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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: craig44

    Originally posted by: Justacommeman

    Originally posted by: craig44

    Tony Larussa has thrown his hat in the ring saying he questions CK's sincerity and wouldnt allow such actions on any of his team's. Good on him.




    Speaking of jerks.



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    Larussa. Class A jerk and cheater.



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  • JHS5120JHS5120 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: DIMEMAN
    Rather than bring all the quotes back up I will say this:

    Galaxy27 - Great post!!! If everyone had this attitude we would be headed in a great direction to fixing this problem.

    TNP777 - Those tweets you linked to were horrific!! I know this goes on and probably always will to some degree. People with those attitudes make me sick!

    I personally don't like Obama, but not because he is black. But because of what he has done as President. I won't go any further than that on that.


    It's not just Obama either (offensive language):

    Colin Kaepernick

    Leslie Jones

    Harriet Tubman

    Study finds 10,000 racist tweets each day

    These aren't even older men, these are teenagers and young adults. There is a huge problem in this country that really is not being addressed
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  • PSASAPPSASAP Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭
    Reading the ugly tweets and posts on message boards is really shocking. If I thought the racism and hatred was hardwired into people, I would say there is no hope for ever resolving our differences. However, I don't think racism is a permanent condition, and I also don't think that anybody who is truly happy and content with their lives would feel the need to express those thoughts. There are many among us who have seen their standard of living diminish over time, the level of comfort that allows them to focus on the positives has gone away. A natural reaction for some is to lash out at the most convenient targets, the ones who are struggling in similar ways. It's much more difficult and detrimental to one's security to question and attack those with more power, but the truth is that wealth disparity is at its highest point in history, and unless huge reforms are put in place that will make it illegal for the super wealthy to buy elections and enact laws in their favor, and to the harm of the population as a whole, the gap will continue to grow.
  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,393 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: PSASAP

    Reading the ugly tweets and posts on message boards is really shocking. If I thought the racism and hatred was hardwired into people, I would say there is no hope for ever resolving our differences. However, I don't think racism is a permanent condition, and I also don't think that anybody who is truly happy and content with their lives would feel the need to express those thoughts. There are many among us who have seen their standard of living diminish over time, the level of comfort that allows them to focus on the positives has gone away. A natural reaction for some is to lash out at the most convenient targets, the ones who are struggling in similar ways. It's much more difficult and detrimental to one's security to question and attack those with more power, but the truth is that wealth disparity is at its highest point in history, and unless huge reforms are put in place that will make it illegal for the super wealthy to buy elections and enact laws in their favor, and to the harm of the population as a whole, the gap will continue to grow.




    I agree. Racism is not hard wired into people. look at small children play. They don't care at all. It is certainly learned behavior and often learned over generations.

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  • PSASAPPSASAP Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭
    Another officer involved shooting of an unarmed black man, this one in Oklahoma:

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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,480 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: PSASAP

    Another officer involved shooting of an unarmed black man, this one in Oklahoma:



    link




    Two cops were also shot today in New Jersey while apprehending a suspect who planted explosive devices in NY and NJ over the weekend, injuring many people.



    In either case, neither story really belongs here on a Sports Talk message board.





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  • PSASAPPSASAP Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭
    I disagree. This is what Kaepernick is protesting, the shooting of unarmed citizens by the police. Unfortunately, some have made it an issue about whether or not he should stand for the National Anthem, when this is the real issue.
  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 9,964 ✭✭✭✭✭


    I don't think its fair to judge the level of racism on twitter . Most people on twitter are either idiots , narcissists , trolls and /or celebrities .

    Twitter is millions of Stephen A Smiths with their volume knobs set on 10
  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,393 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: bronco2078





    I don't think its fair to judge the level of racism on twitter . Most people on twitter are either idiots , narcissists , trolls and /or celebrities .



    Twitter is millions of Stephen A Smiths with their volume knobs set on 10




    Oh, Stephen A. Smith. Ugh.

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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,393 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: PSASAP

    I disagree. This is what Kaepernick is protesting, the shooting of unarmed citizens by the police. Unfortunately, some have made it an issue about whether or not he should stand for the National Anthem, when this is the real issue.




    No, CK has made an issue out of the anthem that wasn't there before. He actually has muddied the issue with the way he went about his little protest.

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  • PSASAPPSASAP Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭
    Oh, Stephen A. Smith. Ugh.

    More of an Ann Coulter fan, are you?
  • PSASAPPSASAP Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭
    And this guy isn't fanning the flames of hatred, is he:

    link
  • JHS5120JHS5120 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭
    Looks like the Miami PD needs to grow a thicker skin.

    Link
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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,393 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: PSASAP

    And this guy isn't fanning the flames of hatred, is he:



    link




    Not sure what you mean here. Not sure how he is fanning the flames of hatred here?

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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,393 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: PSASAP

    Oh, Stephen A. Smith. Ugh.



    More of an Ann Coulter fan, are you?




    Nope, don't like her either. A bit presumptuous of you no?

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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,393 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: JHS5120

    Looks like the Miami PD needs to grow a thicker skin.



    Link




    I disagree with the union heads take on the first amendment, but if players want to protest good cops along with the bad, let's see how they like having no cops to keep them safe. Let them buy their own private security.

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  • JHS5120JHS5120 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: craig44
    I disagree with the union heads take on the first amendment, but if players want to protest good cops along with the bad, let's see how they like having no cops to keep them safe. Let them buy their own private security.


    If a cop doesn't want to do his job because a little bit of criticism, then he probably shouldn't be a cop.
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  • JHS5120JHS5120 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭
    Wow, Colin Kaepernick has been receiving death threats: Link

    Reminds me of what Hank Aaron suffered. Terrorism and people who support terrorism like this should be ashamed.
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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,393 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: JHS5120

    Originally posted by: craig44

    I disagree with the union heads take on the first amendment, but if players want to protest good cops along with the bad, let's see how they like having no cops to keep them safe. Let them buy their own private security.




    If a cop doesn't want to do his job because a little bit of criticism, then he probably shouldn't be a cop.




    No, if these players who are protesting think cops are doing a bad job, why would they want their protection? It is easy to make these little protests when you know there are people protecting you. Would it be quite so easy if you are on your own our there with no one to watch your 6?

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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,393 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: JHS5120

    Wow, Colin Kaepernick has been receiving death threats: Link



    Reminds me of what Hank Aaron suffered. Terrorism and people who support terrorism like this should be ashamed.




    Yeah, CK's little protest is just like Aaron's situation. Very astute of you. Good grief.

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  • JHS5120JHS5120 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: craig44
    No, if these players who are protesting think cops are doing a bad job, why would they want their protection? It is easy to make these little protests when you know there are people protecting you. Would it be quite so easy if you are on your own our there with no one to watch your 6?


    "If you criticize a public service, you forfeit that public service." -craig44

    What an entirely un-American thought. Kudos.
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  • JHS5120JHS5120 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: craig44
    Originally posted by: JHS5120
    Wow, Colin Kaepernick has been receiving death threats: Link

    Reminds me of what Hank Aaron suffered. Terrorism and people who support terrorism like this should be ashamed.


    Yeah, CK's little protest is just like Aaron's situation. Very astute of you. Good grief.


    Getting barraged with death threats and the "n-word" in private and public? I would say it's very similar, I'm glad you agree.

    It can be an ugly country.

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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,393 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: JHS5120

    Originally posted by: craig44

    Originally posted by: JHS5120

    Wow, Colin Kaepernick has been receiving death threats: Link



    Reminds me of what Hank Aaron suffered. Terrorism and people who support terrorism like this should be ashamed.




    Yeah, CK's little protest is just like Aaron's situation. Very astute of you. Good grief.




    Getting barraged with death threats and the "n-word" in private and public? I would say it's very similar, I'm glad you agree.



    It can be an ugly country.







    CK chose this with his little protest. He didn't have to do what he did.



    Aaron did not disrespect anyone or anything with his actions. All he did was play ball.



    There is a HUGE grand canyon sized difference between the two.

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  • JHS5120JHS5120 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: craig44

    Aaron did not disrespect anyone or anything with his actions. All he did was play ball.



    I bet the man who wrote this letter thought Hank Aaron was disrespecting him, Babe Ruth and every other white American who ever lived.

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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,393 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: JHS5120

    Originally posted by: craig44



    Aaron did not disrespect anyone or anything with his actions. All he did was play ball.







    I bet the man who wrote this letter thought Hank Aaron was disrespecting him, Babe Ruth and every other white American who ever lived.



    Warning: strong language




    Did Aaron do anything other than play ball? If the answer is no, then he DID nothing to disrespect anyone. Racists may have disliked what was happening, but Aaron did nothing disrespectful.



    CK on the other hand did DO something disrespectful. He performed a narcissistic, self aggrandizing act.



    So yes, world's apart between the two.

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  • JHS5120JHS5120 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: craig44
    He performed a narcissistic, self aggrandizing act.


    The writer of that letter would probably say the same exact thing about Aaron.
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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,393 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Did Aaron do ANYTHING other than play baseball?

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  • JHS5120JHS5120 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: craig44
    Did Aaron do ANYTHING other than play baseball?


    Depends who you ask. I bet the person who wrote that letter felt that Aaron wasn't playing baseball, but staying with a bad team past his prime just to make some sort of statement.
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  • PSASAPPSASAP Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭
    Yes Virginia, Hank Aaron did more than just play baseball:
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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,393 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: PSASAP

    Yes Virginia, Hank Aaron did more than just play baseball:

    link




    What in the world does this article have to do with the question? When Aaron was an active player, chasing the home run record, did he do anything other than play baseball? Did he attempt any form of protest?



    The answer is no. World's of difference

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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,393 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: JHS5120

    Originally posted by: craig44

    Did Aaron do ANYTHING other than play baseball?




    Depends who you ask. I bet the person who wrote that letter felt that Aaron wasn't playing baseball, but staying with a bad team past his prime just to make some sort of statement.




    You are being obtuse. What I mean is did Aaron ever try a disrespectful little protest during his record breaking run, or did he just play ball? We both know the answer. The answer just doesn't suit your narrative

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  • JHS5120JHS5120 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: craig44

    You are being obtuse. What I mean is did Aaron ever try a disrespectful little protest during his record breaking run, or did he just play ball? We both know the answer. The answer just doesn't suit your narrative


    Well, to the most demented and racist Americans, Hank Aaron wasn't JUST playing baseball, he was making a symbolic and disrespectful gesture.

    Let me ask you something, is Colin Kaepernick just kneeling? Or is it of your opinion that he is making a symbolic and disrespectful gesture?
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  • PSASAPPSASAP Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭
    Jim Varney made a career out of playing a lovable idiot. David, you need to work on the lovable part.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,480 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: PSASAP

    Jim Varney made a career out of playing a lovable idiot. David, you need to work on the lovable part.




    Even if you disagree with his viewpoint, there's no need to personally insult the guy. Geez.



    I always find it rather ironic how intolerant those who espouse tolerance can be when the opinion expressed does not fit their perspective or preconceived notions.


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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,393 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: PSASAP

    Jim Varney made a career out of playing a lovable idiot. David, you need to work on the lovable part.




    Really? I think your true colors are coming out.

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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,393 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: JHS5120

    Originally posted by: craig44



    You are being obtuse. What I mean is did Aaron ever try a disrespectful little protest during his record breaking run, or did he just play ball? We both know the answer. The answer just doesn't suit your narrative




    Well, to the most demented and racist Americans, Hank Aaron wasn't JUST playing baseball, he was making a symbolic and disrespectful gesture.



    Let me ask you something, is Colin Kaepernick just kneeling? Or is it of your opinion that he is making a symbolic and disrespectful gesture?




    I'm not speaking to the most racist and demented Americans, I'm speaking to you.



    You refuse to address the topic because it doesn't fit your narrative. Of course Aaron and CK are worlds apart because they are totally different situations. CK chose his path, Aaron was forced on his .

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  • JHS5120JHS5120 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: craig44
    I'm not speaking to the most racist and demented Americans, I'm speaking to you.

    You refuse to address the topic because it doesn't fit your narrative. Of course Aaron and CK are worlds apart because they are totally different situations. CK chose his path, Aaron was forced on his .


    I have addressed the topic multiple times.

    To me, he was playing baseball. To most Americans today he was just playing baseball. But we're not talking about most Americans today. We're talking about Hank Aaron's critics. They're the thin-skinned racists who are getting their panties in a wad. To those people Hank Aaron was not just playing baseball. You know that.

    Is Colin Kaepernick just kneeling? To me, he is. I would venture to most Americans in 40 years he would be too. However, we're not talking about me, we're talking about his critics. So answer, he is just kneeling?
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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,393 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: JHS5120

    Originally posted by: craig44

    I'm not speaking to the most racist and demented Americans, I'm speaking to you.



    You refuse to address the topic because it doesn't fit your narrative. Of course Aaron and CK are worlds apart because they are totally different situations. CK chose his path, Aaron was forced on his .




    I have addressed the topic multiple times.



    To me, he was playing baseball. To most Americans today he was just playing baseball. But we're not talking about most Americans today. We're talking about Hank Aaron's critics. They're the thin-skinned racists who are getting their panties in a wad. To those people Hank Aaron was not just playing baseball. You know that.



    Is Colin Kaepernick just kneeling? To me, he is. I would venture to most Americans in 40 years he would be too. However, we're not talking about me, we're talking about his critics. So answer, he is just kneeling?




    Wrong again. CK has said publicly that this little publicity stunt of his is a form of protest. So, no, CK is NOT just innocently kneeling during the anthem. There is a reason or meaning in him kneeling.



    Aaron on the other hand had no protest behind what he was doing. He was playing a sport and racist people projected meaning onto his actions.



    Totally different .

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  • JHS5120JHS5120 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: craig44
    ...racist people projected meaning onto his actions.


    Exactly what I was trying to get at, thank you.

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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,393 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: JHS5120

    Originally posted by: craig44

    ...racist people projected meaning onto his actions.




    Exactly what I was trying to get at, thank you.



    Jason




    You are missing the point completely. CK announced that this is a protest. Aaron did no such thing.



    A totally and completely different situation. Really not an argument you can win.

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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭


    Really not an argument you can win.



    That has never stopped anyone on the sports forum before image



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  • Skin2Skin2 Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭
    It is good to have dialogue on matters such as these. There are no easy answers, and most of the answers are just one person's opinions. Facts are twisted, because all the variables are simply out of control or unaccounted for...so any of the facts put forth on either side can only hold so much weight. It isn't like in the VALID baseball measurements that clearly show Ichiro is actually closer to being the 1,200th best in hitter in history, as opposed to a top 100 as some ignorant fans claim.

    Other than that, carry on.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,359 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Skin2
    It is good to have dialogue on matters such as these. There are no easy answers, and most of the answers are just one person's opinions. Facts are twisted, because all the variables are simply out of control or unaccounted for...so any of the facts put forth on either side can only hold so much weight. It isn't like in the VALID baseball measurements that clearly show Ichiro is actually closer to being the 1,200th best in hitter in history, as opposed to a top 100 as some ignorant fans claim.

    Other than that, carry on.


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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,393 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Skin2

    It is good to have dialogue on matters such as these. There are no easy answers, and most of the answers are just one person's opinions. Facts are twisted, because all the variables are simply out of control or unaccounted for...so any of the facts put forth on either side can only hold so much weight. It isn't like in the VALID baseball measurements that clearly show Ichiro is actually closer to being the 1,200th best in hitter in history, as opposed to a top 100 as some ignorant fans claim.



    Other than that, carry on.




    You are so right about ichiro, but that is another can of worms

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  • PSASAPPSASAP Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭
    Jerry Rice finally came to his senses, and now supports Kaepernick:

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,359 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm still staying out of this battle worn thread but still think Kap is a disgrace.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,359 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm still staying out of this battle worn thread but still think Kap is a disgrace.
  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,393 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: PSASAP

    Jerry Rice finally came to his senses, and now supports Kaepernick:



    link




    Well, there you go an athlete caved to social pressure. Touching. the most interesting thing in that article is that the civil rights activist apparently does not believe all lives matter, only black lives. Doesn't sound like what a social activist should sound like now does it. I would guess it was people like that who "showed rice the light" to me it sounds racist and Malthusian. Scary.

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  • PSASAPPSASAP Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭
    As if Jerry Rice can't think for himself. The killings have not stopped, and the excuses and denials are becoming intolerable, even to the most politically disinclined individuals. The tipping point was when Michael Jordan got involved, and that was months ago.
  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,393 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: PSASAP

    As if Jerry Rice can't think for himself. The killings have not stopped, and the excuses and denials are becoming intolerable, even to the most politically disinclined individuals. The tipping point was when Michael Jordan got involved, and that was months ago.




    So rice wasn't thinking for himself during his first tweet? Doesn't it seem more likely he was originally thinking for himself, and then was indoctrinated into the cause afterwards. Seems like the most common chain of events



    As far as the killings, many are justified as police lives are in jeopardy. Not all but many. Keep in mind that an unarmed man can kill you very quickly and easily.

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