but the thought of him trashed leaves me terror-stricken
I think you and I could end up in jail together after a night out. Who on these boards do we ring with out one phone call?
mark
i think the suitable thing to do is take a poll prior to so we'll be crystal clear who loathes both of us. it would royally suck to catch someone's vm and have to sleep with our derrières plastered to the wall
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
@grote15 said:
I only get angry when the Cowboys win..
I used to get giddy after each Cowboy loss. Now that I know Dimeman is on suicide watch as soon as the coin is flipped It's taken the fun out of rooting for them to implode
mark
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
BTW, the overwhelming majority of those "Disagrees" were submitted by people who got their panties in a bunch because of my never ending bashing of that ridiculous clown known as Trump. And for that, I consider all of those a true badge of honor.
I'm guessing the 8 abuse flags came the way
You are a little mixed up....Trump replaced the BIGGEST CLOWN EVER!!!!
If you mean Bush you skipped a guy in between
No, Bush was good...then 8 years of the worst President ever (beating out Carter)....then Trump who is trying to fix what Obama did.
If you are a Obama fan...we have NOTHING to talk about!
Trump was left with a mess. Obama did his best to destroy America. Going to take years and years to clean it up. Trump isn't perfect, but thank god hillary lost.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Wow, I have been right out straight at work this week and haven't been able to read this thread. I thought we had hashed all this stuff out already in the CK thread. Guess not. I think everyone can agree at this point that CK is a hypocrite as he has stated he would stand if hired.
It seems this whole deal is built upon the sandy foundation of the idea of institutional racism. If there is some far reaching secret plan coming down from our leaders to discriminate against minorities, I would love to hear about it. I think we would all be on the bandwagon to protest, or better yet create some actionable measures to eradicate it. However, there is really no evidence that such a thing currently exists. There is a lot of amorphous and hyperbolic talk of it to rile people up, but no hard evidence.
Everyone can agree there are pockets of racists in our country, but the real reason for gangs/gang violence and violence in our cities has very little to do with race, but a whole lot to do with poverty and SES.
BTW, the overwhelming majority of those "Disagrees" were submitted by people who got their panties in a bunch because of my never ending bashing of that ridiculous clown known as Trump. And for that, I consider all of those a true badge of honor.
I'm guessing the 8 abuse flags came the way
You are a little mixed up....Trump replaced the BIGGEST CLOWN EVER!!!!
If you mean Bush you skipped a guy in between
No, Bush was good...then 8 years of the worst President ever (beating out Carter)....then Trump who is trying to fix what Obama did.
If you are a Obama fan...we have NOTHING to talk about!
Trump was left with a mess. Obama did his best to destroy America. Going to take years and years to clean it up. Trump isn't perfect, but thank god hillary lost.
Geordie, I appreciate your suggestion, but further anecdotes don't further anyone's cause. Hard, indisputable data is needed and severely lacking. This should be the first step before dropping all kinds of loaded phrases with no actionable plans. Until one of the 'protesters' figure this out, I'll continue to consider their crusade an insult and a joke that damages the NFL brand, only intended to stir emotions with no plan to accomplish anything. Peace, I'm out.
Geordie, I appreciate your suggestion, but further anecdotes don't further anyone's cause. Hard, indisputable data is needed and severely lacking. This should be the first step before dropping all kinds of loaded phrases with no actionable plans. Until one of the 'protesters' figure this out, I'll continue to consider their crusade an insult and a joke that damages the NFL brand, only intended to stir emotions with no plan to accomplish anything. Peace, I'm out.
who exactly cares about the NFL brand? Not the players , not the fans , not the Trump
The owners care thats why they are acting so squirrelly . I find it amusing to see these lazy born into millions types squirm . I hope the tweets keep coming , and the kneelers keep kneeling , and the boo'ers in the stands keep yelling at them. I'm here to be entertained
For the record I don't harbor any ill will towards anyone here at CU or anywhere else where somebody has an opposite opinion of mine, in fact once a week me and my girl enjoy dinner with a couple and the husband is the biggest liberal in the world and feels 100 degree opposite of me and thinks I'm a weirdo for owning guns etc but we enjoy spirited discussions and it's always good at the end of it. I will admit I get a little heated typing away here at times but that lasts as long as it takes for me to post and sign off. I enjoyed the debate and am glad none of us flew off the handle and got the thread locked and or worse one of us got a ban. These boards needed a nice little heated discussion to pump some life into it so job well done by all that participated.
@perkdog said:
For the record I don't harbor any ill will towards anyone here at CU or anywhere else where somebody has an opposite opinion of mine, in fact once a week me and my girl enjoy dinner with a couple and the husband is the biggest liberal in the world and feels 100 degree opposite of me and thinks I'm a weirdo for owning guns etc but we enjoy spirited discussions and it's always good at the end of it. I will admit I get a little heated typing away here at times but that lasts as long as it takes for me to post and sign off. I enjoyed the debate and am glad none of us flew off the handle and got the thread locked and or worse one of us got a ban. These boards needed a nice little heated discussion to pump some life into it so job well done by all that participated.
Heck I'm a conservative and I don't agree with you ; )
mark
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@Coinstartled said:
If we all agreed, the forum would be a dull place.
The subject of the thread was certainly volatile and the opinions were sincere.
