One-loss conference champions: Alabama, Oklahoma, Michigan State
Plus a one-loss Notre Dame.
Can you say with 100% certainty than MSU is in under that scenario? I can't.
Without a doubt, MSU gets in under that scenario. You're gonna deny a 1-loss conference champion with wins over Oregon, Michigan, Ohio, and Iowa? And whose only loss was a screwjob by the refs? No chance they get left out. None.
I think you are probably right, but I'm not 100% certain. I know they are outside today and it may become a moot point if Notre Dame loses to Stanford, but I just have a hard time imagining Notre Dame of all teams being the one holding the bag on the outside.
I do agree with you that MSU should be in under this scenario. I just lack confidence in the committee.
ND needs to win and then only need one team in front of them to lose as MSU and Iowa can't both go the rest of the way undefeated. They win at Stanford and they will be in decent shape.
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I think the committee knows that they didnt necessarily put in the top 4. But set it up so that its up to the top 6-7 teams to win out or lose their remaining games. Then the final "final 4" will can be fairly defended.
SEC, Big 10 and Clemson (shud win) are in and ND needs some help even if they win. Now we just have to watch it unfold..
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Notre Dame's chances of getting in are slim and none. Even if they beat Stanford.
ND needs to win and then only need one team in front of them to lose as MSU and Iowa can't both go the rest of the way undefeated. They win at Stanford and they will be in decent shape.
slim and none are first cousins of Ohio State from 2014 but I would place my money on Iowa.
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I'll be at the TCU/Baylor game tomorrow night. Just one of the many chips that needs to fall in line for my Irish. Hopefully TCU beats the holy hades out of Baylor
This format causes strange bedfollows, Go Irish, go Frogs, go Wolverines (this one is not strange, I usually root for Michigan except for when they play the Irish and I hate Ohio State, so this one is easy to cheer for, Hail to the Victors is very catchy and can grow on you (not like a fungus though)), go Huskers (more to enjoy seeing Iowa lose than Neb to win) , go Nittany Lions (can't stand Penn State either, used to enjoy Michigan State but don't like the current coach, but will be rooting for Penn State), and especially go Okie State Cowboys (Boomer Sooner has some of the friendliest fans I've experienced, and one of my future partners in my future law firm is a Sooner but if the CFB playoff committee is not going to punish them for losing to a common opponent that ND beat by over 30, then I have no choice but to root for the Cowboys)
Have never been to an actual game at TCU so looking forward to trying the concessions and seeing what the atmosphere is like. I was able to pickup what looks like 50 yard line seats for $50 so not sure how rabid the atmosphere is going to be there if tickets are that cheap. I'd bet the place is going to have a relatively large Baylor contingent with tickets that cheap.
Iowa losing to Neb and then Iowa beating MSU would make things interesting for the Big Ten providing ND beats #9 Stanford at Stanford
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Iowa losing to Neb and then Iowa beating MSU would make things interesting for the Big Ten providing ND beats #9 Stanford at Stanford
I think I need two hands to count all the "ifs" and what they result in from that post!!! I guess the best thing to say is that after Saturday the picture will be almost crystal clear if............................
Iowa losing to Neb and then Iowa beating MSU would make things interesting for the Big Ten providing ND beats #9 Stanford at Stanford
I think I need two hands to count all the "ifs" and what they result in from that post!!! I guess the best thing to say is that after Saturday the picture will be almost crystal clear if............................
Of course but Iowa- Neb is a pick em. ND upsetting Stanford isn't that much of a reach.
A Clemson loss could also open a door for the Irish. Also not far fetched.
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Just got home from TCU/Baylor. Was a helluva fun game to be at. The conditions were miserable but ND's outlook is much improved now. I think it's a two step process now, they need to beat Stanford and Okie State needs to beat Oklahoma. I think that formula will leave the big 12 out and get ND in. Those are both possible, but we'll see tomorrow (actually today) night.
I watched the Iowa game and find it interesting that there hasn't been much criticism of that Team for uninspiring wins as there routinely is for Ohio State. The two play in the same Conference against the same Teams, so what gives?? Judging the game from an unbiased position the difference was the Nebraska QB, very bad mechanics and perhaps even worse judgment added to some pathetic play calling, similar to last week's Buckeye loss. When will these coaches learn that on 3rd and one or 4th and one it might not be a good choice to run up the middle??
I have to believe that whoever plays Iowa, OSU/MSU/Michigan, will win.
Iowa looked similar to MSU on defense, they stacked the box and held at the line but their p***** defense was never really tested unless you count flat-footed throws off the wrong foot.
