@Kudbegud said:
Milk Spots are a long standing problem that PCGS has spent countless hours and serious money trying to determine the cause and remedy. They have investigated things beyond standard thinking. No conclusions have been reached by many experts.
This. It's never been proven that oxidation has been the problem.
Of the dozens of ASE I have in slabs from ATS, none exhibit any white spots. (Knock on wood.) If it was plain oxidation and/or surface contamination, I would expect to see them. Further, unless all the mints use the same source of blanks, the spotting problem wouldn't be seen across different world mints.
I wonder if PCGS ever did a survey to find out if spotting was regional...
@jmlanzaf said:
Does anyone know if anyone has done any nitrogen atmosphere studies of silver eagles? [Hmmm...I could actually do it myself. But first, we google.]
you mean the stuff that 78% of the earth's atmosphere is made of?
I think that is yes, for a couple of mellinia or more
LOL. What I meant was whether anyone stored them under PURE Nitrogen. The Nitrogen in the atmosphere is inert to metals. It's typically oxygen, sulfur or other more reactive gases that cause discoloration. If you store a silver coin in a nitrogen atmosphere it will never tone. IF IF IF (again, I don't think anyone knows) the milk spots form in similar fashion, they shouldn't form in a nitrogen atmosphere either.
Nitrogen flooding won't get the oxygen out of the slabs unless you're gonna play pressure games to try to flush the slabs. Sonic sealing isn't air tight, but it's not a screen door, either.
You might try oxygen absorbers, though. They won't get all the contaminants out, but it will pull some of the air inside the slabs out. You wouldn't have to have access to a nitrogen tank, either.
Of course, now you're going to need a sealed environment for your slabs. That's the big problem...
Milk spots NOT on NGC coins.....sounds like some folks agree with that. I "think" I have seen 1 NGC slabbed SAE with a milk spot. Not sure if I still have it or not, as it has been a handful of years. Common SAE (aren't they pretty much all ) and I didn't slab it, so I don't know if it was there when it was slabbed, or developed later.
Milk spot ONLY on PCGS slabbed SAEs. Disagree. I have seen it on RAW SAEs that have NEVER been slabbed.
Could be environment, could be something in the minting process (some impurity), could be a combo and/or something else.
As stated, no one has come out and announced a clear and precise reasoning for it, nor a solution that is guaranteed to remove them. Best anyone has seemed to come up with was Russ, and maybe some others, to take them, upon receipt raw, and immediately rinse them and then properly dry them.
@jmlanzaf said:
Does anyone know if anyone has done any nitrogen atmosphere studies of silver eagles? [Hmmm...I could actually do it myself. But first, we google.]
you mean the stuff that 78% of the earth's atmosphere is made of?
I think that is yes, for a couple of mellinia or more
LOL. What I meant was whether anyone stored them under PURE Nitrogen. The Nitrogen in the atmosphere is inert to metals. It's typically oxygen, sulfur or other more reactive gases that cause discoloration. If you store a silver coin in a nitrogen atmosphere it will never tone. IF IF IF (again, I don't think anyone knows) the milk spots form in similar fashion, they shouldn't form in a nitrogen atmosphere either.
Nitrogen flooding won't get the oxygen out of the slabs unless you're gonna play pressure games to try to flush the slabs. Sonic sealing isn't air tight, but it's not a screen door, either.
You might try oxygen absorbers, though. They won't get all the contaminants out, but it will pull some of the air inside the slabs out. You wouldn't have to have access to a nitrogen tank, either.
Of course, now you're going to need a sealed environment for your slabs. That's the big problem...
Actually, you can easily eliminate all air if they were sealed in an nitrogen glove box by PCGS. In terms of the test, I wouldn't use slabs, I would use raw coins and put some in a pure nitrogen environment and leave the others in the air. You leave them at 80 degrees C for a couple weeks to accelerate any oxidation and compare notes.
@Kudbegud said:
Milk Spots are a long standing problem that PCGS has spent countless hours and serious money trying to determine the cause and remedy. They have investigated things beyond standard thinking. No conclusions have been reached by many experts.
Agreed. But if the anecdotal observation that NGC slabs have less milk spotting is true, it does potentially have implications beyond the milk spots. That was the only point I was trying to make before someone felt the need to call me ignorant again. LOL. I need to learn to just ignore those people, but it was a long week at work.
@Gluggo said:
Thank you I learned a-lot about Milk Spots I hope I never experience this.
Kind of inevitable for a lot of modern silver products (eagles, maple leafs). Personally, I don't mind them on bullion coins. Pretty distracting on a proof sometimes. There are some pretty ugly Canadian silver dollars out there.
@Gluggo said:
Thank you I learned a-lot about Milk Spots I hope I never experience this.
The easiest way to check for mint spots, and coins just shipped from the mint can have them, is to hold the coin nearly vertical and look down it. Do this in natural ambient light Is all it takes.
I guess we need to store our coins in a satellite revolving around the earth, floating in space, no chance of milk spotting there.....unless it's the holder....wait, are these coin slabs BPA free?? Hmmmmm....
I guess we need to store our coins in a satellite revolving around the earth, floating in space, no chance of milk spotting there.....unless it's the holder....wait, are these coin slabs BPA free?? Hmmmmm....
It's definitely not the holder because raw coins milk spot also. [Although I'm sure you were kidding...]
@mustangmanbob said:
Is this topic on the 225th set or...?
That's been my thinking, for a while now, as well!
+1
Ironically, pretty much every post on here has been related at least tangentially to these sets...except the comments complaining about other people's posts....
On a more coppery note, there's another thread here complaining about an EU cent in an SP70 holder that has what appears to be a discoloration spot. Given that most discoloration is "natural" toning, shouldn't a 70 be allowed to have a toning spot or 2?
Yes, just kidding, I really don't think there's a problem with the holders. I'm going to have to examine my EU sets again, thought I noticed some discoloration on one coin. Anybody have a good photo of a bad milk spot?
@mustangmanbob said:
Is this topic on the 225th set or...?
That's been my thinking, for a while now, as well!
+1
Ironically, pretty much every post on here has been related at least tangentially to these sets...except the comments complaining about other people's posts....
I'm in the EU camp 100%.
Enjoy reading every day, however I do feel a discussion of milk spots
should be a separate thread.
Just my opinion....
~HABE FIDUCIAM IN DOMINO III V VI / III XVI~ POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
Getting back to the original topic.
I'm now in for another 10 sets.
That makes 30 total.
I do think they have potential. Even if they are a 1 year type set.
Somewhat better than a Mint Set, as those coins can be obtained from circulation,
but NOT as cool as a polished Proof Set.
The semi-polished & frosted parts of the coin make them a "hybrid" coin set.
I think the collectors of Mint & Proof Sets will want this "hybrid" set in their collection.
It seems the runaways are the Lincoln & the Kennedy, as those are widely collected.
The demand for those 2 coins will from the set will make the value rise.
On top of the speculated mintage of less then 200k due to returns.
I do see this being a $75 valued set.
Some may call them widgets as they are NOT silver or gold, just clad.
But everyone will try to obtain those low mintage coins.
Let jump ahead 5 years to 2022 and see what those original flippers will think.
"D'oh, I should have held onto those 1000 sets I bought at ANA".
A new thread on milk spots is a good idea. I was only concerned with spots on the EU sets anyway. It's a normal reaction anyway when you see one---EUUUUU!!! Spots, scratches, damages, some complained about oil, but I thought I read somewhere that most of these sets are really perfect. Chris called them a Hybrid....I love that! My big question is how many more EU coins will the mint make? If it's too much work to produce them, maybe they'll be making them only on special occasions. These could be the last EU coins ever produced. Reminds me of the RP coins. There really aren't too many of those either. The other fancy Mint trick is that edge lettering. Seems like they use that technology way too much, I much prefer a reeded edge. Will we see an Enhanced Reverse Proof with edged lettering?
@mustangmanbob said:
Is this topic on the 225th set or...?
That's been my thinking, for a while now, as well!
+1
Ironically, pretty much every post on here has been related at least tangentially to these sets...except the comments complaining about other people's posts....
I'm in the EU camp 100%.
Enjoy reading every day, however I do feel a discussion of milk spots
should be a separate thread.
Just my opinion....
True, except it wasn't really about milk spots. It was about whether NGC or PCGS slabs are better for the long term storage of the EU coins.
@Onastone said:
A new thread on milk spots is a good idea. I was only concerned with spots on the EU sets anyway. It's a normal reaction anyway when you see one---EUUUUU!!! Spots, scratches, damages, some complained about oil, but I thought I read somewhere that most of these sets are really perfect. Chris called them a Hybrid....I love that! My big question is how many more EU coins will the mint make? If it's too much work to produce them, maybe they'll be making them only on special occasions. These could be the last EU coins ever produced. Reminds me of the RP coins. There really aren't too many of those either. The other fancy Mint trick is that edge lettering. Seems like they use that technology way too much, I much prefer a reeded edge. Will we see an Enhanced Reverse Proof with edged lettering?
I think these coins are "More perfect" than normal because of the sandblasted effect of the fields. On a normal proof ore even an unc, one little mark in the field would be noticeable. On these coins, a little mark would get lost in the textured field.
The Mint finally came up with a perfect way to hide handling errors!!!
Maybe they should ship them in sand-blasted cardboard boxes...LOL...or given their fulfillment centers crazy packaging, sand-blasted titanium
@aus3000tin said:
Getting back to the original topic.
I'm now in for another 10 sets.
That makes 30 total.
I do think they have potential. Even if they are a 1 year type set.
Somewhat better than a Mint Set, as those coins can be obtained from circulation,
but NOT as cool as a polished Proof Set.
The semi-polished & frosted parts of the coin make them a "hybrid" coin set.
I think the collectors of Mint & Proof Sets will want this "hybrid" set in their collection.
It seems the runaways are the Lincoln & the Kennedy, as those are widely collected.
The demand for those 2 coins will from the set will make the value rise.
On top of the speculated mintage of less then 200k due to returns.
I do see this being a $75 valued set.
Some may call them widgets as they are NOT silver or gold, just clad.
But everyone will try to obtain those low mintage coins.
Let jump ahead 5 years to 2022 and see what those original flippers will think.
"D'oh, I should have held onto those 1000 sets I bought at ANA".
Well, that's my 2 cents.
Chris
I, of course, agree.
I'm really not sure what the obsession with the base metal nature of these sets is. How many people collect coin series and how many people just collect silver coins from the mint?
Consider the sales numbers of different set versions for the last year with nearly complete sales - 2016s are still selling:
2015 Silver proof set - 387,311
2015 Mint set - 314,029
2015 UNC quarters only - 28,740
2015 proof set - 662,854
2015 quarter proof set - 99,466
2015 quarter silver proof - 103,311
There's no bias for the silver sets over the unc sets. The largest sales, by far, are for the BASE METAL proof set. The silver proof set is second but at little over half the base metal set and only 20% more than the BASE METAL MINT SET!!! Quarters to Quarters, the sales are nearly identical (99k to 103k).
I'm sure the price difference is a major factor.
But the issue here is that it is a unique finish. You can, and people are trying to, ignore the set all together. But, in my ever humble opinion, you would have MORE people ignoring a $50-$60 silver EU set than ignoring the $30 base metal set. You either want to own the set or not. You either want the individual coins in your album or not.
@aus3000tin said:
Getting back to the original topic.
I'm now in for another 10 sets.
That makes 30 total.
I do think they have potential. Even if they are a 1 year type set.
Somewhat better than a Mint Set, as those coins can be obtained from circulation,
but NOT as cool as a polished Proof Set.
The semi-polished & frosted parts of the coin make them a "hybrid" coin set.
I think the collectors of Mint & Proof Sets will want this "hybrid" set in their collection.
It seems the runaways are the Lincoln & the Kennedy, as those are widely collected.
The demand for those 2 coins will from the set will make the value rise.
On top of the speculated mintage of less then 200k due to returns.
I do see this being a $75 valued set.
Some may call them widgets as they are NOT silver or gold, just clad.
But everyone will try to obtain those low mintage coins.
Let jump ahead 5 years to 2022 and see what those original flippers will think.
"D'oh, I should have held onto those 1000 sets I bought at ANA".
Well, that's my 2 cents.
Chris
By the way, 2017 sales to date:
Annual Sets 17RG 2017 PROOF SET 352078 09/04/2017
Annual Sets 17RH 2017 SILVER PROOF SET 224299 09/04/2017
Annual Sets 17RJ 2017 UNC SET 200491 09/04/2017
Special Collectibles 17XC 2017 225TH ANN ENHANCED UNC SET 189816 09/04/2017
You still have more UNC sets sold than EU sets and waaaay more proof sets. This represents either:
1. Market indifference
2. Lack of full market awareness
I think a lot of casual collector's see "enhanced uncirculated" and think "satin finish". The pictures don't really show the unusual nature of the coin's finish.
Again, just my two cents...if I had 27.93 more I'd buy another EU set!
I noticed no one has compared these to the 2005 to I think 2010 satin finish sets. I recall alot of similar dicussions on those. Like if collectors are going to include them in sets, will they make slots in the coin collecting books, etc
@CoinCrazyPA said:
I noticed no one has compared these to the 2005 to I think 2010 satin finish sets. I recall alot of similar dicussions on those. Like if collectors are going to include them in sets, will they make slots in the coin collecting books, etc
The satin finish sets were P and D, same as the coins made for circulation. The 2017 enhanced sets are S mint, which aren't.
yeah, the mint said the satin finish was going to be a different type finish, which in reality, they looked the same as past years, no SP surface. the ploy worked for the mint, the 2005 mint sets sold out in 6 weeks
@CoinCrazyPA said:
I noticed no one has compared these to the 2005 to I think 2010 satin finish sets. I recall alot of similar dicussions on those. Like if collectors are going to include them in sets, will they make slots in the coin collecting books, etc
The "satin finish" is too similar to the regular finish. Given the existence of P, D business strikes that look the same, I imagine collectors opted for those.
I'd also point out that the mintage of the satin finish sets is closer to a million.
@dbldie55 said:
None of my Dansco's have a place for them. I picked up a few sets on the first day and picked up some PCGS graded coins for my registry sets.
My Dansco does not have a place for the S mint quarters (Business strikes), and they have been out for a few years now, thus I have none of them.
Yes, I agree that is potentially an issue. But for people buying new albums 2 years from now, will they have a place for the EU coins? That would really push the price...
They have a single only page, a p&d page, a p&d plus proofs page and I see this satin an added page for the S mint coins once they are done. Good thing they held off, perhaps this is 1 more hole to add.
Well, of course you're right, but I'm hoping the mint just wants to bury this set before the next 225th product comes out next month.
On the other hand, should the Mint not have another relatively cheap inexpensive product for Christmas, it might make sense to fulfill the 225K...
I was joking as I hope they just call it. Is there a Mercy Rule in coin collecting?
I have enough EU pennies to grade and I'd rather the mintage as low as possible.
@BackroadJunkie said:
I did the math. 8 days left @ 550sets/day.
If I can get in with less than 100 sets left, I'll buy another 2. Then I'll have two first strike eligible sets, and 2 last strike eligible sets.
As soon as you buy the last 2 - 25,000 will be made available....just saying..
This may be true. there was that mystery -23k decrease in sold sets. There has not been a resolution of this discrepancy. There could be 23k on backorder and we are listening to the cumulative sales statistics.
@BackroadJunkie said:
I did the math. 8 days left @ 550sets/day.
If I can get in with less than 100 sets left, I'll buy another 2. Then I'll have two first strike eligible sets, and 2 last strike eligible sets.
As soon as you buy the last 2 - 25,000 will be made available....just saying..
This may be true. there was that mystery -23k decrease in sold sets. There has not been a resolution of this discrepancy. There could be 23k on backorder and we are listening to the cumulative sales statistics.
I really hope this is a fever dream of yours. "Wake up son, it's only a nightmare. It's not real."
I'm still thinking that the Mint is going to nix a vast majority of the allegedly damaged and returned sets...resulting in a sub 200,000 final mintage.
They don't want to keep playing ping pong with potentially damaged coins/sets. And recertifying that they're suitable for resale is labor intensive.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it...or until we find out differently when the Mint balances the books for 2017.
What do they do with the damaged sets? Have some mint employee remove each coin, remelt and recycle the plastic and paper? Dumpster out back? Give out Christmas bonuses in change? Salvation Army kettle?
@thevolcanogod said:
What do they do with the damaged sets? Have some mint employee remove each coin, remelt and recycle the plastic and paper? Dumpster out back? Give out Christmas bonuses in change? Salvation Army kettle?
Interesting, valid question. If they waffle them to trash them AFTER they remove them from the boxes and holders, it is almost as much work to take them out of circulation as it would be to rehab them and reship them. No wonder they lose money on these things.
Comments
This. It's never been proven that oxidation has been the problem.
Of the dozens of ASE I have in slabs from ATS, none exhibit any white spots. (Knock on wood.) If it was plain oxidation and/or surface contamination, I would expect to see them. Further, unless all the mints use the same source of blanks, the spotting problem wouldn't be seen across different world mints.
I wonder if PCGS ever did a survey to find out if spotting was regional...
Nitrogen flooding won't get the oxygen out of the slabs unless you're gonna play pressure games to try to flush the slabs. Sonic sealing isn't air tight, but it's not a screen door, either.
You might try oxygen absorbers, though. They won't get all the contaminants out, but it will pull some of the air inside the slabs out. You wouldn't have to have access to a nitrogen tank, either.
Of course, now you're going to need a sealed environment for your slabs. That's the big problem...
Could be environment, could be something in the minting process (some impurity), could be a combo and/or something else.
As stated, no one has come out and announced a clear and precise reasoning for it, nor a solution that is guaranteed to remove them. Best anyone has seemed to come up with was Russ, and maybe some others, to take them, upon receipt raw, and immediately rinse them and then properly dry them.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Actually, you can easily eliminate all air if they were sealed in an nitrogen glove box by PCGS. In terms of the test, I wouldn't use slabs, I would use raw coins and put some in a pure nitrogen environment and leave the others in the air. You leave them at 80 degrees C for a couple weeks to accelerate any oxidation and compare notes.
Agreed. But if the anecdotal observation that NGC slabs have less milk spotting is true, it does potentially have implications beyond the milk spots. That was the only point I was trying to make before someone felt the need to call me ignorant again. LOL. I need to learn to just ignore those people, but it was a long week at work.
That's been my thinking, for a while now, as well!
Thank you I learned a-lot about Milk Spots I hope I never experience this.
Talked to a dealer friend of mine today. His bulk rate from PCGS is $5 per coin for moderns. He thinks the special label would be another $2 per coin.
Kind of inevitable for a lot of modern silver products (eagles, maple leafs). Personally, I don't mind them on bullion coins. Pretty distracting on a proof sometimes. There are some pretty ugly Canadian silver dollars out there.
I'm learning a lot from the dairy section of this thread.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
The easiest way to check for mint spots, and coins just shipped from the mint can have them, is to hold the coin nearly vertical and look down it. Do this in natural ambient light Is all it takes.
+1
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
I guess we need to store our coins in a satellite revolving around the earth, floating in space, no chance of milk spotting there.....unless it's the holder....wait, are these coin slabs BPA free?? Hmmmmm....
It's> @Onastone said:
It's definitely not the holder because raw coins milk spot also. [Although I'm sure you were kidding...]
Ironically, pretty much every post on here has been related at least tangentially to these sets...except the comments complaining about other people's posts....
On a more coppery note, there's another thread here complaining about an EU cent in an SP70 holder that has what appears to be a discoloration spot. Given that most discoloration is "natural" toning, shouldn't a 70 be allowed to have a toning spot or 2?
Yes, just kidding, I really don't think there's a problem with the holders. I'm going to have to examine my EU sets again, thought I noticed some discoloration on one coin. Anybody have a good photo of a bad milk spot?
I'm in the EU camp 100%.
Enjoy reading every day, however I do feel a discussion of milk spots
should be a separate thread.
Just my opinion....
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
I agree start a new thread for spots,
Successful Trades: Swampboy,
Getting back to the original topic.
I'm now in for another 10 sets.
That makes 30 total.
I do think they have potential. Even if they are a 1 year type set.
Somewhat better than a Mint Set, as those coins can be obtained from circulation,
but NOT as cool as a polished Proof Set.
The semi-polished & frosted parts of the coin make them a "hybrid" coin set.
I think the collectors of Mint & Proof Sets will want this "hybrid" set in their collection.
It seems the runaways are the Lincoln & the Kennedy, as those are widely collected.
The demand for those 2 coins will from the set will make the value rise.
On top of the speculated mintage of less then 200k due to returns.
I do see this being a $75 valued set.
Some may call them widgets as they are NOT silver or gold, just clad.
But everyone will try to obtain those low mintage coins.
Let jump ahead 5 years to 2022 and see what those original flippers will think.
"D'oh, I should have held onto those 1000 sets I bought at ANA".
Well, that's my 2 cents.
Chris
I purchased many, many as a tax writeoff.
A new thread on milk spots is a good idea. I was only concerned with spots on the EU sets anyway. It's a normal reaction anyway when you see one---EUUUUU!!! Spots, scratches, damages, some complained about oil, but I thought I read somewhere that most of these sets are really perfect. Chris called them a Hybrid....I love that! My big question is how many more EU coins will the mint make? If it's too much work to produce them, maybe they'll be making them only on special occasions. These could be the last EU coins ever produced. Reminds me of the RP coins. There really aren't too many of those either. The other fancy Mint trick is that edge lettering. Seems like they use that technology way too much, I much prefer a reeded edge. Will we see an Enhanced Reverse Proof with edged lettering?
True, except it wasn't really about milk spots. It was about whether NGC or PCGS slabs are better for the long term storage of the EU coins.
I think these coins are "More perfect" than normal because of the sandblasted effect of the fields. On a normal proof ore even an unc, one little mark in the field would be noticeable. On these coins, a little mark would get lost in the textured field.
The Mint finally came up with a perfect way to hide handling errors!!!
Maybe they should ship them in sand-blasted cardboard boxes...LOL...or given their fulfillment centers crazy packaging, sand-blasted titanium
I, of course, agree.
I'm really not sure what the obsession with the base metal nature of these sets is. How many people collect coin series and how many people just collect silver coins from the mint?
Consider the sales numbers of different set versions for the last year with nearly complete sales - 2016s are still selling:
2015 Silver proof set - 387,311
2015 Mint set - 314,029
2015 UNC quarters only - 28,740
2015 proof set - 662,854
2015 quarter proof set - 99,466
2015 quarter silver proof - 103,311
There's no bias for the silver sets over the unc sets. The largest sales, by far, are for the BASE METAL proof set. The silver proof set is second but at little over half the base metal set and only 20% more than the BASE METAL MINT SET!!! Quarters to Quarters, the sales are nearly identical (99k to 103k).
I'm sure the price difference is a major factor.
But the issue here is that it is a unique finish. You can, and people are trying to, ignore the set all together. But, in my ever humble opinion, you would have MORE people ignoring a $50-$60 silver EU set than ignoring the $30 base metal set. You either want to own the set or not. You either want the individual coins in your album or not.
By the way, 2017 sales to date:
Annual Sets 17RG 2017 PROOF SET 352078 09/04/2017
Annual Sets 17RH 2017 SILVER PROOF SET 224299 09/04/2017
Annual Sets 17RJ 2017 UNC SET 200491 09/04/2017
Special Collectibles 17XC 2017 225TH ANN ENHANCED UNC SET 189816 09/04/2017
You still have more UNC sets sold than EU sets and waaaay more proof sets. This represents either:
1. Market indifference
2. Lack of full market awareness
I think a lot of casual collector's see "enhanced uncirculated" and think "satin finish". The pictures don't really show the unusual nature of the coin's finish.
Again, just my two cents...if I had 27.93 more I'd buy another EU set!
I noticed no one has compared these to the 2005 to I think 2010 satin finish sets. I recall alot of similar dicussions on those. Like if collectors are going to include them in sets, will they make slots in the coin collecting books, etc
Successful Trades: Swampboy,
The satin finish sets were P and D, same as the coins made for circulation. The 2017 enhanced sets are S mint, which aren't.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
yeah, the mint said the satin finish was going to be a different type finish, which in reality, they looked the same as past years, no SP surface. the ploy worked for the mint, the 2005 mint sets sold out in 6 weeks
The "satin finish" is too similar to the regular finish. Given the existence of P, D business strikes that look the same, I imagine collectors opted for those.
I'd also point out that the mintage of the satin finish sets is closer to a million.
None of my Dansco's have a place for them. I picked up a few sets on the first day and picked up some PCGS graded coins for my registry sets.
My Dansco does not have a place for the S mint quarters (Business strikes), and they have been out for a few years now, thus I have none of them.
Used this album for my Statehood an ATB Quarter sets.
I was able to set up any way I wanted.
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
Yes, I agree that is potentially an issue. But for people buying new albums 2 years from now, will they have a place for the EU coins? That would really push the price...
http://www.danscoalbumstore.com/national-park-quarters-20162021-wproofs-dansco-album-8147-p-8750.html?osCsid=9e69f4c5d85373061ec9ee97dfc7038c
They have a single only page, a p&d page, a p&d plus proofs page and I see this satin an added page for the S mint coins once they are done. Good thing they held off, perhaps this is 1 more hole to add.
I did the math. 8 days left @ 550sets/day.
If I can get in with less than 100 sets left, I'll buy another 2. Then I'll have two first strike eligible sets, and 2 last strike eligible sets.
As soon as you buy the last 2 - 25,000 will be made available....just saying..
Don't quote me on that.
Well, of course you're right, but I'm hoping the mint just wants to bury this set before the next 225th product comes out next month.
On the other hand, should the Mint not have another relatively cheap inexpensive product for Christmas, it might make sense to fulfill the 225K...
I was joking as I hope they just call it. Is there a Mercy Rule in coin collecting?
I have enough EU pennies to grade and I'd rather the mintage as low as possible.
Don't quote me on that.
We gamers are being gamed.
This may be true. there was that mystery -23k decrease in sold sets. There has not been a resolution of this discrepancy. There could be 23k on backorder and we are listening to the cumulative sales statistics.
I really hope this is a fever dream of yours. "Wake up son, it's only a nightmare. It's not real."
I'm still thinking that the Mint is going to nix a vast majority of the allegedly damaged and returned sets...resulting in a sub 200,000 final mintage.
They don't want to keep playing ping pong with potentially damaged coins/sets. And recertifying that they're suitable for resale is labor intensive.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it...or until we find out differently when the Mint balances the books for 2017.
Math agrees with you
What do they do with the damaged sets? Have some mint employee remove each coin, remelt and recycle the plastic and paper? Dumpster out back? Give out Christmas bonuses in change? Salvation Army kettle?
LOL. That's my fear...all though I predict it'll be a month after they go "unavailable" again.
Interesting, valid question. If they waffle them to trash them AFTER they remove them from the boxes and holders, it is almost as much work to take them out of circulation as it would be to rehab them and reship them. No wonder they lose money on these things.
they didn't lose money on them in the past.
I am shocked they lose money on them now, and extremely shocked it was at net -50% in FY2016