Henry faced 9 top 90 defenses...McCaffrey faced 3...Henry also broke the All time SEC rushing record held by Herschel Walker. 1 of only 3 running backs to ever have 4 200 yard games in a season..other two were Bo Jackson and Herschel Walker. Scary that he almost transferred to FSU after the Sugar Bowl loss to Oklahoma due to not enough carries.
Nate Silver's model to win the National Championship
Oklahoma 41%
Alabama 34%
Clemson 15%
MSU 10%
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The long haired running back from Alabama is the best college football player in the country IMHO. That kid makes it look easy for everyone other than the saps trying to tackle him.
Clemson has been waiting to lose and I think Oklahoma will grant them their wish.
Alabama has been playing tough against Teams with no offense and a good defense. Against MSU they'll face the latter with more of the former than their defense can handle.
Nate Silver's model to win the National Championship
Oklahoma 41%
Alabama 34%
Clemson 15%
MSU 10%
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MSU's chances are probably about like Ohio State's last year... and look how that turned out! I think Alabama will win it all.
Last year it looked like this from the same service:
Oregon 35%
Alabama 32%
OSU 19%
FSU 14%
I'm sticking with Oklahoma but not with total conviction
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I'm sticking with Oklahoma but not with total conviction
Mark, I will convict you on Oklahoma!! I think it's peculiar that we tend to disagree on coin matters but think similarly about College Football.
The way the Sooners were playing I believe they would have dominated if the Playoff was immediately following the regular season. The five weeks off might slow them, but I doubt it.
I'm sticking with Oklahoma but not with total conviction
Mark, I will convict you on Oklahoma!! I think it's peculiar that we tend to disagree on coin matters but think similarly about College Football.
The way the Sooners were playing I believe they would have dominated if the Playoff was immediately following the regular season. The five weeks off might slow them, but I doubt it.
It only shows there is hope for you yet : )
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However, its not a true playoff without a 11-1 defending champion.
spoken like a true home!!
If you look at the top 10 there are five one-loss Teams and a single undefeated Team. After that there are eight two-loss Teams and the un-respected one loss Houston Cougars. That totals 15, close to my 16 Team Playoff scenario. If anything, it should speak to the committee about the need for an expanded Playoff which would probably increase interest. What I think holds them from anything like that is the almighty dollar controlled by Television and Advertising executives.
I was just doing some more research and couldn't help but notice that Las Vegas ( the general betting public) thinks the following:
The SEC is favored in 9 out of their 10 Bowl games. The only team that is not favored to win is Florida vs Michigan
The BIG Ten is favored in 4 out of 10 games. Michigan, Ohio State, Minnesota (over Central Michigan) and Indiana ( over Duke)
The PAC 12 is favored in all nine games there is a line on. Oregon vs TCU there is no line. Waiting on injuries to clear up.
So they have the SEC going 9-1. The PAC 12 going 10-0 or 9-1 and the Big Ten going 4-6.
Since each of these conferences has ten teams going it will be easy to see who comes out on top.
The Big Ten has 4 match ups with the SEC and 3 with the PAC 12. These will be interesting
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What I like is after two years they sort of laid the framework of what it takes to get'in.
Win your conference championship game. This is mandatory. You have no case if you don't. This year the PAC 12 gets left out and it was understandable.
Last year means nothing and no one cares.
If you are out of the Power 5 you better have played a tough schedule and you better go undefeated. Anything short of that you are giving the committee an excuse not to put you in
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It's nice to see The OSU faithful with common sense and being rationale. Board OSU fans Keets/PM770 and this article restores my faith in humanity. I will sleep well tonight.
While I encourage all,to read the article in its entirety here is a good snipet from this OSU site
"Without a Big Ten title, or even a divisional title, it's hard to make a real argument that Ohio State should be in the final four, especially since they really only have one excellent win. And for all the haranguing about Ohio State's strength of schedule over the course of the season, it bares repeating that Ohio State only truly dominated one of those teams, Rutgers, who just hired away Ohio State's defensive coordinator to be their new head coach and fix the mess there.
Ohio State played maybe only three complete games approaching their potential all season, and were a little fortunate to get past Indiana and Northern Illinois. Those performances, in light of a lack of other quality wins, won't build up any goodwill or benefit of the doubt, no matter what Ohio State did last season, or how many Buckeyes get taken in the first round of April's 2016 NFL Draft. Iowa, fairly or not, earned that goodwill. And it's hard to get too upset over the Hawkeyes getting a rare trip to Pasadena."
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Clemson(in if they win) or NC, Stanford or Ohio state.
Winner
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Ohio State's strength of schedule over the course of the season
I would ask a few questions that I think I know the answers to: How much lead time were NCAA schools given prior to the change to this Playoff format?? Does anyone think this change and any subsequent changes will influence the scheduling of any Teams?? Will Conferences like the Big 12 realign and form Divisions with a Championship game to help their chances in future Playoffs?? Would you expect Historical Independents to cling to that or perhaps join a Conference??
As was mentioned earlier, Ohio State and Oklahoma have scheduled games the next few years and I believe commencing in 2018-2020 the Buckeyes will play Notre Dame. This can only be good. Looking at some of the Bowl pairings it strains logic that some of these Teams rarely play each other. There has to be a way to get at least a token of inter-conference play with the perennial best Teams. I know the fans would LOVE to see this
Nate Silver's model to win the National Championship
Oklahoma 41%
Alabama 34%
Clemson 15%
MSU 10%
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Michigan State a 10 to 1 shot? I would take that all day long.
I see the 4 teams as being pretty equal. Slight edge to Alabama.
Good coaches, I expect all 4 teams to be well prepared.
10 to 1 shot and 10 point underdogs. A ton of money coming in on Alabama.
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Originally posted by: garnettstyle Michigan State will def be Alabama's toughest test this year by far.
We assume you will be laying a lot of money down on Michigan State, in Vegas, with that big point spread, right!? Heck 10 points is like free money for you aint it?
Originally posted by: larryallen73 Who wins the Heisman? This morning on Mike and Mike they predicted: Henry McCaffry Watson
I can't disagree with Henry. Amazing that Fournette fell off the map. It seemed to be wrapped up, by him, at mid-season.
What do you experts say?
I say Henry, but the national media is tired of hearing about Bama and will probably go with another. If Henry doesn't get it I feel sorry for MSU. Henry will hurt those boys.
The thing to remember about Henry is that he's running behind a pro offensive line. After he's drafted high, that will be the same but he'll be running AGAINST a pro defensive line. That often overlooked fact is why many, many highly touted College running backs and, yes, Heisman Trophy winners don't make the transition very well. Also, I'm not certain if Henry's skill-set is limited to running or if he is a victim of the Coaching scheme, but he doesn't seem to display the requisite ability to block and receive that the Modern Day pro-runner needs. He has caught 10 passes this year and gets pulled at times when a better receiving/blocking back might be left in the game.
Just for comparison, Elliot from Ohio State has 77 fewer rushing attempts, a better per run average and 26 receptions. That tells me he is left in the game as a possible receiver more often, actually gets used in that regard and has obvious skill as a pass blocker that the Coaching Staff exploits. In addition, he is by far the faster man.
I don't say this to make a case for Ezekiel Elliot or to criticize Derrick Henry, only to point out that the Heisman is a poor gauge for pro-readiness.
Keets...doesnt sound like you've watched a complete Alabama game. True, Henry's freshman year he played sparingly due to his inability to block and TJ Yeldon/Lacy. However, now I would put him up against any lineman/LB. Remember he is 6'4 240 chiseled muscle. Check out this video from the first game of the year vs a Big10 team. Also remember Henry has played 1 more game than Ezekiel and he had 44 carries in that game. So 33 more carries over 12 games is not relevant.
I don't say this to make a case for Ezekiel Elliot or to criticize Derrick Henry, only to point out that the Heisman is a poor gauge for pro-readiness.
No doubt. Just yesterday on ESPN radio they were talking about Archie Griffin's pro numbers. I had no clue they were so pedestrian. It was interesting to hear. He's a legend in my mind, or trivia answer according to the guys on ESPN radio, but either way it's only for his college work.
Keets, you're correct, lots don't make the pros. Alabama's Trent Richardson was a prime example. Great college player just couldn't get it done in the pros.
mrmint, I'm not making a case for either man. My sole point was to state what I feel is obvious from the games I have watched. In those games, the tendency has been for Ohio State to use Elliot in many obvious passing situations while Alabama tended to sit Henry. As I said, Henry may be an excellent receiver and blocker but the staff hasn't exploited that in games.
Keets, you're correct, lots don't make the pros. Alabama's Trent Richardson was a prime example. Great college player just couldn't get it done in the pros.
An even better example is Archie Griffin
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I saw Archie Griffin play one game when I was a Freshman in 1973 at Ohio University, he was head and shoulders above everyone else on the field. As a Browns fan during his rookie season we spoke the words "I think he's the real deal" about Trent, but he somehow failed to fulfill his hoped for destiny. One who made the transition quite well that I have ties to is Dr. Robert Smith who graduated from my alma mater, Euclid Senior High School. Here is what I have learned:
In High School it is common to be the fastest, baddest player on the field. 1 out of 10,000
In College that happens, too, but often players find their equal. 1 out of 500
At the pro level the best players are humbled as a matter of routine. 1 out of 10
I saw Archie Griffin play one game when I was a Freshman in 1973 at Ohio University, he was head and shoulders above everyone else on the field. As a Browns fan during his rookie season we spoke the words "I think he's the real deal" about Trent, but he somehow failed to fulfill his hoped for destiny. One who made the transition quite well that I have ties to is Dr. Robert Smith who graduated from my alma mater, Euclid Senior High School. Here is what I have learned:
In High School it is common to be the fastest, baddest player on the field. 1 out of 10,000
In College that happens, too, but often players find their equal. 1 out of 500
At the pro level the best players are humbled as a matter of routine. 1 out of 10
Archie Griffin was one of the best college players ever. For sure in the top 3 Ive ever seen play at that level. He was over matched in the pro's. It happens
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Originally posted by: keets I saw Archie Griffin play one game when I was a Freshman in 1973 at Ohio University, he was head and shoulders above everyone else on the field. As a Browns fan during his rookie season we spoke the words "I think he's the real deal" about Trent, but he somehow failed to fulfill his hoped for destiny. One who made the transition quite well that I have ties to is Dr. Robert Smith who graduated from my alma mater, Euclid Senior High School. Here is what I have learned: In High School it is common to be the fastest, baddest player on the field. 1 out of 10,000 In College that happens, too, but often players find their equal. 1 out of 500 At the pro level the best players are humbled as a matter of routine. 1 out of 10
Totally agree. Each higher level of play the field narrows. Dude can be the best high school player ever, for a particular school, and not even get an offer from a bigtime college. Fast in high school isn't fast in college.
Griffin didn't have a great NFL career because he was too small.
I find it hilarious someone would compare this years Michigan State team to the one 5 yrs ago. Since that Alabama loss, they have not lost a bowl game.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Originally posted by: garnettstyle Griffin didn't have a great NFL career because he was too small.
I find it hilarious someone would compare this years Michigan State team to the one 5 yrs ago. Since that Alabama loss, they have not lost a bowl game.
Since that win, Alabama has gone 60-7 and won 2 National Titles. Roll Tide
Originally posted by: garnettstyle Griffin didn't have a great NFL career because he was too small.
I find it hilarious someone would compare this years Michigan State team to the one 5 yrs ago. Since that Alabama loss, they have not lost a bowl game.
Since that win, Alabama has gone 60-7 and won 2 National Titles. Roll Tide
That's just because of ESPN and their SEC bias though. LOL!
Griffin didn't have a great NFL career because he was too small.
I find it hilarious someone would compare this years Michigan State team to the one 5 yrs ago. Since that Alabama loss, they have not lost a bowl game.
Since that win, Alabama has gone 60-7 and won 2 National Titles. Roll Tide
That's just because of ESPN and their SEC bias though. LOL!
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this is part of the reason I chose Elliot for my example. He was a State Champion sprinter in High School and has carried that over into College where he has shown "sprinter's speed" with an extra gear. I haven't seen him caught from behind, so it will be interesting to see what happens to him as a pro where linebackers are quicker than crap through a goose and DB's close fast.
Originally posted by: garnettstyle Griffin didn't have a great NFL career because he was too small.
I find it hilarious someone would compare this years Michigan State team to the one 5 yrs ago. Since that Alabama loss, they have not lost a bowl game.
I found it hilarious when you said that OSU is the co-champion of their division. Third place in the Big 10.......OUCH !!!!
Originally posted by: garnettstyle Griffin didn't have a great NFL career because he was too small.
I find it hilarious someone would compare this years Michigan State team to the one 5 yrs ago. Since that Alabama loss, they have not lost a bowl game.
I found it hilarious when you said that OSU is the co-champion of their division. Third place in the Big 10.......OUCH !!!!
Yet they are still the team no one wants to play. Have you seen the Notre Dame forums lately?
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Originally posted by: garnettstyle Griffin didn't have a great NFL career because he was too small.
I find it hilarious someone would compare this years Michigan State team to the one 5 yrs ago. Since that Alabama loss, they have not lost a bowl game.
Since that win, Alabama has gone 60-7 and won 2 National Titles. Roll Tide
That's just because of ESPN and their SEC bias though. LOL!
Good reason yes. They had no business getting another shot at LSU after LSU already beat them on the road.
Anyway, Alabama is 0-2 in their most recent bowls.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Originally posted by: garnettstyle Griffin didn't have a great NFL career because he was too small.
I find it hilarious someone would compare this years Michigan State team to the one 5 yrs ago. Since that Alabama loss, they have not lost a bowl game.
I found it hilarious when you said that OSU is the co-champion of their division. Third place in the Big 10.......OUCH !!!!
Yet they are still the team no one wants to play. Have you seen the Notre Dame forums lately?
We'd love to play OSU, heck, I was pulling for OSU and they let me down. Anyway, OSU is 1-1 against the final Top 25. Didn't play enough quality opponents and if they had they would have lost those. Hey, wait until next year, right?
Originally posted by: garnettstyle Griffin didn't have a great NFL career because he was too small.
I find it hilarious someone would compare this years Michigan State team to the one 5 yrs ago. Since that Alabama loss, they have not lost a bowl game.
I found it hilarious when you said that OSU is the co-champion of their division. Third place in the Big 10.......OUCH !!!!
Yet they are still the team no one wants to play. Have you seen the Notre Dame forums lately?
Originally posted by: keets Fast in high school isn't fast in college.
this is part of the reason I chose Elliot for my example. He was a State Champion sprinter in High School and has carried that over into College where he has shown "sprinter's speed" with an extra gear. I haven't seen him caught from behind, so it will be interesting to see what happens to him as a pro where linebackers are quicker than crap through a goose and DB's close fast.
No doubt but to make it in the pros you probably need some combination of fastest, biggest, most elusive, etc.... I have no clue about Elliott. I just mean in general.
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Henry
McCaffry
Watson
I can't disagree with Henry. Amazing that Fournette fell off the map. It seemed to be wrapped up, by him, at mid-season.
What do you experts say?
Something tells me if the sec had three 1 loss teams, the committee would find a way to put 2 in.
Ohio State got robbed
Ohio finished third in the Big Ten. They had no claim whatsoever.
Only because Iowa didn't have to play the 3 best teams. Ohio State is actually co-champions in their division.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Who wins the Heisman? This morning on Mike and Mike they predicted:
Henry
McCaffry
Watson
I can't disagree with Henry. Amazing that Fournette fell off the map. It seemed to be wrapped up, by him, at mid-season.
What do you experts say?
McCaffry is the best player in the country hands down. He broke Barry Sanders record. The Heisman should be his.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Something tells me if the sec had three 1 loss teams, the committee would find a way to put 2 in.
Ohio State got robbed
Ohio finished third in the Big Ten. They had no claim whatsoever.
Only because Iowa didn't have to play the 3 best teams. Ohio State is actually co-champions in their division.
Ya, are they going to have a banner raising party for their "co division championship?" Let's hope not.
Oklahoma 41%
Alabama 34%
Clemson 15%
MSU 10%
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Nate Silver's model to win the National Championship
Oklahoma 41%
Alabama 34%
Clemson 15%
MSU 10%
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MSU's chances are probably about like Ohio State's last year... and look how that turned out! I think Alabama will win it all.
Alabama has been playing tough against Teams with no offense and a good defense. Against MSU they'll face the latter with more of the former than their defense can handle.
Oklahoma vs. Michigan State.
Nate Silver's model to win the National Championship
Oklahoma 41%
Alabama 34%
Clemson 15%
MSU 10%
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MSU's chances are probably about like Ohio State's last year... and look how that turned out! I think Alabama will win it all.
Last year it looked like this from the same service:
Oregon 35%
Alabama 32%
OSU 19%
FSU 14%
I'm sticking with Oklahoma but not with total conviction
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Mark, I will convict you on Oklahoma!! I think it's peculiar that we tend to disagree on coin matters but think similarly about College Football.
The way the Sooners were playing I believe they would have dominated if the Playoff was immediately following the regular season. The five weeks off might slow them, but I doubt it.
I'm sticking with Oklahoma but not with total conviction
Mark, I will convict you on Oklahoma!! I think it's peculiar that we tend to disagree on coin matters but think similarly about College Football.
The way the Sooners were playing I believe they would have dominated if the Playoff was immediately following the regular season. The five weeks off might slow them, but I doubt it.
It only shows there is hope for you yet : )
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However, its not a true playoff without a 11-1 defending champion.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
spoken like a true home!!
If you look at the top 10 there are five one-loss Teams and a single undefeated Team. After that there are eight two-loss Teams and the un-respected one loss Houston Cougars. That totals 15, close to my 16 Team Playoff scenario. If anything, it should speak to the committee about the need for an expanded Playoff which would probably increase interest. What I think holds them from anything like that is the almighty dollar controlled by Television and Advertising executives.
The SEC is favored in 9 out of their 10 Bowl games. The only team that is not favored to win is Florida vs Michigan
The BIG Ten is favored in 4 out of 10 games. Michigan, Ohio State, Minnesota (over Central Michigan) and Indiana ( over Duke)
The PAC 12 is favored in all nine games there is a line on. Oregon vs TCU there is no line. Waiting on injuries to clear up.
So they have the SEC going 9-1. The PAC 12 going 10-0 or 9-1 and the Big Ten going 4-6.
Since each of these conferences has ten teams going it will be easy to see who comes out on top.
The Big Ten has 4 match ups with the SEC and 3 with the PAC 12. These will be interesting
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What I like is after two years they sort of laid the framework of what it takes to get'in.
Win your conference championship game. This is mandatory. You have no case if you don't. This year the PAC 12 gets left out and it was understandable.
Last year means nothing and no one cares.
If you are out of the Power 5 you better have played a tough schedule and you better go undefeated. Anything short of that you are giving the committee an excuse not to put you in
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Derrick Henry, Deshaun Watson and Christian McCaffrey
notable snubs Baker Mayfield and Keenan Reynolds
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1. Alabama
2. Clemson
3. Oklahoma
4. OHIO STATE
5. Michigan State
6. Stanford
7. Notre Dame
8. Iowa
9. Florida State
10. TCU
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
It's nice to see The OSU faithful with common sense and being rationale. Board OSU fans Keets/PM770 and this article restores my faith in humanity. I will sleep well tonight.
While I encourage all,to read the article in its entirety here is a good snipet from this OSU site
"Without a Big Ten title, or even a divisional title, it's hard to make a real argument that Ohio State should be in the final four, especially since they really only have one excellent win. And for all the haranguing about Ohio State's strength of schedule over the course of the season, it bares repeating that Ohio State only truly dominated one of those teams, Rutgers, who just hired away Ohio State's defensive coordinator to be their new head coach and fix the mess there.
Ohio State played maybe only three complete games approaching their potential all season, and were a little fortunate to get past Indiana and Northern Illinois. Those performances, in light of a lack of other quality wins, won't build up any goodwill or benefit of the doubt, no matter what Ohio State did last season, or how many Buckeyes get taken in the first round of April's 2016 NFL Draft. Iowa, fairly or not, earned that goodwill. And it's hard to get too upset over the Hawkeyes getting a rare trip to Pasadena."
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Playoffs should like like this:
Alabama
Oklahoma(probably)
Winner of MSU vs Iowa
Clemson(in if they win) or NC, Stanford or Ohio state.
Winner
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I would ask a few questions that I think I know the answers to: How much lead time were NCAA schools given prior to the change to this Playoff format?? Does anyone think this change and any subsequent changes will influence the scheduling of any Teams?? Will Conferences like the Big 12 realign and form Divisions with a Championship game to help their chances in future Playoffs?? Would you expect Historical Independents to cling to that or perhaps join a Conference??
As was mentioned earlier, Ohio State and Oklahoma have scheduled games the next few years and I believe commencing in 2018-2020 the Buckeyes will play Notre Dame. This can only be good. Looking at some of the Bowl pairings it strains logic that some of these Teams rarely play each other. There has to be a way to get at least a token of inter-conference play with the perennial best Teams. I know the fans would LOVE to see this
Nate Silver's model to win the National Championship
Oklahoma 41%
Alabama 34%
Clemson 15%
MSU 10%
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Michigan State a 10 to 1 shot? I would take that all day long.
I see the 4 teams as being pretty equal. Slight edge to Alabama.
Good coaches, I expect all 4 teams to be well prepared.
Nate Silver's model to win the National Championship
Oklahoma 41%
Alabama 34%
Clemson 15%
MSU 10%
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Michigan State a 10 to 1 shot? I would take that all day long.
I see the 4 teams as being pretty equal. Slight edge to Alabama.
Good coaches, I expect all 4 teams to be well prepared.
I tend to agree with you. Each team has flaws. Anybody could win.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Nate Silver's model to win the National Championship
Oklahoma 41%
Alabama 34%
Clemson 15%
MSU 10%
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Michigan State a 10 to 1 shot? I would take that all day long.
I see the 4 teams as being pretty equal. Slight edge to Alabama.
Good coaches, I expect all 4 teams to be well prepared.
10 to 1 shot and 10 point underdogs. A ton of money coming in on Alabama.
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Michigan State will def be Alabama's toughest test this year by far.
We assume you will be laying a lot of money down on Michigan State, in Vegas, with that big point spread, right!? Heck 10 points is like free money for you aint it?
Michigan State will def be Alabama's toughest test this year by far.
Alabama will def be Michigan State's toughest test this year by far.
Here's Marcel and Eddie a couple of years ago. This years defense is better and King Henry is better than Eddie. Bama won that game 49-7.
Who wins the Heisman? This morning on Mike and Mike they predicted:
Henry
McCaffry
Watson
I can't disagree with Henry. Amazing that Fournette fell off the map. It seemed to be wrapped up, by him, at mid-season.
What do you experts say?
I say Henry, but the national media is tired of hearing about Bama and will probably go with another. If Henry doesn't get it I feel sorry for MSU. Henry will hurt those boys.
Just for comparison, Elliot from Ohio State has 77 fewer rushing attempts, a better per run average and 26 receptions. That tells me he is left in the game as a possible receiver more often, actually gets used in that regard and has obvious skill as a pass blocker that the Coaching Staff exploits. In addition, he is by far the faster man.
I don't say this to make a case for Ezekiel Elliot or to criticize Derrick Henry, only to point out that the Heisman is a poor gauge for pro-readiness.
Henry
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I don't say this to make a case for Ezekiel Elliot or to criticize Derrick Henry, only to point out that the Heisman is a poor gauge for pro-readiness.
No doubt. Just yesterday on ESPN radio they were talking about Archie Griffin's pro numbers. I had no clue they were so pedestrian. It was interesting to hear. He's a legend in my mind, or trivia answer according to the guys on ESPN radio, but either way it's only for his college work.
Keets, you're correct, lots don't make the pros. Alabama's Trent Richardson was a prime example. Great college player just couldn't get it done in the pros.
An even better example is Archie Griffin
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In High School it is common to be the fastest, baddest player on the field. 1 out of 10,000
In College that happens, too, but often players find their equal. 1 out of 500
At the pro level the best players are humbled as a matter of routine. 1 out of 10
I saw Archie Griffin play one game when I was a Freshman in 1973 at Ohio University, he was head and shoulders above everyone else on the field. As a Browns fan during his rookie season we spoke the words "I think he's the real deal" about Trent, but he somehow failed to fulfill his hoped for destiny. One who made the transition quite well that I have ties to is Dr. Robert Smith who graduated from my alma mater, Euclid Senior High School. Here is what I have learned:
In High School it is common to be the fastest, baddest player on the field. 1 out of 10,000
In College that happens, too, but often players find their equal. 1 out of 500
At the pro level the best players are humbled as a matter of routine. 1 out of 10
Archie Griffin was one of the best college players ever. For sure in the top 3 Ive ever seen play at that level. He was over matched in the pro's. It happens
mark
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I saw Archie Griffin play one game when I was a Freshman in 1973 at Ohio University, he was head and shoulders above everyone else on the field. As a Browns fan during his rookie season we spoke the words "I think he's the real deal" about Trent, but he somehow failed to fulfill his hoped for destiny. One who made the transition quite well that I have ties to is Dr. Robert Smith who graduated from my alma mater, Euclid Senior High School. Here is what I have learned:
In High School it is common to be the fastest, baddest player on the field. 1 out of 10,000
In College that happens, too, but often players find their equal. 1 out of 500
At the pro level the best players are humbled as a matter of routine. 1 out of 10
Totally agree. Each higher level of play the field narrows. Dude can be the best high school player ever, for a particular school, and not even get an offer from a bigtime college. Fast in high school isn't fast in college.
I find it hilarious someone would compare this years Michigan State team to the one 5 yrs ago. Since that Alabama loss, they have not lost a bowl game.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Griffin didn't have a great NFL career because he was too small.
I find it hilarious someone would compare this years Michigan State team to the one 5 yrs ago. Since that Alabama loss, they have not lost a bowl game.
Since that win, Alabama has gone 60-7 and won 2 National Titles. Roll Tide
Griffin didn't have a great NFL career because he was too small.
I find it hilarious someone would compare this years Michigan State team to the one 5 yrs ago. Since that Alabama loss, they have not lost a bowl game.
Since that win, Alabama has gone 60-7 and won 2 National Titles. Roll Tide
That's just because of ESPN and their SEC bias though. LOL!
Griffin didn't have a great NFL career because he was too small.
I find it hilarious someone would compare this years Michigan State team to the one 5 yrs ago. Since that Alabama loss, they have not lost a bowl game.
Since that win, Alabama has gone 60-7 and won 2 National Titles. Roll Tide
That's just because of ESPN and their SEC bias though. LOL!
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
this is part of the reason I chose Elliot for my example. He was a State Champion sprinter in High School and has carried that over into College where he has shown "sprinter's speed" with an extra gear. I haven't seen him caught from behind, so it will be interesting to see what happens to him as a pro where linebackers are quicker than crap through a goose and DB's close fast.
Griffin didn't have a great NFL career because he was too small.
I find it hilarious someone would compare this years Michigan State team to the one 5 yrs ago. Since that Alabama loss, they have not lost a bowl game.
I found it hilarious when you said that OSU is the co-champion of their division.
Third place in the Big 10.......OUCH !!!!
Griffin didn't have a great NFL career because he was too small.
I find it hilarious someone would compare this years Michigan State team to the one 5 yrs ago. Since that Alabama loss, they have not lost a bowl game.
I found it hilarious when you said that OSU is the co-champion of their division.
Third place in the Big 10.......OUCH !!!!
Yet they are still the team no one wants to play. Have you seen the Notre Dame forums lately?
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Griffin didn't have a great NFL career because he was too small.
I find it hilarious someone would compare this years Michigan State team to the one 5 yrs ago. Since that Alabama loss, they have not lost a bowl game.
Since that win, Alabama has gone 60-7 and won 2 National Titles. Roll Tide
That's just because of ESPN and their SEC bias though. LOL!
Good reason yes. They had no business getting another shot at LSU after LSU already beat them on the road.
Anyway, Alabama is 0-2 in their most recent bowls.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Griffin didn't have a great NFL career because he was too small.
I find it hilarious someone would compare this years Michigan State team to the one 5 yrs ago. Since that Alabama loss, they have not lost a bowl game.
I found it hilarious when you said that OSU is the co-champion of their division.
Third place in the Big 10.......OUCH !!!!
Yet they are still the team no one wants to play. Have you seen the Notre Dame forums lately?
We'd love to play OSU, heck, I was pulling for OSU and they let me down. Anyway, OSU is 1-1 against the final Top 25. Didn't play enough quality opponents and if they had they would have lost those. Hey, wait until next year, right?
Griffin didn't have a great NFL career because he was too small.
I find it hilarious someone would compare this years Michigan State team to the one 5 yrs ago. Since that Alabama loss, they have not lost a bowl game.
I found it hilarious when you said that OSU is the co-champion of their division.
Third place in the Big 10.......OUCH !!!!
Yet they are still the team no one wants to play. Have you seen the Notre Dame forums lately?
You trolling the ND forums?
Fast in high school isn't fast in college.
this is part of the reason I chose Elliot for my example. He was a State Champion sprinter in High School and has carried that over into College where he has shown "sprinter's speed" with an extra gear. I haven't seen him caught from behind, so it will be interesting to see what happens to him as a pro where linebackers are quicker than crap through a goose and DB's close fast.
No doubt but to make it in the pros you probably need some combination of fastest, biggest, most elusive, etc.... I have no clue about Elliott. I just mean in general.