@TNP777 said:
For those that deny that Americans of African descent live under different rules than those of European descent, I'm reminded of one of my favorite scenes from the book and movie, "A Time to Kill".
I set out to prove a black man could receive a fair trial in the south, that we are all equal in the eyes of the law. That's not the truth, because the eyes of the law are human eyes -- yours and mine -- and until we can see each other as equals, justice is never going to be evenhanded. It will remain nothing more than a reflection of our own prejudices, so until that day we have a duty under God to seek the truth, not with our eyes and not with our minds where fear and hate turn commonality into prejudice, but with our hearts -- where we don't know better.
Now I wanna tell you a story. I'm gonna ask ya'all to close your eyes while I tell you this story. I want you to listen to me. I want you to listen to yourselves.
This is a story about a little girl walking home from the grocery store one sunny afternoon. I want you to picture this little girl.
Suddenly a truck races up. Two men jump out and grab her. They drag her into a nearby field and they tie her up, and they rip her clothes from her body. Now they climb on, first one then the other, raping her, shattering everything innocent and pure -- vicious thrusts -- in a fog of drunken breath and sweat. And when they're done, after they killed her tiny womb, murdered any chance for her to bear children, to have life beyond her own, they decide to use her for target practice. So they start throwing full beer cans at her. They throw 'em so hard that it tears the flesh all the way to her bones -- and they urinate on her.
Now comes the hanging. They have a rope; they tie a noose. Imagine the noose pulling tight around her neck and a sudden blinding jerk. She's pulled into the air and her feet and legs go kicking and they don't find the ground. The hanging branch isn't strong enough. It snaps and she falls back to the earth. So they pick her up, throw her in the back of the truck, and drive out to Foggy Creek Bridge and pitch her over the edge. And she drops some 30 feet down to the creek bottom below.
Can you see her? Her raped, beaten, broken body, soaked in their urine, soaked in their semen, soaked in her blood -- left to die.
Can you see her? I want you to picture that little girl.
Let's imagine the rage and Twitter storm if Philando Castile had been a white man named Brian Stevens (name pulled from my infertile imagination). Imagine if Brian informed the policeman who pulled him over that he was armed and had a valid concealed carry. Would he have been shot with a child in the back seat?
Imagine if a young white woman had fallen asleep in the common room of her Harvard dorm. Would the police have been called?
Imagine if a white man had allegedly used his turn signal more than 100 feet from his intended turn. First, would he have even been pulled over, and if so, would the alleged reason he was pulled over be changed to "vegetation in his window?" http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article211389039.html
Imagine a couple of decently-dressed white dudes waiting in a Starbucks for their buddy (a scene that literally plays out in every Starbucks in America a daily basis) without first ordering something. Would they have been asked to leave? Would six police officers show up to detain those decently-dressed white troublemakers, eventually leading them out in handcuffs?
So yeah, please keep telling us about these "little protests" and attention-seeking athletes who don't know why they're kneeling. Keep telling us that the sacred Flag and sacred Anthem are being urinated on by spoiled black men (because that's what you're really angry about) who dare to use their unique platform to protest the still-present discrimination and danger that people of color face on a daily basis.
You tell me that the vast majority of cops are good and decent people? I agree with you. You tell me that these men and women put their lives on the line on a daily basis to protect and serve people of all races? I agree with you. But also tell me why people of color still fear and distrust police, regardless of the good cops serving them. The reasons are there, whether you choose to acknowledge them or not.
Of course there are racist people in America. There is however no evidence to support modern institutional racism.
You can check all the Wikipedia articles you want (lol) but there is just no evidence. There is evidence to show that affirmative action exists. That is an overt form of racism. This boils down to lack of the nuclear family in many many inner city African American homes, dads not around for their kids, gang activity and self fulfilling prophecies.
The vast majority of law enforcement are good people. Many inner city youths are not taught the proper way to interact with law enforcement, that is where their trouble comes. If you think there is some high level law enforcement policy to discriminate against and kill African Americans, you need to take off your tin foil hat and prove it. Because it just isn't happening. There is no evidence.
@grote15 said:
That's a lot of resentment and bitterness to be carrying around, glicker. Dirtbags? Really?
The reality is that the majority of players in the NFL are hardworking, achievement oriented individuals who give back to the community and donate their time and/or money to many charitable organizations.
The reality also is that a lot of NFL players go broke because they spend their money on drugs, women, and fancy things, just like Mike Tyson did, and just like Evander Holyfield did, with his many fatherless children he had to support.
This is simply not correct. A small percentage of players who get into trouble command the lion's share of media coiverage but the vast majority of players are hardworking, achievement oriented individuals who give back to the community and donate their time and/or money to many charitable organizations. Of course, that doesn't fit your percepation or your narrative so you discount it.
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Antonio Cromartie can’t retire from football anytime soon.
The Jets cornerback will have 12 children to support, including the twins who wife Terricka Cason announced last week are on the way.
Besides the two children he already has with Terricka, Cromartie, 31, has eight kids with seven other women across the country. He pays each about $3,500 a month in child support — an estimated $336,000 a year.
That takes up just a small chunk of his guaranteed $7 million salary in 2015. But under a four-year, $32 million contract he signed in March 2015, the rest is not guaranteed. The Jets can cut him loose at any time.
Tim how do you figure that most of the NFL players are hardworking achievement, good job ethic type personnel? I’m not picking a fight with you but how do you come up with that? Are there real numbers that back up or go against that? Sure there are a small percentage that destroy their financial stability and there are a small percentage that give back a ton to their communities and other things. Most of the team orientated give backs to the community or sick children come from the team and or NFL. And before any one like Geordie or Mark think that I’m just referring to the black athletes I’m not, I’m referring to NFL PLAYERS. One thing for sure is once we get on topic of Racism, politics and other highly opinionated subjects, we all have our own beliefs and thoughts.
1970s, that first post above is pretty offensive and reveals more about you than those you wish to denigrate.
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Coin, Cromratie is an irresponsible reckless idiot so we need to keep him as a separate subject. Anyone- regardless of what they do for Work is irresponsible to have 12 children with 8 different women!
@perkdog said:
Tim how do you figure that most of the NFL players are hardworking achievement, good job ethic type personnel? I’m not picking a fight with you but how do you come up with that? Are there real numbers that back up or go against that? Sure there are a small percentage that destroy their financial stability and there are a small percentage that give back a ton to their communities and other things. Most of the team orientated give backs to the community or sick children come from the team and or NFL. And before any one like Geordie or Mark think that I’m just referring to the black athletes I’m not, I’m referring to NFL PLAYERS. One thing for sure is once we get on topic of Racism, politics and other highly opinionated subjects, we all have our own beliefs and thoughts.
Paul, there are 1,696 players in the NFL, counting practice squads. It's no secret that the media will focus on the few misdeeds of the minority in favor of the vast majority who cause no trouble at all but who simply go about their business.
The national arrest rate for males 20-39 years of age is twice as high as it is for NFL players. The positive stories simply don't warrant media attention. We like to see the train wrecks instead.
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@perkdog said:
Tim how do you figure that most of the NFL players are hardworking achievement, good job ethic type personnel? I’m not picking a fight with you but how do you come up with that? Are there real numbers that back up or go against that? Sure there are a small percentage that destroy their financial stability and there are a small percentage that give back a ton to their communities and other things. Most of the team orientated give backs to the community or sick children come from the team and or NFL. And before any one like Geordie or Mark think that I’m just referring to the black athletes I’m not, I’m referring to NFL PLAYERS. One thing for sure is once we get on topic of Racism, politics and other highly opinionated subjects, we all have our own beliefs and thoughts.
Paul, there are 1,696 players in the NFL, counting practice squads. It's no secret that the media will focus on the few misdeeds of the minority in favor of the vast majority who cause no trouble at all but who simply go about their business.
The national arrest rate for males 20-39 years of age is twice as high as it is for NFL players. The positive stories simply don't warrant media attention. We like to see the train wrecks instead.
You forgot this part from your CNN NFL/national arrest story.
"""Also notable was that NFL players had a higher arrest rate for violent crimes than the general population during six of 14 years studied, including a spike in violent crime arrests of NFL players from 2004 to 2008. In that category, the numbers for the general public remained unchanged."""
@perkdog said:
Tim how do you figure that most of the NFL players are hardworking achievement, good job ethic type personnel? I’m not picking a fight with you but how do you come up with that? Are there real numbers that back up or go against that? Sure there are a small percentage that destroy their financial stability and there are a small percentage that give back a ton to their communities and other things. Most of the team orientated give backs to the community or sick children come from the team and or NFL. And before any one like Geordie or Mark think that I’m just referring to the black athletes I’m not, I’m referring to NFL PLAYERS. One thing for sure is once we get on topic of Racism, politics and other highly opinionated subjects, we all have our own beliefs and thoughts.
Paul, there are 1,696 players in the NFL, counting practice squads. It's no secret that the media will focus on the few misdeeds of the minority in favor of the vast majority who cause no trouble at all but who simply go about their business.
The national arrest rate for males 20-39 years of age is twice as high as it is for NFL players. The positive stories simply don't warrant media attention. We like to see the train wrecks instead.
You forgot this part from your CNN NFL/national arrest story.
"""Also notable was that NFL players had a higher arrest rate for violent crimes than the general population during six of 14 years studied, including a spike in violent crime arrests of NFL players from 2004 to 2008. In that category, the numbers for the general public remained unchanged."""
So the general population still has the higher percentage for 8 of those 14 years. The way you'd think by reading things here you'd think that number should be 0 out of 14. And the fact remains that overall the arerest rate for NFL players is far less than it is for the general public.
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@perkdog said:
Personally I prefer the “Raised by my grandmother and she worked 3 jobs to afford college and now I’m buying her a house” stories
Me too. I guess I'm just tired of seeing all the negativity when there are so many positive stories to share that go unreported, because that aspect doesn't suit the narrative.
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@perkdog said:
Tim how do you figure that most of the NFL players are hardworking achievement, good job ethic type personnel? I’m not picking a fight with you but how do you come up with that? Are there real numbers that back up or go against that? Sure there are a small percentage that destroy their financial stability and there are a small percentage that give back a ton to their communities and other things. Most of the team orientated give backs to the community or sick children come from the team and or NFL. And before any one like Geordie or Mark think that I’m just referring to the black athletes I’m not, I’m referring to NFL PLAYERS. One thing for sure is once we get on topic of Racism, politics and other highly opinionated subjects, we all have our own beliefs and thoughts.
Paul, there are 1,696 players in the NFL, counting practice squads. It's no secret that the media will focus on the few misdeeds of the minority in favor of the vast majority who cause no trouble at all but who simply go about their business.
The national arrest rate for males 20-39 years of age is twice as high as it is for NFL players. The positive stories simply don't warrant media attention. We like to see the train wrecks instead.
You forgot this part from your CNN NFL/national arrest story.
"""Also notable was that NFL players had a higher arrest rate for violent crimes than the general population during six of 14 years studied, including a spike in violent crime arrests of NFL players from 2004 to 2008. In that category, the numbers for the general public remained unchanged."""
So the general population still has the higher percentage for 8 of those 14 years. The way you'd think by reading things here you'd think that number should be 0 out of 14. And the fact remains that overall the arerest rate for NFL players is far less than it is for the general public.
I wonder what the arrest rate of the NFL vs males 20-39 earning $400,000 plus a year looks like?
I value my membership here and have met some of the greatest guys I have ever known here. I will value those relationships for the rest of life. Saying that, I cannot let a few people here hide behind this board's "no personal attacks" rule while they actively promote racism and hate.
Craig, you can take your "show me hard evidence of institutional racism" and shove it straight up your (insert orifice of choice here). You, sir, are a racist, and no amount of evidence, even if I were to produce it, would be sufficient to you. You won't accept Wikipedie ("lol"), nor would you accept research done by any university, non-profit group or anyone else because your mind is made up. White is right, blacks are "less than". You scoff at things like Affirmative Action, while ignoring that AA rose directly from institutional racism. The Rooney Rule, to keep the conversation related to sports, rose directly from Institutional Racism. You ignore the information I posted from Wikipedia ("lol") showing that IR is often displayed in subtle ways. So again, take your demand for hard evidence and shove it straight up your (insert orifice of choice here). You nauseate me.
Glicker, likewise. You're too damn lazy to do any actual research, instead posting information from two years ago and trying to pass it off as fresh. The Cromartie twins were born two years ago. Also worth mentioning in your lazy copy/paste is that Antonio Cromartie is actually paying child support. You didn't make much of that, but we can all bet every house payment we'd make for the rest of our lives that if he wasn't paying child support, you'd be trumpeting that. Why? Because you also are a racist, albeit not a particularly intelligent, imaginative one. By the way, do you have anything to say about the guy at the head of the Orange Cult you follow? You know, the guy who's fathered five children by three different women, the guy who cheated on all three of those women, the guy who raw-dogged a porn star after the birth of his last child? Naw, of course not. Because he has emboldened racists like you to utter your filth in increasingly public settings.
Oh, one last thing for you, Herr Glickmeister: I don't get paid by the column inch, so I'll give you the tl'dr version: you're a racist, which makes you a loathsome human being.
As Tim has already said, the post made by the @1970s is easily the most offensive, disgusting thing I've read in this racist cesspool of a thread, or on any thread in my time here. You don't even get a column inch.
Paul, I did promise a response to what you wrote. Truthfully, at this point I just don't have the heart. I told Tim privately that I like you - I always have. Had we ever had the chance to meet and become friends in person, I'm almost positive I would still like you. I can see your heart behind what you post. However, some of the things you post and the attitude in which they're posted make me uncomfortable. I know you and some others keep trying to steer this conversation back to "kneeling disrespects the Flag and the Anthem (and by extension the military), but to me this entire, sorry episode (the kneeling itself and the resulting conversations here and elsewhere) are deeply seated in this country's festering race problem. Colin Kaepernick, kneeler zero, was protesting unjust treatment of minorities by the police. He never hid, never said he was being misquoted, never backtracked, was always ready to eloquently make his case, put his money where his mouth was, and has constantly had his message distorted by those who want to make this whole thing about something that it wasn't. I understand that you believe his (and others) actions were disrespectful. I understand the thought process behind that belief. Obviously I very strongly feel that it was NEVER about that, but again I understand how you and others think differently. My passionate disagreement with you and others doesn't mean I hate my country, the Flag, the Anthem, or the military. Quite the contrary. I love all of them, but will not worship any of them.
Hmm... now that I think about it, I guess I did have the heart! Paul, as always, I remain yf.
That's it - all done. If anyone is petty or spiteful enough to report me, so be it. At least I go out without having been coy about how I feel about some of the vile crap that's been posted by some of you.
TNP, I'll blame the brain fart on your part on early holiday beer consumption.
From my Cromartie post.
"""Besides the two children he already has with Terricka, Cromartie, 31, has eight kids with seven other women across the country. He pays each about $3,500 a month in child support — an estimated $336,000 a year."""
Ah, I forgot that your short attention span and limited understanding of things like punctuation and complete sentences make reading a challenging endeavor. Here's the penny version:
@Coinstartled said:
TNP, I'll blame the brain fart on your part on early holiday beer consumption.
From my Cromartie post.
"""Besides the two children he already has with Terricka, Cromartie, 31, has eight kids with seven other women across the country. He pays each about $3,500 a month in child support — an estimated $336,000 a year."""
Sorry, racist. I speed-read through the rest of your post after the second sentence:
The Jets cornerback will have 12 children to support, including the twins who wife Terricka Cason announced last week are on the way.
Pat Tillman's family doesn't need the likes of you defending the man he was. He was an American hero who died defending our country's interests. Neither your nor anyone else knows how he would have responded to the kneelers. However, the story that Mark shared with me was already known to me. Here it is for anyone else that wishes to read it.
Wait I thought Pat Tilman was killed by friendly fire and the military invented a big phony story to cover that up , that lie which was later uncovered.
Here on memorial day weekend we are celebrating afghanistan as the longest most pointless war in american history, with no end in sight of course. If 17 years of mindless violence in service to a false narrative doesn't inspire patriotism , I don't know what else will
Ok Ok Ok let’s not get anymore out of control!! This place has seen its fair share of quality posters get shown the door and made it very quiet for a long time let’s not go there again! Blind hate is an awful thing and hatred toward anyone because of skin color or religious beliefs is even more terrible and disgusting. On my end I really don’t equate being angry about “Kneelers” to being racist although unfortunately some people do I guess. Maybe be we should just let this thread fade away?
@thisistheshow said:
Everyone's beliefs, values, and opinions are shaped by a myriad of assorted factors. And these can change with time. I am thankful that I am not the man I was in the past, because if I was I would have a different take on this. And because I have been blessed to change, I know others can change as well-so I see it as worthwhile to write what I am about to in the hopes that it makes some of you change how you see things.
I do believe that institutional racism is existent, and that deciphering the subtleties and intentions is nearly impossible. But here is something I have witnessed firsthand many times: A man, who is a father,who is not able to be on the lease of an apartment where his children and his children's mother live, because it would mean they would not qualify for certain gov't benefits they need. Therefore, the man has an address on his ID which does not match that of his children. Yet he lives there. When police are at the apartment or apt. complex for ANY and ask him for his ID for WHATEVER reason, he might be told or forced to leave, or arrested for trespassing. Or he can't be there while the apartment is being inspected- and there can't be any signs that he lives there.
If this example seems ludicrous to any of you, please forgive me. If you read this example and think that the mother only has to lie because of the traits of the father, instead of a much larger, innately corrupt system, then I pray that you will someday find the empathy to understand.
Thanks for reading.
I suppose that in a better world, the father would get a job and support his children. I know that that is a Neanderthal thought, but I am a Neanderthal.
Your post is quite nuanced. Does the mother have a job? What type of assistance are you referring to that is not available if the father lives with his family?
@TNP777 said:
I value my membership here and have met some of the greatest guys I have ever known here. I will value those relationships for the rest of life. Saying that, I cannot let a few people here hide behind this board's "no personal attacks" rule while they actively promote racism and hate.
Craig, you can take your "show me hard evidence of institutional racism" and shove it straight up your (insert orifice of choice here). You, sir, are a racist, and no amount of evidence, even if I were to produce it, would be sufficient to you. You won't accept Wikipedie ("lol"), nor would you accept research done by any university, non-profit group or anyone else because your mind is made up. White is right, blacks are "less than". You scoff at things like Affirmative Action, while ignoring that AA rose directly from institutional racism. The Rooney Rule, to keep the conversation related to sports, rose directly from Institutional Racism. You ignore the information I posted from Wikipedia ("lol") showing that IR is often displayed in subtle ways. So again, take your demand for hard evidence and shove it straight up your (insert orifice of choice here). You nauseate me.
Glicker, likewise. You're too damn lazy to do any actual research, instead posting information from two years ago and trying to pass it off as fresh. The Cromartie twins were born two years ago. Also worth mentioning in your lazy copy/paste is that Antonio Cromartie is actually paying child support. You didn't make much of that, but we can all bet every house payment we'd make for the rest of our lives that if he wasn't paying child support, you'd be trumpeting that. Why? Because you also are a racist, albeit not a particularly intelligent, imaginative one. By the way, do you have anything to say about the guy at the head of the Orange Cult you follow? You know, the guy who's fathered five children by three different women, the guy who cheated on all three of those women, the guy who raw-dogged a porn star after the birth of his last child? Naw, of course not. Because he has emboldened racists like you to utter your filth in increasingly public settings.
Oh, one last thing for you, Herr Glickmeister: I don't get paid by the column inch, so I'll give you the tl'dr version: you're a racist, which makes you a loathsome human being.
As Tim has already said, the post made by the @1970s is easily the most offensive, disgusting thing I've read in this racist cesspool of a thread, or on any thread in my time here. You don't even get a column inch.
Paul, I did promise a response to what you wrote. Truthfully, at this point I just don't have the heart. I told Tim privately that I like you - I always have. Had we ever had the chance to meet and become friends in person, I'm almost positive I would still like you. I can see your heart behind what you post. However, some of the things you post and the attitude in which they're posted make me uncomfortable. I know you and some others keep trying to steer this conversation back to "kneeling disrespects the Flag and the Anthem (and by extension the military), but to me this entire, sorry episode (the kneeling itself and the resulting conversations here and elsewhere) are deeply seated in this country's festering race problem. Colin Kaepernick, kneeler zero, was protesting unjust treatment of minorities by the police. He never hid, never said he was being misquoted, never backtracked, was always ready to eloquently make his case, put his money where his mouth was, and has constantly had his message distorted by those who want to make this whole thing about something that it wasn't. I understand that you believe his (and others) actions were disrespectful. I understand the thought process behind that belief. Obviously I very strongly feel that it was NEVER about that, but again I understand how you and others think differently. My passionate disagreement with you and others doesn't mean I hate my country, the Flag, the Anthem, or the military. Quite the contrary. I love all of them, but will not worship any of them.
Hmm... now that I think about it, I guess I did have the heart! Paul, as always, I remain yf.
That's it - all done. If anyone is petty or spiteful enough to report me, so be it. At least I go out without having been coy about how I feel about some of the vile crap that's been posted by some of you.
What an angry angry person you are. Seems you can't debate without getting all emotional and calling names. Too bad. No, I wont accept Wikipedia as a source, that is lazy and laughable. You can't find evidence of IR so you say it is so subtle and under the radar that it can't be seen. Maybe it is so subtle that it doesn't even exist. No, I am not a racist, just pragmatic. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they are wrong or beneath you or racist. It just means you don't agree. If I am so wrong, prove it, don't call names, just prove it. You have come off as very juvenile in your last few posts.
And by the way, AA was useful for a time, now it has overextended its usefulness. It is a blatantly racist program. Whatever happened to not the color of your skin, but the content of your character?
Angry in general? Not so much. Angry about some of the things posted here? Yes, I get angry when I see attitudes and words like yours, and those posted by Glicker and 1970s. You've been spouting your thinly-veiled racially-tinged nonsense in this thread for almost two years, and I've decided to speak more forcefully than usual. If it costs me my posting privileges here, so be it.
Name-calling? Yes. You can tell me you're not a racist, but in my opinion your denial is hollow. Don't like being called a racist? Then don't post like one. You keep asking for credible evidence when the evidence is living and breathing all around every one of us. You don't see it because you don't want to. The value you see in others is conditional, and you will continue making excuses and hiding behind some nebulous lack of credible facts (as defined by you) to justify your racism.
I agree that content of character should be one of the most important characteristics by which a man or woman is judged. Unfortunately, as demonstrated by far too many posts here, far too many people in this country are unable to get past skin color to get to know the character of the person within.
I'm so sorry that you get emotional and can't control yourself when debating with people who disagree with you.
Can you please give some examples of my "racism" in my posts? I don't mean things that you disagree with and hurt your feelings, but racist things.
Because I don't believe in IR and you can't prove it exists, should I Change my belief because you "say so". I don't hardly think so.
I don't think anyone has ever called me racist before, in fact, I recently returned from Asia where I adopted a child. Sounds like I am pretty racist huh? Adopting a Chinese orphan and all....
Keep in mind, you know few people here beyond the keys of your keyboard. you should think of that before you start getting all emotional and loosing control of yourself and throwing personal insults.
Spare me your hollow apology, Craig. Don't offer something that lacks sincerity. It's beneath both of us.
Emotional? perhaps. Can't control myself? When posting here, I'm very much in control. I know what I'm saying, who I'm saying it to, and I stand behind my words. If the likes of Glicker and 1970s want to report me and it costs me my membership in this community, so be it.
At this point I'm no longer trying to change your or anyone else's mind. I'm merely speaking from my heart for and against the words that others have posted here, for out of the overflow of the heart the mouth (or fingers as it were) speaks. I have had the pleasure of meeting a great many people from this community. They have all turned out to be exactly who they portrayed themselves behind the anonymity of this board. One can tell quite a bit about a person based on how they conduct themselves behind a keyboard. I'll leave that right there.
Congratulations on the adoption of your child. That is very commendable.
Were you trying to call me a racist ? Please answer so I can report you to the mods.
Please be a man and do not delete your response to me so the mods can take a look at it.
so you are going to report him to the mods? were you triggered ?do you need a safe space ?
@craig44 said:
I'm so sorry that you get emotional and can't control yourself when debating with people who disagree with you.
Can you please give some examples of my "racism" in my posts? I don't mean things that you disagree with and hurt your feelings, but racist things.
Because I don't believe in IR and you can't prove it exists, should I Change my belief because you "say so". I don't hardly think so.
I don't think anyone has ever called me racist before, in fact, I recently returned from Asia where I adopted a child. Sounds like I am pretty racist huh? Adopting a Chinese orphan and all....
Keep in mind, you know few people here beyond the keys of your keyboard. you should think of that before you start getting all emotional and loosing control of yourself and throwing personal insults.
Save your energy, Craig. Once the opponent goes nuclear with the racism claim, you have won. They have landed on Boardwalk and been checkmated at the same time. They are out of water balloons and Nerf darts. The quiver is empty.
Oh TNP....I apparently couldn't make the sarcasm drip quite thick enough in my post. There is no apology to you. There is nothing for me to apologize for. You on the other hand...
When one turns to personal attacks they are very much out of control. Your emotions have started where your intellect failed you and it shows. You have brought very little to this discussion other than your feelings, and it appears they have gotten hurt. You sir, are very much out of line. It is possible for adults to have civil discourse over hot button topics, apparently you just haven't made it to the big table yet. Your responses are very disappointing
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TNP, I could argue and rebut your cut and paste research, but I'm done with you. You just are not worth my time. You act childishly and frankly have embarrassed yourself. Why don't you bow out of this one and let the grown ups talk.
The NFL loses its dismissal of collusion in the CK case. Kaepernick wins summary judgement against the NFL. This just keeps his grievance alive
mark
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The NFL loses its dismissal of collusion in the CK case. Kaepernick wins summary judgement against the NFL. This just keeps his grievance alive
mark
I don't see what can become of this. What are they going to do...…..make a team take him!!
If they find that teams or the NFL colluded not to sign him he will probably make more then if he played via lawsuit. The artibrator through his findings thinks there is a case after listening to both sides
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So let's see if i can get this straight. A job applicant puts his previous places of employment on his resume. The prospective employer contacts his previous employers. They all state that although he has the qualifications, he was a disruption to the workplace and an overall detriment to the company, which is why he was let go.
The prospective employer decides not to hire this individual.
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Of course there are racist people in America. There is however no evidence to support modern institutional racism.
You can check all the Wikipedia articles you want (lol) but there is just no evidence. There is evidence to show that affirmative action exists. That is an overt form of racism. This boils down to lack of the nuclear family in many many inner city African American homes, dads not around for their kids, gang activity and self fulfilling prophecies.
The vast majority of law enforcement are good people. Many inner city youths are not taught the proper way to interact with law enforcement, that is where their trouble comes. If you think there is some high level law enforcement policy to discriminate against and kill African Americans, you need to take off your tin foil hat and prove it. Because it just isn't happening. There is no evidence.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
This is simply not correct. A small percentage of players who get into trouble command the lion's share of media coiverage but the vast majority of players are hardworking, achievement oriented individuals who give back to the community and donate their time and/or money to many charitable organizations. Of course, that doesn't fit your percepation or your narrative so you discount it.
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This dude apparently never rested.---
Antonio Cromartie can’t retire from football anytime soon.
The Jets cornerback will have 12 children to support, including the twins who wife Terricka Cason announced last week are on the way.
Besides the two children he already has with Terricka, Cromartie, 31, has eight kids with seven other women across the country. He pays each about $3,500 a month in child support — an estimated $336,000 a year.
That takes up just a small chunk of his guaranteed $7 million salary in 2015. But under a four-year, $32 million contract he signed in March 2015, the rest is not guaranteed. The Jets can cut him loose at any time.
Tim how do you figure that most of the NFL players are hardworking achievement, good job ethic type personnel? I’m not picking a fight with you but how do you come up with that? Are there real numbers that back up or go against that? Sure there are a small percentage that destroy their financial stability and there are a small percentage that give back a ton to their communities and other things. Most of the team orientated give backs to the community or sick children come from the team and or NFL. And before any one like Geordie or Mark think that I’m just referring to the black athletes I’m not, I’m referring to NFL PLAYERS. One thing for sure is once we get on topic of Racism, politics and other highly opinionated subjects, we all have our own beliefs and thoughts.
1970s, that first post above is pretty offensive and reveals more about you than those you wish to denigrate.
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Geordie I’m still waiting for any positive or negative input from you regarding my long post!
Coin, Cromratie is an irresponsible reckless idiot so we need to keep him as a separate subject. Anyone- regardless of what they do for Work is irresponsible to have 12 children with 8 different women!
Paul, there are 1,696 players in the NFL, counting practice squads. It's no secret that the media will focus on the few misdeeds of the minority in favor of the vast majority who cause no trouble at all but who simply go about their business.
The national arrest rate for males 20-39 years of age is twice as high as it is for NFL players. The positive stories simply don't warrant media attention. We like to see the train wrecks instead.
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Personally I prefer the “Raised by my grandmother and she worked 3 jobs to afford college and now I’m buying her a house” stories
You forgot this part from your CNN NFL/national arrest story.
"""Also notable was that NFL players had a higher arrest rate for violent crimes than the general population during six of 14 years studied, including a spike in violent crime arrests of NFL players from 2004 to 2008. In that category, the numbers for the general public remained unchanged."""
So the general population still has the higher percentage for 8 of those 14 years. The way you'd think by reading things here you'd think that number should be 0 out of 14. And the fact remains that overall the arerest rate for NFL players is far less than it is for the general public.
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Me too. I guess I'm just tired of seeing all the negativity when there are so many positive stories to share that go unreported, because that aspect doesn't suit the narrative.
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I wonder what the arrest rate of the NFL vs males 20-39 earning $400,000 plus a year looks like?
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I value my membership here and have met some of the greatest guys I have ever known here. I will value those relationships for the rest of life. Saying that, I cannot let a few people here hide behind this board's "no personal attacks" rule while they actively promote racism and hate.
Craig, you can take your "show me hard evidence of institutional racism" and shove it straight up your (insert orifice of choice here). You, sir, are a racist, and no amount of evidence, even if I were to produce it, would be sufficient to you. You won't accept Wikipedie ("lol"), nor would you accept research done by any university, non-profit group or anyone else because your mind is made up. White is right, blacks are "less than". You scoff at things like Affirmative Action, while ignoring that AA rose directly from institutional racism. The Rooney Rule, to keep the conversation related to sports, rose directly from Institutional Racism. You ignore the information I posted from Wikipedia ("lol") showing that IR is often displayed in subtle ways. So again, take your demand for hard evidence and shove it straight up your (insert orifice of choice here). You nauseate me.
Glicker, likewise. You're too damn lazy to do any actual research, instead posting information from two years ago and trying to pass it off as fresh. The Cromartie twins were born two years ago. Also worth mentioning in your lazy copy/paste is that Antonio Cromartie is actually paying child support. You didn't make much of that, but we can all bet every house payment we'd make for the rest of our lives that if he wasn't paying child support, you'd be trumpeting that. Why? Because you also are a racist, albeit not a particularly intelligent, imaginative one. By the way, do you have anything to say about the guy at the head of the Orange Cult you follow? You know, the guy who's fathered five children by three different women, the guy who cheated on all three of those women, the guy who raw-dogged a porn star after the birth of his last child? Naw, of course not. Because he has emboldened racists like you to utter your filth in increasingly public settings.
Oh, one last thing for you, Herr Glickmeister: I don't get paid by the column inch, so I'll give you the tl'dr version: you're a racist, which makes you a loathsome human being.
As Tim has already said, the post made by the @1970s is easily the most offensive, disgusting thing I've read in this racist cesspool of a thread, or on any thread in my time here. You don't even get a column inch.
Paul, I did promise a response to what you wrote. Truthfully, at this point I just don't have the heart. I told Tim privately that I like you - I always have. Had we ever had the chance to meet and become friends in person, I'm almost positive I would still like you. I can see your heart behind what you post. However, some of the things you post and the attitude in which they're posted make me uncomfortable. I know you and some others keep trying to steer this conversation back to "kneeling disrespects the Flag and the Anthem (and by extension the military), but to me this entire, sorry episode (the kneeling itself and the resulting conversations here and elsewhere) are deeply seated in this country's festering race problem. Colin Kaepernick, kneeler zero, was protesting unjust treatment of minorities by the police. He never hid, never said he was being misquoted, never backtracked, was always ready to eloquently make his case, put his money where his mouth was, and has constantly had his message distorted by those who want to make this whole thing about something that it wasn't. I understand that you believe his (and others) actions were disrespectful. I understand the thought process behind that belief. Obviously I very strongly feel that it was NEVER about that, but again I understand how you and others think differently. My passionate disagreement with you and others doesn't mean I hate my country, the Flag, the Anthem, or the military. Quite the contrary. I love all of them, but will not worship any of them.
Hmm... now that I think about it, I guess I did have the heart!
Paul, as always, I remain yf.
That's it - all done. If anyone is petty or spiteful enough to report me, so be it. At least I go out without having been coy about how I feel about some of the vile crap that's been posted by some of you.
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TNP, I'll blame the brain fart on your part on early holiday beer consumption.
From my Cromartie post.
"""Besides the two children he already has with Terricka, Cromartie, 31, has eight kids with seven other women across the country. He pays each about $3,500 a month in child support — an estimated $336,000 a year."""
Ah, I forgot that your short attention span and limited understanding of things like punctuation and complete sentences make reading a challenging endeavor. Here's the penny version:
You're a racist.
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Sorry, racist. I speed-read through the rest of your post after the second sentence:
Those twins turned two on May 8.
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And TNP, I won't respond to your Al Sharpton approved race baiting comments. No place here for gutter wrestling.
So I see that Justacommem, while feigning a break from this thread, is feeding info to TNP.
Shame on you Mark for denigrating Pat Tillman's legacy...and next time make sure it is a PM to the recipient and not in the public comments section.
Actually, Mark sent the same via PM, racist.
Pat Tillman's family doesn't need the likes of you defending the man he was. He was an American hero who died defending our country's interests. Neither your nor anyone else knows how he would have responded to the kneelers. However, the story that Mark shared with me was already known to me. Here it is for anyone else that wishes to read it.
http://www.ibtimes.com/pat-tillmans-wife-responds-trumps-tweet-2594072
edit: forgot my Glicker signature
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Wait I thought Pat Tilman was killed by friendly fire and the military invented a big phony story to cover that up , that lie which was later uncovered.
Here on memorial day weekend we are celebrating afghanistan as the longest most pointless war in american history, with no end in sight of course. If 17 years of mindless violence in service to a false narrative doesn't inspire patriotism , I don't know what else will
Ok Ok Ok let’s not get anymore out of control!! This place has seen its fair share of quality posters get shown the door and made it very quiet for a long time let’s not go there again! Blind hate is an awful thing and hatred toward anyone because of skin color or religious beliefs is even more terrible and disgusting. On my end I really don’t equate being angry about “Kneelers” to being racist although unfortunately some people do I guess. Maybe be we should just let this thread fade away?
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"TNP...try this on 'em."
I suppose that in a better world, the father would get a job and support his children. I know that that is a Neanderthal thought, but I am a Neanderthal.
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Your post is quite nuanced. Does the mother have a job? What type of assistance are you referring to that is not available if the father lives with his family?
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What an angry angry person you are. Seems you can't debate without getting all emotional and calling names. Too bad. No, I wont accept Wikipedia as a source, that is lazy and laughable. You can't find evidence of IR so you say it is so subtle and under the radar that it can't be seen. Maybe it is so subtle that it doesn't even exist. No, I am not a racist, just pragmatic. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they are wrong or beneath you or racist. It just means you don't agree. If I am so wrong, prove it, don't call names, just prove it. You have come off as very juvenile in your last few posts.
And by the way, AA was useful for a time, now it has overextended its usefulness. It is a blatantly racist program. Whatever happened to not the color of your skin, but the content of your character?
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Angry in general? Not so much. Angry about some of the things posted here? Yes, I get angry when I see attitudes and words like yours, and those posted by Glicker and 1970s. You've been spouting your thinly-veiled racially-tinged nonsense in this thread for almost two years, and I've decided to speak more forcefully than usual. If it costs me my posting privileges here, so be it.
Name-calling? Yes. You can tell me you're not a racist, but in my opinion your denial is hollow. Don't like being called a racist? Then don't post like one. You keep asking for credible evidence when the evidence is living and breathing all around every one of us. You don't see it because you don't want to. The value you see in others is conditional, and you will continue making excuses and hiding behind some nebulous lack of credible facts (as defined by you) to justify your racism.
I agree that content of character should be one of the most important characteristics by which a man or woman is judged. Unfortunately, as demonstrated by far too many posts here, far too many people in this country are unable to get past skin color to get to know the character of the person within.
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I'm so sorry that you get emotional and can't control yourself when debating with people who disagree with you.
Can you please give some examples of my "racism" in my posts? I don't mean things that you disagree with and hurt your feelings, but racist things.
Because I don't believe in IR and you can't prove it exists, should I Change my belief because you "say so". I don't hardly think so.
I don't think anyone has ever called me racist before, in fact, I recently returned from Asia where I adopted a child. Sounds like I am pretty racist huh? Adopting a Chinese orphan and all....
Keep in mind, you know few people here beyond the keys of your keyboard. you should think of that before you start getting all emotional and loosing control of yourself and throwing personal insults.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Spare me your hollow apology, Craig. Don't offer something that lacks sincerity. It's beneath both of us.
Emotional? perhaps. Can't control myself? When posting here, I'm very much in control. I know what I'm saying, who I'm saying it to, and I stand behind my words. If the likes of Glicker and 1970s want to report me and it costs me my membership in this community, so be it.
At this point I'm no longer trying to change your or anyone else's mind. I'm merely speaking from my heart for and against the words that others have posted here, for out of the overflow of the heart the mouth (or fingers as it were) speaks. I have had the pleasure of meeting a great many people from this community. They have all turned out to be exactly who they portrayed themselves behind the anonymity of this board. One can tell quite a bit about a person based on how they conduct themselves behind a keyboard. I'll leave that right there.
Congratulations on the adoption of your child. That is very commendable.
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so you are going to report him to the mods? were you triggered ?do you need a safe space ?
Save your energy, Craig. Once the opponent goes nuclear with the racism claim, you have won. They have landed on Boardwalk and been checkmated at the same time. They are out of water balloons and Nerf darts. The quiver is empty.
On to basketball.
Oh TNP....I apparently couldn't make the sarcasm drip quite thick enough in my post. There is no apology to you. There is nothing for me to apologize for. You on the other hand...
When one turns to personal attacks they are very much out of control. Your emotions have started where your intellect failed you and it shows. You have brought very little to this discussion other than your feelings, and it appears they have gotten hurt. You sir, are very much out of line. It is possible for adults to have civil discourse over hot button topics, apparently you just haven't made it to the big table yet. Your responses are very disappointing
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Thanks coinstartled, I know he has nothing left to add, but it's tough to let go when someone makes ugly personal attacks.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
The man wants some evidence. Okay.
Search results (using the Google) are from the first page of each of these categories. Links are presented without comment. Feel free to trust or dismiss/disparage each source as you wish.
Traffic stops (keyword search "traffic stops black vs white")
NPR: Police respect whites more than blacks during traffic stops, language analysis finds
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/police-respect-whites-blacks-traffic-stops-language-analysis-finds
LA Times: Black and Latino drivers are searched based on less evidence and are more likely to be arrested, Stanford researchers find
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-stanford-minority-drive-disparties-20170619-story.html
Twin Cities Pioneer Press: St. Paul officers stop black motorists at higher rates than whites, data show
https://www.twincities.com/2016/12/14/st-paul-officers-stop-black-motorists-at-higher-rates-than-whites-data-shows/
Sacramento Bee: http://www.sacbee.com/news/investigations/the-public-eye/article148187399.html
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/04/the-stop-race-police-traffic/
Sentencing disparities (keyword search: "sentencing black white")
Washington Post: Black men sentenced to more time for committing the exact same crime as a white person, study finds
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/11/16/black-men-sentenced-to-more-time-for-committing-the-exact-same-crime-as-a-white-person-study-finds/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d18bbf648381
ABC News: Black men get longer prison sentences than white men for the same crime: Study
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/black-men-sentenced-time-white-men-crime-study/story?id=51203491
NY Times: Unequal sentences for blacks and whites
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/17/opinion/sunday/unequal-sentences-for-blacks-and-whites.html
Vox: Report: black men get longer sentences for the same federal crime as white men
https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/11/17/16668770/us-sentencing-commission-race-booker
United States Sentencing Commission: Demographic Differences in Sentencing
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/research-publications/2017/20171114_Demographics.pdf
Health care (keyword search: "health care black white")
The Hill: Black Americans don’t trust our healthcare system — here's why
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/healthcare/347780-black-americans-dont-have-trust-in-our-healthcare-system
CNN: Training doctors to spot their own racial biases
https://www.cnn.com/2015/09/07/health/healthcare-racial-bias/index.html
Vox: America's brutal black-white health gap: why black men can expect to live 5 years less than white men
https://www.vox.com/2014/8/25/6052871/why-white-skin-works-better-than-most-medicine
CBS News: Surprising discovery on racial disparities in health care (citing research done by the American Heart Association when researching 3.1m records from the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/when-health-care-is-equal-blacks-fare-better-than-whites/
Loan approval (keyword search: "loan approval black white")
PEW Research Center: Blacks and Hispanics face extra challenges in getting home loans
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/01/10/blacks-and-hispanics-face-extra-challenges-in-getting-home-loans/
CNN Money: Buying a home is easier if you're white (study of mortgage rate approvals by Zillow)
http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/09/real_estate/zillow-mortgage-white-black/index.html
The Detroit News: Detroit-area blacks twice as likely to be denied home loans
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/real-estate/2018/02/15/red-lining-home-loans/110436482/
The Atlantic: Why Blacks and Hispanics Have Such Expensive Mortgages
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/02/blacks-hispanics-mortgages/471024/
Zillow: Black, Hispanic Mortgage Applicants Denied at Twice the Rate of Whites, Asians
https://www.zillow.com/blog/mortgage-applications-2015-207578/
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TNP, I could argue and rebut your cut and paste research, but I'm done with you. You just are not worth my time. You act childishly and frankly have embarrassed yourself. Why don't you bow out of this one and let the grown ups talk.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Sorry wrong thread.
https://sports.yahoo.com/colin-kaepernick-wins-summary-judgment-case-vs-nfl-keeping-grievance-case-alive-203456241.html
The NFL loses its dismissal of collusion in the CK case. Kaepernick wins summary judgement against the NFL. This just keeps his grievance alive
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I don't see what can become of this. What are they going to do...…..make a team take him!!
If they find that teams or the NFL colluded not to sign him he will probably make more then if he played via lawsuit. The artibrator through his findings thinks there is a case after listening to both sides
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OFCOURSE there is a case, it’s a complete joke too. I hope he wins and gets $1, Him and Reid can split it
So let's see if i can get this straight. A job applicant puts his previous places of employment on his resume. The prospective employer contacts his previous employers. They all state that although he has the qualifications, he was a disruption to the workplace and an overall detriment to the company, which is why he was let go.
The prospective employer decides not to hire this individual.
So now this is considered collusion?