Boom. Agree
mark
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I've view anyone as narrow minded (at least as it relates to the specific issue) that wants to trespass on the sanctity of the Constitution.
I guess that is where we differ on how we see this issue and how it relates to the Constitution. Like someone said before ,,,,,, no one here will get there mind changed by what we state here. I like the fact that it stayed civil and the powers to be didn't remove it or ban anybody.
I probably won't post on this anymore, but will check in every once in a while to see how things are going.
DIMEMAN, I understand your passionate position on this even though it clearly does conflict with Constitutional rights. That their protest is covered as a Constitutional right is not debatable. So the other question would be any workplace rules they are in violation of and since the rules do not seem to be explicitly exclude what they are doing, and their employers have given them the "go-ahead", there should be no issue here. You don't have to like it (I don't like it though not to the extent you don't), but they have every right and permission to do what they're doing. And once again, they're doing it because their life experiences and that of their friends and families are markedly different than yours and most all of us here.
I guess I can't leave. My position doesn't conflict with the Constitution......I believe in being able to protest.....Just not during the NA and disrespecting the Flag! And as far as not breaking rules in the work place...it IS against the rules of the NFL.
I know for a fact that protesting where I use to work would NOT have been tolerated.
It certainly does conflict because you're just exchanging what YOU believe should be the rule of law as oppose to what actually is written in the Constitution. Please enlighten us as to where it is illegal for the players to be doing what they're doing? NOT what you "believe" they should be doing.
As for the rules of the NFL, the quote you cited doesn't support it unless you want to interpret it only in the way that you want to interpret it. There are no specific issues they are in violation of according to the language. And in such situations, the deference is given to the more lenient position.
As for where you use to work, it wasn't playing for an NFL team so your comparison is apples to oranges.
I am not making up the rules.....it is in the NFL rules.
I don't think any employer would allow protesting in the work place.
@baseball said:
In that case how's this, for every 100,000 residents in the U.S., the number of incarcerated folks by demographic is:
Black = 2,207
Latino = 966
White = 380
Yes, finally hard data! It still doesn't show any sort of injustice or racism, but we're getting somewhere. Now find other hard data to relate it to and maybe we can have a conversation.
How about this, of those 1052 police killings/year the average is just over 1 officer convicted of manslaughter or murder/year. I'm sure there are AA and/or Latinos on many of those juries, so what does that mean for police brutality? An inflammatory talking point or a whole lotta nothing outside the extreme margins? Hmmm....
This is why I've been reluctant to discuss data because it can be misinterpreted on both sides. If the officers who beat up Rodney King can be acquitted, that you should tell you something about the difficulty in convicting police officers. Hmm
You're reluctant to discuss hard data because it doesn't support your narrative or that of the 'protesters', but happy to throw out article from Slate or the ACLU. Hmmm....
Most all of the data is posted by organizations with agendas. But on the conservative sites, I don't see much data to review quite frankly. And whatever data gets posted, conclusions are drawn however the reader wants to draw them.
Interpret this however you wish...
I interpret it as you having way too much time on your hands.
was playing catch-up so i can once and for all tie a bow on this monstrosity and i made the mistake of looking at this post without my solar eclipse glasses on
@perkdog said:
For the record I don't harbor any ill will towards anyone here at CU or anywhere else where somebody has an opposite opinion of mine, in fact once a week me and my girl enjoy dinner with a couple and the husband is the biggest liberal in the world and feels 100 degree opposite of me and thinks I'm a weirdo for owning guns etc but we enjoy spirited discussions and it's always good at the end of it. I will admit I get a little heated typing away here at times but that lasts as long as it takes for me to post and sign off. I enjoyed the debate and am glad none of us flew off the handle and got the thread locked and or worse one of us got a ban. These boards needed a nice little heated discussion to pump some life into it so job well done by all that participated.
Heck I'm a conservative and I don't agree with you ; )
mark
Mark - I am a conservative......so how can you be.....when we hardly agree on anything. Only a Liberal would agree with disrespecting the Flag.
I'm back in Studio City CA and visited the area's best cigar lounge. This is the place where are world issues get solved everytime I'm in there. Its like this forum but face to face. It's like a 20+ people town hall. I think I know everybody there. It's a good mix of older guys and lots of writers and comics who are mostly younger. Some actors. The right/ left mix is equal. The debates here are fierce. Of course Kneelergate was the topic of the day. ( there was also a fight over the TV. Baseball or soccer).
Anyways, I would say this topic was running 50/50. The interesting thing it was running 50/50 amongst the known libs and 50/50 amongst the known rights. Some conservatives and Libs were on the same side of the debate for the first time. Refreshing in my eyes
FWIW
mark
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@perkdog said:
For the record I don't harbor any ill will towards anyone here at CU or anywhere else where somebody has an opposite opinion of mine, in fact once a week me and my girl enjoy dinner with a couple and the husband is the biggest liberal in the world and feels 100 degree opposite of me and thinks I'm a weirdo for owning guns etc but we enjoy spirited discussions and it's always good at the end of it. I will admit I get a little heated typing away here at times but that lasts as long as it takes for me to post and sign off. I enjoyed the debate and am glad none of us flew off the handle and got the thread locked and or worse one of us got a ban. These boards needed a nice little heated discussion to pump some life into it so job well done by all that participated.
Heck I'm a conservative and I don't agree with you ; )
mark
Mark - I am a conservative......so how can you be.....when we hardly agree on anything. Only a Liberal would agree with disrespecting the Flag.
Jon, cool your jets. Ive never voted democratic in my life. As a kid I was the original Alex P Keaton. My thesis was on why the Sherman Anti Trust Act was unfair to Reynolds. I worked for Reagan and Bush while in college. I've met both of them. Attended functions with them. . I went to the only libertarian college in the States at the time. I campaigned for the GOP. Given 10's of thousand of dollars to defeat liberal agendas. Ive stood in the cold too many weekends that I care to remember doing Tootsie Roll drives for Vets. I have a flag. I slalute it. I stand and sing during the Anthem. I can go on.
There are plenty of conversative leaners that put free speech above all other precepts. To be protected and defended vigorously. To me I'm being as patriotic as humanly possible. My liberal brother and father are on your side by the way. So does that make you a lib?
There are LOTS of us conservatives that are extremely unhappy with the current administration. We find it embarrassing. Guess who I think is the biggest thug of them all?? It ain't a black football player.
You are narrow minded. You think all republicans and right leaners are the same. I'm not a sheeple.
mark
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@perkdog said:
For the record I don't harbor any ill will towards anyone here at CU or anywhere else where somebody has an opposite opinion of mine, in fact once a week me and my girl enjoy dinner with a couple and the husband is the biggest liberal in the world and feels 100 degree opposite of me and thinks I'm a weirdo for owning guns etc but we enjoy spirited discussions and it's always good at the end of it. I will admit I get a little heated typing away here at times but that lasts as long as it takes for me to post and sign off. I enjoyed the debate and am glad none of us flew off the handle and got the thread locked and or worse one of us got a ban. These boards needed a nice little heated discussion to pump some life into it so job well done by all that participated.
Heck I'm a conservative and I don't agree with you ; )
mark
Mark - I am a conservative......so how can you be.....when we hardly agree on anything. Only a Liberal would agree with disrespecting the Flag.
Jon, cool your jets. Ive never voted democratic in my life. As a kid I was the original Alex P Keaton. My thesis was on why the Sherman Anti Trust Act was unfair to Reynolds. I worked for Reagan and Bush while in college. I've met both of them. Attended functions with them. . I went to the only libertarian college in the States at the times. I campaigned for the GOP. Given 10's of thousand soldiers of dollars to defeat liberal agendas. I can go on.
There are plenty of conversative leaners that put free speech above all other precepts. To be protected and defended vigorously. To me I'm being as patriotic as humanly possible. My liberal brother and father are on your side by the way.
mark
Sorry Mark - I thought it was the Liberal's that always wanted to let anything go.
@perkdog said:
For the record I don't harbor any ill will towards anyone here at CU or anywhere else where somebody has an opposite opinion of mine, in fact once a week me and my girl enjoy dinner with a couple and the husband is the biggest liberal in the world and feels 100 degree opposite of me and thinks I'm a weirdo for owning guns etc but we enjoy spirited discussions and it's always good at the end of it. I will admit I get a little heated typing away here at times but that lasts as long as it takes for me to post and sign off. I enjoyed the debate and am glad none of us flew off the handle and got the thread locked and or worse one of us got a ban. These boards needed a nice little heated discussion to pump some life into it so job well done by all that participated.
Heck I'm a conservative and I don't agree with you ; )
mark
Mark - I am a conservative......so how can you be.....when we hardly agree on anything. Only a Liberal would agree with disrespecting the Flag.
Jon, cool your jets. Ive never voted democratic in my life. As a kid I was the original Alex P Keaton. My thesis was on why the Sherman Anti Trust Act was unfair to Reynolds. I worked for Reagan and Bush while in college. I've met both of them. Attended functions with them. . I went to the only libertarian college in the States at the times. I campaigned for the GOP. Given 10's of thousand soldiers of dollars to defeat liberal agendas. I can go on.
There are plenty of conversative leaners that put free speech above all other precepts. To be protected and defended vigorously. To me I'm being as patriotic as humanly possible. My liberal brother and father are on your side by the way.
mark
Sorry Mark - I thought it was the Liberal's that always wanted to let anything go.
Backhanded and insincere apologies suck.
m
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@perkdog said:
For the record I don't harbor any ill will towards anyone here at CU or anywhere else where somebody has an opposite opinion of mine, in fact once a week me and my girl enjoy dinner with a couple and the husband is the biggest liberal in the world and feels 100 degree opposite of me and thinks I'm a weirdo for owning guns etc but we enjoy spirited discussions and it's always good at the end of it. I will admit I get a little heated typing away here at times but that lasts as long as it takes for me to post and sign off. I enjoyed the debate and am glad none of us flew off the handle and got the thread locked and or worse one of us got a ban. These boards needed a nice little heated discussion to pump some life into it so job well done by all that participated.
Heck I'm a conservative and I don't agree with you ; )
mark
Mark - I am a conservative......so how can you be.....when we hardly agree on anything. Only a Liberal would agree with disrespecting the Flag.
Jon, cool your jets. Ive never voted democratic in my life. As a kid I was the original Alex P Keaton. My thesis was on why the Sherman Anti Trust Act was unfair to Reynolds. I worked for Reagan and Bush while in college. I've met both of them. Attended functions with them. . I went to the only libertarian college in the States at the times. I campaigned for the GOP. Given 10's of thousand soldiers of dollars to defeat liberal agendas. I can go on.
There are plenty of conversative leaners that put free speech above all other precepts. To be protected and defended vigorously. To me I'm being as patriotic as humanly possible. My liberal brother and father are on your side by the way.
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Sorry Mark - I thought it was the Liberal's that always wanted to let anything go.
Backhanded and insincere apologies suck.
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Mark - It wasn't meant as a backhanded insincere apology.......really.
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(In case you doubt the veracity of a site like Raw Story, it's also being reported by Fox News, WaPo, Newsweek and others)
correction: this incident was not at the Academy proper, but at a 240-person Prep School located on the same campus.
The Air Force Academy boasts some of the finest young men and women this country has to offer. Scoffers will say this is just an isolated incident, but my suspicion is that those responsible for painting doors (assuming it wasn't just one person, of course) were just the one(s) bold enough to act on their racism. My suspicion is that there are many more who sympathize with the perpetrator(s) but don't have the "courage" to act on their beliefs. And this is at one of the finest military institutions in the world. That's just one college. Among hundreds and hundreds of campuses. Pockets of racism around the country? Hardly.
Kyle (and others), my point is this: you ask for statistics, but statistics are damn near impossible to provide, and I think you not only know this, but you count on the lack of hard data to bolster your point. Conduct a poll and ask 1000 people a simple question: "do you consider yourself a racist?" I suspect very, very few would admit that they have racist thoughts or attitudes. Look at the torch-carrying Nazis and KKK members in Charlottesville - isolated incident, yes. Disgusting, yes. Attended by hundreds, yes. Sympathized with by thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions? Impossible to quantify, but certainly one of those blocks of numbers is correct. I'll bet the vast majority of those silent sympathizers would never cop to being a racist if asked.
And that to me is how institutional or subtle racism manifests itself in our society. It's not the marching, angry chanters or robe wearers - we know who they are, or at least with the robe wearers we can count the numbers at the rally or march. But there's no counting the sympathizers who sit at home and nod and agree with those who choose to be very public about what they believe. It is my belief that those same sympathizers go about their daily lives and in very subtle ways disparage people of color.
No data to back that up, of course. But common sense tells me at least that the problem is much, much deeper than isolated pockets.
edited several times for punctuation and other typing errors. And one last time to add this: some may think I'm posting as some sort of holier-than-thou dude. I'm not. I'm not the same man now that I was even five years ago, much less 10, 20, and 30 years ago. I've used the racist words and phrases, I've thought the thoughts, I've held the attitudes. I'm not proud of any of it, quite the contrary. And I'm still very much a work in progress.
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For the record I don't harbor any ill will towards anyone here at CU or anywhere else where somebody has an opposite opinion of mine, in fact once a week me and my girl enjoy dinner with a couple and the husband is the biggest liberal in the world and feels 100 degree opposite of me and thinks I'm a weirdo for owning guns etc but we enjoy spirited discussions and it's always good at the end of it. I will admit I get a little heated typing away here at times but that lasts as long as it takes for me to post and sign off. I enjoyed the debate and am glad none of us flew off the handle and got the thread locked and or worse one of us got a ban. These boards needed a nice little heated discussion to pump some life into it so job well done by all that participated.
Heck I'm a conservative and I don't agree with you ; )
mark
If you're a conservative, my name is Kareem.
You even admitted on the first page that you're a libertarian. Lol
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@perkdog said:
For the record I don't harbor any ill will towards anyone here at CU or anywhere else where somebody has an opposite opinion of mine, in fact once a week me and my girl enjoy dinner with a couple and the husband is the biggest liberal in the world and feels 100 degree opposite of me and thinks I'm a weirdo for owning guns etc but we enjoy spirited discussions and it's always good at the end of it. I will admit I get a little heated typing away here at times but that lasts as long as it takes for me to post and sign off. I enjoyed the debate and am glad none of us flew off the handle and got the thread locked and or worse one of us got a ban. These boards needed a nice little heated discussion to pump some life into it so job well done by all that participated.
Heck I'm a conservative and I don't agree with you ; )
mark
If you're a conservative, my name is Kareem.
You even admitted on the first page that you're a libertarian. Lol
But they are not mutually exclusive. There are many fiscal conservatives who are social libertarians, too..
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@perkdog said:
For the record I don't harbor any ill will towards anyone here at CU or anywhere else where somebody has an opposite opinion of mine, in fact once a week me and my girl enjoy dinner with a couple and the husband is the biggest liberal in the world and feels 100 degree opposite of me and thinks I'm a weirdo for owning guns etc but we enjoy spirited discussions and it's always good at the end of it. I will admit I get a little heated typing away here at times but that lasts as long as it takes for me to post and sign off. I enjoyed the debate and am glad none of us flew off the handle and got the thread locked and or worse one of us got a ban. These boards needed a nice little heated discussion to pump some life into it so job well done by all that participated.
Heck I'm a conservative and I don't agree with you ; )
mark
If you're a conservative, my name is Kareem.
You even admitted on the first page that you're a libertarian. Lol
Ok then Kareem. They are not mutually exclusive and it's obvious you don't know what the concept is. That's ok
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If I may give a word of advice...political dialogue and hate speech here will find you exactly where "baseball" is...BANNED.
