@garnettstyle said:
Trump has his right to speak his opinions as well. Disrespecting our flag is bad influence on our kids.
And I would argue that stifling and demonizing peaceful protest is an even worse influence on our kids.
I see an awful lot of the "THE ONLY CORRECT WAY TO THINK IS TO THINK AND BELIEVE WHAT I THINK AND BELIEVE" sentiment displayed here. I get the feeling that many here would be completely comfortable living in a never-ending echo chamber.
@electrode said:
c'mon guys let it go this forum is for sports talk not political views
The athletes have chosen to burn the bridge that seperates the two.
Hogwash
mark
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@dallasactuary said:
In the case of the kneelers, if they were protesting out of moral conviction they would understand that it might cost them playing time, their current job and future employment opportunities.
I will point out that "kneeler zero", Colin Kaepernick, is experiencing 100% of this, and when he was still wearing an NFL uniform was still willing to risk all of the above. Many here certainly believe he deserves everything he's gotten, but none of you can say he lacks conviction or hasn't put his money where his mouth is.
Many of you will also argue that it isn't his convictions or his kneeling that has cost him an NFL job, but rather his skillset (or lack thereof). If you believe that there are 96 quarterbacks in the NFL right now that are better than him, you're delusional. A casual glance at some of the QBs taking the field would prove my point. Oh yeah, I forgot. A lot of y'all are boycotting and therefore can't/won't see what I'm talking about.
CK has a much better chance of an owner taking a chance on signing him now after how Sunday went down. If not he will go down as a martyr
mark
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Tom Brady is on record as saying the President's words were divisive.
“Yeah, I certainly disagree with what he said. I thought it was just divisive,” Brady said Monday morning during a radio interview with WEEI in Boston. “Like I said, I just want to support my teammates.”
a) it's done on your own time - how many of our employers would be OK with protests at work? Do you think there would be consequences?
b) people have a clue what you're protesting - I still have no idea what any current NFL player is attempting to accomplish by kneeling, staying in the locker room, locking arms, etc.
Disrespecting the national anthem will cause at least some people to tune out, period, and is not beneficial for growing or maintaining viewership for the NFL. At some point, the NFL will have to step in and stop the bleeding. Sporting events should be an apolitical escape, not the torture it was to watch yesterday with every pre and post game interview, summary, etc. focused on politics.
At least Kaep backed it up and was donating to and spending time promoting causes outside of his kneeling for the anthem. I can't say the same for most this past weekend.
@electrode said:
c'mon guys let it go this forum is for sports talk not political views
The athletes have chosen to burn the bridge that seperates the two.
Hogwash
mark
Didn't you bow out?
You dragged me back in. I'm only human
Staying out of the Trump/Obama fray. That seems logical
mark
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This event reminds me of the Occupy Wall Street Protests of about 5 years ago. Well organized and highly publicized, nobody really knew what the protesters were rallying against...including the protesters.
The NFL kneelers seem to be against Trump, racism and exhibit a general hatred of cops. Early on, Snowflake Colin stated some objections to Hillary as well.
As they cannibalize the sport that made them wealthy, they should at least hire a good PR firm and focus their grievances.
^^^ naw, but then I don't live near enough to any professional stadium to get taxed. If I did, however, I would be vote against such a tax and would be vocal about it. I regularly vote against new taxes/bonds anyway, though. They always end up costing far more than than we were promised.
Further, I find it repugnant when an owner (or ownership group) tries to hold a city hostage when they're asking for public money to build a new stadium. I'm sure San Diego misses their Chargers, but imo the voters did the right thing for the city by telling the Spanos family to kick rocks.
@bronco2078 said:
If the team owner wants to fire a guy for kneeling they can . So far they have not .
Kaep has effectively blackballed himself, though technically not fired. He's a gifted athlete, but has been deemed too toxic to be an effective team leader that a team needs from the QB.
@Coinstartled said:
Your cheeky post insinuated that fans have no skin in the game. Fact is they subsidize the blowhards. Hell, even the non fans do.
Truth. If your local cable package (assuming that you have cable) includes ESPN and/or the NFL Network, you are still helping support the league and line the pockets of owners and players.
@bronco2078 said:
If the team owner wants to fire a guy for kneeling they can . So far they have not .
Who here owns an NFL team, show of hands?? Nobody?
Any forum members have a voicemail from an NFL owner asking for advice on what to do?
Any forum members get taxed to pay for the stadium where the millionaires and billionaires perform their magic?
That is a good reason to shut down the whole league right there
Your cheeky post insinuated that fans have no skin in the game. Fact is they subsidize the blowhards. Hell, even the non fans do.
Welcome to America. Will you be staying long?
mark
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@Coinstartled said:
Your cheeky post insinuated that fans have no skin in the game. Fact is they subsidize the blowhards. Hell, even the non fans do.
Truth. If your local cable package (assuming that you have cable) includes ESPN and/or the NFL Network, you are still helping support the league and line the pockets of owners and players.
No cable in my home.
I don't really mind the cable hit as folks can choose to accept or decline the service. Not an option for residents in Glendale Arizona where property taxes doubled to keep the NHL team and NFL stadium afloat.
It begs the question , are the NFL owners still getting paid to be patriotic? If so then by supporting players who kneel they should refund some money. Or did the checks stop coming ?
It begs the question , are the NFL owners still getting paid to be patriotic? If so then by supporting players who kneel they should refund some money. Or did the checks stop coming?
By the tone of this article, probably not. The NFL claims they have refunded all “paid patriotism” money.
I agree with Mark (Justcommeman) no one is going to change the others mind here. Everyone knows my feeling on this so I won't state them again here. I have looked into other sports and they are making rules now about this if they didn't already have them in place. It's just a matter of time before the NFL cracks down on this. Sure there are social issues that are in great need of change and yes people have the right to bring these up. But during the NA is NOT the time or place to do it.
I am bowing out with Mark at this time also. Some (especially one) have resorted to name calling and attacking the President. When I did this over a year ago on our previous President I was banned and it took a long time to get back. I think we all need to back off and let this take it's course. The NFL will do whatever they are going to do. Some of us will be happy and some of us won't. There is really nothing we can do. Everyone has stated their feelings, which is your right, now let's get back to coins and sports!
GO COWBOYS!!! I am anxious to see what the Dallas players do during the NA after the directive was given to them by Mr. Jones!
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@baseball said:
The notion that these players shouldn't protest because it's disrespectful to soldiers makes little sense to me being that those soldiers serve PRECISELY to protect the rights of Americans to be able to protest in just such a manner. If we bar people from protesting things that we may not agree with, then what's the point of an "America".
I have never said they don't have the right to protest......it's just how they are going about it that is wrong.
So protesting is acceptable as long as it doesn't offend anyone?
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The only way to solve this is issue is to take the saluting the flag and national anthem OUT of the picture completely. I don't believe children still have to salute the flag in school anymore? Sporting events for society is meant for our enjoyment and money for athletes and owners nothing more nothing less so let's just take the politics and religion right out of it. There problem solved, now we can move along.
perk that thought has been percolating in my head as well
mark
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Agree with Perkdog on taking religion and politics out of it. It wasn't that long ago that players stayed in the locker room during the NA.
Let the players use social media and the platform their fame gives them to support the causes they find meaningful. However I have a feeling that if you took religion out of it you would hear a non-stop stream of moral outrage from the Christians.
@perkdog said:
The only way to solve this is issue is to take the saluting the flag and national anthem OUT of the picture completely. I don't believe children still have to salute the flag in school anymore? Sporting events for society is meant for our enjoyment and money for athletes and owners nothing more nothing less so let's just take the politics and religion right out of it. There problem solved, now we can move along.
Guys it's not a matter of religion. Although I think taking the Pledge of Allegiance out of schools was a bad move.
The NA and the Flag is all about America and being an American and respect. I look for the NFL to make a strong stand on this soon.
@Justacommeman said:
perk that thought has been percolating in my head as well
mark
speaking of things percolating, i believe the reward for crossing over the 1k like threshold is gratuitous sex with Sergio's wife
just looked at your stats and i'm in awe
dallasactuary will be by any moment now to break down my stats and prove I'm overrated. Maybe too many LOL's and agrees during my old man years
mark
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FYI in a break from tradition MNF will be televising the National Anthem tonight
mark
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@LarkinCollector said:
Protesting is fine when:
b) people have a clue what you're protesting - I still have no idea what any current NFL player is attempting to accomplish by kneeling, staying in the locker room, locking arms, etc.
I mean this with all due respect: If you don't know what they're protesting, you've been intentionally avoiding finding out. Kaep said it over and over and it's been mentioned a ton of times since. They're protesting police violence against minorities and mistreatment of/racism against minorities.
Once again the protesting police thing is absolutely ridiculous, Law Enforcement is the most diverse organization in the country aside from the Military.
@Tabe said:
I mean this with all due respect: If you don't know what they're protesting, you've been intentionally avoiding finding out. Kaep said it over and over and it's been mentioned a ton of times since. They're protesting police violence against minorities and mistreatment of/racism against minorities.
I know what they're protesting, but I've never heard anyone talk about it; people just talk about kneeling. And the thing is, there really isn't anything else to talk about. Police are more likely to shoot white suspects than black ones, and black officers are more likely than white officers to shoot black suspects. There is no evidence of any racist component to policing, and because of that a "conversation" serves no purpose. From every news segment/interview I've seen, if you aren't willing to disclaim the known facts about race and policing and accept the fantasy that cops have declared war on "black lives" then you're a racist and your voice will not be heard. I mean, I have the right to do handstands while barking like a seal at work to protest the fact that unicorns are sending subliminal messages through my dental fillings, but I really wouldn't expect anyone to sit down and have a conversation with me about it. I'd expect to have people talk about my barking handstands and, because I'm not a privileged millionaire like the kneelers, to be fired. That about sums up the situation for me and everyone the kneelers pretend they're trying to educate. This farce will end when it ends, the NFL brand will be damaged more and more the longer this farce persists, and then another moral preener will find another way to bring attention to himself and we'll talk about him. But the notion that millionaires kneeling during the national anthem will change anything is so comical I just have to laugh; anyone whose sense of humor isn't impaired is surely laughing at that, too.
This is for you @thisistheshow - Jim Rice was actually a pretty good player.
I'm not sure how kneeling in slience for 2 minutes before the game equates to not doing your job.
mark
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The last time Jerry Jones knelt he sold his soul to the devil.
mark
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The kneeling was before the NA. Everybody was standing for the NA! Stop trying to change what happened!
I didn't see it I'm a cord cutter . I watch tv with an antenna now and monday night games are not on here unless the patriots are playing. They are on ESPN I think.
The kneeling was before the NA. Everybody was standing for the NA! Stop trying to change what happened!
I didn't see it I'm a cord cutter . I watch tv with an antenna now and monday night games are not on here unless the patriots are playing. They are on ESPN I think.
Yes...it is on ESPN and YES they all stood for the NA.
Theres another reason NFL ratings are down. People are sick of paying for cable they are dumping it left and right . The monday night games used to be on ABC and they moved them to ESPN Why move the Monday game off of ABC to a sister network less people have? Its not like the game is displacing anything ABC shows are awful.
The thursday night games you need cable for also. NFL network is not even basic cable like ESPN is , plus thursday night games are normally awful so no one is going to request NFL channel just to see that dreck.
So Jerry supports the players despite his statements? Interesting...or trying to play both sides of the fence..
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And I would argue that stifling and demonizing peaceful protest is an even worse influence on our kids.
I see an awful lot of the "THE ONLY CORRECT WAY TO THINK IS TO THINK AND BELIEVE WHAT I THINK AND BELIEVE" sentiment displayed here. I get the feeling that many here would be completely comfortable living in a never-ending echo chamber.
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The athletes have chosen to burn the bridge that seperates the two.
Hogwash
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I will point out that "kneeler zero", Colin Kaepernick, is experiencing 100% of this, and when he was still wearing an NFL uniform was still willing to risk all of the above. Many here certainly believe he deserves everything he's gotten, but none of you can say he lacks conviction or hasn't put his money where his mouth is.
Many of you will also argue that it isn't his convictions or his kneeling that has cost him an NFL job, but rather his skillset (or lack thereof). If you believe that there are 96 quarterbacks in the NFL right now that are better than him, you're delusional. A casual glance at some of the QBs taking the field would prove my point. Oh yeah, I forgot. A lot of y'all are boycotting and therefore can't/won't see what I'm talking about.
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CK has a much better chance of an owner taking a chance on signing him now after how Sunday went down. If not he will go down as a martyr
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Tom Brady is on record as saying the President's words were divisive.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/25/politics/tom-brady-nfl-protests-donald-trump-national-anthem/index.html
And for the "CNN is fake news" crowd:
http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2017/09/25/tom-brady-trump-national-anthem-comments-were-divisive.html
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Didn't you bow out?
Protesting is fine when:
a) it's done on your own time - how many of our employers would be OK with protests at work? Do you think there would be consequences?
b) people have a clue what you're protesting - I still have no idea what any current NFL player is attempting to accomplish by kneeling, staying in the locker room, locking arms, etc.
Disrespecting the national anthem will cause at least some people to tune out, period, and is not beneficial for growing or maintaining viewership for the NFL. At some point, the NFL will have to step in and stop the bleeding. Sporting events should be an apolitical escape, not the torture it was to watch yesterday with every pre and post game interview, summary, etc. focused on politics.
At least Kaep backed it up and was donating to and spending time promoting causes outside of his kneeling for the anthem. I can't say the same for most this past weekend.
You dragged me back in. I'm only human
Staying out of the Trump/Obama fray. That seems logical
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
This event reminds me of the Occupy Wall Street Protests of about 5 years ago. Well organized and highly publicized, nobody really knew what the protesters were rallying against...including the protesters.
The NFL kneelers seem to be against Trump, racism and exhibit a general hatred of cops. Early on, Snowflake Colin stated some objections to Hillary as well.
As they cannibalize the sport that made them wealthy, they should at least hire a good PR firm and focus their grievances.
If the team owner wants to fire a guy for kneeling they can . So far they have not .
Who here owns an NFL team, show of hands?? Nobody?
Any forum members have a voicemail from an NFL owner asking for advice on what to do?
Any forum members get taxed to pay for the stadium where the millionaires and billionaires perform their magic?
That is a good reason to shut down the whole league right there
^^^ naw, but then I don't live near enough to any professional stadium to get taxed. If I did, however, I would be vote against such a tax and would be vocal about it. I regularly vote against new taxes/bonds anyway, though. They always end up costing far more than than we were promised.
Further, I find it repugnant when an owner (or ownership group) tries to hold a city hostage when they're asking for public money to build a new stadium. I'm sure San Diego misses their Chargers, but imo the voters did the right thing for the city by telling the Spanos family to kick rocks.
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Kaep has effectively blackballed himself, though technically not fired. He's a gifted athlete, but has been deemed too toxic to be an effective team leader that a team needs from the QB.
Your cheeky post insinuated that fans have no skin in the game. Fact is they subsidize the blowhards. Hell, even the non fans do.
Truth. If your local cable package (assuming that you have cable) includes ESPN and/or the NFL Network, you are still helping support the league and line the pockets of owners and players.
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Welcome to America. Will you be staying long?
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
No cable in my home.
I don't really mind the cable hit as folks can choose to accept or decline the service. Not an option for residents in Glendale Arizona where property taxes doubled to keep the NHL team and NFL stadium afloat.
Cheeky? I didn't realize you were British Glick .
So apparently patriotism at the NFL level was paid for by the government
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2017/09/24/draft-n2385792
It begs the question , are the NFL owners still getting paid to be patriotic? If so then by supporting players who kneel they should refund some money. Or did the checks stop coming ?
By the tone of this article, probably not. The NFL claims they have refunded all “paid patriotism” money.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/15611052/nfl-returning-723000-taxpayers-paid-military-tributes
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I agree with Mark (Justcommeman) no one is going to change the others mind here. Everyone knows my feeling on this so I won't state them again here. I have looked into other sports and they are making rules now about this if they didn't already have them in place. It's just a matter of time before the NFL cracks down on this. Sure there are social issues that are in great need of change and yes people have the right to bring these up. But during the NA is NOT the time or place to do it.
I am bowing out with Mark at this time also. Some (especially one) have resorted to name calling and attacking the President. When I did this over a year ago on our previous President I was banned and it took a long time to get back. I think we all need to back off and let this take it's course. The NFL will do whatever they are going to do. Some of us will be happy and some of us won't. There is really nothing we can do. Everyone has stated their feelings, which is your right, now let's get back to coins and sports!
GO COWBOYS!!! I am anxious to see what the Dallas players do during the NA after the directive was given to them by Mr. Jones!
Good post Dimeman.
I will retire from the thread as well!
That was a good post! I wonder who wrote it?
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
So protesting is acceptable as long as it doesn't offend anyone?
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I miss the good ol' days
The only way to solve this is issue is to take the saluting the flag and national anthem OUT of the picture completely. I don't believe children still have to salute the flag in school anymore? Sporting events for society is meant for our enjoyment and money for athletes and owners nothing more nothing less so let's just take the politics and religion right out of it. There problem solved, now we can move along.
perk that thought has been percolating in my head as well
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
speaking of things percolating, i believe the reward for crossing over the 1k like threshold is gratuitous sex with Sergio's wife
just looked at your stats and i'm in awe
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Agree with Perkdog on taking religion and politics out of it. It wasn't that long ago that players stayed in the locker room during the NA.
Let the players use social media and the platform their fame gives them to support the causes they find meaningful. However I have a feeling that if you took religion out of it you would hear a non-stop stream of moral outrage from the Christians.
Robb
Guys it's not a matter of religion. Although I think taking the Pledge of Allegiance out of schools was a bad move.
The NA and the Flag is all about America and being an American and respect. I look for the NFL to make a strong stand on this soon.
dallasactuary will be by any moment now to break down my stats and prove I'm overrated. Maybe too many LOL's and agrees during my old man years
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
FYI in a break from tradition MNF will be televising the National Anthem tonight
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
What do they call a drug ring in Oakland?
The huddle.
What is the difference between a baby and Phillip Rivers?
The baby will stop whining after a while.
Why won't ducks fly directly over Mile High Stadium?
There's nothing worth crapping on.
Just a commemorative man with 14,196 plate appearances but a higher strikeout rate than Aaron Judge.
I mean this with all due respect: If you don't know what they're protesting, you've been intentionally avoiding finding out. Kaep said it over and over and it's been mentioned a ton of times since. They're protesting police violence against minorities and mistreatment of/racism against minorities.
Once again the protesting police thing is absolutely ridiculous, Law Enforcement is the most diverse organization in the country aside from the Military.
Now that was RESPECT! Dallas/Cardinal players all standing! LOVE IT!!!!
I know what they're protesting, but I've never heard anyone talk about it; people just talk about kneeling. And the thing is, there really isn't anything else to talk about. Police are more likely to shoot white suspects than black ones, and black officers are more likely than white officers to shoot black suspects. There is no evidence of any racist component to policing, and because of that a "conversation" serves no purpose. From every news segment/interview I've seen, if you aren't willing to disclaim the known facts about race and policing and accept the fantasy that cops have declared war on "black lives" then you're a racist and your voice will not be heard. I mean, I have the right to do handstands while barking like a seal at work to protest the fact that unicorns are sending subliminal messages through my dental fillings, but I really wouldn't expect anyone to sit down and have a conversation with me about it. I'd expect to have people talk about my barking handstands and, because I'm not a privileged millionaire like the kneelers, to be fired. That about sums up the situation for me and everyone the kneelers pretend they're trying to educate. This farce will end when it ends, the NFL brand will be damaged more and more the longer this farce persists, and then another moral preener will find another way to bring attention to himself and we'll talk about him. But the notion that millionaires kneeling during the national anthem will change anything is so comical I just have to laugh; anyone whose sense of humor isn't impaired is surely laughing at that, too.
I'm not sure how kneeling in slience for 2 minutes before the game equates to not doing your job.
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Looks like pre-game was a different story, but they definitely stood for the Anthem.
https://nypost.com/2017/09/25/jerry-jones-kneels-with-cowboys-in-pre-anthem-statement/
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Jerry Jones kneeling?
The kneeling was before the NA. Everybody was standing for the NA!
Stop trying to change what happened!
The last time Jerry Jones knelt he sold his soul to the devil.
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I didn't see it I'm a cord cutter . I watch tv with an antenna now and monday night games are not on here unless the patriots are playing. They are on ESPN I think.
Yes...it is on ESPN and YES they all stood for the NA.
Theres another reason NFL ratings are down. People are sick of paying for cable they are dumping it left and right . The monday night games used to be on ABC and they moved them to ESPN Why move the Monday game off of ABC to a sister network less people have? Its not like the game is displacing anything ABC shows are awful.
The thursday night games you need cable for also. NFL network is not even basic cable like ESPN is , plus thursday night games are normally awful so no one is going to request NFL channel just to see that dreck.
So Jerry supports the players despite his statements? Interesting...or trying to play both sides of the fence..
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Jerry said to his players and staff......you will stand for the NA! And they did!