OSU totally controlling the offensive line of scrimmage. Zero answer from Michigan. OSU saved their best for last
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Sort of aggravated 'cause I'm at work and my boss won't let me watch the game, listening online!!! Considering it's "The Game" OSU is playing relaxed which makes me wonder if the Winning Streak finally took its toll last week?? And not just the players but the coaching staff, also.
As OSU did in 1968 winning 50-14. That game featured a moment followed by a quote that will never be forgotten by those that saw the game and heard Woody Hayes afterwards...
OSU was up 48-14 and went for 2 and converted making the score 50-14. Woody hayes was quoted as saying "we went for 2 because we could not go for 3"
The following year, UM beat OSU 24-12 in one of the greatest upsets in the series- (probably next to the 1950 game)
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Originally posted by: s4ny Oklahoma - in Big Ten winner - in ACC winner - in
If Alabama wins SEC championship - in.
If Florida beats Alabama in SEC championship (not likely), Ohio State or Big Ten championship loser in.
I agree about OK and the Big Ten winner. If UNC beats Clemson I am not so sure about that.
I agree if Florida beats Alabama then that opens up some possibilities for Ohio State but not sure if a one loss Iowa or two loss MSU would get in over 2 loss Stanford.
there were a few very interesting games yesterday.
I was surprised at how close the Clemson game was and despite a great effort by Henry, the Alabama/Auburn game seemed closer than the score. I thought it turned on the inability of Auburn to sack Coker in the third quarter --- first he avoided what looked like sure death to turn 4th-and-20 into 4th-and-one, then a few plays later he runs away from two defenders to throw a dart to the endzone, really incredible!!! After that the Tide "D" exerted itself in a classic rivalry. In the MSU/Penn State game the Spartans just overwhelmed Penn. I only watched part of that but I bet Connor Cook goes high in the draft, doesn't he look pro-ready?? The way MSU is playing they might take the road the Buckeye's did last year and steamroll a few Teams to the title. It's all about the PEAK!!
Barring the unforeseen, I see it:
Clemson
Alabama
Oklahoma
Big 10 Champ
Big 10 loser
Ohio State
After the dust settles I think the committee will be overjoyed with the result and the fans will be wondering about an expanded playoff. To my way of thinking there are too many quality Teams with one loss and the top two, Clemson and Alabama, are just waiting to be beaten. I sort of expect that after next week Clemson will be the only unbeaten Team with matchups for the finals being Clemson vs. Michigan State and Alabama vs. Oklahoma. That would mean the two Teams currently playing the best might meet in the final --- Michigan State vs. Clemson.
A result like that would cause internet chaos, especially if it were to end with a Spartan victory. Perhaps they would be jumping off tall buildings at ESPN where they have Wed themselves to the SEC. Bedlam would reign supreme and it would be easy to smile. Ain't College Football great??!!??
And UGA just fired our coach effective after the bowl game. Will be interesting to see who we pursue, rumor mill is Bama Defensive coordinator this morning.
Clemson(in if they win) or NC, Stanford or Ohio state.
I think this is probably more likely
Oklahoma is in and could actually be the number 1 or 2 or 3 seed. They are probably the best team in the country at the moment.
Winner of MSU vs Iowa is in. Winner maybe a 1 or 2 seed
Winner of NC vs Clemson is in. NC would come in as a 4 seed with a win and Clemson as 1 one or 2 seed with a win. You were right about NC. The committee will place them 6 or 7 or 8 this week so they can justify a leap to 4 with a win over Clemson. Exactly like OSU last year. A Conference Champ NC 12-1 would have to get in
Alabama is in with a win. An Alabama loss puts Ohio State and Stanford in play ( if they beat USC) . This is the only scenario for them. Probably Stanford as a conference champ
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Put the Buckeyes back in the top 4. There are not 4 better teams.
You are correct. There are at least 5 better teams. Maybe 6.
Iowa
MSU
Oklahoma
Alabama
Clemson
Maybe North Carolina
Whether you like it or not here is OSU's resume this year. These are all facts with zero slant.
2 wins over MAC schools
A convincing win over Michigan
A loss against MSU were OSU had 5 first downs and 132 yards at home
So one great win against Michigan.Check. Let me ask where are the other signature or nice wins?
Is it a 7-5 Penn St team?
Is it 3-10 Hawaii?
Is it 5-7 Minnesota
Is it 6-6 Indiana?
Is it 3-9 Maryland?
Is it 5-7 Illinois?
Is it 4-8 Rutgers?
Is it 6-6 Virginia Tech?
What do think are OSU's three best wins this season?