Spirited commentary and respect for each other's viewpoints are what the website allows, no more, no less.
Trust me !!
That's a shame
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@perkdog said:
For the record I don't harbor any ill will towards anyone here at CU or anywhere else where somebody has an opposite opinion of mine, in fact once a week me and my girl enjoy dinner with a couple and the husband is the biggest liberal in the world and feels 100 degree opposite of me and thinks I'm a weirdo for owning guns etc but we enjoy spirited discussions and it's always good at the end of it. I will admit I get a little heated typing away here at times but that lasts as long as it takes for me to post and sign off. I enjoyed the debate and am glad none of us flew off the handle and got the thread locked and or worse one of us got a ban. These boards needed a nice little heated discussion to pump some life into it so job well done by all that participated.
Heck I'm a conservative and I don't agree with you ; )
mark
If you're a conservative, my name is Kareem.
You even admitted on the first page that you're a libertarian. Lol
There are many fiscal conservatives who are social libertarians, too..
Right, that's a libertarian. Or a moderate Republican. Anyone who is socially liberal is definitely not a conservative. A conservative is someone like Sean Hannity or Ted Nugent, or Ted Cruz.
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@perkdog said:
For the record I don't harbor any ill will towards anyone here at CU or anywhere else where somebody has an opposite opinion of mine, in fact once a week me and my girl enjoy dinner with a couple and the husband is the biggest liberal in the world and feels 100 degree opposite of me and thinks I'm a weirdo for owning guns etc but we enjoy spirited discussions and it's always good at the end of it. I will admit I get a little heated typing away here at times but that lasts as long as it takes for me to post and sign off. I enjoyed the debate and am glad none of us flew off the handle and got the thread locked and or worse one of us got a ban. These boards needed a nice little heated discussion to pump some life into it so job well done by all that participated.
Heck I'm a conservative and I don't agree with you ; )
mark
If you're a conservative, my name is Kareem.
You even admitted on the first page that you're a libertarian. Lol
There are many fiscal conservatives who are social libertarians, too..
Right, that's a libertarian. Or a moderate Republican. Anyone who is socially liberal is definitely not a conservative. A conservative is someone like Sean Hannity or Ted Nugent, or Ted Cruz.
Those are extreme right wingers IMO and for sure I wouldn't want to be lumped in with any of those three. You stand with them if you wish and I'll stand with Jefferson and Paine.
Mark
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@perkdog said:
For the record I don't harbor any ill will towards anyone here at CU or anywhere else where somebody has an opposite opinion of mine, in fact once a week me and my girl enjoy dinner with a couple and the husband is the biggest liberal in the world and feels 100 degree opposite of me and thinks I'm a weirdo for owning guns etc but we enjoy spirited discussions and it's always good at the end of it. I will admit I get a little heated typing away here at times but that lasts as long as it takes for me to post and sign off. I enjoyed the debate and am glad none of us flew off the handle and got the thread locked and or worse one of us got a ban. These boards needed a nice little heated discussion to pump some life into it so job well done by all that participated.
Heck I'm a conservative and I don't agree with you ; )
mark
If you're a conservative, my name is Kareem.
You even admitted on the first page that you're a libertarian. Lol
There are many fiscal conservatives who are social libertarians, too..
Right, that's a libertarian. Or a moderate Republican. Anyone who is socially liberal is definitely not a conservative. A conservative is someone like Sean Hannity or Ted Nugent, or Ted Cruz.
Those are extreme right wingers IMO and for sure I wouldn't want to be lumped in with any of those three. You stand with them if you wish and I'll stand with Jefferson and Paine.
Mark
Thanks for proving me correct. You're no conservative. Definition of conservatism......
'Commitment to traditional values and ideas with opposition to change or innovation.'
No one showed up for Paine's funeral because the guy was an idiot. To each their own I guess.
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I'm certainly not YOUR definition of an conservative. That would be awful. Opposition to change or innovation?? Who would want to labeled as that? I guess you would have been against fire or the light bulb.
Paine was one of the Founding Fathers of the United States, he penned THE two most influential pamphlets at the start of the American Revolution. He inspired the rebels in 1776 to declare independence from Britain. That's a true patriot. My guess is Ned Nugent would have been a taxidermist or hunted squirrels and Sean Hannity would have been hiding underneath his bed.
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I get the feeling that this thread will get poofed. Constitution will offer no protection as CU is entitled to set their own parameters.
Glick is a lot of things. Boring is not one of them
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I promise you I'm not angry about any of this, I still watch NFL and enjoy the game regardless if people that you support try to mix politics into it and attempt to cry that every minority is a victim. My Great Grandfather couldn't get a job because he was Irish and he got over it, this is not the pre 1960's regardless if your brainwashed by the skewed numbers made up of liberals and the every body gets a trophy crowd.
So the nutty fans of Baltimore want to remove Ray Lewis's statue for praying on two knees during the Anthem. Nobody seemed to call for the removal of the statue because he famously pleaded guilty to an obstruction of justice charge in a case involving two murders. People are particular in picking their spots
If I was him I would take down the statue myself
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I think this is the overriding point I've been trying or wanting to make. I'll expand more on this at the bottom.
Damn, Paul. I really don't get the anger here. Look, you and I go back a long way here. We've "known" each other a long time and I think we'd both call each other friends - I certainly have always looked at you that way. But man, you keep opening my eyes, and not particularly in a good way. One of your most recent posts (not quoted here) called someone angry - @baseball, I think. And I'm seeing just the opposite. I get that you're deeply offended by the kneelers and the sitters. I get that you think they are directly and deliberately disrespecting the Flag and the Anthem and the military and the country - even though, particularly in Kaepernick's case, it was been repeatedly stated that those symbols and institutions are NOT what is being protested against.
I pulled Curry's quote from a headline on SBNation regarding Kaepernick not being on the SI cover: "If you don’t have Kaepernick front and center on that, something’s wrong". Paul, you've called Kaepernick a fraud and that he shouldn't be allowed on the cover. Why? What about what he's done makes him a fraud? That he sat for a couple of games and then started kneeling? (by the way, Paul, did you read the articles I posted about the Green Beret and his influence on Kaepernick's kneeling?). That he ushered in this season of protesting that has grown much larger than him? If that's your reasoning, and your only reasoning... well, okay - I guess he's a fraud. However, I'll counter with why he's not a fraud. He stood by his convictions. He didn't backtrack. He didn't claim he was misquoted. He put his money where his mouth is. He followed through with what he said he was going to do.
Seriously, Paul - I just don't get the anger.
Saying that, I remain...
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Geordie
Paul, this is one of the most level-headed posts you've made thus far. More like these, please.
I've said before that from 1984 until 2016 I proudly voted a faithful Republican ticket. That of course ended with DJT. My disgust with him is deep and almost certainly not reverse-able. As a result of my opposition to our President and what he says and does, and my opinion that he sullies the good reputation and honor and respect due the occupant of the Oval Office.
Jon, I've got a problem with your statement for the following reason: you state that you have NOTHING to talk about with someone who admires our former President. First, I find that hypocritical on the face of the statement: Trump supporters demand respect for the current occupant of the OO, but view the former with contempt. I suspect that contempt didn't start on Jan 20, 2017, but most likely started Jan 20, 2009 (or soon after). The insults, the threats, the racial epithets, the claims he wasn't even an American (false), the claims that he's a Muslim (so what if he is? Our laws don't forbid a Muslim from being President), and so on. Second, an emphatic "I have NOTHING to say to you because you voted for and/or supported Obama" absolutely shuts the door to dialogue and healing. That shuts the door on finding common ground and making this country stronger and greater. You want to Make America Great Again? You can't do that by demanding everyone think and act just like you do.
Okay, enough of that. I have a challenge for those of you that scoff at the ideas of institutional racism and subtle racism. Kyle, I name you specifically here **only **because you have specifically and repeatedly asked for stats. Quantifiable numbers that prove certain things. We all know that stats are a tough thing to put forth - we've all become conditioned to regard stats with either suspicion (well, this research was funded by Soros, or Koch, or whoever), or we accept them wholeheartedly because the research was funded by Soros, or Koch, or whoever. And we all know that the same stats can be interpreted in vastly different ways depending on built-in biases or agendas.
So my challenge is this. I'm sure we all have at least one black friend. I hope we all do, anyway. Now this is going to require you taking a bit of a risk and having a bit of courage, so hopefully that black friend (or friends) are close enough that you can approach them. Invite him or her or them to coffee or lunch, look them in the eye, and ask them if they experience racism in their day-to-day lives. If they have (I would be floored if they hadn't), ask them to share some of those experiences with you. And then, please, sit back and listen. If you're close enough with them and they trust you, I can almost guarantee you the stories will come. And with the stories will come the pain. Guys, if you don't trust stats, or only want to trust the stats that jive with what you already believe, then believe your friend(s). Open your eyes a little to their world and believe them when they tell you that racism is alive and well. That's how this country will heal.
Peace, y'all. I echo what others have said. This has been a pretty good thread with good discussion, and I'm grateful it has been allowed to run.
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Ok so when you go to work tomorrow I suggest you tell your boss that you want to peacefully protest what your angry about. Let me know how that works out for you, also I suggest you write your local state authorities and let them know you plan on posting up in front of the flag that flies in your local police station or courthouse and protest the flag flying there. Again let me know how that goes
Not one person has stated every minority ( black ) is a victim. Honestly I think you been brainwashed. Baseball is a conservative as I'm I.
Personally I'm as equally feed up with the politics. But my distain is directed at the White House for fanning the flames. This is on
him.
Like you I will continue to watch football. Cheer for my Patroit's, fly the flag at my house and stand for the National Anthem went I attend games. I will also respect those who protest peacefully
My first job was working for Reagan and Bush Sr while in college.
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Geordie thank you for referring to me as a friend, that means a lot when someone says that to me. And I know I ruffle feathers and tend to be outspoken on certain topics yet you still refer to me as your friend, that says a lot about your character and I sincerely appreciate that. Maybe I'm typing "Angry"? I guess it makes me angry that my point about this whole topic started with me saying it's wrong to protest on TV while you are being paid to play a sport and it got into a heated debate with Poster Baseball, what I'm saying makes perfect sense to me and to my fault I guess I'm not being respecteful to other people's opinions, yes maybe I been unreasonable, either way I will try to be more open minded going forward in this thread. As far as Kap goes I call him a fraud because as soon as he got let go by the NFL he now states that he will reverse what he started in hopes to get back into the NFL, he didn't vote and the message he sent wearing those cop/Pig socks really made me angry. That is why I call him a fraud
Nor is it my fight
I would gladly buy beers for anyone in this thread anytime any day.
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//ChEERS//
I guess it makes me angry that my point about this whole topic started with me saying it's wrong to protest on TV while you are being paid to play a sport and it got into a heated debate with Poster Baseball, what I'm saying makes perfect sense to me and to my fault I guess I'm not being respecteful to other people's opinions, yes maybe I been unreasonable, either way I will try to be more open minded going forward in this thread>
Good on you Perkdog. We all need to come together even if we disagree and hear each other out. We are all Americans. We all have different experiences. I would be happy to call you my friend but maybe we just stick to Pat's football and fishing.
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Thank You Mark, once again CHEERS
On the subject of the Pats... well, what I think of the Patriots can't be posted here. We've all already pushed the limits of what's acceptable on this board. I can't further risk my posting privileges by posting f-bombs and middle fingers and stuff.
Oh. Whoops!
signed,
a still pissed off Rams fan who will never get over that 2001 loss (**** you, Mike Martz. **** you for only letting Marshall Faulk touch the ball 9 times)
edit: 400!
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you're a good egg, mark. i'm ubering kyle home, but the offer is very much appreciated. i would say give my suds to dimeman, but the thought of him trashed leaves me terror-stricken
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Please enlighten us, DM..> @baseball said:
I just assumed you'd want to escort Paul to the Pit of Misery...
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I think you and I could end up in jail together after a night out. Who on these boards do we ring with our one phone call to bail us out?
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I never get angry either. Frustated but not angry. Ive been accused of having no feelings so it's hard to hold a grudge. It actually pisses people off sometimes. They assume I'm being aloof. We are all wired diffently.
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i think the suitable thing to do is take a poll prior to so we'll be crystal clear who loathes both of us. it would royally suck to catch someone's vm and have to sleep with our derrières plastered to the wall
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
I only get angry when the Cowboys win..
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I used to get giddy after each Cowboy loss. Now that I know Dimeman is on suicide watch as soon as the coin is flipped It's taken the fun out of rooting for them to implode
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Trump was left with a mess. Obama did his best to destroy America. Going to take years and years to clean it up. Trump isn't perfect, but thank god hillary lost.
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Wow, I have been right out straight at work this week and haven't been able to read this thread. I thought we had hashed all this stuff out already in the CK thread. Guess not. I think everyone can agree at this point that CK is a hypocrite as he has stated he would stand if hired.
It seems this whole deal is built upon the sandy foundation of the idea of institutional racism. If there is some far reaching secret plan coming down from our leaders to discriminate against minorities, I would love to hear about it. I think we would all be on the bandwagon to protest, or better yet create some actionable measures to eradicate it. However, there is really no evidence that such a thing currently exists. There is a lot of amorphous and hyperbolic talk of it to rile people up, but no hard evidence.
Everyone can agree there are pockets of racists in our country, but the real reason for gangs/gang violence and violence in our cities has very little to do with race, but a whole lot to do with poverty and SES.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I couldn't agree with you more!!!
Geordie, I appreciate your suggestion, but further anecdotes don't further anyone's cause. Hard, indisputable data is needed and severely lacking. This should be the first step before dropping all kinds of loaded phrases with no actionable plans. Until one of the 'protesters' figure this out, I'll continue to consider their crusade an insult and a joke that damages the NFL brand, only intended to stir emotions with no plan to accomplish anything. Peace, I'm out.
@LarkinCollector said:
who exactly cares about the NFL brand? Not the players , not the fans , not the Trump
The owners care thats why they are acting so squirrelly . I find it amusing to see these lazy born into millions types squirm . I hope the tweets keep coming , and the kneelers keep kneeling , and the boo'ers in the stands keep yelling at them. I'm here to be entertained
For the record I don't harbor any ill will towards anyone here at CU or anywhere else where somebody has an opposite opinion of mine, in fact once a week me and my girl enjoy dinner with a couple and the husband is the biggest liberal in the world and feels 100 degree opposite of me and thinks I'm a weirdo for owning guns etc but we enjoy spirited discussions and it's always good at the end of it. I will admit I get a little heated typing away here at times but that lasts as long as it takes for me to post and sign off. I enjoyed the debate and am glad none of us flew off the handle and got the thread locked and or worse one of us got a ban. These boards needed a nice little heated discussion to pump some life into it so job well done by all that participated.
If we all agreed, the forum would be a dull place.
The subject of the thread was certainly volatile and the opinions were sincere.
Heck I'm a conservative and I don't agree with you ; )
mark
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Boom. Agree
mark
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was playing catch-up so i can once and for all tie a bow on this monstrosity and i made the mistake of looking at this post without my solar eclipse glasses on
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Mark - I am a conservative......so how can you be.....when we hardly agree on anything. Only a Liberal would agree with disrespecting the Flag.
I'm back in Studio City CA and visited the area's best cigar lounge. This is the place where are world issues get solved everytime I'm in there. Its like this forum but face to face. It's like a 20+ people town hall. I think I know everybody there. It's a good mix of older guys and lots of writers and comics who are mostly younger. Some actors. The right/ left mix is equal. The debates here are fierce. Of course Kneelergate was the topic of the day. ( there was also a fight over the TV. Baseball or soccer).
Anyways, I would say this topic was running 50/50. The interesting thing it was running 50/50 amongst the known libs and 50/50 amongst the known rights. Some conservatives and Libs were on the same side of the debate for the first time. Refreshing in my eyes
FWIW
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Jon, cool your jets. Ive never voted democratic in my life. As a kid I was the original Alex P Keaton. My thesis was on why the Sherman Anti Trust Act was unfair to Reynolds. I worked for Reagan and Bush while in college. I've met both of them. Attended functions with them. . I went to the only libertarian college in the States at the time. I campaigned for the GOP. Given 10's of thousand of dollars to defeat liberal agendas. Ive stood in the cold too many weekends that I care to remember doing Tootsie Roll drives for Vets. I have a flag. I slalute it. I stand and sing during the Anthem. I can go on.
There are plenty of conversative leaners that put free speech above all other precepts. To be protected and defended vigorously. To me I'm being as patriotic as humanly possible. My liberal brother and father are on your side by the way. So does that make you a lib?
There are LOTS of us conservatives that are extremely unhappy with the current administration. We find it embarrassing. Guess who I think is the biggest thug of them all?? It ain't a black football player.
You are narrow minded. You think all republicans and right leaners are the same. I'm not a sheeple.
mark
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Sorry Mark - I thought it was the Liberal's that always wanted to let anything go.
Backhanded and insincere apologies suck.
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Mark - It wasn't meant as a backhanded insincere apology.......really.
Thank you Jon
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Sure, there are pockets of racism around the country. Nothing to see here. Please move along
(In case you doubt the veracity of a site like Raw Story, it's also being reported by Fox News, WaPo, Newsweek and others)
correction: this incident was not at the Academy proper, but at a 240-person Prep School located on the same campus.
The Air Force Academy boasts some of the finest young men and women this country has to offer. Scoffers will say this is just an isolated incident, but my suspicion is that those responsible for painting doors (assuming it wasn't just one person, of course) were just the one(s) bold enough to act on their racism. My suspicion is that there are many more who sympathize with the perpetrator(s) but don't have the "courage" to act on their beliefs. And this is at one of the finest military institutions in the world. That's just one college. Among hundreds and hundreds of campuses. Pockets of racism around the country? Hardly.
Kyle (and others), my point is this: you ask for statistics, but statistics are damn near impossible to provide, and I think you not only know this, but you count on the lack of hard data to bolster your point. Conduct a poll and ask 1000 people a simple question: "do you consider yourself a racist?" I suspect very, very few would admit that they have racist thoughts or attitudes. Look at the torch-carrying Nazis and KKK members in Charlottesville - isolated incident, yes. Disgusting, yes. Attended by hundreds, yes. Sympathized with by thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions? Impossible to quantify, but certainly one of those blocks of numbers is correct. I'll bet the vast majority of those silent sympathizers would never cop to being a racist if asked.
And that to me is how institutional or subtle racism manifests itself in our society. It's not the marching, angry chanters or robe wearers - we know who they are, or at least with the robe wearers we can count the numbers at the rally or march. But there's no counting the sympathizers who sit at home and nod and agree with those who choose to be very public about what they believe. It is my belief that those same sympathizers go about their daily lives and in very subtle ways disparage people of color.
No data to back that up, of course. But common sense tells me at least that the problem is much, much deeper than isolated pockets.
edited several times for punctuation and other typing errors. And one last time to add this: some may think I'm posting as some sort of holier-than-thou dude. I'm not. I'm not the same man now that I was even five years ago, much less 10, 20, and 30 years ago. I've used the racist words and phrases, I've thought the thoughts, I've held the attitudes. I'm not proud of any of it, quite the contrary. And I'm still very much a work in progress.
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If you're a conservative, my name is Kareem.
You even admitted on the first page that you're a libertarian. Lol
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But they are not mutually exclusive. There are many fiscal conservatives who are social libertarians, too..
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If I may give a word of advice...political dialogue and hate speech here will find you exactly where "baseball" is...BANNED.
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wow are all his posts gone? the thread is kind of hard to follow without them. He has been here since 2001
Ok then Kareem. They are not mutually exclusive and it's obvious you don't know what the concept is. That's ok
@grote I just saw your post. The voice of reason
Mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
That's a shame
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Right, that's a libertarian. Or a moderate Republican. Anyone who is socially liberal is definitely not a conservative. A conservative is someone like Sean Hannity or Ted Nugent, or Ted Cruz.
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Those are extreme right wingers IMO and for sure I wouldn't want to be lumped in with any of those three. You stand with them if you wish and I'll stand with Jefferson and Paine.
Mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Thanks for proving me correct. You're no conservative. Definition of conservatism......
'Commitment to traditional values and ideas with opposition to change or innovation.'
No one showed up for Paine's funeral because the guy was an idiot. To each their own I guess.
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I'm certainly not YOUR definition of an conservative. That would be awful. Opposition to change or innovation?? Who would want to labeled as that? I guess you would have been against fire or the light bulb.
Paine was one of the Founding Fathers of the United States, he penned THE two most influential pamphlets at the start of the American Revolution. He inspired the rebels in 1776 to declare independence from Britain. That's a true patriot. My guess is Ned Nugent would have been a taxidermist or hunted squirrels and Sean Hannity would have been hiding underneath his bed.
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......