The day that America's favorite sport went bust.

Coinstartled

The Two NFL teams playing in London kneeled for the National anthem. Do these idiots have any knowledge of the second world war? Did any of their relatives fight and lose their lives for the allied forces?

My protest of the game began half a dozen years ago for mostly unrelated reasons. They will not miss my occasional flipping on of a Sunday night game. My old man demographics mean nothing to advertisers.

This continued publicity of shallow thinking multimillionaires will reverberate and will kill already stumbling ratings. Can't say that it bothers me....in fact I will greatly anticipate the demise of this bloated sport.

garnettstyle

I'm done with the NFL

countdouglas

These threads with similar topics are just comedy gold and thick with irony.

Okaaaaaaay....quietly kneeling in protest, regardless of whether you agree or disagree with the cause, is sooooo much more disrespectful to our flag and our military and our veterans and our Constitution than waving a Confederate battle flag or, the irony of all irony, a Nazi flag!... Hahaha! Oh wait, I forgot... they had a permit.

Good grief, people!...If you don't realize that you're being manipulated and played - by the "good people", ON BOTH SIDES! - then I don't know what else to tell you.

You want to stop the kneeling? Stop letting it bother you.

Coinstartled

@countdouglas said:
These threads with similar topics are just comedy gold and thick with irony.

Okaaaaaaay....quietly kneeling in protest, regardless of whether you agree or disagree with the cause, is sooooo much more disrespectful to our flag and our military and our veterans and our Constitution than waving a Confederate battle flag or, the irony of all irony, a Nazi flag!... Hahaha! Oh wait, I forgot... they had a permit.

Good grief, people!...If you don't realize that you're being manipulated and played - by the "good people", ON BOTH SIDES! - then I don't know what else to tell you.

heh...Godwins law!

bronco2078

True story , I used to be a NASCAR fan who watched on TV only, then when NASCAR started up in NH I went to the first race when they started praying I lost my mind , They literally pray before the race. I had never seen that because even back then my remote had batteries so obviously I don't watch until the action starts.

Its funny to see trump stirring up people with these tweets though. If I had a tweeter I would say cancel all anthems , all prayers , and fire all former players that talk on the broadcast. What I really want some sort of Redzone where I see all 60 minutes in real time with no sound. It's why I have trouble watching baseball , I want to switch the channel during the 45 seconds between every pitch.

dbtunr

@bronco2078 said:

True story , I used to be a NASCAR fan who watched on TV only, then when NASCAR started up in NH I went to the first race when they started praying I lost my mind , They literally pray before the race. I had never seen that because even back then my remote had batteries so obviously I don't watch until the action starts.

Its funny to see trump stirring up people with these tweets though. If I had a tweeter I would say cancel all anthems , all prayers , and fire all former players that talk on the broadcast. What I really want some sort of Redzone where I see all 60 minutes in real time with no sound. It's why I have trouble watching baseball , I want to switch the channel during the 45 seconds between every pitch.

Why don't you just add "and get off my lawn"?

bronco2078

Why don't you just add "and get off my lawn"?

Looks like I got you to do that for me

DIMEMAN

@bronco2078 said:

True story , I used to be a NASCAR fan who watched on TV only, then when NASCAR started up in NH I went to the first race when they started praying I lost my mind , They literally pray before the race. I had never seen that because even back then my remote had batteries so obviously I don't watch until the action starts.

Its funny to see trump stirring up people with these tweets though. If I had a tweeter I would say cancel all anthems , all prayers , and fire all former players that talk on the broadcast. What I really want some sort of Redzone where I see all 60 minutes in real time with no sound. It's why I have trouble watching baseball , I want to switch the channel during the 45 seconds between every pitch.

You're sad Bronco.......it's people like you that are causing the problems we now have in this country.

bronco2078

@DIMEMAN said:

@bronco2078 said:

True story , I used to be a NASCAR fan who watched on TV only, then when NASCAR started up in NH I went to the first race when they started praying I lost my mind , They literally pray before the race. I had never seen that because even back then my remote had batteries so obviously I don't watch until the action starts.

Its funny to see trump stirring up people with these tweets though. If I had a tweeter I would say cancel all anthems , all prayers , and fire all former players that talk on the broadcast. What I really want some sort of Redzone where I see all 60 minutes in real time with no sound. It's why I have trouble watching baseball , I want to switch the channel during the 45 seconds between every pitch.

You're sad Bronco.......it's people like you that are causing the problems we now have in this country.

People that just want to see the game? People that aren't lapping up all the propaganda from both sides?

Explain to me what patriotism has to do with football? Football is paid entertainment , the NFL did not enslave anyone , or free any slaves , or storm the beaches at Normandy . The NFL is pandering to people by playing a national anthem , the same way the do when they put pink jerseys or ribbons on people for breast cancer awareness. The NFL doesn't care about anything but putting money in their pockets . When they see you standing for the anthem they smirk at you the same way they do when they see you fork out 9$ for a hot dog.

Justacommeman

The "sport" gained credibility with me today watching the majority of players in arm lock unison with owners. Fellow team mates did their thing. This is why America is great. You can't do this everywhere. When you're not allowed to your own thing then we become like everyone else.

mark

DIMEMAN

@bronco2078 said:

@DIMEMAN said:

@bronco2078 said:

True story , I used to be a NASCAR fan who watched on TV only, then when NASCAR started up in NH I went to the first race when they started praying I lost my mind , They literally pray before the race. I had never seen that because even back then my remote had batteries so obviously I don't watch until the action starts.

Its funny to see trump stirring up people with these tweets though. If I had a tweeter I would say cancel all anthems , all prayers , and fire all former players that talk on the broadcast. What I really want some sort of Redzone where I see all 60 minutes in real time with no sound. It's why I have trouble watching baseball , I want to switch the channel during the 45 seconds between every pitch.

You're sad Bronco.......it's people like you that are causing the problems we now have in this country.

People that just want to see the game? People that aren't lapping up all the propaganda from both sides?

Explain to me what patriotism has to do with football? Football is paid entertainment , the NFL did not enslave anyone , or free any slaves , or storm the beaches at Normandy . The NFL is pandering to people by playing a national anthem , the same way the do when they put pink jerseys or ribbons on people for breast cancer awareness. The NFL doesn't care about anything but putting money in their pockets . When they see you standing for the anthem they smirk at you the same way they do when they see you fork out 9$ for a hot dog.

First - patriotism has everything to do with everything. All of us that live in this great country have what we have because of the men and women who gave their all so we could have all of this. Football players like everyone else should show respect to the Flag and the NA......PERIOD! Not doing so disrespects all of those men and women who gave their all.

Second - I think and hope you are wrong about the NFL does not care about Breast Cancer. I think the NFL showed how they care about others during the past disasters in Texas and Florida.

perkdog

I prostitute the NFL for my enjoyment, I don't buy any NFL channels, I don't go to games and I don't buy NFL jerseys. I simply watch it and enjoy it on tv, nothing more nothing less. I don't overthink it at all, I watch it when I want and enjoy it

DIMEMAN

@perkdog said:
I prostitute the NFL for my enjoyment, I don't buy any NFL channels, I don't go to games and I don't buy NFL jerseys. I simply watch it and enjoy it on tv, nothing more nothing less. I don't overthink it at all, I watch it when I want and enjoy it

Exactly.......When people asked me if I still watch Football with all this going on ......I say yes because to stop watching would hurt me not them. I don't pay to go to games and I don't buy Jersey's either.

larryallen73

@Coinstartled said:
The Two NFL teams playing in London kneeled for the National anthem. Do these idiots have any knowledge of the second world war? Did any of their relatives fight and lose their lives for the allied forces?

My protest of the game began half a dozen years ago for mostly unrelated reasons. They will not miss my occasional flipping on of a Sunday night game. My old man demographics mean nothing to advertisers.

This continued publicity of shallow thinking multimillionaires will reverberate and will kill already stumbling ratings. Can't say that it bothers me....in fact I will greatly anticipate the demise of this bloated sport.

You soon might not be watching any sports then because I expect most will adopt a similar position. You might need to stick to coins since they are inhuman!?

garnettstyle

@baseball said:
The notion that these players shouldn't protest because it's disrespectful to soldiers makes little sense to me being that those soldiers serve PRECISELY to protect the rights of Americans to be able to protest in just such a manner. If we bar people from protesting things that we may not agree with, then what's the point of an "America".

As for the OP's question:

"Do these idiots have any knowledge of the second world war? Did any of their relatives fight and lose their lives for the allied forces?"

That would be a question much better asked of the "President" being that the ass clown thinks that White supremacists holding Nazi flags are "good people" even though just about everyone else in his very own administration was smart enough to renounce them.

Fake news.

keets

watching this unfold over time has changed my reaction and opinion.

at first I was appalled by the actions that Colin Kapernick took but now I simply look at it as a form of personal expression. if the players did something like remain seated or turning away from the Flag, well, I think that would be disrespectful. taking a knee isn't to my way of thinking a form of disrespect, and I don't see all the comparisons made which link what's going on to Veterans. these guys are clear about that, it is tied to Civil Unrest and Race Relations in our Country and an effort to draw attention to that. point me, please, to one of these athletes who says he's doing this because he has no respect for Veterans. if that was in the news I must have missed it.

think about what these guys do: they go down on one knee and bow their heads while the anthem is played. that sounds to me like prayer or meditation.

I grew up in the 60's and served in the USN, so it isn't like I have no perspective here. Mark alluded to how I feel and I recall a saying that was popular in the 60's and 70's --- I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend with my life your right to say it. that's what is lost in all this, people expressing their Constitutional Rights and others getting all "butt hurt" over it, the old "love it or leave it crowd" again.

DIMEMAN

@baseball said:
The notion that these players shouldn't protest because it's disrespectful to soldiers makes little sense to me being that those soldiers serve PRECISELY to protect the rights of Americans to be able to protest in just such a manner. If we bar people from protesting things that we may not agree with, then what's the point of an "America".

I have never said they don't have the right to protest......it's just how they are going about it that is wrong.

DIMEMAN

Maybe everyone here and all the NFL players should read the NFL rule book pages A62 and A63. In short this rule states that all players must be on the sidelines before the NA starts and must be at attention with hand over heart and helmet in left hand with no talking during the NA. Failure could lead to fines and suspensions.

Hummmmm. Where is the Commish on this???!!!

Justacommeman

I'm with baseball. Politics, sports and religion do not mix so well

I'm a card carrying libertarian FWIW

mark

DIMEMAN

@baseball said:

@DIMEMAN said:

@baseball said:
The notion that these players shouldn't protest because it's disrespectful to soldiers makes little sense to me being that those soldiers serve PRECISELY to protect the rights of Americans to be able to protest in just such a manner. If we bar people from protesting things that we may not agree with, then what's the point of an "America".

I have never said they don't have the right to protest......it's just how they are going about it that is wrong.

But that's merely your opinion. If it's a non-violent protest, who are you or anyone to define how they should go about it? As long as no laws are being broken in the process, what is the issue?

This country has a LONG history of protests, and it's very probable that if you were alive at the time they went on, you would have been annoyed by the way they did it. But those protests led to what most agree reflect progress and a better America for all. Things such as children not being put in factories for 12 hours a day, or separate drinking fountains and on and on.

But most importantly, it is PROTESTING that led to the FOUNDING of this country. What about these things do you guys not get???

Read my previous post that I was writing when you sent this. It's interesting.

perkdog

The big picture that most people forget is #1 they are on the job, #2 they should not be allowed to use national TV to throw their protests down the throats of America. Sorry but your getting paid to be a professional so act like one. They want to go protest the flag, drink beer, buy stupid stuff then by all means knock yourself out but when your in uniform your not representing yourself your representing your employer.

Coinstartled

@larryallen73 said:

@Coinstartled said:
The Two NFL teams playing in London kneeled for the National anthem. Do these idiots have any knowledge of the second world war? Did any of their relatives fight and lose their lives for the allied forces?

My protest of the game began half a dozen years ago for mostly unrelated reasons. They will not miss my occasional flipping on of a Sunday night game. My old man demographics mean nothing to advertisers.

This continued publicity of shallow thinking multimillionaires will reverberate and will kill already stumbling ratings. Can't say that it bothers me....in fact I will greatly anticipate the demise of this bloated sport.

You soon might not be watching any sports then because I expect most will adopt a similar position. You might need to stick to coins since they are inhuman!?

Probably down to 20 minutes a week anyway. Dropped MLB 2 decades ago. NFL 5 years ago. Watch a little college but the shortest Pac12 game this weekend was 3 hours and 36 minutes. Don't have the patience.

DIMEMAN

Any event that I am at where the NA is played I stand at attention facing the flag with hand over heart and if I am wearing a hat it is in my left hand. At home there is no talking and everyone faces the TV. I fly a Flag in my front yard 24-7 with light and have a Flag hanging in my living room up by the TV.

Any more question on my respect for the Flag.

DIMEMAN

@baseball said:

@DIMEMAN said:
Any event that I am at I stand at attention facing the flag with hand over heart and if I am wearing a hat it is in my left hand. At home there is no talking and everyone faces the TV. I fly a Flag in my front yard 24-7 with light and have a Flag hanging in my living room up by the TV.

Any more question on my respect for the Flag.

Well, I'm happy for you. You should walk up and down your neighborhood and berate those neighbors that aren't doing the same. Perhaps you might have an impact there.

Maybe if everybody was like me we wouldn't have all these problems.

garnettstyle

@baseball said:

@DIMEMAN said:

@baseball said:

@DIMEMAN said:
Any event that I am at I stand at attention facing the flag with hand over heart and if I am wearing a hat it is in my left hand. At home there is no talking and everyone faces the TV. I fly a Flag in my front yard 24-7 with light and have a Flag hanging in my living room up by the TV.

Any more question on my respect for the Flag.

Well, I'm happy for you. You should walk up and down your neighborhood and berate those neighbors that aren't doing the same. Perhaps you might have an impact there.

Maybe if everybody was like me we wouldn't have all these problems.

Or maybe we'd have a whole bunch of different problems that may be even worse.

Spoiled, disrespectful NFL players, and divisive people like you are part of the problem.

Justacommeman

@garnettstyle said:

@baseball said:

@DIMEMAN said:

@baseball said:

@DIMEMAN said:
Any event that I am at I stand at attention facing the flag with hand over heart and if I am wearing a hat it is in my left hand. At home there is no talking and everyone faces the TV. I fly a Flag in my front yard 24-7 with light and have a Flag hanging in my living room up by the TV.

Any more question on my respect for the Flag.

Well, I'm happy for you. You should walk up and down your neighborhood and berate those neighbors that aren't doing the same. Perhaps you might have an impact there.

Maybe if everybody was like me we wouldn't have all these problems.

Or maybe we'd have a whole bunch of different problems that may be even worse.

Spoiled, disrespectful NFL players, and divisive people like you are part of the problem.

I can't believe I actually agree with your boy Terry Bradshaw on something. Divisive is our leaders middle name.

Terry Bradshaw came out firing against Donald Trump on FOX NFL Sunday.

At the opening of the pregame show, Bradshaw said he didn't condone the anthem protests, but explained forceful that players have the freedom to exercise their rights.

"This is America. If our country stands for anything, folks, it's freedom. People died for that freedom. I'm not sure if our President understands those rights. That every American has the right to speak out also to protest. Believe me, these athletes do love our this great country of ours. Personally, I think our President should concentrate on North Korea and healthcare rather than ripping into athletes and the NFL."

Terry Bradshaw: 'I'm not sure if our president understands those rights, that every American has the right to speak out and also to protest'

Howie Long followed up Bradshaw's words by saying, "Kneeling or sitting for the anthem is not something I would choose to do, but I fully support the right to do it. That being said, what keeps getting lost in the form of the protest is the message of inequality. Put in a perspective, as a white father having raised three boys, there were a million things to worry about on a daily basis, but it's impossible for me truly understand the challenges an African-American father faces at every turn while raising his children. But in a league that is comprised of 70 percent African-American players, if you're a white player in an NFL locker room, that puts you in a unique position to try and better understand those struggles and subsequently as we've seen, show your support for your teammates in your own way. Understanding starts with a dialogue and the most important part of dialogue is to listen."

mark

garnettstyle

@Justacommeman said:

@garnettstyle said:

@baseball said:

@DIMEMAN said:

@baseball said:

@DIMEMAN said:
Any event that I am at I stand at attention facing the flag with hand over heart and if I am wearing a hat it is in my left hand. At home there is no talking and everyone faces the TV. I fly a Flag in my front yard 24-7 with light and have a Flag hanging in my living room up by the TV.

Any more question on my respect for the Flag.

Well, I'm happy for you. You should walk up and down your neighborhood and berate those neighbors that aren't doing the same. Perhaps you might have an impact there.

Maybe if everybody was like me we wouldn't have all these problems.

Or maybe we'd have a whole bunch of different problems that may be even worse.

Spoiled, disrespectful NFL players, and divisive people like you are part of the problem.

I can't believe I actually agree with your boy Terry Bradshaw on something. Divisive is our leaders middle name.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/terry-bradshaw-says-donald-trump-162903497.html

Terry Bradshaw came out firing against Donald Trump on FOX NFL Sunday.

At the opening of the pregame show, Bradshaw said he didn't condone the anthem protests, but explained forceful that players have the freedom to exercise their rights.

"This is America. If our country stands for anything, folks, it's freedom. People died for that freedom. I'm not sure if our President understands those rights. That every American has the right to speak out also to protest. Believe me, these athletes do love our this great country of ours. Personally, I think our President should concentrate on North Korea and healthcare rather than ripping into athletes and the NFL."

mark

And Franco and Lambert disagrees with Bradshaw.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/09/05/nfl-legend-franco-harris-colin-kaepernick-national-anthem-protest

garnettstyle

Trump has his right to speak his opinions as well. Disrespecting our flag is bad influence on our kids.

Justacommeman

@garnettstyle said:
Trump has his right to speak his opinions as well.

Yep and everyone has the right to ignore him

mark

Justacommeman

@garnettstyle said:

@Justacommeman said:

@garnettstyle said:

@baseball said:

@DIMEMAN said:

@baseball said:

@DIMEMAN said:
Any event that I am at I stand at attention facing the flag with hand over heart and if I am wearing a hat it is in my left hand. At home there is no talking and everyone faces the TV. I fly a Flag in my front yard 24-7 with light and have a Flag hanging in my living room up by the TV.

Any more question on my respect for the Flag.

Well, I'm happy for you. You should walk up and down your neighborhood and berate those neighbors that aren't doing the same. Perhaps you might have an impact there.

Maybe if everybody was like me we wouldn't have all these problems.

Or maybe we'd have a whole bunch of different problems that may be even worse.

Spoiled, disrespectful NFL players, and divisive people like you are part of the problem.

I can't believe I actually agree with your boy Terry Bradshaw on something. Divisive is our leaders middle name.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/terry-bradshaw-says-donald-trump-162903497.html

Terry Bradshaw came out firing against Donald Trump on FOX NFL Sunday.

At the opening of the pregame show, Bradshaw said he didn't condone the anthem protests, but explained forceful that players have the freedom to exercise their rights.

"This is America. If our country stands for anything, folks, it's freedom. People died for that freedom. I'm not sure if our President understands those rights. That every American has the right to speak out also to protest. Believe me, these athletes do love our this great country of ours. Personally, I think our President should concentrate on North Korea and healthcare rather than ripping into athletes and the NFL."

mark

And Franco and Lambert disagrees with Bradshaw.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/09/05/nfl-legend-franco-harris-colin-kaepernick-national-anthem-protest

Fake news

mark

garnettstyle

@Justacommeman said:

@garnettstyle said:
Trump has his right to speak his opinions as well.

Yep and everyone has the right to ignore him

mark

Yeah good luck with that. Watch the NFL ratings continue to slide.

garnettstyle

@baseball said:

@garnettstyle said:

@baseball said:

@DIMEMAN said:

@baseball said:

@DIMEMAN said:
Any event that I am at I stand at attention facing the flag with hand over heart and if I am wearing a hat it is in my left hand. At home there is no talking and everyone faces the TV. I fly a Flag in my front yard 24-7 with light and have a Flag hanging in my living room up by the TV.

Any more question on my respect for the Flag.

Well, I'm happy for you. You should walk up and down your neighborhood and berate those neighbors that aren't doing the same. Perhaps you might have an impact there.

Maybe if everybody was like me we wouldn't have all these problems.

Or maybe we'd have a whole bunch of different problems that may be even worse.

Spoiled, disrespectful NFL players, and divisive people like you are part of the problem.

Or perhaps intolerant and constitutional disrespecting people like are the real problem. God forbid we allow people to speak their minds or express their viewpoints in the United States of America. Sounds like you'd be much happier in North Korea or another totalitarian state where you can be told what to do and how to think and take comfort in the fact that your fellow citizenry won't dare speak out against any of it.

You call bashing the flag protesting?

The owners spoke their minds, because last time I checked, mr Colin is still out of a job lol.

Justacommeman

@garnettstyle said:

@Justacommeman said:

@garnettstyle said:
Trump has his right to speak his opinions as well.

Yep and everyone has the right to ignore him

mark

Yeah good luck with that. Watch the NFL ratings continue to slide.

Could care less. TV ratings are down in almost all TV segments. FYI the NFL will have a record 14 billion dollars in revenue this year. It was 13 billion last year.

mark

garnettstyle

@baseball said:

@garnettstyle said:
Trump has his right to speak his opinions as well. Disrespecting our flag is bad influence on our kids.

He certainly does. And no one has a bigger platform to do so. But as for bad influences on kids, perhaps a guy who would so brazenly defend White supremacists, brag about touching woman's private parts without permission, uses the F bomb in campaign speeches, and is hard up to use the atomic bomb at the slightest provocation (and who also happens to be the PRESIDENT) is probably the worst kind of influence on children I could imagine.

Cool, but at least Trump loves his country unlike the last racist president who invited black lives matter and the criminal racist Al Sharpton to the White House.

Justacommeman

@garnettstyle said:

@baseball said:

@garnettstyle said:
Trump has his right to speak his opinions as well. Disrespecting our flag is bad influence on our kids.

He certainly does. And no one has a bigger platform to do so. But as for bad influences on kids, perhaps a guy who would so brazenly defend White supremacists, brag about touching woman's private parts without permission, uses the F bomb in campaign speeches, and is hard up to use the atomic bomb at the slightest provocation (and who also happens to be the PRESIDENT) is probably the worst kind of influence on children I could imagine.

Cool, but at least Trump loves his country unlike the last racist president who invited black lives matter and the criminal racist Al Sharpton to the White House.

I need to memorialize this.

mark

Justacommeman

@baseball said:

@garnettstyle said:

@baseball said:

@garnettstyle said:
Trump has his right to speak his opinions as well. Disrespecting our flag is bad influence on our kids.

He certainly does. And no one has a bigger platform to do so. But as for bad influences on kids, perhaps a guy who would so brazenly defend White supremacists, brag about touching woman's private parts without permission, uses the F bomb in campaign speeches, and is hard up to use the atomic bomb at the slightest provocation (and who also happens to be the PRESIDENT) is probably the worst kind of influence on children I could imagine.

Cool, but at least Trump loves his country unlike the last racist president who invited black lives matter and the criminal racist Al Sharpton to the White House.

Yes, he loves it so much that he would rather have his dictates take law rather than go through a legislative process to effect legislation. The only country that Trump loves is the United States of Trump. The guy doesn't have a clue about anything. He's a buffoon of unparalleled proportions. Anyone who can't see that is blindly following the clown for God only know what crazy reason. This is coming from a person who has never not supported a Republican candidate for office.

Agree.

I've never voted for a democrat that I can remember either for a major office

mark

dallasactuary

So Terry Bradshaw is as confused and uneducated as everyone else defending this crap. Nobody - precisely nobody - is saying that these players do not have the right to kneel (or whatever) during the National Anthem. No, he's not mind-bogglingly stupid enough to mention "separate drinking fountains" as if they were relevant, but he's still wildly off topic.

It's America, they have the right to do whatever they want to do. It's America, the government can't punish the players for exercising their rights. It's America, the owners can punish the players for not doing what they are told to do. The kneelers are costing the owners money; how much there's probably no way of knowing, but it's obviously costing them something. People who protest out of principled conviction (MLK, e.g.) understand that they will bear the consequences of their protests (losing a job, going to jail, etc.). People who protest out of moral vanity (the kneelers) expect other people (the owners) to bear the consequences of their protests. The kneelers are contemptible; not for protesting, but for how they have gone about it.

This is the argument, but nobody (here or on Fox NFL) attempts to rebut it. Instead we get nonsense about separate drinking fountains, children in factories, and freedom to protest as if any protester was being threatened with prison. If you haven't heard dallasactuary's law before, here it is: every argument made by the political left is a straw man. That law has stood uncontradicted for several years, and you'll find no argument in support of the kneelers that contradicts it either.

garnettstyle

@baseball said:

@garnettstyle said:

@baseball said:

@garnettstyle said:
Trump has his right to speak his opinions as well. Disrespecting our flag is bad influence on our kids.

He certainly does. And no one has a bigger platform to do so. But as for bad influences on kids, perhaps a guy who would so brazenly defend White supremacists, brag about touching woman's private parts without permission, uses the F bomb in campaign speeches, and is hard up to use the atomic bomb at the slightest provocation (and who also happens to be the PRESIDENT) is probably the worst kind of influence on children I could imagine.

Cool, but at least Trump loves his country unlike the last racist president who invited black lives matter and the criminal racist Al Sharpton to the White House.

Yes, he loves it so much that he would rather have his dictates take law rather than go through a legislative process to effect legislation. The only country that Trump loves is the United States of Trump. The guy doesn't have a clue about anything. He's a buffoon of unparalleled proportions. Anyone who can't see that is blindly following the clown for God only know what crazy reason. This is coming from a person who has never not supported a Republican candidate for office.

I didn't vote for trump either, but he sure is ten times better than our last idiot, Christian hating, President with no balls.

Justacommeman

@garnettstyle said:

@baseball said:

@garnettstyle said:

@baseball said:

@garnettstyle said:
Trump has his right to speak his opinions as well. Disrespecting our flag is bad influence on our kids.

He certainly does. And no one has a bigger platform to do so. But as for bad influences on kids, perhaps a guy who would so brazenly defend White supremacists, brag about touching woman's private parts without permission, uses the F bomb in campaign speeches, and is hard up to use the atomic bomb at the slightest provocation (and who also happens to be the PRESIDENT) is probably the worst kind of influence on children I could imagine.

Cool, but at least Trump loves his country unlike the last racist president who invited black lives matter and the criminal racist Al Sharpton to the White House.

Yes, he loves it so much that he would rather have his dictates take law rather than go through a legislative process to effect legislation. The only country that Trump loves is the United States of Trump. The guy doesn't have a clue about anything. He's a buffoon of unparalleled proportions. Anyone who can't see that is blindly following the clown for God only know what crazy reason. This is coming from a person who has never not supported a Republican candidate for office.

I didn't vote for trump either, but he sure is ten times better than our last idiot, Christian hating, President with no balls.

Ouch

mark

Justacommeman

We are not going to change each other's minds. This thread is officially in bobsled ride to hell territory.

The players do have every right to protest. People have every right to tune out or tune in. People have every right to disagree with the players who kneel.

No sense adding from here. I've said my peace and I'm bowing out.

mark

Tabe

@DIMEMAN said:

Second - I think and hope you are wrong about the NFL does not care about Breast Cancer. I think the NFL showed how they care about others during the past disasters in Texas and Florida.

They don't care all that much about breast cancer. 8% of proceeds go to cancer research. 8%. It works out to just over $31,000 per team.

If they cared, they would have let Deangelo Williams wear pink all year to honor his mother, who died from breast cancer. If they cared, they wouldn't have fined Cam Heyward for wearing eye black to honor his dad, who died from brain cancer. And on and on.

https://www.si.com/thecauldron/2015/10/26/nfl-breast-cancer-month-deangelo-williams

Tabe

@DIMEMAN said:
Maybe everyone here and all the NFL players should read the NFL rule book pages A62 and A63. In short this rule states that all players must be on the sidelines before the NA starts and must be at attention with hand over heart and helmet in left hand with no talking during the NA. Failure could lead to fines and suspensions.

Hummmmm. Where is the Commish on this???!!!

It actually says "should" be standing, not "must". Specifically:

'During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition

keets

it is remarkable that we have a sitting President who does things like this, apparently by design, that divide the country he professes to want to make great --- again.

it is as equally remarkable that so many people refuse to acknowledge that America suffers deep, damaging racial problems.

the tenor of this thread and the direction in which it is headed highlight both points. although we hold different viewpoints on the topic, is it really worth damaging relationships and alienating each other??? Sporting events are supposed to be a relaxing pass-time for us all.

I think this thread should be deleted immediately before someone is banned. maybe the OP can remove it.

perkdog

@garnettstyle said:

Cool, but at least Trump loves his country unlike the last racist president who invited black lives matter and the criminal racist Al Sharpton to the White House.

Probably my all time favorite post here. Well said Garnett

keets

it's probably going to be hard for you to comprehend, but by definition(if you really care about the meanings of words) President Obama wasn't a racist and by his expressed beliefs he cannot be categorized as such.

JoeBanzai

I am surprised that the gutless (insert the word gutless here again about a million times) commissioner doesn't fine the players. Owners as well.

I am not a Randy Moss fan, but he was fined for PRETENDING to moon the Packer fans after scoring a TD in Green Bay. Packer fans are famous for REALLY mooning the Vikings as they arrive at the stadium. In this case I thought what Moss did was not worth mentioning, but it was funny.

These players (as Americans) have the right to peacefully protest, but it seems the rules state they should be standing for the NA. Failure to do so should result in fines and/or suspensions.

I wonder what Bud Grant would have done. When he took over the Vikings coaching job, he had the players spend the first two days practicing standing respectfully for the NA.

I am very happy that none of the Vikings players knelt yesterday. I don't see a reason to lock arms either to show whatever they wanted to show.

An actor can choose to change the lines he says in a movie if he wants to protest something the character says, but he might be replaced.

PLEASE! Can't we show some respect for a long standing tradition?

dallasactuary

@baseball said:
What kind of gibberish are you trying to spew? MLK had the lives of thousands of people in his hands. People were violently beat up following him into protests. He KNEW this was going to happen and still had to bear the heavy heart of following through with his protests. So "others" definitely bore the consequences of his actions and he knew they would. You think the entire nation or anything close to it was in favor of MLK's protests at the time. I'm sure the vast majority of the South was completely disgusted with him as it was going on. It's only with a lot of time and perspective that you can appreciate the actions of protesters, if their cause was worthy.

OK, you obviously didn't understand what I wrote. When I say "others", I mean people who aren't participating in the protests. Those who followed MLK weren't "others", they were protesters like he was. They all understood that they might get beaten or jailed for participating, but they did so anyway, out of moral conviction. God bless them all.

In the case of the kneelers, if they were protesting out of moral conviction they would understand that it might cost them playing time, their current job and future employment opportunities. They would not whine and falsely claim some Constitutional right to protest without consequences from those who sign their paychecks. MLK and his followers took time off from their jobs to stage their protests where the conditions they were protesting were actually occurring; in doing so, they risked their own jobs as well as any consequences they might face from the targets of their protest. The kneelers, 100% to the contrary, have chosen their own job sites, the sites that have made them all millionaires amid the total absence of the conditions that they are protesting, to hold their protest. And they expect the people who have treated them so well that they are now millionaires to bear all of the consequences of these protests. They are contemptible.

I hope this is clear enough now, because I am unlikely to try again.

keets

it seems the rules state they should be standing for the NA. Failure to do so should result in fines and/or suspensions.

though I haven't read the rules/contract and don't really care to, it seems the operative in all this is "Should" which doesn't equate to will --- or --- must.

I hope this is clear enough now, because I am unlikely to try again.

thank you for that gesture, I hate being lectured about morality.

JoeBanzai

@keets said:
it's probably going to be hard for you to comprehend, but by definition(if you really care about the meanings of words) President Obama wasn't a racist and by his expressed beliefs he cannot be categorized as such.

His expressed beliefs do not seem to match his actions/behavior. You could probably say that about many (most, all?) of us.

JoeBanzai

@Tabe said:

@DIMEMAN said:
Maybe everyone here and all the NFL players should read the NFL rule book pages A62 and A63. In short this rule states that all players must be on the sidelines before the NA starts and must be at attention with hand over heart and helmet in left hand with no talking during the NA. Failure could lead to fines and suspensions.

Hummmmm. Where is the Commish on this???!!!

It actually says "should" be standing, not "must". Specifically:

'During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition

Good catch there Mr. Tabe.

Even if it says "should", I believe the coaches or owners or commissioner need to warn, then fine then suspend players that don't follow this "should".

electrode

Canada is a repectable country.