Originally posted by: garnettstyle Colin Cowherd's top 5.
1. Clemson 2. Oklahoma 3. Michigan state 4. Ohio state 5. Alabama
Cowturd will say anythinng for ratings.
He's an sec homer admitting the sec is not one the best conferences and the Big 10 is the best.
Cowturd a SEC homer? ...Obviously you know as much about football reporting as you do football in general. This guy constantly downgrades the SEC.
Obviously you're the one who knows nothing. He praised the sec every year and bashed the Big 10 before he went to Fox. Why wouldn't he downgrade the sec now? They are down this year.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Originally posted by: PM770 Last year, the top three Big Ten teams all won their bowl games and Ohio State won two.
3 teams does not make a conference "successful" in their bowls or does it make a conference "great" or "deep." This article is sort of interesting though. It indicates the Big 10 was only 5-5 but were underdogs in all their games last year.
The Pac-12 is 6-2 overall, including a 5-1 record by the Pac-12 teams ranked in the top 25 by the college football playoff selection committee.
The SEC, meanwhile, is 7-5 overall, second best among the major conferences. But the SEC's seven ranked teams were 2-5 in bowl play, including losses by No. 1 Alabama, No. 7 Mississippi State and No. 9 Mississippi.
The Big Ten, underdogs in all 10 of its bowl games, finished 5-5, including wins by its three highest ranked teams - No. 4 Ohio State, No. 8 Michigan State and No. 18 Wisconsin.
Originally posted by: PM770 Last year, the top three Big Ten teams all won their bowl games and Ohio State won two.
3 teams does not make a conference "successful" in their bowls or does it make a conference "great" or "deep." This article is sort of interesting though. It indicates the Big 10 was only 5-5 but were underdogs in all their games last year.
The Pac-12 is 6-2 overall, including a 5-1 record by the Pac-12 teams ranked in the top 25 by the college football playoff selection committee.
The SEC, meanwhile, is 7-5 overall, second best among the major conferences. But the SEC's seven ranked teams were 2-5 in bowl play, including losses by No. 1 Alabama, No. 7 Mississippi State and No. 9 Mississippi.
The Big Ten, underdogs in all 10 of its bowl games, finished 5-5, including wins by its three highest ranked teams - No. 4 Ohio State, No. 8 Michigan State and No. 18 Wisconsin.
Clemson(in if they win) or NC, Stanford or Ohio state.
I think this is probably more likely
Oklahoma is in and could actually be the number 1 or 2 or 3 seed. They are probably the best team in the country at the moment.
Winner of MSU vs Iowa is in. Winner maybe a 1 or 2 seed
Winner of NC vs Clemson is in. NC would come in as a 4 seed with a win and Clemson as 1 one or 2 seed with a win. You were right about NC. The committee will place them 6 or 7 or 8 this week so they can justify a leap to 4 with a win over Clemson. Exactly like OSU last year. A Conference Champ NC 12-1 would have to get in
Alabama is in with a win. An Alabama loss puts Ohio State and Stanford in play ( if they beat USC) . This is the only scenario for them. Probably Stanford as a conference champ
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North Carolina has played 2 FCS opponents… which the committee Hates that's the real difference between the two . If Clemson loses and Stanford loses I think that will be enough. The pac12 championship will be Southern Cal which isn't making the playoffs and I don't think UNC would make it if they win the ACC.
Also North Carolina lost to a pathetic South Carolina team. You don't have to be a conference champion to get in. The committees job is to get the 4 best teams in. Buckeyes are the defending champions and are 24-1 in their last 25 games. There are not 4 or more teams better than them. The MSU loss is good loss. They never trailed in the entire game.
It's interesting earlier in this thread you picked North Carolina to be in your final four. They already lost at SC and played the two FcS opponents when you made made that statement. So what happened garnettstyle? Why the change of heart? Now they have all these warts. Oh, it's doesn't fit your M.O. anymore now does it? Ironic if they get in instead of OSU.
I doubt the committee wants to put a third place OSU team from the Big Ten in if they don't have to. Especially with a questionable resume via their schedule. Sadly it could happen with an Alabama and Stanford loss. A 12-1 Iowa team could also be in play. Do I think OSU could play with anyone in the nation? Of course. Do they deserve to play in the final four? Of course not. Their only win against anyone in shouting distance of the top 25 was now # 19 Michigan. What was their second best win? Their third best win?
If NC wins it will be their 12 win in a row and they will have beat the number one team in the nation in a championship game. I like it. FYI we will both be rooting for a Florida win over Alabama.
Garnettstyle, you aren't going to answer are you? What the change of heart? And what about OSU's top three wins. What were those again?
Go Gators!!
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Originally posted by: garnettstyle Playoffs should like like this:
Alabama Oklahoma(probably) Winner of MSU vs Iowa Clemson(in if they win) or NC, Stanford or Ohio state.
I think this is probably more likely
Oklahoma is in and could actually be the number 1 or 2 or 3 seed. They are probably the best team in the country at the moment.
Winner of MSU vs Iowa is in. Winner maybe a 1 or 2 seed
Winner of NC vs Clemson is in. NC would come in as a 4 seed with a win and Clemson as 1 one or 2 seed with a win. You were right about NC. The committee will place them 6 or 7 or 8 this week so they can justify a leap to 4 with a win over Clemson. Exactly like OSU last year. A Conference Champ NC 12-1 would have to get in
Alabama is in with a win. An Alabama loss puts Ohio State and Stanford in play ( if they beat USC) . This is the only scenario for them. Probably Stanford as a conference champ
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North Carolina has played 2 FCS opponents… which the committee Hates that's the real difference between the two . If Clemson loses and Stanford loses I think that will be enough. The pac12 championship will be Southern Cal which isn't making the playoffs and I don't think UNC would make it if they win the ACC. Also North Carolina lost to a pathetic South Carolina team. You don't have to be a conference champion to get in. The committees job is to get the 4 best teams in. Buckeyes are the defending champions and are 24-1 in their last 25 games. There are not 4 or more teams better than them. The MSU loss is good loss. They never trailed in the entire game.
It's interesting earlier in this thread you picked North Carolina to be in your final four. They already lost at SC and played the two FcS opponents when you made made that statement. So what happened garnettstyle? Why the change of heart? Now they have all these warts. Oh, it's doesn't fit your M.O. anymore now does it? Ironic if they get in instead of OSU.
I doubt the committee wants to put a third place OSU team from the Big Ten in if they don't have to. Especially with a questionable resume via their schedule. Sadly it could happen with an Alabama and Stanford loss. A 12-1 Iowa team could also be in play. Do I think OSU could play with anyone in the nation? Of course. Do they deserve to play in the final four? Of course not. Their only win against anyone in shouting distance of the top 25 was now # 19 Michigan. What was their second best win? Their third best win?
If NC wins it will be their 12 win in a row and they will have beat the number one team in the nation in a championship game. I like it. FYI we will both be rooting for a Florida win over Alabama.
Judging on how the Poll movement has gone this year(Coaches and AP) if Clemson and/or Alabama loses they should drop out of the top four. However, this committee doesn't seem to function that way due to their agenda. I look at it like this: if you're playing in your Conference Championship with a place in the National Championship Poll at stake and you lose to a lower ranked Team you probably don't deserve a place in those two games.
this is a tired type of comparison that a long ago NFL TV analyst put to rest. suppose that Pittsburgh beats Cleveland by 10 points, Cleveland beats Baltimore by 10 points and Baltimore beats Pittsburgh by 10 points.
does this mean that Pittsburgh is 30 points better than themselves??
Alabama beat Wisconsin 35 - 17 Wisconsin beat Nebraska 23 - 21 Nebraska beat Michigan St 39 - 38 Michigan St beat Ohio St 17 - 14
this is a tired type of comparison that a long ago NFL TV analyst put to rest. suppose that Pittsburgh beats Cleveland by 10 points, Cleveland beats Baltimore by 10 points and Baltimore beats Pittsburgh by 10 points.
does this mean that Pittsburgh is 30 points better than themselves??
being a Browns fan and given the outcome of last might's game I suppose I should have used other Teams in my example!! I wonder if the Harbaugh brothers spoke last night or at least enjoyed an ironic tweet at game's end. that one was really weird.
After hearing Jeff Long tonight, I am thinking Ohio State gets in if Clemson loses. He stated that North Carolina is only at #10 because they played against 2 FCS teams and lost to one of the worst sec teams. I cant see them putting a 2 loss Stanford over Ohio State considering Stanford lost to the Big 10's fifth best team.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Ohio State could back in . It's entirely possible. They will need Stanford to lose as well. As far as I can see OSU doesn't play this weekend. Stanford does and would likely jump them. OSU best hope is Florida beating Alabama. Otherwise it's prayer time. Still can't see them putting the Big Tens third best team in with only one win against a top. 25 team and only two wins against Power 5 teams with a winning record. ( Michigan and Penn State). But I have to admit stranger things have happened.
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Clemson(in if they win) or NC, Stanford or Ohio state.
I think this is probably more likely
Oklahoma is in and could actually be the number 1 or 2 or 3 seed. They are probably the best team in the country at the moment.
Winner of MSU vs Iowa is in. Winner maybe a 1 or 2 seed
Winner of NC vs Clemson is in. NC would come in as a 4 seed with a win and Clemson as 1 one or 2 seed with a win. You were right about NC. The committee will place them 6 or 7 or 8 this week so they can justify a leap to 4 with a win over Clemson. Exactly like OSU last year. A Conference Champ NC 12-1 would have to get in
Alabama is in with a win. An Alabama loss puts Ohio State and Stanford in play ( if they beat USC) . This is the only scenario for them. Probably Stanford as a conference champ
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North Carolina has played 2 FCS opponents… which the committee Hates that's the real difference between the two . If Clemson loses and Stanford loses I think that will be enough. The pac12 championship will be Southern Cal which isn't making the playoffs and I don't think UNC would make it if they win the ACC.
Also North Carolina lost to a pathetic South Carolina team. You don't have to be a conference champion to get in. The committees job is to get the 4 best teams in. Buckeyes are the defending champions and are 24-1 in their last 25 games. There are not 4 or more teams better than them. The MSU loss is good loss. They never trailed in the entire game.