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Originally posted by: garnettstyle Playoffs should like like this:
Alabama Oklahoma(probably) Winner of MSU vs Iowa Clemson(in if they win) or NC, Stanford or Ohio state.
I think this is probably more likely
Oklahoma is in and could actually be the number 1 or 2 or 3 seed. They are probably the best team in the country at the moment.
Winner of MSU vs Iowa is in. Winner maybe a 1 or 2 seed
Winner of NC vs Clemson is in. NC would come in as a 4 seed with a win and Clemson as 1 one or 2 seed with a win. You were right about NC. The committee will place them 6 or 7 or 8 this week so they can justify a leap to 4 with a win over Clemson. Exactly like OSU last year. A Conference Champ NC 12-1 would have to get in
Alabama is in with a win. An Alabama loss puts Ohio State and Stanford in play ( if they beat USC) . This is the only scenario for them. Probably Stanford as a conference champ
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North Carolina has played 2 FCS opponents… which the committee Hates that's the real difference between the two . If Clemson loses and Stanford loses I think that will be enough. The pac12 championship will be Southern Cal which isn't making the playoffs and I don't think UNC would make it if they win the ACC. Also North Carolina lost to a pathetic South Carolina team. You don't have to be a conference champion to get in. The committees job is to get the 4 best teams in. Buckeyes are the defending champions and are 24-1 in their last 25 games. There are not 4 or more teams better than them. The MSU loss is good loss. They never trailed in the entire game.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Clemson(in if they win) or NC, Stanford or Ohio state.
I think this is probably more likely
Oklahoma is in and could actually be the number 1 or 2 or 3 seed. They are probably the best team in the country at the moment.
Winner of MSU vs Iowa is in. Winner maybe a 1 or 2 seed
Winner of NC vs Clemson is in. NC would come in as a 4 seed with a win and Clemson as 1 one or 2 seed with a win. You were right about NC. The committee will place them 6 or 7 or 8 this week so they can justify a leap to 4 with a win over Clemson. Exactly like OSU last year. A Conference Champ NC 12-1 would have to get in
Alabama is in with a win. An Alabama loss puts Ohio State and Stanford in play ( if they beat USC) . This is the only scenario for them. Probably Stanford as a conference champ
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North Carolina has played 2 FCS opponents… which the committee Hates that's the real difference between the two . If Clemson loses and Stanford loses I think that will be enough. The pac12 championship will be Southern Cal which isn't making the playoffs and I don't think UNC would make it if they win the ACC.
Also North Carolina lost to a pathetic South Carolina team. You don't have to be a conference champion to get in. The committees job is to get the 4 best teams in. Buckeyes are the defending champions and are 24-1 in their last 25 games. There are not 4 or more teams better than them. The MSU loss is good loss. They never trailed in the entire game.
It's interesting earlier in this thread you picked North Carolina to be in your final four. They already lost at SC and played the two FcS opponents when you made made that statement. So what happened garnettstyle? Why the change of heart? Now they have all these warts. Oh, it's doesn't fit your M.O. anymore now does it? Ironic if they get in instead of OSU.
I doubt the committee wants to put a third place OSU team from the Big Ten in if they don't have to. Especially with a questionable resume via their schedule. Sadly it could happen with an Alabama and Stanford loss. A 12-1 Iowa team could also be in play. Do I think OSU could play with anyone in the nation? Of course. Do they deserve to play in the final four? Of course not. Their only win against anyone in shouting distance of the top 25 was now # 19 Michigan. What was their second best win? Their third best win?
If NC wins it will be their 12 win in a row and they will have beat the number one team in the nation in a championship game. I like it. FYI we will both be rooting for a Florida win over Alabama.
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So let's see who comes closest to picking the final 4, not the 4 tomorrow but the 4 teams that make the "playoffs".
In no particular order, mine are:
Alabama
Clemson
Notre Dame
Oklahoma
I've got Iowa getting close but losing in the Big 10 Conference Champ game against the Wolverines, and the two loss Pac champ Stanford Cardinal getting left out as well. Oklahoma doing a meteoric rise up through the standings as they get way too much credit for dumping Baylor, TCU, and Okie State.
What say you? (Not about mine, but who is your projected playoff 4)
My projected 4:
Ohio State
Alabama
Stanford
North Carolina
Good vision picking North Carolina Garnettsyle. It could happen.
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All the reasoning about who should be where only leads me to believe that the committee is biased and has a schedule about who they would like to be in the two games. I personally feel it should be Conference Champions but some of them might not necessarily be the best Teams. Even with a win over Clemson I wouldn't think North Carolina is one of the four best Teams. If Florida were to beat Alabama would they be in?? I also don't think a PAC 12 Team, no matter who it is, would be one of the top four Teams. Realistically, the only Team that should have a guarantee right now is Oklahoma, but the Big 12 benefits from not having a Championship Game, unlike last year when that hurt them. Weird, isn't it??
Wouldn't it make sense if things were better organized?? If all the Teams started and finished their schedules on the same weekends?? If every Conference had a Championship Game?? In the worst nightmare available for the committee Iowa would beat MSU, Florida would beat Alabama, North Carolina would beat Clemson and USC would beat Stanford. Given that outcome, who do you think they'd pick to play in the two games?? I suppose some of the members might have a sleepless Saturday Night if that scenario plays out.
Keets in that scenario there would be rioting on the forum. I would be the one dotting the "I" in the Ohio State script ; ). Of course I would remind for whoever that you backed in ; )
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Remember, I am an Ohio State fan who believes they are one of the better Teams in the country ---BUT--- I also feel that as a non-Conference Champion they should be left out. That is the predicament I think the committee is in and why it would be crazy if either Florida or North Carolina wins. My heart says they should be in but my head knows better. I honestly can't figure out why the NCAA won't fix this already. With some simple changes that FBS schools would have to make to their conferences/programs and scheduling uniformity things would be much better. We would still have the Coaches and AP polls to argue about, but past that there would be only two points of contention: what the seeding would be and who the five "at large" Teams would be.
Given my scenario of a playoff, I think we should pick the 16 Teams that would participate, after next weekend of course. It might be a fun exercise.
Keets, in your nightmare scenario, I think I would have:
1) Oklahoma
2) Iowa
3) North Carolina
4) Clemson (or Michigan State depending on who has the "better" loss in the championship game)
I think Ohio State is dead (and should be) because not only will they not be a conference champion, they did not even win their division. Mark brings up great points about their schedule, their second best win is probably Northern Illinois.
That said, I have to ask, what are Alabama's top 2-3 wins? They are getting a lot of credit for playing a tough schedule that really just isn't true.
I'm looking forward to the bowl games as much as the playoff. There are going to be some very fun games outside of the playoffs.
As I said a few pages ago, for a one loss Team it matters more WHEN they lose and not necessarily who beats them or what the score is. Imagine that OSU had lost during the same week that Alabama did to MSU or that Alabama had lost two weeks ago instead of earlier in the season. It makes no sense.
Originally posted by: keets As I said a few pages ago, for a one loss Team it matters more WHEN they lose and not necessarily who beats them or what the score is. Imagine that OSU had lost during the same week that Alabama did to MSU or that Alabama had lost two weeks ago instead of earlier in the season. It makes no sense.
No question. Fair or not it's been that way for a long time. When subjectivity plays in it matters what happened recently.
That said, I have to ask, what are Alabama's top 2-3 wins? They are getting a lot of credit for playing a tough schedule that really just isn't true.
Alabama has beaten some solid SEC programs (UGA, A&M, LSU, Auburn, Arkansas, Miss State and UT... and Wisconsin). Alabama's schedule is light years ahead of Ohio States. I am not an SEC supporter and I do think the SEC is not as dominant as some years ago. However, I think the SEC and maybe the Pac 12 too gets too little credit for overall play of conference which causes more losses. Think Arkansas or Washington State for example. They are two dangerous teams. Alabama's win against LSU gets downplayed because LSU has turmoil and loses another game or two. That doesn't mean LSU isn't good and capable of beating anybody in the country on any given week. That doesn't take away from the fact that LSU had one of the top 5 recruiting cl*****es for like 10 years in a row and with that many good players is a really dangerous team. Having said all that the Big 10 has certainly resurrected it's name in the last 13 months and the top 4 conferences are all very close to each other now. 15 months ago the Big 10 was slipping below the ACC and down to the Mountain West level.
Alabama's schedule is light years ahead of Ohio States.
The Big 10 gets hammered for being weak, yet they played well vs. the SEC last year in Bowls and I would expect them to do the same this year. As much as the Big 10 gets called weak the SEC has the opposite hype, especially since they have the benefit of ESPN. It is comical at times how bad the bias can be. To be sure, I have followed the Big 10 since the mid-1960's and I never recall anything like the self-glorification that goes on with the SEC. But that is what it is.
To the point of Alabama's difficult schedule, why did they play the Little Sisters of the Poor the last "weak" of the season??
I'm not comparing Alabama's schedule to Ohio State's. Ohio State's was very weak. Point conceded. Look at Alabama's schedule on its own, without trying to compare it Ohio State's. Alabama's was not strong but any stretch. Their "tough schedule" keeps getting mentioned and I don't see it. You listed impressive names of teams that are usually strong, but none of those teams were good in 2015. Alabama continues to get credit for beating Georgia when they were ranked #5. But that is not a impressive opponent anymore. I think that Wisconsin is quite possibly their best win. No worse than 2nd best.
Originally posted by: keets Alabama's schedule is light years ahead of Ohio States.
The Big 10 gets hammered for being weak, yet they played well vs. the SEC last year in Bowls and I would expect them to do the same this year. As much as the Big 10 gets called weak the SEC has the opposite hype, especially since they have the benefit of ESPN. It is comical at times how bad the bias can be. To be sure, I have followed the Big 10 since the mid-1960's and I never recall anything like the self-glorification that goes on with the SEC. But that is what it is.
To the point of Alabama's difficult schedule, why did they play the Little Sisters of the Poor the last "weak" of the season??
I looked at the bowls from last year. Which are the big wins by the Big 10 other than Ohio State?
Keets...Alabama played a FCS opponent that late in the season 1) Due to 8 game SEC schedule-SEC unlike other divisions does not back load their schedule 2) In the past the week before the Auburn game was an off week(now that comes before the LSU game).
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Consider this:
Undefeated Clemson
One-loss conference champions: Alabama, Oklahoma, Michigan State
Plus a one-loss Notre Dame.
Can you say with 100% certainty than MSU is in under that scenario? I can't.
Without a doubt, MSU gets in under that scenario. You're gonna deny a 1-loss conference champion with wins over Oregon, Michigan, Ohio, and Iowa? And whose only loss was a screwjob by the refs? No chance they get left out. None.
I think you are probably right, but I'm not 100% certain. I know they are outside today and it may become a moot point if Notre Dame loses to Stanford, but I just have a hard time imagining Notre Dame of all teams being the one holding the bag on the outside.
I do agree with you that MSU should be in under this scenario. I just lack confidence in the committee.
if that were true it would almost equate to being penalized for remaining Independent
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SEC, Big 10 and Clemson (shud win) are in and ND needs some help even if they win. Now we just have to watch it unfold..
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ND needs to win and then only need one team in front of them to lose as MSU and Iowa can't both go the rest of the way undefeated. They win at Stanford and they will be in decent shape.
slim and none are first cousins of Ohio State from 2014 but I would place my money on Iowa.
One Big 12 team will be in. Oklahoma plays Oklahoma State. One of them
will complete their season with only one loss. Baylor may also complete its
season with only one loss. There will be at least one Big 12 team with only one loss.
One Big Ten team will be in. If Mich State beats Penn State, Mich State will play Iowa
in the Big Ten Championship. That team will certainly be in. If Mich State loses, the
Ohio State / Michigan winner will play Iowa. That winner will be in. OK, Iowa could
lose to Nebraska and then win the Big Ten Championship game. For ND, that is
a lot to ask for. Even with that, Iowa would be the Big Ten Conf champion with only
one loss.
It is difficult to imagine any scenario where the SEC winner will not be in.
In the ACC, Clemson might lose, but that probably helps one of the Big 12, Big Ten,
or SEC teams more than ND. Especially if Baylor
completes their season with only one loss by beating TCU and Texas.
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This format causes strange bedfollows, Go Irish, go Frogs, go Wolverines (this one is not strange, I usually root for Michigan except for when they play the Irish and I hate Ohio State, so this one is easy to cheer for, Hail to the Victors is very catchy and can grow on you (not like a fungus though)), go Huskers (more to enjoy seeing Iowa lose than Neb to win) , go Nittany Lions (can't stand Penn State either, used to enjoy Michigan State but don't like the current coach, but will be rooting for Penn State), and especially go Okie State Cowboys (Boomer Sooner has some of the friendliest fans I've experienced, and one of my future partners in my future law firm is a Sooner but if the CFB playoff committee is not going to punish them for losing to a common opponent that ND beat by over 30, then I have no choice but to root for the Cowboys)
Have never been to an actual game at TCU so looking forward to trying the concessions and seeing what the atmosphere is like. I was able to pickup what looks like 50 yard line seats for $50 so not sure how rabid the atmosphere is going to be there if tickets are that cheap. I'd bet the place is going to have a relatively large Baylor contingent with tickets that cheap.
Clemson
Big Ten Champion
Big 12 Champion
SEC Champion
Hard to see it any other way.
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I think I need two hands to count all the "ifs" and what they result in from that post!!! I guess the best thing to say is that after Saturday the picture will be almost crystal clear if............................
Iowa losing to Neb and then Iowa beating MSU would make things interesting for the Big Ten providing ND beats #9 Stanford at Stanford
I think I need two hands to count all the "ifs" and what they result in from that post!!! I guess the best thing to say is that after Saturday the picture will be almost crystal clear if............................
Of course but Iowa- Neb is a pick em. ND upsetting Stanford isn't that much of a reach.
A Clemson loss could also open a door for the Irish. Also not far fetched.
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I have to believe that whoever plays Iowa, OSU/MSU/Michigan, will win.
I have to believe that whoever plays Iowa, OSU/MSU/Michigan, will win.
Certainly the opponent will be favored, by a lot, but that's why they play the games. You never know. I am rooting for Iowa.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
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IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
OSU was up 48-14 and went for 2 and converted making the score 50-14. Woody hayes was quoted as saying "we went for 2 because we could not go for 3"
The following year, UM beat OSU 24-12 in one of the greatest upsets in the series- (probably next to the 1950 game)
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Big Ten winner - in
ACC winner - in
If Alabama wins SEC championship - in.
If Florida beats Alabama in SEC championship (not likely), Ohio State or Big Ten
championship loser in.
Oklahoma - in
Big Ten winner - in
ACC winner - in
If Alabama wins SEC championship - in.
If Florida beats Alabama in SEC championship (not likely), Ohio State or Big Ten
championship loser in.
I agree about OK and the Big Ten winner. If UNC beats Clemson I am not so sure about that.
I agree if Florida beats Alabama then that opens up some possibilities for Ohio State but not sure if a one loss Iowa or two loss MSU would get in over 2 loss Stanford.
a spot for Ohio State.
The likely four teams are:
Clemson
Oklahoma
Michigan State
Alabama
I was surprised at how close the Clemson game was and despite a great effort by Henry, the Alabama/Auburn game seemed closer than the score. I thought it turned on the inability of Auburn to sack Coker in the third quarter --- first he avoided what looked like sure death to turn 4th-and-20 into 4th-and-one, then a few plays later he runs away from two defenders to throw a dart to the endzone, really incredible!!! After that the Tide "D" exerted itself in a classic rivalry. In the MSU/Penn State game the Spartans just overwhelmed Penn. I only watched part of that but I bet Connor Cook goes high in the draft, doesn't he look pro-ready?? The way MSU is playing they might take the road the Buckeye's did last year and steamroll a few Teams to the title. It's all about the PEAK!!
Barring the unforeseen, I see it:
Clemson
Alabama
Oklahoma
Big 10 Champ
Big 10 loser
Ohio State
After the dust settles I think the committee will be overjoyed with the result and the fans will be wondering about an expanded playoff. To my way of thinking there are too many quality Teams with one loss and the top two, Clemson and Alabama, are just waiting to be beaten. I sort of expect that after next week Clemson will be the only unbeaten Team with matchups for the finals being Clemson vs. Michigan State and Alabama vs. Oklahoma. That would mean the two Teams currently playing the best might meet in the final --- Michigan State vs. Clemson.
A result like that would cause internet chaos, especially if it were to end with a Spartan victory. Perhaps they would be jumping off tall buildings at ESPN where they have Wed themselves to the SEC. Bedlam would reign supreme and it would be easy to smile. Ain't College Football great??!!??
Alabama
Oklahoma(probably)
Winner of MSU vs Iowa
Clemson(in if they win) or NC, Stanford or Ohio state.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
'Bama by 17 over Florida (seems like a lot even though Florida isn't great)
Stanford by 4 over U$C seems low since it will basically be a home game for Stanford being played at Santa Clara
Michigan State by only 3.5 over Iowa
Playoffs should like like this:
Alabama
Oklahoma(probably)
Winner of MSU vs Iowa
Clemson(in if they win) or NC, Stanford or Ohio state.
I think this is probably more likely
Oklahoma is in and could actually be the number 1 or 2 or 3 seed. They are probably the best team in the country at the moment.
Winner of MSU vs Iowa is in. Winner maybe a 1 or 2 seed
Winner of NC vs Clemson is in. NC would come in as a 4 seed with a win and Clemson as 1 one or 2 seed with a win. You were right about NC. The committee will place them 6 or 7 or 8 this week so they can justify a leap to 4 with a win over Clemson. Exactly like OSU last year. A Conference Champ NC 12-1 would have to get in
Alabama is in with a win. An Alabama loss puts Ohio State and Stanford in play ( if they beat USC) . This is the only scenario for them. Probably Stanford as a conference champ
mark
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Put the Buckeyes back in the top 4. There are not 4 better teams.
You are correct. There are at least 5 better teams. Maybe 6.
Iowa
MSU
Oklahoma
Alabama
Clemson
Maybe North Carolina
Whether you like it or not here is OSU's resume this year. These are all facts with zero slant.
2 wins over MAC schools
A convincing win over Michigan
A loss against MSU were OSU had 5 first downs and 132 yards at home
So one great win against Michigan.Check. Let me ask where are the other signature or nice wins?
Is it a 7-5 Penn St team?
Is it 3-10 Hawaii?
Is it 5-7 Minnesota
Is it 6-6 Indiana?
Is it 3-9 Maryland?
Is it 5-7 Illinois?
Is it 4-8 Rutgers?
Is it 6-6 Virginia Tech?
What do think are OSU's three best wins this season?
mark
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Playoffs should like like this:
Alabama
Oklahoma(probably)
Winner of MSU vs Iowa
Clemson(in if they win) or NC, Stanford or Ohio state.
I think this is probably more likely
Oklahoma is in and could actually be the number 1 or 2 or 3 seed. They are probably the best team in the country at the moment.
Winner of MSU vs Iowa is in. Winner maybe a 1 or 2 seed
Winner of NC vs Clemson is in. NC would come in as a 4 seed with a win and Clemson as 1 one or 2 seed with a win. You were right about NC. The committee will place them 6 or 7 or 8 this week so they can justify a leap to 4 with a win over Clemson. Exactly like OSU last year. A Conference Champ NC 12-1 would have to get in
Alabama is in with a win. An Alabama loss puts Ohio State and Stanford in play ( if they beat USC) . This is the only scenario for them. Probably Stanford as a conference champ
mark
North Carolina has played 2 FCS opponents… which the committee Hates that's the real difference between the two . If Clemson loses and Stanford loses I think that will be enough. The pac12 championship will be Southern Cal which isn't making the playoffs and I don't think UNC would make it if they win the ACC.
Also North Carolina lost to a pathetic South Carolina team. You don't have to be a conference champion to get in. The committees job is to get the 4 best teams in. Buckeyes are the defending champions and are 24-1 in their last 25 games. There are not 4 or more teams better than them. The MSU loss is good loss. They never trailed in the entire game.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Playoffs should like like this:
Alabama
Oklahoma(probably)
Winner of MSU vs Iowa
Clemson(in if they win) or NC, Stanford or Ohio state.
I think this is probably more likely
Oklahoma is in and could actually be the number 1 or 2 or 3 seed. They are probably the best team in the country at the moment.
Winner of MSU vs Iowa is in. Winner maybe a 1 or 2 seed
Winner of NC vs Clemson is in. NC would come in as a 4 seed with a win and Clemson as 1 one or 2 seed with a win. You were right about NC. The committee will place them 6 or 7 or 8 this week so they can justify a leap to 4 with a win over Clemson. Exactly like OSU last year. A Conference Champ NC 12-1 would have to get in
Alabama is in with a win. An Alabama loss puts Ohio State and Stanford in play ( if they beat USC) . This is the only scenario for them. Probably Stanford as a conference champ
mark
North Carolina has played 2 FCS opponents… which the committee Hates that's the real difference between the two . If Clemson loses and Stanford loses I think that will be enough. The pac12 championship will be Southern Cal which isn't making the playoffs and I don't think UNC would make it if they win the ACC.
Also North Carolina lost to a pathetic South Carolina team. You don't have to be a conference champion to get in. The committees job is to get the 4 best teams in. Buckeyes are the defending champions and are 24-1 in their last 25 games. There are not 4 or more teams better than them. The MSU loss is good loss. They never trailed in the entire game.
It's interesting earlier in this thread you picked North Carolina to be in your final four. They already lost at SC and played the two FcS opponents when you made made that statement. So what happened garnettstyle? Why the change of heart? Now they have all these warts. Oh, it's doesn't fit your M.O. anymore now does it? Ironic if they get in instead of OSU.
I doubt the committee wants to put a third place OSU team from the Big Ten in if they don't have to. Especially with a questionable resume via their schedule. Sadly it could happen with an Alabama and Stanford loss. A 12-1 Iowa team could also be in play. Do I think OSU could play with anyone in the nation? Of course. Do they deserve to play in the final four? Of course not. Their only win against anyone in shouting distance of the top 25 was now # 19 Michigan. What was their second best win? Their third best win?
If NC wins it will be their 12 win in a row and they will have beat the number one team in the nation in a championship game. I like it. FYI we will both be rooting for a Florida win over Alabama.
mark
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So let's see who comes closest to picking the final 4, not the 4 tomorrow but the 4 teams that make the "playoffs".
In no particular order, mine are:
Alabama
Clemson
Notre Dame
Oklahoma
I've got Iowa getting close but losing in the Big 10 Conference Champ game against the Wolverines, and the two loss Pac champ Stanford Cardinal getting left out as well. Oklahoma doing a meteoric rise up through the standings as they get way too much credit for dumping Baylor, TCU, and Okie State.
What say you? (Not about mine, but who is your projected playoff 4)
My projected 4:
Ohio State
Alabama
Stanford
North Carolina
Good vision picking North Carolina Garnettsyle. It could happen.
mark
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Wouldn't it make sense if things were better organized?? If all the Teams started and finished their schedules on the same weekends?? If every Conference had a Championship Game?? In the worst nightmare available for the committee Iowa would beat MSU, Florida would beat Alabama, North Carolina would beat Clemson and USC would beat Stanford. Given that outcome, who do you think they'd pick to play in the two games?? I suppose some of the members might have a sleepless Saturday Night if that scenario plays out.
mark
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Big Ten winner - in
ACC winner - in
Florida beats Alabama? Florida could still be in, or
Big Ten loser or Ohio State, or Stanford.
Given my scenario of a playoff, I think we should pick the 16 Teams that would participate, after next weekend of course. It might be a fun exercise.
1) Oklahoma
2) Iowa
3) North Carolina
4) Clemson (or Michigan State depending on who has the "better" loss in the championship game)
I think Ohio State is dead (and should be) because not only will they not be a conference champion, they did not even win their division. Mark brings up great points about their schedule, their second best win is probably Northern Illinois.
That said, I have to ask, what are Alabama's top 2-3 wins? They are getting a lot of credit for playing a tough schedule that really just isn't true.
I'm looking forward to the bowl games as much as the playoff. There are going to be some very fun games outside of the playoffs.
As I said a few pages ago, for a one loss Team it matters more WHEN they lose and not necessarily who beats them or what the score is. Imagine that OSU had lost during the same week that Alabama did to MSU or that Alabama had lost two weeks ago instead of earlier in the season. It makes no sense.
No question. Fair or not it's been that way for a long time. When subjectivity plays in it matters what happened recently.
That said, I have to ask, what are Alabama's top 2-3 wins? They are getting a lot of credit for playing a tough schedule that really just isn't true.
Alabama has beaten some solid SEC programs (UGA, A&M, LSU, Auburn, Arkansas, Miss State and UT... and Wisconsin). Alabama's schedule is light years ahead of Ohio States. I am not an SEC supporter and I do think the SEC is not as dominant as some years ago. However, I think the SEC and maybe the Pac 12 too gets too little credit for overall play of conference which causes more losses. Think Arkansas or Washington State for example. They are two dangerous teams. Alabama's win against LSU gets downplayed because LSU has turmoil and loses another game or two. That doesn't mean LSU isn't good and capable of beating anybody in the country on any given week. That doesn't take away from the fact that LSU had one of the top 5 recruiting cl*****es for like 10 years in a row and with that many good players is a really dangerous team. Having said all that the Big 10 has certainly resurrected it's name in the last 13 months and the top 4 conferences are all very close to each other now. 15 months ago the Big 10 was slipping below the ACC and down to the Mountain West level.
The Big 10 gets hammered for being weak, yet they played well vs. the SEC last year in Bowls and I would expect them to do the same this year. As much as the Big 10 gets called weak the SEC has the opposite hype, especially since they have the benefit of ESPN. It is comical at times how bad the bias can be. To be sure, I have followed the Big 10 since the mid-1960's and I never recall anything like the self-glorification that goes on with the SEC. But that is what it is.
To the point of Alabama's difficult schedule, why did they play the Little Sisters of the Poor the last "weak" of the season??
Alabama's schedule is light years ahead of Ohio States.
The Big 10 gets hammered for being weak, yet they played well vs. the SEC last year in Bowls and I would expect them to do the same this year. As much as the Big 10 gets called weak the SEC has the opposite hype, especially since they have the benefit of ESPN. It is comical at times how bad the bias can be. To be sure, I have followed the Big 10 since the mid-1960's and I never recall anything like the self-glorification that goes on with the SEC. But that is what it is.
To the point of Alabama's difficult schedule, why did they play the Little Sisters of the Poor the last "weak" of the season??
I looked at the bowls from last year. Which are the big wins by the Big 10 other than Ohio State?
http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls