I keep seeing 5-5 as the Big Ten bowl record. Why is the championship game being ignored? Isn't that the most important of all games? It seems odd to keep leaving it out of the record.
Furthermore, the Big Ten went 4-1 (3-0 in the "Big 6") on New Years Eve, New Years Day & the Championship game, while the SEC was going 1-4 (0-3 in the "Big 6") This perception is not based on some degraded expectations. 4-1 in the major bowls including the National Champion. Why are we getting this nonsensical revisionism? The Big Ten had a great 2014-15 bowl season. Period.
The danger of looking at raw bowl records is that it is not apples to apples. As I pointed out in a previous post, the Big Ten is playing a better caliber of teams in the bowls (more Top 25 and more Top 10). The Pac-12 has 10 bowl games this year and 4 of them will be against the Mountain West, Conference USA and an independent (BYU). The Big Ten has one such game (MAC) and also has 2 teams with 5-7 records who are only here because of the academic record. The Pac-12 always does well because they are forced to play a large percentage of those 2nd tier bowls against the smaller conferences. I know they want to get into the bigger bowls, but the SEC, Big Ten & Big 12 have gobbled them all up, so this is not a criticism on the Pac-12. This is a criticism of using raw bowl record as meaningful in any way.
I agree on your first statement. It would seem the championship game should count.
As to your second, ok. You have proven to all of us the Big 10 is best and the SEC or the Pac 12 or whoever you want to be is the worst. I now feel less of myself, as a human, for thinking otherwise.
As to the third it seems like you are setting it up in case you don't win as much as you hope to in these bowl games. Sort of setting up your excuses ahead of time. Let's play the games and then make excuses!
600! And Larry that's exactly how I read it as well. Bullseye
mark
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I keep seeing 5-5 as the Big Ten bowl record. Why is the championship game being ignored? Isn't that the most important of all games? It seems odd to keep leaving it out of the record.
Furthermore, the Big Ten went 4-1 (3-0 in the "Big 6") on New Years Eve, New Years Day & the Championship game, while the SEC was going 1-4 (0-3 in the "Big 6") This perception is not based on some degraded expectations. 4-1 in the major bowls including the National Champion. Why are we getting this nonsensical revisionism? The Big Ten had a great 2014-15 bowl season. Period.
The danger of looking at raw bowl records is that it is not apples to apples. As I pointed out in a previous post, the Big Ten is playing a better caliber of teams in the bowls (more Top 25 and more Top 10). The Pac-12 has 10 bowl games this year and 4 of them will be against the Mountain West, Conference USA and an independent (BYU). The Big Ten has one such game (MAC) and also has 2 teams with 5-7 records who are only here because of the academic record. The Pac-12 always does well because they are forced to play a large percentage of those 2nd tier bowls against the smaller conferences. I know they want to get into the bigger bowls, but the SEC, Big Ten & Big 12 have gobbled them all up, so this is not a criticism on the Pac-12. This is a criticism of using raw bowl record as meaningful in any way.
I actually mentioned 5-5 in bowl games and 6-5 including the championship. Those are facts.
I also pulled out the key games where there is good symmetry as the games to judge:
USC vs Wisconsin
Iowa vs Stanford
MSU vs Alabama
Michigan vs Florida
Northwestern vs Tennessee
Penn State vs Georgia
The balance I don't care too much about as I view them insignificant. If the Big Ten goes 4-2 in these games I will be impressed. Fair enough?
mark
... and if they don't go 4-2 it's because of the SEC bias!
and ESPN and Fox and Jeff Long and the AP and USA Today pollsters and the weather
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Originally posted by: PM770 I keep seeing 5-5 as the Big Ten bowl record. Why is the championship game being ignored? Isn't that the most important of all games? It seems odd to keep leaving it out of the record.