It's interesting earlier in this thread you picked North Carolina to be in your final four. They already lost at SC and played the two FcS opponents when you made made that statement. So what happened garnettstyle? Why the change of heart? Now they have all these warts. Oh, it's doesn't fit your M.O. anymore now does it? Ironic if they get in instead of OSU.
I doubt the committee wants to put a third place OSU team from the Big Ten in if they don't have to. Especially with a questionable resume via their schedule. Sadly it could happen with an Alabama and Stanford loss. A 12-1 Iowa team could also be in play. Do I think OSU could play with anyone in the nation? Of course. Do they deserve to play in the final four? Of course not. Their only win against anyone in shouting distance of the top 25 was now # 19 Michigan. What was their second best win? Their third best win?
If NC wins it will be their 12 win in a row and they will have beat the number one team in the nation in a championship game. I like it. FYI we will both be rooting for a Florida win over Alabama.
Garnettstyle, you aren't going to answer are you? What the change of heart? And what about OSU's top three wins. What were those again?
Go Gators!!
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Michigan, Northern Illinois , Virginia tech
Northern Illinois is playing for the MAC championship this Saturday.
Who has Alabama beat?
That's your resume! Wow.
Alabama has actually beat twice as many teams as Ohio State in the CFP Top 25. Plus they beat Wisconsin.
With a 2-0 record against the MAC this year maybe OSU should be playing No Illinios in that Championship game.
Pray for Florida beating Alabama this weekend
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Originally posted by: garnettstyle Playoffs should like like this:
Alabama Oklahoma(probably) Winner of MSU vs Iowa Clemson(in if they win) or NC, Stanford or Ohio state.
I think this is probably more likely
Oklahoma is in and could actually be the number 1 or 2 or 3 seed. They are probably the best team in the country at the moment.
Winner of MSU vs Iowa is in. Winner maybe a 1 or 2 seed
Winner of NC vs Clemson is in. NC would come in as a 4 seed with a win and Clemson as 1 one or 2 seed with a win. You were right about NC. The committee will place them 6 or 7 or 8 this week so they can justify a leap to 4 with a win over Clemson. Exactly like OSU last year. A Conference Champ NC 12-1 would have to get in
Alabama is in with a win. An Alabama loss puts Ohio State and Stanford in play ( if they beat USC) . This is the only scenario for them. Probably Stanford as a conference champ
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North Carolina has played 2 FCS opponents… which the committee Hates that's the real difference between the two . If Clemson loses and Stanford loses I think that will be enough. The pac12 championship will be Southern Cal which isn't making the playoffs and I don't think UNC would make it if they win the ACC. Also North Carolina lost to a pathetic South Carolina team. You don't have to be a conference champion to get in. The committees job is to get the 4 best teams in. Buckeyes are the defending champions and are 24-1 in their last 25 games. There are not 4 or more teams better than them. The MSU loss is good loss. They never trailed in the entire game.
It's interesting earlier in this thread you picked North Carolina to be in your final four. They already lost at SC and played the two FcS opponents when you made made that statement. So what happened garnettstyle? Why the change of heart? Now they have all these warts. Oh, it's doesn't fit your M.O. anymore now does it? Ironic if they get in instead of OSU.
I doubt the committee wants to put a third place OSU team from the Big Ten in if they don't have to. Especially with a questionable resume via their schedule. Sadly it could happen with an Alabama and Stanford loss. A 12-1 Iowa team could also be in play. Do I think OSU could play with anyone in the nation? Of course. Do they deserve to play in the final four? Of course not. Their only win against anyone in shouting distance of the top 25 was now # 19 Michigan. What was their second best win? Their third best win?
If NC wins it will be their 12 win in a row and they will have beat the number one team in the nation in a championship game. I like it. FYI we will both be rooting for a Florida win over Alabama.
Garnettstyle, you aren't going to answer are you? What the change of heart? And what about OSU's top three wins. What were those again?
Go Gators!!
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Michigan, Northern Illinois , Virginia tech
Northern Illinois is playing for the MAC championship this Saturday.
Who has Alabama beat?
That's your resume! Wow.
Alabama has actually beat twice as many teams as Ohio State in the CFP Top 25. Plus they beat Wisconsin.
With a 2-0 record against the MAC this year maybe OSU should be playing No Illinios in that Championship game.
Pray for Florida beating Alabama this weekend
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They don't need Stanford to lose. Why should they get a jump for beating a 4 loss USC team? Plus Ohio state has a better record and play in the strongest conference.
I also disagree that Ohio state is the 3rd best team. Most people agree that Iowa would lose to Ohio State. Ohio State also has a better win AND a better loss than Alabama.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Clemson(in if they win) or NC, Stanford or Ohio state.
I think this is probably more likely
Oklahoma is in and could actually be the number 1 or 2 or 3 seed. They are probably the best team in the country at the moment.
Winner of MSU vs Iowa is in. Winner maybe a 1 or 2 seed
Winner of NC vs Clemson is in. NC would come in as a 4 seed with a win and Clemson as 1 one or 2 seed with a win. You were right about NC. The committee will place them 6 or 7 or 8 this week so they can justify a leap to 4 with a win over Clemson. Exactly like OSU last year. A Conference Champ NC 12-1 would have to get in
Alabama is in with a win. An Alabama loss puts Ohio State and Stanford in play ( if they beat USC) . This is the only scenario for them. Probably Stanford as a conference champ
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North Carolina has played 2 FCS opponents… which the committee Hates that's the real difference between the two . If Clemson loses and Stanford loses I think that will be enough. The pac12 championship will be Southern Cal which isn't making the playoffs and I don't think UNC would make it if they win the ACC.
Also North Carolina lost to a pathetic South Carolina team. You don't have to be a conference champion to get in. The committees job is to get the 4 best teams in. Buckeyes are the defending champions and are 24-1 in their last 25 games. There are not 4 or more teams better than them. The MSU loss is good loss. They never trailed in the entire game.
It's interesting earlier in this thread you picked North Carolina to be in your final four. They already lost at SC and played the two FcS opponents when you made made that statement. So what happened garnettstyle? Why the change of heart? Now they have all these warts. Oh, it's doesn't fit your M.O. anymore now does it? Ironic if they get in instead of OSU.
I doubt the committee wants to put a third place OSU team from the Big Ten in if they don't have to. Especially with a questionable resume via their schedule. Sadly it could happen with an Alabama and Stanford loss. A 12-1 Iowa team could also be in play. Do I think OSU could play with anyone in the nation? Of course. Do they deserve to play in the final four? Of course not. Their only win against anyone in shouting distance of the top 25 was now # 19 Michigan. What was their second best win? Their third best win?
If NC wins it will be their 12 win in a row and they will have beat the number one team in the nation in a championship game. I like it. FYI we will both be rooting for a Florida win over Alabama.
Garnettstyle, you aren't going to answer are you? What the change of heart? And what about OSU's top three wins. What were those again?
Go Gators!!
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Michigan, Northern Illinois , Virginia tech
Northern Illinois is playing for the MAC championship this Saturday.
Who has Alabama beat?
That's your resume! Wow.
Alabama has actually beat twice as many teams as Ohio State in the CFP Top 25. Plus they beat Wisconsin.
With a 2-0 record against the MAC this year maybe OSU should be playing No Illinios in that Championship game.
Pray for Florida beating Alabama this weekend
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They don't need Stanford to lose. Why should they get a jump for beating a 4 loss USC team? Plus Ohio state has a better record and play in the strongest conference.
I also disagree that Ohio state is the 3rd best team. Most people agree that Iowa would lose to Ohio State. Ohio State also has a better win AND a better loss than Alabama.
Most people agree? How do you know that? Why does that even matter? Who cares that you disagree? You WILL NOT be playing Iowa on the field where it only matters. You had exactly one good win. That's your entire season. Good grief. You lost to a 14 point underdog at home without MSU's best player participating. Anyways you will be watching the Big Team championship game and not playing in it. Hard to fathom getting into the CFP playoffs when you couldn't even get into your own conferences playoff game. I guess you could back in.
Last year you made the case that the Big 12 didn't deserve a team in the playoffs as they didn't have a championship game. Well the big Ten does you you ain't in it. You predicted NC would be in the final,four and now you say they are tainted.
A little tidbit. Single-Game Flop of the Year: Ohio State. Good as the Spartans were in Ohio State, that’s how inept the Buckeyes were. Seemingly unable to adjust to weather conditions or Michigan State’s defense, Urban Meyer’s team basically unraveled as the game went along. Then it got worse afterward, when star running back Ezekiel Elliott ripped the play-calling and turned pro at the same time. Ohio State rebounded impressively against Michigan, but the damage was done. After a season of coasting against outmanned competition, it blew the big test.
You are truly a piece of work.
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Originally posted by: garnettstyle Playoffs should like like this:
Alabama Oklahoma(probably) Winner of MSU vs Iowa Clemson(in if they win) or NC, Stanford or Ohio state.
I think this is probably more likely
Oklahoma is in and could actually be the number 1 or 2 or 3 seed. They are probably the best team in the country at the moment.
Winner of MSU vs Iowa is in. Winner maybe a 1 or 2 seed
Winner of NC vs Clemson is in. NC would come in as a 4 seed with a win and Clemson as 1 one or 2 seed with a win. You were right about NC. The committee will place them 6 or 7 or 8 this week so they can justify a leap to 4 with a win over Clemson. Exactly like OSU last year. A Conference Champ NC 12-1 would have to get in
Alabama is in with a win. An Alabama loss puts Ohio State and Stanford in play ( if they beat USC) . This is the only scenario for them. Probably Stanford as a conference champ
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North Carolina has played 2 FCS opponents… which the committee Hates that's the real difference between the two . If Clemson loses and Stanford loses I think that will be enough. The pac12 championship will be Southern Cal which isn't making the playoffs and I don't think UNC would make it if they win the ACC. Also North Carolina lost to a pathetic South Carolina team. You don't have to be a conference champion to get in. The committees job is to get the 4 best teams in. Buckeyes are the defending champions and are 24-1 in their last 25 games. There are not 4 or more teams better than them. The MSU loss is good loss. They never trailed in the entire game.
It's interesting earlier in this thread you picked North Carolina to be in your final four. They already lost at SC and played the two FcS opponents when you made made that statement. So what happened garnettstyle? Why the change of heart? Now they have all these warts. Oh, it's doesn't fit your M.O. anymore now does it? Ironic if they get in instead of OSU.
I doubt the committee wants to put a third place OSU team from the Big Ten in if they don't have to. Especially with a questionable resume via their schedule. Sadly it could happen with an Alabama and Stanford loss. A 12-1 Iowa team could also be in play. Do I think OSU could play with anyone in the nation? Of course. Do they deserve to play in the final four? Of course not. Their only win against anyone in shouting distance of the top 25 was now # 19 Michigan. What was their second best win? Their third best win?
If NC wins it will be their 12 win in a row and they will have beat the number one team in the nation in a championship game. I like it. FYI we will both be rooting for a Florida win over Alabama.
Garnettstyle, you aren't going to answer are you? What the change of heart? And what about OSU's top three wins. What were those again?
Go Gators!!
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Michigan, Northern Illinois , Virginia tech
Northern Illinois is playing for the MAC championship this Saturday.
Who has Alabama beat?
That's your resume! Wow.
Alabama has actually beat twice as many teams as Ohio State in the CFP Top 25. Plus they beat Wisconsin.
With a 2-0 record against the MAC this year maybe OSU should be playing No Illinios in that Championship game.
Pray for Florida beating Alabama this weekend
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They don't need Stanford to lose. Why should they get a jump for beating a 4 loss USC team? Plus Ohio state has a better record and play in the strongest conference.
I also disagree that Ohio state is the 3rd best team. Most people agree that Iowa would lose to Ohio State. Ohio State also has a better win AND a better loss than Alabama.
Most people agree? How do you know that? Why does that even matter? Who cares. You WILL NOT be playing Iowa on the field where it only matters. You had exactly one good win. That's your entire season. Good grief. You lost to a 14 point underdog at home without MSU's best player participating. Anyways you will be watching the Big Team championship game and not playing in it. Hard to fathom getting into the CFP playoffs when you couldn't even get into your own conferences playoff game. I guess you could back in.
Last year you made the case that the Big 12 didn't deserve a team in the playoffs as they didn't have a championship game. Well the big Ten does you you ain't in it. You predicted NC would be in the final,four and now you say they are tainted.
You are a piece of work.
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Yes you are a Ohio State hater, we all get it. You act as if the Michigan state loss was a bad loss. The truth of the matter is..its hard to win 25 straight games. It rarely happens. The Buckeyes are 24-1 in their last 25 games. They deserve a chance to defend their title. The have 5 wins over bowl eligible teams and destroyed a top 15 team. As for UNC, I think they will have a case to get in after they beat Clemson. The big question is, will the committee look past their 2 games against FCS opponents?
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
A little tidbit. Single-Game Flop of the Year: Ohio State. Good as the Spartans were in Ohio State, that’s how inept the Buckeyes were. Seemingly unable to adjust to weather conditions or Michigan State’s defense, Urban Meyer’s team
To be sure, I think the frustration exhibited by the players after the MSU loss is a fairly sound indication that it was a Coaching loss and not the fault of the players. That might sound strange, but it also explains to a degree what was happening all season with the Jones/Barett experiment. When we as fans are sitting in our living rooms and hollering at the TV about play calling and personnel choices.....................'nuff said. Almost everyone I talked to during the season knew that the QB should be Barett.
To the Poll and my assessment:
1 Clemson (12-0)
2 Alabama (11-1)
3 Oklahoma (11-1)
4 Iowa (12-0)
5 Michigan State (11-1)
6 Ohio State (11-1)
7 Stanford (10-2)
8 Notre Dame (10-2)
9 Florida State (10-2)
10 North Carolina (11-1)
I think that no matter what happens it will be a committee decision from the current top six Teams for the 1-4 spots next week. The means a very avidly watched College Football weekend like there hasn't been before. Right off the top with 8-10 I believe it is clear that Notre Dame is out no matter what happens, they really needed to win last week. Florida State and North Carolina would both be tough choices even if they win, but that may be a choice of the committee for "Diversity" in the Playoff instead of the best Teams. It is also a longshot that they would both win.
To my way of thinking the fans of Oklahoma are already done celebrating and the Iowa/MSU fans are holding their breath. That will take care of one of the two games, but thereafter it gets tricky with OSU as the wild card. If Iowa wins it is unrealistic to expect a placement ahead of MSU, but if the Spartans win the Buckeyes still have hope. If Stanford wins they are in(provided one or both of the top two loses), but if they lose the OSU fans will start to chant, how loud will depend on what Alabama did in the early game and what Clemson is doing in the late game. The latter two Teams not only control their own destiny but also that of Ohio State. If either loses it is possible the Buckeyes might get in, if both lose it is probable dependent on how the other games shake out.
I think "we" as fans put so much stock in wins/losses and "big" wins create momentum in the standings and are fandom (see Michigan State). Though strength of schedule gets mentioned I think it gets short shrift. Would Iowa be 12-0 if they played UCLA's schedule for example? I tend to doubt it. I had been guilty of this myself recently disregarding Stanford with their two losses. However, as I think more about it they lost to two decent teams (Oregon and NW) but they beat several very good teams (Utah, UCLA, USC and ND). The NW loss was a shock to them as they clearly weren't ready for NW to be better than they expected. NW's future opponents were ready! Oregon has been peaking lately so that loss is hardly a bad loss. Plus the low level Pac 12 teams like Cal, UW and Washington State are all tough. I could see the committee jumping Stanford up to 4 if Clemson or Alabama lose.
Originally posted by: larryallen73 I think "we" as fans put so much stock in wins/losses and "big" wins create momentum in the standings and are fandom (see Michigan State). Though strength of schedule gets mentioned I think it gets short shrift. Would Iowa be 12-0 if they played UCLA's schedule for example? I tend to doubt it. I had been guilty of this myself recently disregarding Stanford with their two losses. However, as I think more about it they lost to two decent teams (Oregon and NW) but they beat several very good teams (Utah, UCLA, USC and ND). The NW loss was a shock to them as they clearly weren't ready for NW to be better than they expected. NW's future opponents were ready! Oregon has been peaking lately so that loss is hardly a bad loss. Plus the low level Pac 12 teams like Cal, UW and Washington State are all tough. I could see the committee jumping Stanford up to 4 if Clemson or Alabama lose.
I just think a 2 loss team should not be ranked ahead of any one loss team. Stanford lost to the big 10's 5th best team. I think Iowa would have an easy road if they had UCLA's schedule because the Pac 12 has no teams with great defenses. Stanford barely beat a struggling Notre Dame who was overwhelmed with injuries. If they make the playoffs, they will be exposed.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Wow there is no love to Iowa here. I would love to see Iowa win this weekend. What happens if Clemson and Alabama lose AND Iowa wins? Do they get the #1 seed? Crazier things have happened.
This popped up on my facebook wall today and I thought I'd post it here in case any of you Buckeyes fans were interested you could contact the guy that makes them. He does neat stuff. He goes by Paul Nichols Sports Art on FB.
Originally posted by: FavreFan1971 Wow there is no love to Iowa here. I would love to see Iowa win this weekend. What happens if Clemson and Alabama lose AND Iowa wins? Do they get the #1 seed? Crazier things have happened.
I love Iowa. My buddy is a big booster and I was going to go to Indy this weekend with him but opted to hold out for the playoff bowl game if they make it. Your scenario is great. Not likely but that's why they play the games!
Interesting results in the blind test. Actually kind of logical.
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Clemson(in if they win) or NC, Stanford or Ohio state.
I think this is probably more likely
Oklahoma is in and could actually be the number 1 or 2 or 3 seed. They are probably the best team in the country at the moment.
Winner of MSU vs Iowa is in. Winner maybe a 1 or 2 seed
Winner of NC vs Clemson is in. NC would come in as a 4 seed with a win and Clemson as 1 one or 2 seed with a win. You were right about NC. The committee will place them 6 or 7 or 8 this week so they can justify a leap to 4 with a win over Clemson. Exactly like OSU last year. A Conference Champ NC 12-1 would have to get in
Alabama is in with a win. An Alabama loss puts Ohio State and Stanford in play ( if they beat USC) . This is the only scenario for them. Probably Stanford as a conference champ
mark
North Carolina has played 2 FCS opponents… which the committee Hates that's the real difference between the two . If Clemson loses and Stanford loses I think that will be enough. The pac12 championship will be Southern Cal which isn't making the playoffs and I don't think UNC would make it if they win the ACC.
Also North Carolina lost to a pathetic South Carolina team. You don't have to be a conference champion to get in. The committees job is to get the 4 best teams in. Buckeyes are the defending champions and are 24-1 in their last 25 games. There are not 4 or more teams better than them. The MSU loss is good loss. They never trailed in the entire game.
It's interesting earlier in this thread you picked North Carolina to be in your final four. They already lost at SC and played the two FcS opponents when you made made that statement. So what happened garnettstyle? Why the change of heart? Now they have all these warts. Oh, it's doesn't fit your M.O. anymore now does it? Ironic if they get in instead of OSU.
I doubt the committee wants to put a third place OSU team from the Big Ten in if they don't have to. Especially with a questionable resume via their schedule. Sadly it could happen with an Alabama and Stanford loss. A 12-1 Iowa team could also be in play. Do I think OSU could play with anyone in the nation? Of course. Do they deserve to play in the final four? Of course not. Their only win against anyone in shouting distance of the top 25 was now # 19 Michigan. What was their second best win? Their third best win?
If NC wins it will be their 12 win in a row and they will have beat the number one team in the nation in a championship game. I like it. FYI we will both be rooting for a Florida win over Alabama.
Garnettstyle, you aren't going to answer are you? What the change of heart? And what about OSU's top three wins. What were those again?
Go Gators!!
mark
Michigan, Northern Illinois , Virginia tech
Northern Illinois is playing for the MAC championship this Saturday.
Who has Alabama beat?
That's your resume! Wow.
Alabama has actually beat twice as many teams as Ohio State in the CFP Top 25. Plus they beat Wisconsin.
With a 2-0 record against the MAC this year maybe OSU should be playing No Illinios in that Championship game.
Pray for Florida beating Alabama this weekend
mark
They don't need Stanford to lose. Why should they get a jump for beating a 4 loss USC team? Plus Ohio state has a better record and play in the strongest conference.
I also disagree that Ohio state is the 3rd best team. Most people agree that Iowa would lose to Ohio State. Ohio State also has a better win AND a better loss than Alabama.
Most people agree? How do you know that? Why does that even matter? Who cares. You WILL NOT be playing Iowa on the field where it only matters. You had exactly one good win. That's your entire season. Good grief. You lost to a 14 point underdog at home without MSU's best player participating. Anyways you will be watching the Big Team championship game and not playing in it. Hard to fathom getting into the CFP playoffs when you couldn't even get into your own conferences playoff game. I guess you could back in.
Last year you made the case that the Big 12 didn't deserve a team in the playoffs as they didn't have a championship game. Well the big Ten does you you ain't in it. You predicted NC would be in the final,four and now you say they are tainted.
You are a piece of work.
mark
Yes you are a Ohio State hater, we all get it. You act as if the Michigan state loss was a bad loss. The truth of the matter is..its hard to win 25 straight games. It rarely happens. The Buckeyes are 24-1 in their last 25 games. They deserve a chance to defend their title. The have 5 wins over bowl eligible teams and destroyed a top 15 team.
As for UNC, I think they will have a case to get in after they beat Clemson. The big question is, will the committee look past their 2 games against FCS opponents?
I wasn't a bad loss. It was a horrible loss. 5 first downs, 132 yards total offense at home. Anyway so those are facts you can't dispute. Your 5,wins against bowl Eligiblle teams let's look at them. Western Michigan , northern Illinois, Michigan, Psnn State 7-5, VT 6-6.......wow.just wow. Stinks pretty bad. Exactly one win ove a ranked team, one good win any one loss. That's there entire resume. Soft. Very soft
For the record I'm not an OSU hater. It's the Village idiots that can't think for themselves that drive me nuts,
Mark
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Mark, that was an interesting link that fits in well with some of the comments in this thread, especially with the manner in which the Teams seem to move around. The one aberration that I have seen is that Alabama made their "move" after they beat LSU, a win which initially impressed everyone, including me. Time has shown that SOS win should have meant very little but the bell can't be un-rung. In a way, the committee has hitched their wagon to the horse which is Alabama and now only time will tell the wisdom of that choice.
Can you take a moment from your war with garnett and answer the query from the previous page, who do you think are the four best Teams?? That is absent all the BS about schedules, quality wins, Conferences, committee agendas, Top 25 and anything else.
Originally posted by: garnettstyle Playoffs should like like this:
Alabama Oklahoma(probably) Winner of MSU vs Iowa Clemson(in if they win) or NC, Stanford or Ohio state.
I think this is probably more likely
Oklahoma is in and could actually be the number 1 or 2 or 3 seed. They are probably the best team in the country at the moment.
Winner of MSU vs Iowa is in. Winner maybe a 1 or 2 seed
Winner of NC vs Clemson is in. NC would come in as a 4 seed with a win and Clemson as 1 one or 2 seed with a win. You were right about NC. The committee will place them 6 or 7 or 8 this week so they can justify a leap to 4 with a win over Clemson. Exactly like OSU last year. A Conference Champ NC 12-1 would have to get in
Alabama is in with a win. An Alabama loss puts Ohio State and Stanford in play ( if they beat USC) . This is the only scenario for them. Probably Stanford as a conference champ
mark
North Carolina has played 2 FCS opponents… which the committee Hates that's the real difference between the two . If Clemson loses and Stanford loses I think that will be enough. The pac12 championship will be Southern Cal which isn't making the playoffs and I don't think UNC would make it if they win the ACC. Also North Carolina lost to a pathetic South Carolina team. You don't have to be a conference champion to get in. The committees job is to get the 4 best teams in. Buckeyes are the defending champions and are 24-1 in their last 25 games. There are not 4 or more teams better than them. The MSU loss is good loss. They never trailed in the entire game.
It's interesting earlier in this thread you picked North Carolina to be in your final four. They already lost at SC and played the two FcS opponents when you made made that statement. So what happened garnettstyle? Why the change of heart? Now they have all these warts. Oh, it's doesn't fit your M.O. anymore now does it? Ironic if they get in instead of OSU.
I doubt the committee wants to put a third place OSU team from the Big Ten in if they don't have to. Especially with a questionable resume via their schedule. Sadly it could happen with an Alabama and Stanford loss. A 12-1 Iowa team could also be in play. Do I think OSU could play with anyone in the nation? Of course. Do they deserve to play in the final four? Of course not. Their only win against anyone in shouting distance of the top 25 was now # 19 Michigan. What was their second best win? Their third best win?
If NC wins it will be their 12 win in a row and they will have beat the number one team in the nation in a championship game. I like it. FYI we will both be rooting for a Florida win over Alabama.
Garnettstyle, you aren't going to answer are you? What the change of heart? And what about OSU's top three wins. What were those again?
Go Gators!!
mark
Michigan, Northern Illinois , Virginia tech
Northern Illinois is playing for the MAC championship this Saturday.
Who has Alabama beat?
That's your resume! Wow.
Alabama has actually beat twice as many teams as Ohio State in the CFP Top 25. Plus they beat Wisconsin.
With a 2-0 record against the MAC this year maybe OSU should be playing No Illinios in that Championship game.
Pray for Florida beating Alabama this weekend
mark
They don't need Stanford to lose. Why should they get a jump for beating a 4 loss USC team? Plus Ohio state has a better record and play in the strongest conference.
I also disagree that Ohio state is the 3rd best team. Most people agree that Iowa would lose to Ohio State. Ohio State also has a better win AND a better loss than Alabama.
Most people agree? How do you know that? Why does that even matter? Who cares. You WILL NOT be playing Iowa on the field where it only matters. You had exactly one good win. That's your entire season. Good grief. You lost to a 14 point underdog at home without MSU's best player participating. Anyways you will be watching the Big Team championship game and not playing in it. Hard to fathom getting into the CFP playoffs when you couldn't even get into your own conferences playoff game. I guess you could back in.
Last year you made the case that the Big 12 didn't deserve a team in the playoffs as they didn't have a championship game. Well the big Ten does you you ain't in it. You predicted NC would be in the final,four and now you say they are tainted.
You are a piece of work.
mark
Yes you are a Ohio State hater, we all get it. You act as if the Michigan state loss was a bad loss. The truth of the matter is..its hard to win 25 straight games. It rarely happens. The Buckeyes are 24-1 in their last 25 games. They deserve a chance to defend their title. The have 5 wins over bowl eligible teams and destroyed a top 15 team. As for UNC, I think they will have a case to get in after they beat Clemson. The big question is, will the committee look past their 2 games against FCS opponents?
I wasn't a bad loss. It was a horrible loss. 5 first downs, 132 yards total offense at home. Anyway so those are facts you can't dispute. Your 5,wins against bowl Eligiblle teams let's look at them. Western Michigan , northern Illinois, Michigan, Psnn State 7-5, VT 6-6.......wow.just wow. Stinks pretty bad. Exactly one win ove a ranked team, one good win any one loss. That's there entire resume. Soft. Very soft
For the record I'm not an OSU hater. It's the Village idiots that can't think for themselves that drive me nuts,
Mark
You obviously know nothing about football. Anyone who has ever played football in their life knows that bad weather affects play. That means low scoring and lower stats. Its just a fact. Want another fact. Buckeyes are ranked #6 in the country in ALL 3 polls and still have a shot at the playoffs. So knock them for their schedule all you want they must be pretty good to be ranked so high going in the last week of the season.
And thanks for pointing out western Michigan, so that makes 6 wins against bowl teams because you forgot to mention Indiana.
And by the way Western Michigan is a good win. They just beat a top 25 team last Saturday. So you might want to give up the Ohio State bashing. You're not doing too well.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Nice summary of Ohio State from ESPN. I know they are SEC bias, blah, blah, blah.... It's still interesting:
Grade: B-
If the committee judges Ohio State based only on its body of work, there's no way the Buckeyes should be in the top four unless Stanford and either Alabama or Clemson lose. It's an average résumé that includes just one win against a ranked team and only two wins against Power 5 teams with records over .500. There's no questioning the talent on the roster, but the staff was not able to maximize that talent for the bulk of the season, and the players didn't always execute when they were put in positions to succeed. Since the team won't play for the Big Ten title, the committee will need ample reasons to justify putting the Buckeyes in ahead of a conference champion.
Of the Four that most of us tend to agree on I think Oklahoma has been playing the best along with MSU. The layoff till January will probably take that edge away, another reason for an expanded playoff to keep the Teams playing at a consistent level
Originally posted by: larryallen73 Nice summary of Ohio State from ESPN. I know they are SEC bias, blah, blah, blah.... It's still interesting:
Grade: B-
If the committee judges Ohio State based only on its body of work, there's no way the Buckeyes should be in the top four unless Stanford and either Alabama or Clemson lose. It's an average résumé that includes just one win against a ranked team and only two wins against Power 5 teams with records over .500. There's no questioning the talent on the roster, but the staff was not able to maximize that talent for the bulk of the season, and the players didn't always execute when they were put in positions to succeed. Since the team won't play for the Big Ten title, the committee will need ample reasons to justify putting the Buckeyes in ahead of a conference champion.
Haha didn't maximize their talent. Funny. Ohio State were more dominating than they were last year. They have a top 10 defense that is only giving up 12 points a game.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Comments
1. Clemson
2. Oklahoma
3. Michigan state
4. Ohio state
5. Alabama
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Colin Cowherd's top 5.
1. Clemson
2. Oklahoma
3. Michigan state
4. Ohio state
5. Alabama
Cowturd will say anything for ratings.
Colin Cowherd's top 5.
1. Clemson
2. Oklahoma
3. Michigan state
4. Ohio state
5. Alabama
Cowturd will say anythinng for ratings.
He's an sec homer admitting the sec is not one the best conferences and the Big 10 is the best.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Colin Cowherd's top 5.
1. Clemson
2. Oklahoma
3. Michigan state
4. Ohio state
5. Alabama
Cowturd will say anythinng for ratings.
He's an sec homer admitting the sec is not one the best conferences and the Big 10 is the best.
Cowturd a SEC homer? ...Obviously you know as much about football reporting as you do football in general. This guy constantly downgrades the SEC.
Phylis
Colin Cowherd's top 5.
1. Clemson
2. Oklahoma
3. Michigan state
4. Ohio state
5. Alabama
Cowturd will say anythinng for ratings.
He's an sec homer admitting the sec is not one the best conferences and the Big 10 is the best.
Cowturd a SEC homer? ...Obviously you know as much about football reporting as you do football in general. This guy constantly downgrades the SEC.
Obviously you're the one who knows nothing. He praised the sec every year and bashed the Big 10 before he went to Fox. Why wouldn't he downgrade the sec now? They are down this year.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Last year, the top three Big Ten teams all won their bowl games and Ohio State won two.
3 teams does not make a conference "successful" in their bowls or does it make a conference "great" or "deep." This article is sort of interesting though. It indicates the Big 10 was only 5-5 but were underdogs in all their games last year.
The Pac-12 is 6-2 overall, including a 5-1 record by the Pac-12 teams ranked in the top 25 by the college football playoff selection committee.
The SEC, meanwhile, is 7-5 overall, second best among the major conferences. But the SEC's seven ranked teams were 2-5 in bowl play, including losses by No. 1 Alabama, No. 7 Mississippi State and No. 9 Mississippi.
The Big Ten, underdogs in all 10 of its bowl games, finished 5-5, including wins by its three highest ranked teams - No. 4 Ohio State, No. 8 Michigan State and No. 18 Wisconsin.
http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2015/01/conference_bowl_records_2014-1_1.html
Last year, the top three Big Ten teams all won their bowl games and Ohio State won two.
3 teams does not make a conference "successful" in their bowls or does it make a conference "great" or "deep." This article is sort of interesting though. It indicates the Big 10 was only 5-5 but were underdogs in all their games last year.
The Pac-12 is 6-2 overall, including a 5-1 record by the Pac-12 teams ranked in the top 25 by the college football playoff selection committee.
The SEC, meanwhile, is 7-5 overall, second best among the major conferences. But the SEC's seven ranked teams were 2-5 in bowl play, including losses by No. 1 Alabama, No. 7 Mississippi State and No. 9 Mississippi.
The Big Ten, underdogs in all 10 of its bowl games, finished 5-5, including wins by its three highest ranked teams - No. 4 Ohio State, No. 8 Michigan State and No. 18 Wisconsin.
http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2015/01/conference_bowl_records_2014-1_1.html
If you include the National championship game, the Big 10 were 6-5 and the Pac 12 were 6-3.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Playoffs should like like this:
Alabama
Oklahoma(probably)
Winner of MSU vs Iowa
Clemson(in if they win) or NC, Stanford or Ohio state.
I think this is probably more likely
Oklahoma is in and could actually be the number 1 or 2 or 3 seed. They are probably the best team in the country at the moment.
Winner of MSU vs Iowa is in. Winner maybe a 1 or 2 seed
Winner of NC vs Clemson is in. NC would come in as a 4 seed with a win and Clemson as 1 one or 2 seed with a win. You were right about NC. The committee will place them 6 or 7 or 8 this week so they can justify a leap to 4 with a win over Clemson. Exactly like OSU last year. A Conference Champ NC 12-1 would have to get in
Alabama is in with a win. An Alabama loss puts Ohio State and Stanford in play ( if they beat USC) . This is the only scenario for them. Probably Stanford as a conference champ
mark
North Carolina has played 2 FCS opponents… which the committee Hates that's the real difference between the two . If Clemson loses and Stanford loses I think that will be enough. The pac12 championship will be Southern Cal which isn't making the playoffs and I don't think UNC would make it if they win the ACC.
Also North Carolina lost to a pathetic South Carolina team. You don't have to be a conference champion to get in. The committees job is to get the 4 best teams in. Buckeyes are the defending champions and are 24-1 in their last 25 games. There are not 4 or more teams better than them. The MSU loss is good loss. They never trailed in the entire game.
It's interesting earlier in this thread you picked North Carolina to be in your final four. They already lost at SC and played the two FcS opponents when you made made that statement. So what happened garnettstyle? Why the change of heart? Now they have all these warts. Oh, it's doesn't fit your M.O. anymore now does it? Ironic if they get in instead of OSU.
I doubt the committee wants to put a third place OSU team from the Big Ten in if they don't have to. Especially with a questionable resume via their schedule. Sadly it could happen with an Alabama and Stanford loss. A 12-1 Iowa team could also be in play. Do I think OSU could play with anyone in the nation? Of course. Do they deserve to play in the final four? Of course not. Their only win against anyone in shouting distance of the top 25 was now # 19 Michigan. What was their second best win? Their third best win?
If NC wins it will be their 12 win in a row and they will have beat the number one team in the nation in a championship game. I like it. FYI we will both be rooting for a Florida win over Alabama.
mark
like I was saying
Garnettstyle, you aren't going to answer are you? What the change of heart? And what about OSU's top three wins. What were those again?
Go Gators!!
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
What is on Michigan's helmets? Have they started copying their rivals schtick?
Helmet stickers. Hardly a new thing at Michigan, they just haven't done them in a while.
Playoffs should like like this:
Alabama
Oklahoma(probably)
Winner of MSU vs Iowa
Clemson(in if they win) or NC, Stanford or Ohio state.
I think this is probably more likely
Oklahoma is in and could actually be the number 1 or 2 or 3 seed. They are probably the best team in the country at the moment.
Winner of MSU vs Iowa is in. Winner maybe a 1 or 2 seed
Winner of NC vs Clemson is in. NC would come in as a 4 seed with a win and Clemson as 1 one or 2 seed with a win. You were right about NC. The committee will place them 6 or 7 or 8 this week so they can justify a leap to 4 with a win over Clemson. Exactly like OSU last year. A Conference Champ NC 12-1 would have to get in
Alabama is in with a win. An Alabama loss puts Ohio State and Stanford in play ( if they beat USC) . This is the only scenario for them. Probably Stanford as a conference champ
mark
North Carolina has played 2 FCS opponents… which the committee Hates that's the real difference between the two . If Clemson loses and Stanford loses I think that will be enough. The pac12 championship will be Southern Cal which isn't making the playoffs and I don't think UNC would make it if they win the ACC.
Also North Carolina lost to a pathetic South Carolina team. You don't have to be a conference champion to get in. The committees job is to get the 4 best teams in. Buckeyes are the defending champions and are 24-1 in their last 25 games. There are not 4 or more teams better than them. The MSU loss is good loss. They never trailed in the entire game.
It's interesting earlier in this thread you picked North Carolina to be in your final four. They already lost at SC and played the two FcS opponents when you made made that statement. So what happened garnettstyle? Why the change of heart? Now they have all these warts. Oh, it's doesn't fit your M.O. anymore now does it? Ironic if they get in instead of OSU.
I doubt the committee wants to put a third place OSU team from the Big Ten in if they don't have to. Especially with a questionable resume via their schedule. Sadly it could happen with an Alabama and Stanford loss. A 12-1 Iowa team could also be in play. Do I think OSU could play with anyone in the nation? Of course. Do they deserve to play in the final four? Of course not. Their only win against anyone in shouting distance of the top 25 was now # 19 Michigan. What was their second best win? Their third best win?
If NC wins it will be their 12 win in a row and they will have beat the number one team in the nation in a championship game. I like it. FYI we will both be rooting for a Florida win over Alabama.
mark
like I was saying
Garnettstyle, you aren't going to answer are you? What the change of heart? And what about OSU's top three wins. What were those again?
Go Gators!!
mark
Michigan, Northern Illinois , Virginia tech
Northern Illinois is playing for the MAC championship this Saturday.
Who has Alabama beat?
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
loss like the other top teams. Could Clemson still be in?
Imagine Clemson loses 23-22 and there is a bad call in the 4th Quarter.
Remember Oklahoma in 2003? They got blown out 35-7 by Kansas State in
the Big 12 Championship game and still went to the BCS Championship.
Alabama beat Wisconsin 35 - 17
Wisconsin beat Nebraska 23 - 21
Nebraska beat Michigan St 39 - 38
Michigan St beat Ohio St 17 - 14
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/14261790/ohio-state-buckeyes-test-value-not-having-conference-title
Alabama beat Wisconsin 35 - 17
Wisconsin beat Nebraska 23 - 21
Nebraska beat Michigan St 39 - 38
Michigan St beat Ohio St 17 - 14
this is a tired type of comparison that a long ago NFL TV analyst put to rest. suppose that Pittsburgh beats Cleveland by 10 points, Cleveland beats Baltimore by 10 points and Baltimore beats Pittsburgh by 10 points.
does this mean that Pittsburgh is 30 points better than themselves??
Neat synopsis.
Alabama beat Wisconsin 35 - 17
Wisconsin beat Nebraska 23 - 21
Nebraska beat Michigan St 39 - 38
Michigan St beat Ohio St 17 - 14
this is a tired type of comparison that a long ago NFL TV analyst put to rest. suppose that Pittsburgh beats Cleveland by 10 points, Cleveland beats Baltimore by 10 points and Baltimore beats Pittsburgh by 10 points.
does this mean that Pittsburgh is 30 points better than themselves??
I think he was joking.
ESPN article
Interesting article on espn:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/14261790/ohio-state-buckeyes-test-value-not-having-conference-title
Cool, even the SEC homer Paul Finebaum thinks Ohio State should be in the playoffs if Clemson loses.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
being a Browns fan and given the outcome of last might's game I suppose I should have used other Teams in my example!!
Neat synopsis.
Alabama beat Wisconsin 35 - 17
Wisconsin beat Nebraska 23 - 21
Nebraska beat Michigan St 39 - 38
Michigan St beat Ohio St 17 - 14
Here's one going the other way
Ohio State beat Northern Illinois
Northern Illinois beat Toledo
Toledo beat Arkansas
Arkansas beat Mississippi
Mississippi beat Alabama
I had fun with a friend of mine:
Ohio State lost to Virginia Tech who lost to Pitt who lost to Akron. Therefore the Akron Zips are the rightful national champs! (I'm a Zips fan)
Neat synopsis.
Alabama beat Wisconsin 35 - 17
Wisconsin beat Nebraska 23 - 21
Nebraska beat Michigan St 39 - 38
Michigan St beat Ohio St 17 - 14
Here's one going the other way
Ohio State beat Northern Illinois
Northern Illinois beat Toledo
Toledo beat Arkansas
Arkansas beat Mississippi
Mississippi beat Alabama
I had fun with a friend of mine:
Ohio State lost to Virginia Tech who lost to Pitt who lost to Akron. Therefore the Akron Zips are the rightful national champs! (I'm a Zips fan)
Lol.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Playoffs should like like this:
Alabama
Oklahoma(probably)
Winner of MSU vs Iowa
Clemson(in if they win) or NC, Stanford or Ohio state.
I think this is probably more likely
Oklahoma is in and could actually be the number 1 or 2 or 3 seed. They are probably the best team in the country at the moment.
Winner of MSU vs Iowa is in. Winner maybe a 1 or 2 seed
Winner of NC vs Clemson is in. NC would come in as a 4 seed with a win and Clemson as 1 one or 2 seed with a win. You were right about NC. The committee will place them 6 or 7 or 8 this week so they can justify a leap to 4 with a win over Clemson. Exactly like OSU last year. A Conference Champ NC 12-1 would have to get in
Alabama is in with a win. An Alabama loss puts Ohio State and Stanford in play ( if they beat USC) . This is the only scenario for them. Probably Stanford as a conference champ
mark
North Carolina has played 2 FCS opponents… which the committee Hates that's the real difference between the two . If Clemson loses and Stanford loses I think that will be enough. The pac12 championship will be Southern Cal which isn't making the playoffs and I don't think UNC would make it if they win the ACC.
Also North Carolina lost to a pathetic South Carolina team. You don't have to be a conference champion to get in. The committees job is to get the 4 best teams in. Buckeyes are the defending champions and are 24-1 in their last 25 games. There are not 4 or more teams better than them. The MSU loss is good loss. They never trailed in the entire game.
It's interesting earlier in this thread you picked North Carolina to be in your final four. They already lost at SC and played the two FcS opponents when you made made that statement. So what happened garnettstyle? Why the change of heart? Now they have all these warts. Oh, it's doesn't fit your M.O. anymore now does it? Ironic if they get in instead of OSU.
I doubt the committee wants to put a third place OSU team from the Big Ten in if they don't have to. Especially with a questionable resume via their schedule. Sadly it could happen with an Alabama and Stanford loss. A 12-1 Iowa team could also be in play. Do I think OSU could play with anyone in the nation? Of course. Do they deserve to play in the final four? Of course not. Their only win against anyone in shouting distance of the top 25 was now # 19 Michigan. What was their second best win? Their third best win?
If NC wins it will be their 12 win in a row and they will have beat the number one team in the nation in a championship game. I like it. FYI we will both be rooting for a Florida win over Alabama.
mark
like I was saying
Garnettstyle, you aren't going to answer are you? What the change of heart? And what about OSU's top three wins. What were those again?
Go Gators!!
mark
Michigan, Northern Illinois , Virginia tech
Northern Illinois is playing for the MAC championship this Saturday.
Who has Alabama beat?
That's your resume! Wow.
Alabama has actually beat twice as many teams as Ohio State in the CFP Top 25. Plus they beat Wisconsin.
With a 2-0 record against the MAC this year maybe OSU should be playing No Illinios in that Championship game.
Pray for Florida beating Alabama this weekend
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Playoffs should like like this:
Alabama
Oklahoma(probably)
Winner of MSU vs Iowa
Clemson(in if they win) or NC, Stanford or Ohio state.
I think this is probably more likely
Oklahoma is in and could actually be the number 1 or 2 or 3 seed. They are probably the best team in the country at the moment.
Winner of MSU vs Iowa is in. Winner maybe a 1 or 2 seed
Winner of NC vs Clemson is in. NC would come in as a 4 seed with a win and Clemson as 1 one or 2 seed with a win. You were right about NC. The committee will place them 6 or 7 or 8 this week so they can justify a leap to 4 with a win over Clemson. Exactly like OSU last year. A Conference Champ NC 12-1 would have to get in
Alabama is in with a win. An Alabama loss puts Ohio State and Stanford in play ( if they beat USC) . This is the only scenario for them. Probably Stanford as a conference champ
mark
North Carolina has played 2 FCS opponents… which the committee Hates that's the real difference between the two . If Clemson loses and Stanford loses I think that will be enough. The pac12 championship will be Southern Cal which isn't making the playoffs and I don't think UNC would make it if they win the ACC.
Also North Carolina lost to a pathetic South Carolina team. You don't have to be a conference champion to get in. The committees job is to get the 4 best teams in. Buckeyes are the defending champions and are 24-1 in their last 25 games. There are not 4 or more teams better than them. The MSU loss is good loss. They never trailed in the entire game.
It's interesting earlier in this thread you picked North Carolina to be in your final four. They already lost at SC and played the two FcS opponents when you made made that statement. So what happened garnettstyle? Why the change of heart? Now they have all these warts. Oh, it's doesn't fit your M.O. anymore now does it? Ironic if they get in instead of OSU.
I doubt the committee wants to put a third place OSU team from the Big Ten in if they don't have to. Especially with a questionable resume via their schedule. Sadly it could happen with an Alabama and Stanford loss. A 12-1 Iowa team could also be in play. Do I think OSU could play with anyone in the nation? Of course. Do they deserve to play in the final four? Of course not. Their only win against anyone in shouting distance of the top 25 was now # 19 Michigan. What was their second best win? Their third best win?
If NC wins it will be their 12 win in a row and they will have beat the number one team in the nation in a championship game. I like it. FYI we will both be rooting for a Florida win over Alabama.
mark
like I was saying
Garnettstyle, you aren't going to answer are you? What the change of heart? And what about OSU's top three wins. What were those again?
Go Gators!!
mark
Michigan, Northern Illinois , Virginia tech
Northern Illinois is playing for the MAC championship this Saturday.
Who has Alabama beat?
That's your resume! Wow.
Alabama has actually beat twice as many teams as Ohio State in the CFP Top 25. Plus they beat Wisconsin.
With a 2-0 record against the MAC this year maybe OSU should be playing No Illinios in that Championship game.
Pray for Florida beating Alabama this weekend
mark
They don't need Stanford to lose. Why should they get a jump for beating a 4 loss USC team? Plus Ohio state has a better record and play in the strongest conference.
I also disagree that Ohio state is the 3rd best team. Most people agree that Iowa would lose to Ohio State. Ohio State also has a better win AND a better loss than Alabama.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Playoffs should like like this:
Alabama
Oklahoma(probably)
Winner of MSU vs Iowa
Clemson(in if they win) or NC, Stanford or Ohio state.
I think this is probably more likely
Oklahoma is in and could actually be the number 1 or 2 or 3 seed. They are probably the best team in the country at the moment.
Winner of MSU vs Iowa is in. Winner maybe a 1 or 2 seed
Winner of NC vs Clemson is in. NC would come in as a 4 seed with a win and Clemson as 1 one or 2 seed with a win. You were right about NC. The committee will place them 6 or 7 or 8 this week so they can justify a leap to 4 with a win over Clemson. Exactly like OSU last year. A Conference Champ NC 12-1 would have to get in
Alabama is in with a win. An Alabama loss puts Ohio State and Stanford in play ( if they beat USC) . This is the only scenario for them. Probably Stanford as a conference champ
mark
North Carolina has played 2 FCS opponents… which the committee Hates that's the real difference between the two . If Clemson loses and Stanford loses I think that will be enough. The pac12 championship will be Southern Cal which isn't making the playoffs and I don't think UNC would make it if they win the ACC.
Also North Carolina lost to a pathetic South Carolina team. You don't have to be a conference champion to get in. The committees job is to get the 4 best teams in. Buckeyes are the defending champions and are 24-1 in their last 25 games. There are not 4 or more teams better than them. The MSU loss is good loss. They never trailed in the entire game.
It's interesting earlier in this thread you picked North Carolina to be in your final four. They already lost at SC and played the two FcS opponents when you made made that statement. So what happened garnettstyle? Why the change of heart? Now they have all these warts. Oh, it's doesn't fit your M.O. anymore now does it? Ironic if they get in instead of OSU.
I doubt the committee wants to put a third place OSU team from the Big Ten in if they don't have to. Especially with a questionable resume via their schedule. Sadly it could happen with an Alabama and Stanford loss. A 12-1 Iowa team could also be in play. Do I think OSU could play with anyone in the nation? Of course. Do they deserve to play in the final four? Of course not. Their only win against anyone in shouting distance of the top 25 was now # 19 Michigan. What was their second best win? Their third best win?
If NC wins it will be their 12 win in a row and they will have beat the number one team in the nation in a championship game. I like it. FYI we will both be rooting for a Florida win over Alabama.
mark
like I was saying
Garnettstyle, you aren't going to answer are you? What the change of heart? And what about OSU's top three wins. What were those again?
Go Gators!!
mark
Michigan, Northern Illinois , Virginia tech
Northern Illinois is playing for the MAC championship this Saturday.
Who has Alabama beat?
That's your resume! Wow.
Alabama has actually beat twice as many teams as Ohio State in the CFP Top 25. Plus they beat Wisconsin.
With a 2-0 record against the MAC this year maybe OSU should be playing No Illinios in that Championship game.
Pray for Florida beating Alabama this weekend
mark
They don't need Stanford to lose. Why should they get a jump for beating a 4 loss USC team? Plus Ohio state has a better record and play in the strongest conference.
I also disagree that Ohio state is the 3rd best team. Most people agree that Iowa would lose to Ohio State. Ohio State also has a better win AND a better loss than Alabama.
Most people agree? How do you know that? Why does that even matter? Who cares that you disagree? You WILL NOT be playing Iowa on the field where it only matters. You had exactly one good win. That's your entire season. Good grief. You lost to a 14 point underdog at home without MSU's best player participating. Anyways you will be watching the Big Team championship game and not playing in it. Hard to fathom getting into the CFP playoffs when you couldn't even get into your own conferences playoff game. I guess you could back in.
Last year you made the case that the Big 12 didn't deserve a team in the playoffs as they didn't have a championship game. Well the big Ten does you you ain't in it. You predicted NC would be in the final,four and now you say they are tainted.
A little tidbit. Single-Game Flop of the Year: Ohio State. Good as the Spartans were in Ohio State, that’s how inept the Buckeyes were. Seemingly unable to adjust to weather conditions or Michigan State’s defense, Urban Meyer’s team basically unraveled as the game went along. Then it got worse afterward, when star running back Ezekiel Elliott ripped the play-calling and turned pro at the same time. Ohio State rebounded impressively against Michigan, but the damage was done. After a season of coasting against outmanned competition, it blew the big test.
You are truly a piece of work.
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Playoffs should like like this:
Alabama
Oklahoma(probably)
Winner of MSU vs Iowa
Clemson(in if they win) or NC, Stanford or Ohio state.
I think this is probably more likely
Oklahoma is in and could actually be the number 1 or 2 or 3 seed. They are probably the best team in the country at the moment.
Winner of MSU vs Iowa is in. Winner maybe a 1 or 2 seed
Winner of NC vs Clemson is in. NC would come in as a 4 seed with a win and Clemson as 1 one or 2 seed with a win. You were right about NC. The committee will place them 6 or 7 or 8 this week so they can justify a leap to 4 with a win over Clemson. Exactly like OSU last year. A Conference Champ NC 12-1 would have to get in
Alabama is in with a win. An Alabama loss puts Ohio State and Stanford in play ( if they beat USC) . This is the only scenario for them. Probably Stanford as a conference champ
mark
North Carolina has played 2 FCS opponents… which the committee Hates that's the real difference between the two . If Clemson loses and Stanford loses I think that will be enough. The pac12 championship will be Southern Cal which isn't making the playoffs and I don't think UNC would make it if they win the ACC.
Also North Carolina lost to a pathetic South Carolina team. You don't have to be a conference champion to get in. The committees job is to get the 4 best teams in. Buckeyes are the defending champions and are 24-1 in their last 25 games. There are not 4 or more teams better than them. The MSU loss is good loss. They never trailed in the entire game.
It's interesting earlier in this thread you picked North Carolina to be in your final four. They already lost at SC and played the two FcS opponents when you made made that statement. So what happened garnettstyle? Why the change of heart? Now they have all these warts. Oh, it's doesn't fit your M.O. anymore now does it? Ironic if they get in instead of OSU.
I doubt the committee wants to put a third place OSU team from the Big Ten in if they don't have to. Especially with a questionable resume via their schedule. Sadly it could happen with an Alabama and Stanford loss. A 12-1 Iowa team could also be in play. Do I think OSU could play with anyone in the nation? Of course. Do they deserve to play in the final four? Of course not. Their only win against anyone in shouting distance of the top 25 was now # 19 Michigan. What was their second best win? Their third best win?
If NC wins it will be their 12 win in a row and they will have beat the number one team in the nation in a championship game. I like it. FYI we will both be rooting for a Florida win over Alabama.
mark
like I was saying
Garnettstyle, you aren't going to answer are you? What the change of heart? And what about OSU's top three wins. What were those again?
Go Gators!!
mark
Michigan, Northern Illinois , Virginia tech
Northern Illinois is playing for the MAC championship this Saturday.
Who has Alabama beat?
That's your resume! Wow.
Alabama has actually beat twice as many teams as Ohio State in the CFP Top 25. Plus they beat Wisconsin.
With a 2-0 record against the MAC this year maybe OSU should be playing No Illinios in that Championship game.
Pray for Florida beating Alabama this weekend
mark
They don't need Stanford to lose. Why should they get a jump for beating a 4 loss USC team? Plus Ohio state has a better record and play in the strongest conference.
I also disagree that Ohio state is the 3rd best team. Most people agree that Iowa would lose to Ohio State. Ohio State also has a better win AND a better loss than Alabama.
Most people agree? How do you know that? Why does that even matter? Who cares. You WILL NOT be playing Iowa on the field where it only matters. You had exactly one good win. That's your entire season. Good grief. You lost to a 14 point underdog at home without MSU's best player participating. Anyways you will be watching the Big Team championship game and not playing in it. Hard to fathom getting into the CFP playoffs when you couldn't even get into your own conferences playoff game. I guess you could back in.
Last year you made the case that the Big 12 didn't deserve a team in the playoffs as they didn't have a championship game. Well the big Ten does you you ain't in it. You predicted NC would be in the final,four and now you say they are tainted.
You are a piece of work.
mark
Yes you are a Ohio State hater, we all get it. You act as if the Michigan state loss was a bad loss. The truth of the matter is..its hard to win 25 straight games. It rarely happens. The Buckeyes are 24-1 in their last 25 games. They deserve a chance to defend their title. The have 5 wins over bowl eligible teams and destroyed a top 15 team.
As for UNC, I think they will have a case to get in after they beat Clemson. The big question is, will the committee look past their 2 games against FCS opponents?
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
To be sure, I think the frustration exhibited by the players after the MSU loss is a fairly sound indication that it was a Coaching loss and not the fault of the players. That might sound strange, but it also explains to a degree what was happening all season with the Jones/Barett experiment. When we as fans are sitting in our living rooms and hollering at the TV about play calling and personnel choices.....................'nuff said. Almost everyone I talked to during the season knew that the QB should be Barett.
To the Poll and my assessment:
1 Clemson (12-0)
2 Alabama (11-1)
3 Oklahoma (11-1)
4 Iowa (12-0)
5 Michigan State (11-1)
6 Ohio State (11-1)
7 Stanford (10-2)
8 Notre Dame (10-2)
9 Florida State (10-2)
10 North Carolina (11-1)
I think that no matter what happens it will be a committee decision from the current top six Teams for the 1-4 spots next week. The means a very avidly watched College Football weekend like there hasn't been before. Right off the top with 8-10 I believe it is clear that Notre Dame is out no matter what happens, they really needed to win last week. Florida State and North Carolina would both be tough choices even if they win, but that may be a choice of the committee for "Diversity" in the Playoff instead of the best Teams. It is also a longshot that they would both win.
To my way of thinking the fans of Oklahoma are already done celebrating and the Iowa/MSU fans are holding their breath. That will take care of one of the two games, but thereafter it gets tricky with OSU as the wild card. If Iowa wins it is unrealistic to expect a placement ahead of MSU, but if the Spartans win the Buckeyes still have hope. If Stanford wins they are in(provided one or both of the top two loses), but if they lose the OSU fans will start to chant, how loud will depend on what Alabama did in the early game and what Clemson is doing in the late game. The latter two Teams not only control their own destiny but also that of Ohio State. If either loses it is possible the Buckeyes might get in, if both lose it is probable dependent on how the other games shake out.
It is highly likely that the Top four will be:
1 Clemson (12-0)
2 Alabama (11-1)
3 Oklahoma (11-1)
4 Michigan State (11-1)
With a complete disaster it could be:
1 Oklahoma (11-1)
2 Michigan State (12-1)
3
4 Ohio State (11-1)
and Alabama lose.
North Carolina would almost certainly be in by beating the number 1 team
and winning the ACC. Even though the committee (correctly) considers the
Big Ten and SEC to be the best conferences.
The Big Ten winner will be in. Big Ten loser or Ohio State would be alive
for a spot. Which team would depend on what the championship looked like.
Clemson in a close loss would be alive. Stanford with a Pac 12 win would be alive.
Alabama would also be alive, depending what the SEC Championship looked like.
That gives you Oklahoma, NC, Big Ten winner, team 4. (Ohio State, Big Ten loser, Clemson, Alabama, Stanford).
Who do I think are the 4 best teams right now?
Michigan State, Alabama, Oklahoma, Clemson. 5th is Ohio State.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
I think "we" as fans put so much stock in wins/losses and "big" wins create momentum in the standings and are fandom (see Michigan State). Though strength of schedule gets mentioned I think it gets short shrift. Would Iowa be 12-0 if they played UCLA's schedule for example? I tend to doubt it. I had been guilty of this myself recently disregarding Stanford with their two losses. However, as I think more about it they lost to two decent teams (Oregon and NW) but they beat several very good teams (Utah, UCLA, USC and ND). The NW loss was a shock to them as they clearly weren't ready for NW to be better than they expected. NW's future opponents were ready! Oregon has been peaking lately so that loss is hardly a bad loss. Plus the low level Pac 12 teams like Cal, UW and Washington State are all tough. I could see the committee jumping Stanford up to 4 if Clemson or Alabama lose.
I just think a 2 loss team should not be ranked ahead of any one loss team. Stanford lost to the big 10's 5th best team. I think Iowa would have an easy road if they had UCLA's schedule because the Pac 12 has no teams with great defenses. Stanford barely beat a struggling Notre Dame who was overwhelmed with injuries. If they make the playoffs, they will be exposed.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
in no special order:
Alabama
Clemson
Michigan State
Ohio State and Oklahoma as a toss-up.
I think the Team which seems at its peak is Oklahoma.
Wow there is no love to Iowa here. I would love to see Iowa win this weekend. What happens if Clemson and Alabama lose AND Iowa wins? Do they get the #1 seed? Crazier things have happened.
I love Iowa. My buddy is a big booster and I was going to go to Indy this weekend with him but opted to hold out for the playoff bowl game if they make it. Your scenario is great. Not likely but that's why they play the games!
Interesting results in the blind test. Actually kind of logical.
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Playoffs should like like this:
Alabama
Oklahoma(probably)
Winner of MSU vs Iowa
Clemson(in if they win) or NC, Stanford or Ohio state.
I think this is probably more likely
Oklahoma is in and could actually be the number 1 or 2 or 3 seed. They are probably the best team in the country at the moment.
Winner of MSU vs Iowa is in. Winner maybe a 1 or 2 seed
Winner of NC vs Clemson is in. NC would come in as a 4 seed with a win and Clemson as 1 one or 2 seed with a win. You were right about NC. The committee will place them 6 or 7 or 8 this week so they can justify a leap to 4 with a win over Clemson. Exactly like OSU last year. A Conference Champ NC 12-1 would have to get in
Alabama is in with a win. An Alabama loss puts Ohio State and Stanford in play ( if they beat USC) . This is the only scenario for them. Probably Stanford as a conference champ
mark
North Carolina has played 2 FCS opponents… which the committee Hates that's the real difference between the two . If Clemson loses and Stanford loses I think that will be enough. The pac12 championship will be Southern Cal which isn't making the playoffs and I don't think UNC would make it if they win the ACC.
Also North Carolina lost to a pathetic South Carolina team. You don't have to be a conference champion to get in. The committees job is to get the 4 best teams in. Buckeyes are the defending champions and are 24-1 in their last 25 games. There are not 4 or more teams better than them. The MSU loss is good loss. They never trailed in the entire game.
It's interesting earlier in this thread you picked North Carolina to be in your final four. They already lost at SC and played the two FcS opponents when you made made that statement. So what happened garnettstyle? Why the change of heart? Now they have all these warts. Oh, it's doesn't fit your M.O. anymore now does it? Ironic if they get in instead of OSU.
I doubt the committee wants to put a third place OSU team from the Big Ten in if they don't have to. Especially with a questionable resume via their schedule. Sadly it could happen with an Alabama and Stanford loss. A 12-1 Iowa team could also be in play. Do I think OSU could play with anyone in the nation? Of course. Do they deserve to play in the final four? Of course not. Their only win against anyone in shouting distance of the top 25 was now # 19 Michigan. What was their second best win? Their third best win?
If NC wins it will be their 12 win in a row and they will have beat the number one team in the nation in a championship game. I like it. FYI we will both be rooting for a Florida win over Alabama.
mark
like I was saying
Garnettstyle, you aren't going to answer are you? What the change of heart? And what about OSU's top three wins. What were those again?
Go Gators!!
mark
Michigan, Northern Illinois , Virginia tech
Northern Illinois is playing for the MAC championship this Saturday.
Who has Alabama beat?
That's your resume! Wow.
Alabama has actually beat twice as many teams as Ohio State in the CFP Top 25. Plus they beat Wisconsin.
With a 2-0 record against the MAC this year maybe OSU should be playing No Illinios in that Championship game.
Pray for Florida beating Alabama this weekend
mark
They don't need Stanford to lose. Why should they get a jump for beating a 4 loss USC team? Plus Ohio state has a better record and play in the strongest conference.
I also disagree that Ohio state is the 3rd best team. Most people agree that Iowa would lose to Ohio State. Ohio State also has a better win AND a better loss than Alabama.
Most people agree? How do you know that? Why does that even matter? Who cares. You WILL NOT be playing Iowa on the field where it only matters. You had exactly one good win. That's your entire season. Good grief. You lost to a 14 point underdog at home without MSU's best player participating. Anyways you will be watching the Big Team championship game and not playing in it. Hard to fathom getting into the CFP playoffs when you couldn't even get into your own conferences playoff game. I guess you could back in.
Last year you made the case that the Big 12 didn't deserve a team in the playoffs as they didn't have a championship game. Well the big Ten does you you ain't in it. You predicted NC would be in the final,four and now you say they are tainted.
You are a piece of work.
mark
Yes you are a Ohio State hater, we all get it. You act as if the Michigan state loss was a bad loss. The truth of the matter is..its hard to win 25 straight games. It rarely happens. The Buckeyes are 24-1 in their last 25 games. They deserve a chance to defend their title. The have 5 wins over bowl eligible teams and destroyed a top 15 team.
As for UNC, I think they will have a case to get in after they beat Clemson. The big question is, will the committee look past their 2 games against FCS opponents?
I wasn't a bad loss. It was a horrible loss. 5 first downs, 132 yards total offense at home. Anyway so those are facts you can't dispute. Your 5,wins against bowl Eligiblle teams let's look at them. Western Michigan , northern Illinois, Michigan, Psnn State 7-5, VT 6-6.......wow.just wow. Stinks pretty bad. Exactly one win ove a ranked team, one good win any one loss. That's there entire resume. Soft. Very soft
For the record I'm not an OSU hater. It's the Village idiots that can't think for themselves that drive me nuts,
Mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Can you take a moment from your war with garnett and answer the query from the previous page, who do you think are the four best Teams?? That is absent all the BS about schedules, quality wins, Conferences, committee agendas, Top 25 and anything else.
Playoffs should like like this:
Alabama
Oklahoma(probably)
Winner of MSU vs Iowa
Clemson(in if they win) or NC, Stanford or Ohio state.
I think this is probably more likely
Oklahoma is in and could actually be the number 1 or 2 or 3 seed. They are probably the best team in the country at the moment.
Winner of MSU vs Iowa is in. Winner maybe a 1 or 2 seed
Winner of NC vs Clemson is in. NC would come in as a 4 seed with a win and Clemson as 1 one or 2 seed with a win. You were right about NC. The committee will place them 6 or 7 or 8 this week so they can justify a leap to 4 with a win over Clemson. Exactly like OSU last year. A Conference Champ NC 12-1 would have to get in
Alabama is in with a win. An Alabama loss puts Ohio State and Stanford in play ( if they beat USC) . This is the only scenario for them. Probably Stanford as a conference champ
mark
North Carolina has played 2 FCS opponents… which the committee Hates that's the real difference between the two . If Clemson loses and Stanford loses I think that will be enough. The pac12 championship will be Southern Cal which isn't making the playoffs and I don't think UNC would make it if they win the ACC.
Also North Carolina lost to a pathetic South Carolina team. You don't have to be a conference champion to get in. The committees job is to get the 4 best teams in. Buckeyes are the defending champions and are 24-1 in their last 25 games. There are not 4 or more teams better than them. The MSU loss is good loss. They never trailed in the entire game.
It's interesting earlier in this thread you picked North Carolina to be in your final four. They already lost at SC and played the two FcS opponents when you made made that statement. So what happened garnettstyle? Why the change of heart? Now they have all these warts. Oh, it's doesn't fit your M.O. anymore now does it? Ironic if they get in instead of OSU.
I doubt the committee wants to put a third place OSU team from the Big Ten in if they don't have to. Especially with a questionable resume via their schedule. Sadly it could happen with an Alabama and Stanford loss. A 12-1 Iowa team could also be in play. Do I think OSU could play with anyone in the nation? Of course. Do they deserve to play in the final four? Of course not. Their only win against anyone in shouting distance of the top 25 was now # 19 Michigan. What was their second best win? Their third best win?
If NC wins it will be their 12 win in a row and they will have beat the number one team in the nation in a championship game. I like it. FYI we will both be rooting for a Florida win over Alabama.
mark
like I was saying
Garnettstyle, you aren't going to answer are you? What the change of heart? And what about OSU's top three wins. What were those again?
Go Gators!!
mark
Michigan, Northern Illinois , Virginia tech
Northern Illinois is playing for the MAC championship this Saturday.
Who has Alabama beat?
That's your resume! Wow.
Alabama has actually beat twice as many teams as Ohio State in the CFP Top 25. Plus they beat Wisconsin.
With a 2-0 record against the MAC this year maybe OSU should be playing No Illinios in that Championship game.
Pray for Florida beating Alabama this weekend
mark
They don't need Stanford to lose. Why should they get a jump for beating a 4 loss USC team? Plus Ohio state has a better record and play in the strongest conference.
I also disagree that Ohio state is the 3rd best team. Most people agree that Iowa would lose to Ohio State. Ohio State also has a better win AND a better loss than Alabama.
Most people agree? How do you know that? Why does that even matter? Who cares. You WILL NOT be playing Iowa on the field where it only matters. You had exactly one good win. That's your entire season. Good grief. You lost to a 14 point underdog at home without MSU's best player participating. Anyways you will be watching the Big Team championship game and not playing in it. Hard to fathom getting into the CFP playoffs when you couldn't even get into your own conferences playoff game. I guess you could back in.
Last year you made the case that the Big 12 didn't deserve a team in the playoffs as they didn't have a championship game. Well the big Ten does you you ain't in it. You predicted NC would be in the final,four and now you say they are tainted.
You are a piece of work.
mark
Yes you are a Ohio State hater, we all get it. You act as if the Michigan state loss was a bad loss. The truth of the matter is..its hard to win 25 straight games. It rarely happens. The Buckeyes are 24-1 in their last 25 games. They deserve a chance to defend their title. The have 5 wins over bowl eligible teams and destroyed a top 15 team.
As for UNC, I think they will have a case to get in after they beat Clemson. The big question is, will the committee look past their 2 games against FCS opponents?
I wasn't a bad loss. It was a horrible loss. 5 first downs, 132 yards total offense at home. Anyway so those are facts you can't dispute. Your 5,wins against bowl Eligiblle teams let's look at them. Western Michigan , northern Illinois, Michigan, Psnn State 7-5, VT 6-6.......wow.just wow. Stinks pretty bad. Exactly one win ove a ranked team, one good win any one loss. That's there entire resume. Soft. Very soft
For the record I'm not an OSU hater. It's the Village idiots that can't think for themselves that drive me nuts,
Mark
You obviously know nothing about football. Anyone who has ever played football in their life knows that bad weather affects play. That means low scoring and lower stats. Its just a fact. Want another fact. Buckeyes are ranked #6 in the country in ALL 3 polls and still have a shot at the playoffs. So knock them for their schedule all you want they must be pretty good to be ranked so high going in the last week of the season.
And thanks for pointing out western Michigan, so that makes 6 wins against bowl teams because you forgot to mention Indiana.
And by the way Western Michigan is a good win. They just beat a top 25 team last Saturday. So you might want to give up the Ohio State bashing. You're not doing too well.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Grade: B-
If the committee judges Ohio State based only on its body of work, there's no way the Buckeyes should be in the top four unless Stanford and either Alabama or Clemson lose. It's an average résumé that includes just one win against a ranked team and only two wins against Power 5 teams with records over .500. There's no questioning the talent on the roster, but the staff was not able to maximize that talent for the bulk of the season, and the players didn't always execute when they were put in positions to succeed. Since the team won't play for the Big Ten title, the committee will need ample reasons to justify putting the Buckeyes in ahead of a conference champion.
LarryAllen, what are your top four teams right now??
1) Bama
2) Clemson
3) Michigan State
4) Oklahoma
Having said that I hope Iowa wins the game on Saturday.
Nice summary of Ohio State from ESPN. I know they are SEC bias, blah, blah, blah.... It's still interesting:
Grade: B-
If the committee judges Ohio State based only on its body of work, there's no way the Buckeyes should be in the top four unless Stanford and either Alabama or Clemson lose. It's an average résumé that includes just one win against a ranked team and only two wins against Power 5 teams with records over .500. There's no questioning the talent on the roster, but the staff was not able to maximize that talent for the bulk of the season, and the players didn't always execute when they were put in positions to succeed. Since the team won't play for the Big Ten title, the committee will need ample reasons to justify putting the Buckeyes in ahead of a conference champion.
Haha didn't maximize their talent. Funny. Ohio State were more dominating than they were last year. They have a top 10 defense that is only giving up 12 points a game.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED