Espn is reporting that poll results just released say that CK is the most disliked player in the nfl. Seems like his little protest is not very effective. Instead of getting people to discuss his issue, he made such a disrespectful move and people are discussing that instead.
You can't stay on topic, you respond to nothing and when someone says something you don't agree with you tend to insult them. How very open minded of you. you bring very very little to the conversation
This situation doesn't seem to fit the narrative, black cop kills another black man. City erupts and video hasn't even been released showing what happened. Makes total sense. People just want to protest and get violent
This situation doesn't seem to fit the narrative, black cop kills another black man. City erupts and video hasn't even been released showing what happened. Makes total sense. People just want to protest loot and get violent
This thread reveals that sports talk forumites do have interests and opinions beyond the playing field and their favorite team/sport.
Engaging in a little "reductio absurdum" here causes me to ponder the following:
If every caucasian on the earth died and/or simply vanished in the next 5 minutes; and if all of the assets and income of every such caucasian were distributed in equal shares to every other person remaining on the earth:
a. would racism cease to exist?;
b. would social injustice cease to exist?;
c. would poverty cease to exist?;
d. would crime and violence cease to exist?;
e. would sufferring cease to exist; and
f. would there finally be peace on earth?
Same questions under the scenario where all police in the USA (and the world) and all USA military (and the world) die and/or simply vanish in the next 5 minutes.
This thread reveals that sports talk forumites do have interests and opinions beyond the playing field and their favorite team/sport.
Engaging in a little "reductio absurdum" here causes me to ponder the following:
If every caucasian on the earth died and/or simply vanished in the next 5 minutes; and if all of the assets and income of every such caucasian were distributed in equal shares to every other person remaining on the earth:
a. would racism cease to exist?;
b. would social injustice cease to exist?;
c. would poverty cease to exist?;
d. would crime and violence cease to exist?;
e. would sufferring cease to exist; and
f. would there finally be peace on earth?
Same questions under the scenario where all police in the USA (and the world) and all USA military (and the world) die and/or simply vanish in the next 5 minutes.
What say you fellow sports talk forumites?
Fascinating questions. The answer to all 6 is no. It is a follow the money thing. Most things in history are. Like I have been saying throughout this thread, the real root problem here is not racism, it is poverty and socio-economic status.
Look at all the social upheaval in Europe during the middle ages. most of Europe was of the same "race" yet from the fall of Rome for the next 1500 or so years, there was almost constant social upheaval. This was due to a great extent to poverty and a distinct lack of possibility of upward social mobility. People were "stuck" socially. But not because of race.
While there have always been racist people, but that is just not the root of this current problem. Part of the issue is there is a very active and powerful race industry in America led by the reverends Sharpton and Jackson etc that have a lot of power, influence and money to loose if the race baiting were to stop. (Ever wonder where these "reverends" churches are located? Don't look too long, they are reverends in name only) so again, follow the money.
And as far as your last question, it would take less than 48 hours for the nation to be in chaos without military police. It never takes long for anarchy to take hold when there is no authority.
This thread reveals that sports talk forumites do have interests and opinions beyond the playing field and their favorite team/sport.
Engaging in a little "reductio absurdum" here causes me to ponder the following:
If every caucasian on the earth died and/or simply vanished in the next 5 minutes; and if all of the assets and income of every such caucasian were distributed in equal shares to every other person remaining on the earth:
a. would racism cease to exist?;
b. would social injustice cease to exist?;
c. would poverty cease to exist?;
d. would crime and violence cease to exist?;
e. would sufferring cease to exist; and
f. would there finally be peace on earth?
Same questions under the scenario where all police in the USA (and the world) and all USA military (and the world) die and/or simply vanish in the next 5 minutes.
What say you fellow sports talk forumites?
Another good example is what happened in europe after the black death of the mid 14th century. Estimates have upwards of 50% of the population died in a 3 year period. For those who survived, there werr vast amounts of land and wealth ripe for the taking. Well, what happened? The same thing that always happens. Small factions turn into larger factions (look at the warlords in the modern middle east) and within no time, you have a few haves and many have nots and lots of disaffected people. Little to do with race, lots to do with money. Or really, the lack thereof
Blaming Sharpton and Jackson for the "race problem" and asserting that they have vast amounts of power and money is such a delusional idea. Did you read the headlines about Wells Fargo creating millions of phony credit card accounts without their customers knowledge? 5,300 low level employees lost their jobs, while the head of the division, Carrie Tolstedt, is walking away with $124 million in stock and options when she retires. Poverty doesn't happen because the money magically disappears, it happens when the rich steal the money in the form of fraud and corruption, and controlling the political system in order to pay virtually nothing in taxes.
Blaming Sharpton and Jackson for the "race problem" and asserting that they have vast amounts of power and money is such a delusional idea. Did you read the headlines about Wells Fargo creating millions of phony credit card accounts without their customers knowledge? 5,300 low level employees lost their jobs, while the head of the division, Carrie Tolstedt, is walking away with $124 million in stock and options when she retires. Poverty doesn't happen because the money magically disappears, it happens when the rich steal the money in the form of fraud and corruption, and controlling the political system in order to pay virtually nothing in taxes.
The race problem, in large part, is a result of "leadership" like the " reverends" Sharpton and Jackson and others. They are the race baiters who are whipping up frenzies. If you don't see this, you are blind.
Look at Charlotte for example. Rioting and looting. We don't even know what happened yet. The deceased could have been shot wrongly or it may have been a good shoot. We don't know yet. Still, the city gets looted and rioting ensues. That tells me that people just want to participate in violence.
Charlotte doesn't even come close to CK's narrative either. Black man shot by a black cop who is part of a department led by a black commander.
Here's an analogy that addresses sanction's questions. If you eat healthy foods, abstain from smoking and drink in moderation and exercise regularly, you're still going to die. However, the quality of your life will be better while you're alive, and you'll most likely live longer than those who don't adopt a healthy lifestyle. So no, poverty, racism and all the other social ills that impact the lives of Americans will still exist, as they do in all developed countries. But there are countries that are doing a better job of managing these problems than we are, and they aren't as wealthy as us, they just utilize their resources better.
If the problem is not racism and instead is "economics" and an unequal distribution of money and resources then let's discuss that.
What economic system provides the general population with the best opportunity to advance and prosper?
Free market capitalism and a society where an individual has the "liberty" (aka freedom) to use his or her talents and abilities to succeed, advance and thrive.
Personal responsibility, self sufficiency, the opportunity to work hard and be the best you can be. Competition and the drive to be the best. Not everyone can be the best of the best, but you can be the best you can be. If you succeed, kudos to you and you deserve ALL of the rewards that come with your hard work. You keep the fruits of your labor.
Of course, there are limits on what is and what is not proper conduct in the free market. The limits are set by morality, personal and business ethics and by laws. If you violate same and operate outside of what is permissible then you should be penalized.
Free market capitalism created the high standard of living enjoyed by the USA and other countries today.
Other economic systems do not work as well and free market capitalism and do not provide the greatest number of persons the highest standard of living.
When I reread the above I transmute same from economics to "SPORTS".
How similar Sports are to free market capitalism.
If Le Bron James spends 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year from age 6 through age 37 (when he may retire) working on his body, working on his game and becoming the absolute best basketball player EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, more power to him. Hope he makes a TRILLION dollars in the marketplace. Why you ask? I answer, Why not? He worked hard for it and he deserves it.
If other persons who are not as good or as dedicated as Le Bron James get upset that he and not they are having success (at his or any level), should these other persons be able to complain, whine, stomp around and claim to the world how UNFAIR it is that they do not have what LBJ has!!!!. They have the right to complain, etc. But their complaints fall on deaf ears. Instead of complaining, they should dig deep, suck it up, get some backbone, find what they are good at and what the love. They should then throw themselves into their chosen field and kick but as best as they can. Reap their own rewards, take care of themselves, take care of their families and live well. Do not complain that others have it better than you. Go after and achieve your own success.
Now if instead of economics being the problem, racism is the problem (manifesting itself through the shooting and killing of blacks by the police), there is no doubt racism that exists in the USA and the world. Racists exist in every country on earth and in every ethnic group. Whites can be and are racist. So can and are non whites. Police can be absolutely vile and scummy. Police can also be the very best of humans. If police step over the line and injure or kill anyone (regardless of color, etc.) the police officers, the police dept. and the city should be taken to task with bad publicity, civil lawsuits and criminal charges. However, if someone is causing trouble and is approached by the police, causing more trouble and resisting the police is stupid. You are asking to be injured or killed.
If the problem is not racism and instead is "economics" and an unequal distribution of money and resources then let's discuss that.
What economic system provides the general population with the best opportunity to advance and prosper?
Free market capitalism and a society where an individual has the "liberty" (aka freedom) to use his or her talents and abilities to succeed, advance and thrive.
Personal responsibility, self sufficiency, the opportunity to work hard and be the best you can be. Competition and the drive to be the best. Not everyone can be the best of the best, but you can be the best you can be. If you succeed, kudos to you and you deserve ALL of the rewards that come with your hard work. You keep the fruits of your labor.
Of course, there are limits on what is and what is not proper conduct in the free market. The limits are set by morality, personal and business ethics and by laws. If you violate same and operate outside of what is permissible then you should be penalized.
Free market capitalism created the high standard of living enjoyed by the USA and other countries today.
Other economic systems do not work as well and free market capitalism and do not provide the greatest number of persons the highest standard of living.
When I reread the above I transmute same from economics to "SPORTS".
How similar Sports are to free market capitalism.
If Le Bron James spends 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year from age 6 through age 37 (when he may retire) working on his body, working on his game and becoming the absolute best basketball player EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, more power to him. Hope he makes a TRILLION dollars in the marketplace. Why you ask? I answer, Why not? He worked hard for it and he deserves it.
If other persons who are not as good or as dedicated as Le Bron James get upset that he and not they are having success (at his or any level), should these other persons be able to complain, whine, stomp around and claim to the world how UNFAIR it is that they do not have what LBJ has!!!!. They have the right to complain, etc. But their complaints fall on deaf ears. Instead of complaining, they should dig deep, suck it up, get some backbone, find what they are good at and what the love. They should then throw themselves into their chosen field and kick but as best as they can. Reap their own rewards, take care of themselves, take care of their families and live well. Do not complain that others have it better than you. Go after and achieve your own success.
Now if instead of economics being the problem, racism is the problem (manifesting itself through the shooting and killing of blacks by the police), there is no doubt racism that exists in the USA and the world. Racists exist in every country on earth and in every ethnic group. Whites can be and are racist. So can and are non whites. Police can be absolutely vile and scummy. Police can also be the very best of humans. If police step over the line and injure or kill anyone (regardless of color, etc.) the police officers, the police dept. and the city should be taken to task with bad publicity, civil lawsuits and criminal charges. However, if someone is causing trouble and is approached by the police, causing more trouble and resisting the police is stupid. You are asking to be injured or killed.
I will step off my soap box now.
Was this your term paper? If so I give it an A+...........nice job whilst on the soap box
mark
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
If the problem is not racism and instead is "economics" and an unequal distribution of money and resources then let's discuss that.
What economic system provides the general population with the best opportunity to advance and prosper?
Free market capitalism and a society where an individual has the "liberty" (aka freedom) to use his or her talents and abilities to succeed, advance and thrive.
Personal responsibility, self sufficiency, the opportunity to work hard and be the best you can be. Competition and the drive to be the best. Not everyone can be the best of the best, but you can be the best you can be. If you succeed, kudos to you and you deserve ALL of the rewards that come with your hard work. You keep the fruits of your labor.
Of course, there are limits on what is and what is not proper conduct in the free market. The limits are set by morality, personal and business ethics and by laws. If you violate same and operate outside of what is permissible then you should be penalized.
Free market capitalism created the high standard of living enjoyed by the USA and other countries today.
Other economic systems do not work as well and free market capitalism and do not provide the greatest number of persons the highest standard of living.
When I reread the above I transmute same from economics to "SPORTS".
How similar Sports are to free market capitalism.
If Le Bron James spends 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year from age 6 through age 37 (when he may retire) working on his body, working on his game and becoming the absolute best basketball player EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, more power to him. Hope he makes a TRILLION dollars in the marketplace. Why you ask? I answer, Why not? He worked hard for it and he deserves it.
If other persons who are not as good or as dedicated as Le Bron James get upset that he and not they are having success (at his or any level), should these other persons be able to complain, whine, stomp around and claim to the world how UNFAIR it is that they do not have what LBJ has!!!!. They have the right to complain, etc. But their complaints fall on deaf ears. Instead of complaining, they should dig deep, suck it up, get some backbone, find what they are good at and what the love. They should then throw themselves into their chosen field and kick but as best as they can. Reap their own rewards, take care of themselves, take care of their families and live well. Do not complain that others have it better than you. Go after and achieve your own success.
Now if instead of economics being the problem, racism is the problem (manifesting itself through the shooting and killing of blacks by the police), there is no doubt racism that exists in the USA and the world. Racists exist in every country on earth and in every ethnic group. Whites can be and are racist. So can and are non whites. Police can be absolutely vile and scummy. Police can also be the very best of humans. If police step over the line and injure or kill anyone (regardless of color, etc.) the police officers, the police dept. and the city should be taken to task with bad publicity, civil lawsuits and criminal charges. However, if someone is causing trouble and is approached by the police, causing more trouble and resisting the police is stupid. You are asking to be injured or killed.
Highly unlikely, as the majority of Americans rely on the NFL to provide their entertainment, as well as their gambling fix, for at least five months out of the year.
If even 10-20% actually decided to stop watching/buying merchandise, it would be a huge hit.
Maybe you underestimate the veracity of people's beliefs. it's not just the people who support CK's little protest who have strongly held beliefs. If the degenerate gamblers need their fix, college football is still played on Saturdays.
It is disgusting what is happening in this and other countries. From within and from outside the borders of the USA an effort is being made to limit individual freedom, liberty, self sufficiency, success, independence, etc. All political parties, government at all levels, large businesses in the private sector and others with real or imagined power and influence seek to maintain and increase their power, influence and station in life by imposing limits on the freedoms of the general population. The goal is touted as equality. Equality for the masses means everyone one is equally miserable, except for our betters, who by virtue of their station are more equal than those countless others who do not occupy the same station in life they do.
This trend towards limiting the liberty and freedom of the individual has been ongoing for decades and generations. Whether it will stop, slow down or speed up only time will tell.
In the meantime enjoy each day and be the best you can be.
Look at Charlotte for example. Rioting and looting. We don't even know what happened yet. The deceased could have been shot wrongly or it may have been a good shoot. We don't know yet. Still, the city gets looted and rioting ensues. That tells me that people just want to participate in violence.
That's actually a fair point. Consider 1994 and Rodney King. Videotaped beating, very OBVIOUSLY a crime by the police. Nothing happens - until the acquittals. How different from Charlotte where the rioting starts before anything is even known.
So the Charlotte dude who was killed by the cops had a gun
mark
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
So the Charlotte dude who was killed by the cops had a gun
mark
Seems like getting shot is an occupational hazard of presenting a gun in the presence of police.
Not one thing racist about it . The cop needs to go home at night. In the heat of the moment, obey the cop. Everything else can be worked out later. It is very simple. Many people, however, would rather resist or not comply In The heat of the moment because they feel they are "right"
Again, in this instance, it appears there was no racial motivation, people just want an excuse to be violent and loot.
If these guys think the US is such a terrible racist country...then show me a country that does it right. One that has roughly the same standards of living/freedom as the US and is not racist/sexist/anything-ist. If the US is doing it so wrong, show me who is doing it right.
And now apparently kids and/or HS and such level football players are now jumping on the "no standing for the anthem" bandwagon And that's what it is to them, a trendy fad
To the vets here, I think your sacrifices are very commendable and the nation should be grateful for you contributions. But to claim ownership over another person's right to protest, regardless of whether you agree with them or not, is not at all appropriate. The sacrifices you made were precisely so that Kap or anyone else could and should protest anything if they felt so compelled. If you don't get that, then it's you folks that should find another country to live in because such rights are the FOUNDATION of this country.
And while your sacrifices are indeed noteworthy, let's not forget the sacrifices of millions of slaves that help build this country, or all of the Chinese immigrants brought over to help build the nation's infrastructure, or the millions of Indians that were slaughtered for their lands. What about those sacrifices?
EVERYONE has a right to protest. It is the VERY VERY FIRST CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT that the founding fathers thought to create as the backbone of what America would and should become. This thread is absolutely ridiculous in it's volume of so many "Americans" who don't seem to get that.
I don't think anyone said CK should not protest. I say protest away, but don't do it in a disrespectful way. If you are hurting/disrespectful to other people, you should find a different way to voice your displeasure. That is just common decency. Look at how distracting CK's form of protest has been. As many people are talking about his disrespect of the flag as are talking about the race issue. Not a particularly effective protest.
And now apparently kids and/or HS and such level football players are now jumping on the "no standing for the anthem" bandwagon And that's what it is to them, a trendy fad
You got it. Kids will emulate what they think is "cool" CK is getting lots of attention for his little protest so it was only a matter of time before young people latch on. Like a new pair of sneakers.
I don't think anyone said CK should not protest. I say protest away, but don't do it in a disrespectful way. If you are hurting/disrespectful to other people, you should find a different way to voice your displeasure. That is just common decency. Look at how distracting CK's form of protest has been. As many people are talking about his disrespect of the flag as are talking about the race issue. Not a particularly effective protest.
I'm sure that Martin Luther King's protests were "distracting" and "disrespectful" to tens of millions of "Americans". WAY MORE so than anything Kap has engaged in or started. "Disrespect" merely comes down to which side of the fence one chooses to be on.
He's not hurting or being disrespectful to anyone. That any would allow themselves to feel disrespected or hurt is merely their own shortcomings in not recognizing a fellow American citizen to exercise his inalienable rights.
I'm sure that some find Muslim attire much more disrespectful and hurtful because of the reminders of 9/11, but that doesn't mean that a Muslim should have to alter a lifetime's worth of their cultural identity and how they want to live to accommodate others. At least NOT in the United States of America.
Wrong. MLK used peaceful protests. He did not disrespect his country or flag. He made speeches in a respectful way.
You are basically saying, I think, that everyone decides for themselves what is disrespectful? If that is the case, there would be no standards left and everyone could do or say whatever with total disregard to others.
So, to extrapolate your argument, if there is a person in America who thinks it is not disrespectful to walk around protesting with iron crosses and swastikas that would be perfectly ok? What about burning flags of other countries in protest? How about burning American flags? Destroying stars of David? What about burning crosses on people's lawns, would that be acceptable if someone was on "the side of the fence" where those actions are considered acceptable? I don't think so. And neither is CK's little protest done in good taste either.
Again, I believe he has the right to perform his little protest, but I don't think he should. It is disrespectful to MANY and not done in good taste.
Can you explain why flag burning is not ok, but sitting/kneeling during the anthem is acceptable? Both are purposeful actions of disrespect against the flag. Why is one disrespectful and one not? This is not a matter of degree, but one of right or wrong.
Based on your own explicit declarations, I realize that you see the world through only black and white, right or wrong, Coke or Pepsi. But as I've stated, actions and viewpoints in the real world, lie on a spectrum.
So I take it you do not believe in absolute truth? You know that would be a very slippery slope.
And you refused to answer the question. Why is flag burning disrespectful, but sitting/kneeling during the anthem not disrespectful.
Flag burning pollutes the environment, and has the potential to start an even bigger fire. Sitting or kneeling during the National Anthem does no such thing.
Flag burning pollutes the environment, and has the potential to start an even bigger fire. Sitting or kneeling during the National Anthem does no such thing.
Oh. My. Gosh.
Another insightful, thought provoking post by psasap
Originally posted by: craig44 And you refused to answer the question. Why is flag burning disrespectful, but sitting/kneeling during the anthem not disrespectful.
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George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Yes, among Caucasians, Kaepernick's unpopularity is rising. Is that really news?
Nope, poll said representative sample. That is unless the pollsters are part of the conspiracy.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Ernest Goes To School, but Ernest learns nothing.
You can't stay on topic, you respond to nothing and when someone says something you don't agree with you tend to insult them. How very open minded of you. you bring very very little to the conversation
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
How incredibly self-centered you are to think this is about you. It's not, so get over yourself.
What in the world are you talking about. I was simply listing a few of your attributes. How was my comment all about me?
Reading comprehension sir, you really need to work on that
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
How incredibly self-centered you are to think this is about you. It's not, so get over yourself.
Craig said it best, "racist people project meaning into his actions."
So, to some people, Kaepernick is disrespecting them personally, but to others it is a very peacefully and effective protest.
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." Dr. Seuss
It's getting ugly in Charlotte.
Definitely the most effective way to have a protest is to vandalize your own city. Makes total sense there.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
This situation doesn't seem to fit the narrative, black cop kills another black man. City erupts and video hasn't even been released showing what happened. Makes total sense. People just want to protest loot and get violent
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
What a brave hero. This post is meant to be dripping with sarcasm.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Engaging in a little "reductio absurdum" here causes me to ponder the following:
If every caucasian on the earth died and/or simply vanished in the next 5 minutes; and if all of the assets and income of every such caucasian were distributed in equal shares to every other person remaining on the earth:
a. would racism cease to exist?;
b. would social injustice cease to exist?;
c. would poverty cease to exist?;
d. would crime and violence cease to exist?;
e. would sufferring cease to exist; and
f. would there finally be peace on earth?
Same questions under the scenario where all police in the USA (and the world) and all USA military (and the world) die and/or simply vanish in the next 5 minutes.
What say you fellow sports talk forumites?
This thread reveals that sports talk forumites do have interests and opinions beyond the playing field and their favorite team/sport.
Engaging in a little "reductio absurdum" here causes me to ponder the following:
If every caucasian on the earth died and/or simply vanished in the next 5 minutes; and if all of the assets and income of every such caucasian were distributed in equal shares to every other person remaining on the earth:
a. would racism cease to exist?;
b. would social injustice cease to exist?;
c. would poverty cease to exist?;
d. would crime and violence cease to exist?;
e. would sufferring cease to exist; and
f. would there finally be peace on earth?
Same questions under the scenario where all police in the USA (and the world) and all USA military (and the world) die and/or simply vanish in the next 5 minutes.
What say you fellow sports talk forumites?
Fascinating questions. The answer to all 6 is no. It is a follow the money thing. Most things in history are. Like I have been saying throughout this thread, the real root problem here is not racism, it is poverty and socio-economic status.
Look at all the social upheaval in Europe during the middle ages. most of Europe was of the same "race" yet from the fall of Rome for the next 1500 or so years, there was almost constant social upheaval. This was due to a great extent to poverty and a distinct lack of possibility of upward social mobility. People were "stuck" socially. But not because of race.
While there have always been racist people, but that is just not the root of this current problem. Part of the issue is there is a very active and powerful race industry in America led by the reverends Sharpton and Jackson etc that have a lot of power, influence and money to loose if the race baiting were to stop. (Ever wonder where these "reverends" churches are located? Don't look too long, they are reverends in name only) so again, follow the money.
And as far as your last question, it would take less than 48 hours for the nation to be in chaos without military police. It never takes long for anarchy to take hold when there is no authority.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
This thread reveals that sports talk forumites do have interests and opinions beyond the playing field and their favorite team/sport.
Engaging in a little "reductio absurdum" here causes me to ponder the following:
If every caucasian on the earth died and/or simply vanished in the next 5 minutes; and if all of the assets and income of every such caucasian were distributed in equal shares to every other person remaining on the earth:
a. would racism cease to exist?;
b. would social injustice cease to exist?;
c. would poverty cease to exist?;
d. would crime and violence cease to exist?;
e. would sufferring cease to exist; and
f. would there finally be peace on earth?
Same questions under the scenario where all police in the USA (and the world) and all USA military (and the world) die and/or simply vanish in the next 5 minutes.
What say you fellow sports talk forumites?
Another good example is what happened in europe after the black death of the mid 14th century. Estimates have upwards of 50% of the population died in a 3 year period. For those who survived, there werr vast amounts of land and wealth ripe for the taking. Well, what happened? The same thing that always happens. Small factions turn into larger factions (look at the warlords in the modern middle east) and within no time, you have a few haves and many have nots and lots of disaffected people. Little to do with race, lots to do with money. Or really, the lack thereof
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Blaming Sharpton and Jackson for the "race problem" and asserting that they have vast amounts of power and money is such a delusional idea. Did you read the headlines about Wells Fargo creating millions of phony credit card accounts without their customers knowledge? 5,300 low level employees lost their jobs, while the head of the division, Carrie Tolstedt, is walking away with $124 million in stock and options when she retires. Poverty doesn't happen because the money magically disappears, it happens when the rich steal the money in the form of fraud and corruption, and controlling the political system in order to pay virtually nothing in taxes.
The race problem, in large part, is a result of "leadership" like the " reverends" Sharpton and Jackson and others. They are the race baiters who are whipping up frenzies. If you don't see this, you are blind.
Look at Charlotte for example. Rioting and looting. We don't even know what happened yet. The deceased could have been shot wrongly or it may have been a good shoot. We don't know yet. Still, the city gets looted and rioting ensues. That tells me that people just want to participate in violence.
Charlotte doesn't even come close to CK's narrative either. Black man shot by a black cop who is part of a department led by a black commander.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
What economic system provides the general population with the best opportunity to advance and prosper?
Free market capitalism and a society where an individual has the "liberty" (aka freedom) to use his or her talents and abilities to succeed, advance and thrive.
Personal responsibility, self sufficiency, the opportunity to work hard and be the best you can be. Competition and the drive to be the best. Not everyone can be the best of the best, but you can be the best you can be. If you succeed, kudos to you and you deserve ALL of the rewards that come with your hard work. You keep the fruits of your labor.
Of course, there are limits on what is and what is not proper conduct in the free market. The limits are set by morality, personal and business ethics and by laws. If you violate same and operate outside of what is permissible then you should be penalized.
Free market capitalism created the high standard of living enjoyed by the USA and other countries today.
Other economic systems do not work as well and free market capitalism and do not provide the greatest number of persons the highest standard of living.
When I reread the above I transmute same from economics to "SPORTS".
How similar Sports are to free market capitalism.
If Le Bron James spends 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year from age 6 through age 37 (when he may retire) working on his body, working on his game and becoming the absolute best basketball player EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, more power to him. Hope he makes a TRILLION dollars in the marketplace. Why you ask? I answer, Why not? He worked hard for it and he deserves it.
If other persons who are not as good or as dedicated as Le Bron James get upset that he and not they are having success (at his or any level), should these other persons be able to complain, whine, stomp around and claim to the world how UNFAIR it is that they do not have what LBJ has!!!!. They have the right to complain, etc. But their complaints fall on deaf ears. Instead of complaining, they should dig deep, suck it up, get some backbone, find what they are good at and what the love. They should then throw themselves into their chosen field and kick but as best as they can. Reap their own rewards, take care of themselves, take care of their families and live well. Do not complain that others have it better than you. Go after and achieve your own success.
Now if instead of economics being the problem, racism is the problem (manifesting itself through the shooting and killing of blacks by the police), there is no doubt racism that exists in the USA and the world. Racists exist in every country on earth and in every ethnic group. Whites can be and are racist. So can and are non whites. Police can be absolutely vile and scummy. Police can also be the very best of humans. If police step over the line and injure or kill anyone (regardless of color, etc.) the police officers, the police dept. and the city should be taken to task with bad publicity, civil lawsuits and criminal charges. However, if someone is causing trouble and is approached by the police, causing more trouble and resisting the police is stupid. You are asking to be injured or killed.
I will step off my soap box now.
If the problem is not racism and instead is "economics" and an unequal distribution of money and resources then let's discuss that.
What economic system provides the general population with the best opportunity to advance and prosper?
Free market capitalism and a society where an individual has the "liberty" (aka freedom) to use his or her talents and abilities to succeed, advance and thrive.
Personal responsibility, self sufficiency, the opportunity to work hard and be the best you can be. Competition and the drive to be the best. Not everyone can be the best of the best, but you can be the best you can be. If you succeed, kudos to you and you deserve ALL of the rewards that come with your hard work. You keep the fruits of your labor.
Of course, there are limits on what is and what is not proper conduct in the free market. The limits are set by morality, personal and business ethics and by laws. If you violate same and operate outside of what is permissible then you should be penalized.
Free market capitalism created the high standard of living enjoyed by the USA and other countries today.
Other economic systems do not work as well and free market capitalism and do not provide the greatest number of persons the highest standard of living.
When I reread the above I transmute same from economics to "SPORTS".
How similar Sports are to free market capitalism.
If Le Bron James spends 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year from age 6 through age 37 (when he may retire) working on his body, working on his game and becoming the absolute best basketball player EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, more power to him. Hope he makes a TRILLION dollars in the marketplace. Why you ask? I answer, Why not? He worked hard for it and he deserves it.
If other persons who are not as good or as dedicated as Le Bron James get upset that he and not they are having success (at his or any level), should these other persons be able to complain, whine, stomp around and claim to the world how UNFAIR it is that they do not have what LBJ has!!!!. They have the right to complain, etc. But their complaints fall on deaf ears. Instead of complaining, they should dig deep, suck it up, get some backbone, find what they are good at and what the love. They should then throw themselves into their chosen field and kick but as best as they can. Reap their own rewards, take care of themselves, take care of their families and live well. Do not complain that others have it better than you. Go after and achieve your own success.
Now if instead of economics being the problem, racism is the problem (manifesting itself through the shooting and killing of blacks by the police), there is no doubt racism that exists in the USA and the world. Racists exist in every country on earth and in every ethnic group. Whites can be and are racist. So can and are non whites. Police can be absolutely vile and scummy. Police can also be the very best of humans. If police step over the line and injure or kill anyone (regardless of color, etc.) the police officers, the police dept. and the city should be taken to task with bad publicity, civil lawsuits and criminal charges. However, if someone is causing trouble and is approached by the police, causing more trouble and resisting the police is stupid. You are asking to be injured or killed.
I will step off my soap box now.
Was this your term paper? If so I give it an A+...........nice job whilst on the soap box
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
If the problem is not racism and instead is "economics" and an unequal distribution of money and resources then let's discuss that.
What economic system provides the general population with the best opportunity to advance and prosper?
Free market capitalism and a society where an individual has the "liberty" (aka freedom) to use his or her talents and abilities to succeed, advance and thrive.
Personal responsibility, self sufficiency, the opportunity to work hard and be the best you can be. Competition and the drive to be the best. Not everyone can be the best of the best, but you can be the best you can be. If you succeed, kudos to you and you deserve ALL of the rewards that come with your hard work. You keep the fruits of your labor.
Of course, there are limits on what is and what is not proper conduct in the free market. The limits are set by morality, personal and business ethics and by laws. If you violate same and operate outside of what is permissible then you should be penalized.
Free market capitalism created the high standard of living enjoyed by the USA and other countries today.
Other economic systems do not work as well and free market capitalism and do not provide the greatest number of persons the highest standard of living.
When I reread the above I transmute same from economics to "SPORTS".
How similar Sports are to free market capitalism.
If Le Bron James spends 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year from age 6 through age 37 (when he may retire) working on his body, working on his game and becoming the absolute best basketball player EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, more power to him. Hope he makes a TRILLION dollars in the marketplace. Why you ask? I answer, Why not? He worked hard for it and he deserves it.
If other persons who are not as good or as dedicated as Le Bron James get upset that he and not they are having success (at his or any level), should these other persons be able to complain, whine, stomp around and claim to the world how UNFAIR it is that they do not have what LBJ has!!!!. They have the right to complain, etc. But their complaints fall on deaf ears. Instead of complaining, they should dig deep, suck it up, get some backbone, find what they are good at and what the love. They should then throw themselves into their chosen field and kick but as best as they can. Reap their own rewards, take care of themselves, take care of their families and live well. Do not complain that others have it better than you. Go after and achieve your own success.
Now if instead of economics being the problem, racism is the problem (manifesting itself through the shooting and killing of blacks by the police), there is no doubt racism that exists in the USA and the world. Racists exist in every country on earth and in every ethnic group. Whites can be and are racist. So can and are non whites. Police can be absolutely vile and scummy. Police can also be the very best of humans. If police step over the line and injure or kill anyone (regardless of color, etc.) the police officers, the police dept. and the city should be taken to task with bad publicity, civil lawsuits and criminal charges. However, if someone is causing trouble and is approached by the police, causing more trouble and resisting the police is stupid. You are asking to be injured or killed.
I will step off my soap box now.
+1,000,000
The best post on the entire thread.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
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Makes you wonder if the commissioner would step in if it came close to that number
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Maybe you underestimate the veracity of people's beliefs. it's not just the people who support CK's little protest who have strongly held beliefs. If the degenerate gamblers need their fix, college football is still played on Saturdays.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
This trend towards limiting the liberty and freedom of the individual has been ongoing for decades and generations. Whether it will stop, slow down or speed up only time will tell.
In the meantime enjoy each day and be the best you can be.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Look at Charlotte for example. Rioting and looting. We don't even know what happened yet. The deceased could have been shot wrongly or it may have been a good shoot. We don't know yet. Still, the city gets looted and rioting ensues. That tells me that people just want to participate in violence.
That's actually a fair point. Consider 1994 and Rodney King. Videotaped beating, very OBVIOUSLY a crime by the police. Nothing happens - until the acquittals. How different from Charlotte where the rioting starts before anything is even known.
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
So the Charlotte dude who was killed by the cops had a gun
mark
Seems like getting shot is an occupational hazard of presenting a gun in the presence of police.
Not one thing racist about it . The cop needs to go home at night. In the heat of the moment, obey the cop. Everything else can be worked out later. It is very simple. Many people, however, would rather resist or not comply In The heat of the moment because they feel they are "right"
Again, in this instance, it appears there was no racial motivation, people just want an excuse to be violent and loot.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Mike ditka said in an interview that he has no respect for CK
Ditka is a douchebag .He gave the TD runs to that fat turd Perry instead of Walter Payton , that was a disgrace.
He can shove his respect where the sun don't shine.
Mike ditka said in an interview that he has no respect for CK
Ditka is a douchebag .He gave the TD runs to that fat turd Perry instead of Walter Payton , that was a disgrace.
He can shove his respect where the sun don't shine.
Tell us what you really think about that Perry TD in the SB!
Mike ditka said in an interview that he has no respect for CK
Ditka is a douchebag .He gave the TD runs to that fat turd Perry instead of Walter Payton , that was a disgrace.
He can shove his respect where the sun don't shine.
Tell us what you really think about that Perry TD in the SB!
I'm a Pats fan too. I was watching that game in my Berry the Bears T shirt , I didn't think there was much hope we could win though
Dimes: 54S, 53P, 50P, 49S, 45D+S, 44S, 43D, 41S, 40D+S, 39D+S, 38D+S, 37D+S, 36S, 35D+S, all 16-34's
Quarters: 52S, 47S, 46S, 40S, 39S, 38S, 37D+S, 36D+S, 35D, 34D, 32D+S
74 Topps: 37,38,46,47,48,138,151,193,210,214,223,241,256,264,268,277,289,316,435,552,570,577,592,602,610,654,655
1997 Finest silver: 115, 135, 139, 145, 310
1995 Ultra Gold Medallion Sets: Golden Prospects, HR Kings, On-Base Leaders, Power Plus, RBI Kings, Rising Stars
Dimes: 54S, 53P, 50P, 49S, 45D+S, 44S, 43D, 41S, 40D+S, 39D+S, 38D+S, 37D+S, 36S, 35D+S, all 16-34's
Quarters: 52S, 47S, 46S, 40S, 39S, 38S, 37D+S, 36D+S, 35D, 34D, 32D+S
74 Topps: 37,38,46,47,48,138,151,193,210,214,223,241,256,264,268,277,289,316,435,552,570,577,592,602,610,654,655
1997 Finest silver: 115, 135, 139, 145, 310
1995 Ultra Gold Medallion Sets: Golden Prospects, HR Kings, On-Base Leaders, Power Plus, RBI Kings, Rising Stars
Personally I think Gregg Popovich, as he so often does, articulates the entire situation most eloquently and correctly:
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/s...g-the-national-anthem/
To the vets here, I think your sacrifices are very commendable and the nation should be grateful for you contributions. But to claim ownership over another person's right to protest, regardless of whether you agree with them or not, is not at all appropriate. The sacrifices you made were precisely so that Kap or anyone else could and should protest anything if they felt so compelled. If you don't get that, then it's you folks that should find another country to live in because such rights are the FOUNDATION of this country.
And while your sacrifices are indeed noteworthy, let's not forget the sacrifices of millions of slaves that help build this country, or all of the Chinese immigrants brought over to help build the nation's infrastructure, or the millions of Indians that were slaughtered for their lands. What about those sacrifices?
EVERYONE has a right to protest. It is the VERY VERY FIRST CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT that the founding fathers thought to create as the backbone of what America would and should become. This thread is absolutely ridiculous in it's volume of so many "Americans" who don't seem to get that.
I don't think anyone said CK should not protest. I say protest away, but don't do it in a disrespectful way. If you are hurting/disrespectful to other people, you should find a different way to voice your displeasure. That is just common decency. Look at how distracting CK's form of protest has been. As many people are talking about his disrespect of the flag as are talking about the race issue. Not a particularly effective protest.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
And now apparently kids and/or HS and such level football players are now jumping on the "no standing for the anthem" bandwagon
You got it. Kids will emulate what they think is "cool" CK is getting lots of attention for his little protest so it was only a matter of time before young people latch on. Like a new pair of sneakers.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I don't think anyone said CK should not protest. I say protest away, but don't do it in a disrespectful way. If you are hurting/disrespectful to other people, you should find a different way to voice your displeasure. That is just common decency. Look at how distracting CK's form of protest has been. As many people are talking about his disrespect of the flag as are talking about the race issue. Not a particularly effective protest.
I'm sure that Martin Luther King's protests were "distracting" and "disrespectful" to tens of millions of "Americans". WAY MORE so than anything Kap has engaged in or started. "Disrespect" merely comes down to which side of the fence one chooses to be on.
He's not hurting or being disrespectful to anyone. That any would allow themselves to feel disrespected or hurt is merely their own shortcomings in not recognizing a fellow American citizen to exercise his inalienable rights.
I'm sure that some find Muslim attire much more disrespectful and hurtful because of the reminders of 9/11, but that doesn't mean that a Muslim should have to alter a lifetime's worth of their cultural identity and how they want to live to accommodate others. At least NOT in the United States of America.
Wrong. MLK used peaceful protests. He did not disrespect his country or flag. He made speeches in a respectful way.
You are basically saying, I think, that everyone decides for themselves what is disrespectful? If that is the case, there would be no standards left and everyone could do or say whatever with total disregard to others.
So, to extrapolate your argument, if there is a person in America who thinks it is not disrespectful to walk around protesting with iron crosses and swastikas that would be perfectly ok? What about burning flags of other countries in protest? How about burning American flags? Destroying stars of David? What about burning crosses on people's lawns, would that be acceptable if someone was on "the side of the fence" where those actions are considered acceptable? I don't think so. And neither is CK's little protest done in good taste either.
Again, I believe he has the right to perform his little protest, but I don't think he should. It is disrespectful to MANY and not done in good taste.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
craig44,
Based on your own explicit declarations, I realize that you see the world through only black and white, right or wrong, Coke or Pepsi. But as I've stated, actions and viewpoints in the real world, lie on a spectrum.
So I take it you do not believe in absolute truth? You know that would be a very slippery slope.
And you refused to answer the question. Why is flag burning disrespectful, but sitting/kneeling during the anthem not disrespectful.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Flag burning pollutes the environment, and has the potential to start an even bigger fire. Sitting or kneeling during the National Anthem does no such thing.
Oh. My. Gosh.
Another insightful, thought provoking post by psasap
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In other news , heroin is now the same as chewing gum .
Murdering an unarmed man is much more disrespectful than sitting during the anthem.
And you refused to answer the question. Why is flag burning disrespectful, but sitting/kneeling during the anthem not disrespectful.
Disrespectful to what/who?
You have never answered this.
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." Dr. Seuss