Maybe the haters don't consider Oregon a legit team lol.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Is Adolphus Washington going to be suspended for the Notre Dame game? He was arrested for solicitation.
mark
And the answer turns out to be yes.
mark
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Alabama halfback Derrick Henry was the big winner from Thursday night's college football awards show, taking home the Walter Camp Player of the Year, the Maxwell Player of the Year and the Doak Walker as the nation's best running back.
Clemson's Deshaun Watson won the Davey O'Brien as the nation's best quarterback.
Temple's Tyler Matakevich won the Chuck Bednarik and Bronko Nagurski, both given to the nation's best defensive player. The Butkus, given to the best linebacker went to Notre Dame's Jaylon Smith.
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Originally posted by: garnettstyle Finished 1st in the east division. The Big 10 acknowledges co-champions of a division when 2 teams have the same record.
Take away one fluke play(the Michigan punt against Mich State) and the Buckeyes would be conference champions.
Did Ohio play in the conference championship? No? Case closed.
Mark, perhaps their should be an award for "Running Back with the best Offensive Line" that could go to Henry, since there appears to be no award given to the least respected yet most vital part of a Football Team at any level. I don't know when that OL will come to the pro's but they should all fit in nicely somewhere.
I don't have a dog in this fight, but I am going to wade in. (Good time for a mixed metaphor.)
The Big Ten is better this year. Three perennial top teams let the SEC down: Auburn, Georgia
and LSU. They were 6, 9, & 14 in the pre-season polls.
Iowa, Michigan, and Northwestern were not in the pre-season top 25.
Ohio State was pre season number 1 and lost to Michigan State on the last play of the game.
Michigan State lost to Nebraska on a bad call and beat Michigan on a bobbled punt attempt.
The Big Ten has had a GREAT year. I would love to see them cap it off and punctuate it with a good bowl season
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Army v. Navy. Seemed it got more attention this year. That's great. Just hard core football. No high level pro prospects. I imagine the Navy QB is more of a CFL caliber player!?
Big Ten did aquit themselves very well on the AP American Team
First Team
Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year Carl Nassib was among the selections from the conference, the Nittany Lions' defensive end joined by Ohio State offensive tackle Taylor Decker, Michigan State center Jack Allen, Iowa cornerback Desmond King and Ohio State safety Vonn Bell.
Nassib also won the Lombari for best lineman/linebacker in the country
The Big Ten was well represented on the second team
Ohio State running back Ezekiel Elliott, Michigan State offensive tackle Jack Conklin, Ohio State guard Pat Elflein, Michigan tight end Jake Butt, Ohio State defensive end Joey Bosa, Wisconsin linebacker Joe Schobert and Michigan cornerback Jourdan Lewis were all named to the second team.
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Originally posted by: PM770 I keep seeing 5-5 as the Big Ten bowl record. Why is the championship game being ignored? Isn't that the most important of all games? It seems odd to keep leaving it out of the record.
Furthermore, the Big Ten went 4-1 (3-0 in the "Big 6") on New Years Eve, New Years Day & the Championship game, while the SEC was going 1-4 (0-3 in the "Big 6") This perception is not based on some degraded expectations. 4-1 in the major bowls including the National Champion. Why are we getting this nonsensical revisionism? The Big Ten had a great 2014-15 bowl season. Period.
The danger of looking at raw bowl records is that it is not apples to apples. As I pointed out in a previous post, the Big Ten is playing a better caliber of teams in the bowls (more Top 25 and more Top 10). The Pac-12 has 10 bowl games this year and 4 of them will be against the Mountain West, Conference USA and an independent (BYU). The Big Ten has one such game (MAC) and also has 2 teams with 5-7 records who are only here because of the academic record. The Pac-12 always does well because they are forced to play a large percentage of those 2nd tier bowls against the smaller conferences. I know they want to get into the bigger bowls, but the SEC, Big Ten & Big 12 have gobbled them all up, so this is not a criticism on the Pac-12. This is a criticism of using raw bowl record as meaningful in any way.
I actually mentioned 5-5 in bowl games and 6-5 including the championship. Those are facts.
I also pulled out the key games where there is good symmetry as the games to judge:
USC vs Wisconsin Iowa vs Stanford MSU vs Alabama Michigan vs Florida Northwestern vs Tennessee Penn State vs Georgia
The balance I don't care too much about as I view them insignificant. If the Big Ten goes 4-2 in these games I will be impressed. Fair enough?
mark
Fair enough. Although I'm just looking at your first 5 as the "key games" + Ohio State v. Notre Dame. I expect 4-2 in that.
I keep seeing 5-5 as the Big Ten bowl record. Why is the championship game being ignored? Isn't that the most important of all games? It seems odd to keep leaving it out of the record.
Furthermore, the Big Ten went 4-1 (3-0 in the "Big 6") on New Years Eve, New Years Day & the Championship game, while the SEC was going 1-4 (0-3 in the "Big 6") This perception is not based on some degraded expectations. 4-1 in the major bowls including the National Champion. Why are we getting this nonsensical revisionism? The Big Ten had a great 2014-15 bowl season. Period.
The danger of looking at raw bowl records is that it is not apples to apples. As I pointed out in a previous post, the Big Ten is playing a better caliber of teams in the bowls (more Top 25 and more Top 10). The Pac-12 has 10 bowl games this year and 4 of them will be against the Mountain West, Conference USA and an independent (BYU). The Big Ten has one such game (MAC) and also has 2 teams with 5-7 records who are only here because of the academic record. The Pac-12 always does well because they are forced to play a large percentage of those 2nd tier bowls against the smaller conferences. I know they want to get into the bigger bowls, but the SEC, Big Ten & Big 12 have gobbled them all up, so this is not a criticism on the Pac-12. This is a criticism of using raw bowl record as meaningful in any way.
I agree on your first statement. It would seem the championship game should count.
As to your second, ok. You have proven to all of us the Big 10 is best and the SEC or the Pac 12 or whoever you want to be is the worst. I now feel less of myself, as a human, for thinking otherwise.
As to the third it seems like you are setting it up in case you don't win as much as you hope to in these bowl games. Sort of setting up your excuses ahead of time. Let's play the games and then make excuses!
600! And Larry that's exactly how I read it as well. Bullseye
mark
I'm not sure where you guys got that I was saying the Big Ten is best and the SEC and PAC12 are the worst. I'm just saying that the raw bowl records are a flawed measure because of the quality of the various bowl games.
For all the talk about schedule strength that has gone on in this thread, there seems to be some ignoring of it at an odd time if we are putting weight on the bowl record.
I keep seeing 5-5 as the Big Ten bowl record. Why is the championship game being ignored? Isn't that the most important of all games? It seems odd to keep leaving it out of the record.
Furthermore, the Big Ten went 4-1 (3-0 in the "Big 6") on New Years Eve, New Years Day & the Championship game, while the SEC was going 1-4 (0-3 in the "Big 6") This perception is not based on some degraded expectations. 4-1 in the major bowls including the National Champion. Why are we getting this nonsensical revisionism? The Big Ten had a great 2014-15 bowl season. Period.
The danger of looking at raw bowl records is that it is not apples to apples. As I pointed out in a previous post, the Big Ten is playing a better caliber of teams in the bowls (more Top 25 and more Top 10). The Pac-12 has 10 bowl games this year and 4 of them will be against the Mountain West, Conference USA and an independent (BYU). The Big Ten has one such game (MAC) and also has 2 teams with 5-7 records who are only here because of the academic record. The Pac-12 always does well because they are forced to play a large percentage of those 2nd tier bowls against the smaller conferences. I know they want to get into the bigger bowls, but the SEC, Big Ten & Big 12 have gobbled them all up, so this is not a criticism on the Pac-12. This is a criticism of using raw bowl record as meaningful in any way.
I actually mentioned 5-5 in bowl games and 6-5 including the championship. Those are facts.
I also pulled out the key games where there is good symmetry as the games to judge:
USC vs Wisconsin
Iowa vs Stanford
MSU vs Alabama
Michigan vs Florida
Northwestern vs Tennessee
Penn State vs Georgia
The balance I don't care too much about as I view them insignificant. If the Big Ten goes 4-2 in these games I will be impressed. Fair enough?
mark
Fair enough. Although I'm just looking at your first 5 as the "key games" + Ohio State v. Notre Dame. I expect 4-2 in that.
I couldn't include OSU as they don't play a SEC or PAC 12 team. IF you count USC (five losses) vs Wisconsin (3 losses) you gotta include Georgia ( 3 losses) vs Penn St ( five losses). It's a wash
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Just a few more days until Georgia State against 5-7 San Jose State! Hard to get too excited about that unless you have a kid on the teams! However, at least bowl season is upon us!
Without looking who do you think the Todd McShay mock draft has as first QB taken?
It's gotta be Paxton Lynch or Jared Goff. I don't think there will be any other QB's drafted in the first round. Maybe someone will stretch with Carson Wentz
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Originally posted by: larryallen73 Without looking who do you think the Todd McShay mock draft has as first QB taken?
It's gotta be Paxton Lynch or Jared Goff. I don't think there will be any other QB's drafted in the first round. Maybe someone will stretch with Carson Wentz
mark
You are too smart! McShay predicts Lynch at #2 overall. He predicts 3 QB's in first round:
2. Cleveland Browns Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis Tigers* Lynch has been an extremely efficient passer for the Tigers this season (69.0 completion rate, 28 TDs vs. 3 INTs) -- and he showed up in a big way against Memphis' best opponent (Ole Miss). He has not yet declared for the draft -- and I still have a lot of work to do on him in terms of analyzing his work ethic, leadership skills, mental makeup and durability history -- but Lynch has the physical skills to develop into a good starting NFL QB, which Cleveland needs.
5. San Francisco 49ers Jared Goff, QB, California Golden Bears* This is assuming the 49ers move on from Colin Kaepernick in the offseason. I think Goff would benefit from returning to school for his senior season to get bigger and stronger, but I get the sense that's not going to happen. He got into some bad habits with his mechanics behind an O-line that did not protect well, but when his feet are right, he can be deadly accurate. With a high football IQ and great work ethic, I have faith he will put in the time to get better.
30. Arizona Cardinals Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State Bison Wentz would be the ideal quarterback for Bruce Arians to groom behind soon-to-be 36-year-old Carson Palmer. The FCS product isn't ready to start from Day 1, but he has a lot of developmental upside, with good size, arm strength and mobility. He's coming off a wrist injury, so his draft stock could be impacted by how that checks out with teams. But it won't surprise me if Wentz winds up among the top 40 picks.
Without looking who do you think the Todd McShay mock draft has as first QB taken?
It's gotta be Paxton Lynch or Jared Goff. I don't think there will be any other QB's drafted in the first round. Maybe someone will stretch with Carson Wentz
mark
You are too smart! McShay predicts Lynch at #2 overall. He predicts 3 QB's in first round:
2. Cleveland Browns
Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis Tigers*
Lynch has been an extremely efficient passer for the Tigers this season (69.0 completion rate, 28 TDs vs. 3 INTs) -- and he showed up in a big way against Memphis' best opponent (Ole Miss). He has not yet declared for the draft -- and I still have a lot of work to do on him in terms of analyzing his work ethic, leadership skills, mental makeup and durability history -- but Lynch has the physical skills to develop into a good starting NFL QB, which Cleveland needs.
5. San Francisco 49ers
Jared Goff, QB, California Golden Bears*
This is assuming the 49ers move on from Colin Kaepernick in the offseason. I think Goff would benefit from returning to school for his senior season to get bigger and stronger, but I get the sense that's not going to happen. He got into some bad habits with his mechanics behind an O-line that did not protect well, but when his feet are right, he can be deadly accurate. With a high football IQ and great work ethic, I have faith he will put in the time to get better.
30. Arizona Cardinals
Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State Bison
Wentz would be the ideal quarterback for Bruce Arians to groom behind soon-to-be 36-year-old Carson Palmer. The FCS product isn't ready to start from Day 1, but he has a lot of developmental upside, with good size, arm strength and mobility. He's coming off a wrist injury, so his draft stock could be impacted by how that checks out with teams. But it won't surprise me if Wentz winds up among the top 40 picks.
I would have thought he had Goff higher. Personally I think Wentz will be the best Qb in this class eventually .....mark
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Without looking who do you think the Todd McShay mock draft has as first QB taken?
Ohio State
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Originally posted by: larryallen73 Without looking who do you think the Todd McShay mock draft has as first QB taken?
Ohio State
I have no doubt Braxton Miller, J.T.Barrett, and Cardale Jones will be among the first five players chosen in the draft. Just behind Ezekiel Elliott and Joey Bosa.
Without looking who do you think the Todd McShay mock draft has as first QB taken?
Ohio State
I have no doubt Braxton Miller, J.T.Barrett, and Cardale Jones will be among the first five players chosen in the draft. Just behind Ezekiel Elliott and Joey Bosa.
Welcome back Brick and you've been missed!
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this will be close, probably the number one pick rests on who wins in the final three games, the Browns or the Titans with the Chargers drafting third. Cleveland probably blew the number one pick by beating a really, really bad San Francisco team last week. despite the overall league preference for QB's it's hard to understand why any Team would pass on Bosa if he's available. he will make an impact in a way that the best QB pick can't. I realize that this choice, a QB or Bosa, might be a hard one to decide on for some GM's which is why I can only pray hard that the Cleveland Browns cut any and all ties with Ray Farmer the day after the Pittsburgh Steelers shellac them in game 16. it is the right move.
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They predicted Bama was going to win it last year. lol
They predicted OSU would win it this year, lol.
They would if they would've got voted in.
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There are games going on. Utah scored 35 in the first quarter and then held on to win 35-28. 3 interceptions and a fumble by BYU in the first quarter. Ouch.
Originally posted by: keets They would if they would've got voted in.
you're welcome!!
hey Larry, what happened to Utah that they fell so far after mid-season??
I said all season they weren't very good. I watched Utah v. Utah State early in the season and Utah certainly didn't blow them out. In fact, Utah State outplayed Utah the first half. Utah got boosted up, in the media, when they beat Oregon. However, Oregon was down a bit at that time (injured QB I believe). I thus think Utah was a product of media hype for the most part.
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I keep seeing 5-5 as the Big Ten bowl record. Why is the championship game being ignored? Isn't that the most important of all games? It seems odd to keep leaving it out of the record.
Furthermore, the Big Ten went 4-1 (3-0 in the "Big 6") on New Years Eve, New Years Day & the Championship game, while the SEC was going 1-4 (0-3 in the "Big 6") This perception is not based on some degraded expectations. 4-1 in the major bowls including the National Champion. Why are we getting this nonsensical revisionism? The Big Ten had a great 2014-15 bowl season. Period.
The danger of looking at raw bowl records is that it is not apples to apples. As I pointed out in a previous post, the Big Ten is playing a better caliber of teams in the bowls (more Top 25 and more Top 10). The Pac-12 has 10 bowl games this year and 4 of them will be against the Mountain West, Conference USA and an independent (BYU). The Big Ten has one such game (MAC) and also has 2 teams with 5-7 records who are only here because of the academic record. The Pac-12 always does well because they are forced to play a large percentage of those 2nd tier bowls against the smaller conferences. I know they want to get into the bigger bowls, but the SEC, Big Ten & Big 12 have gobbled them all up, so this is not a criticism on the Pac-12. This is a criticism of using raw bowl record as meaningful in any way.
I agree on your first statement. It would seem the championship game should count.
As to your second, ok. You have proven to all of us the Big 10 is best and the SEC or the Pac 12 or whoever you want to be is the worst. I now feel less of myself, as a human, for thinking otherwise.
As to the third it seems like you are setting it up in case you don't win as much as you hope to in these bowl games. Sort of setting up your excuses ahead of time. Let's play the games and then make excuses!
600! And Larry that's exactly how I read it as well. Bullseye
mark
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I keep seeing 5-5 as the Big Ten bowl record. Why is the championship game being ignored? Isn't that the most important of all games? It seems odd to keep leaving it out of the record.
Furthermore, the Big Ten went 4-1 (3-0 in the "Big 6") on New Years Eve, New Years Day & the Championship game, while the SEC was going 1-4 (0-3 in the "Big 6") This perception is not based on some degraded expectations. 4-1 in the major bowls including the National Champion. Why are we getting this nonsensical revisionism? The Big Ten had a great 2014-15 bowl season. Period.
The danger of looking at raw bowl records is that it is not apples to apples. As I pointed out in a previous post, the Big Ten is playing a better caliber of teams in the bowls (more Top 25 and more Top 10). The Pac-12 has 10 bowl games this year and 4 of them will be against the Mountain West, Conference USA and an independent (BYU). The Big Ten has one such game (MAC) and also has 2 teams with 5-7 records who are only here because of the academic record. The Pac-12 always does well because they are forced to play a large percentage of those 2nd tier bowls against the smaller conferences. I know they want to get into the bigger bowls, but the SEC, Big Ten & Big 12 have gobbled them all up, so this is not a criticism on the Pac-12. This is a criticism of using raw bowl record as meaningful in any way.
I actually mentioned 5-5 in bowl games and 6-5 including the championship. Those are facts.
I also pulled out the key games where there is good symmetry as the games to judge:
USC vs Wisconsin
Iowa vs Stanford
MSU vs Alabama
Michigan vs Florida
Northwestern vs Tennessee
Penn State vs Georgia
The balance I don't care too much about as I view them insignificant. If the Big Ten goes 4-2 in these games I will be impressed. Fair enough?
mark
... and if they don't go 4-2 it's because of the SEC bias!
and ESPN and Fox and Jeff Long and the AP and USA Today pollsters and the weather
mark
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I keep seeing 5-5 as the Big Ten bowl record. Why is the championship game being ignored? Isn't that the most important of all games? It seems odd to keep leaving it out of the record.
Maybe the haters don't consider Oregon a legit team lol.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Why were Teams with sub-500 records invited to Bowls?? Has this happened in the past?? Will it set a precedent??
The reason is because they didn't have enough teams to fill up the bowl slots. So it was either take a 5-7 team or cancel the game.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Is Adolphus Washington going to be suspended for the Notre Dame game? He was arrested for solicitation.
mark
And the answer turns out to be yes.
mark
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Alabama halfback Derrick Henry was the big winner from Thursday night's college football awards show, taking home the Walter Camp Player of the Year, the Maxwell Player of the Year and the Doak Walker as the nation's best running back.
Clemson's Deshaun Watson won the Davey O'Brien as the nation's best quarterback.
Temple's Tyler Matakevich won the Chuck Bednarik and Bronko Nagurski, both given to the nation's best defensive player. The Butkus, given to the best linebacker went to Notre Dame's Jaylon Smith.
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Finished 1st in the east division. The Big 10 acknowledges co-champions of a division when 2 teams have the same record.
Take away one fluke play(the Michigan punt against Mich State) and the Buckeyes would be conference champions.
Did Ohio play in the conference championship? No? Case closed.
The Big Ten is better this year. Three perennial top teams let the SEC down: Auburn, Georgia
and LSU. They were 6, 9, & 14 in the pre-season polls.
Iowa, Michigan, and Northwestern were not in the pre-season top 25.
Ohio State was pre season number 1 and lost to Michigan State on the last play of the game.
Michigan State lost to Nebraska on a bad call and beat Michigan on a bobbled punt attempt.
Is Adolphus Washington going to be suspended for the Notre Dame game? He was arrested for solicitation.
mark
And the answer turns out to be yes.
mark
If Ohio State loses this is the reason!
I don't have a dog in this fight, but I am going to wade in. (Good time for a mixed metaphor.)
The Big Ten is better this year. Three perennial top teams let the SEC down: Auburn, Georgia
and LSU. They were 6, 9, & 14 in the pre-season polls.
Iowa, Michigan, and Northwestern were not in the pre-season top 25.
Ohio State was pre season number 1 and lost to Michigan State on the last play of the game.
Michigan State lost to Nebraska on a bad call and beat Michigan on a bobbled punt attempt.
The Big Ten has had a GREAT year. I would love to see them cap it off and punctuate it with a good bowl season
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Too bad Zeke didn't get more carries.
Elliot: 6.38 yards per carry
Henry: 5.85 yards per carry
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Elliot: Watching Henry in the playoffs
Henry: In the playoffs
Elliot: Watching Henry in the playoffs
42-35
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
First Team
Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year Carl Nassib was among the selections from the conference, the Nittany Lions' defensive end joined by Ohio State offensive tackle Taylor Decker, Michigan State center Jack Allen, Iowa cornerback Desmond King and Ohio State safety Vonn Bell.
Nassib also won the Lombari for best lineman/linebacker in the country
The Big Ten was well represented on the second team
Ohio State running back Ezekiel Elliott, Michigan State offensive tackle Jack Conklin, Ohio State guard Pat Elflein, Michigan tight end Jake Butt, Ohio State defensive end Joey Bosa, Wisconsin linebacker Joe Schobert and Michigan cornerback Jourdan Lewis were all named to the second team.
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All SEC starting backfield and the First, Second and Third Teams in their entirity
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Henry: In the playoffs
Elliot: Watching Henry in the playoffs
42-35
Overall series:
Bama-3
OSU-1
Henry: In the playoffs
Elliot: Watching Henry in the playoffs
42-35
Overall series:
Bama-3
OSU-1
Playoff record:
Ohio State - 2-0
Alabama - 0-1
Weeks at AP NO. 1
Ohio State - 105
Alabama - 73
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
I keep seeing 5-5 as the Big Ten bowl record. Why is the championship game being ignored? Isn't that the most important of all games? It seems odd to keep leaving it out of the record.
Furthermore, the Big Ten went 4-1 (3-0 in the "Big 6") on New Years Eve, New Years Day & the Championship game, while the SEC was going 1-4 (0-3 in the "Big 6") This perception is not based on some degraded expectations. 4-1 in the major bowls including the National Champion. Why are we getting this nonsensical revisionism? The Big Ten had a great 2014-15 bowl season. Period.
The danger of looking at raw bowl records is that it is not apples to apples. As I pointed out in a previous post, the Big Ten is playing a better caliber of teams in the bowls (more Top 25 and more Top 10). The Pac-12 has 10 bowl games this year and 4 of them will be against the Mountain West, Conference USA and an independent (BYU). The Big Ten has one such game (MAC) and also has 2 teams with 5-7 records who are only here because of the academic record. The Pac-12 always does well because they are forced to play a large percentage of those 2nd tier bowls against the smaller conferences. I know they want to get into the bigger bowls, but the SEC, Big Ten & Big 12 have gobbled them all up, so this is not a criticism on the Pac-12. This is a criticism of using raw bowl record as meaningful in any way.
I actually mentioned 5-5 in bowl games and 6-5 including the championship. Those are facts.
I also pulled out the key games where there is good symmetry as the games to judge:
USC vs Wisconsin
Iowa vs Stanford
MSU vs Alabama
Michigan vs Florida
Northwestern vs Tennessee
Penn State vs Georgia
The balance I don't care too much about as I view them insignificant. If the Big Ten goes 4-2 in these games I will be impressed. Fair enough?
mark
Fair enough. Although I'm just looking at your first 5 as the "key games" + Ohio State v. Notre Dame. I expect 4-2 in that.
I keep seeing 5-5 as the Big Ten bowl record. Why is the championship game being ignored? Isn't that the most important of all games? It seems odd to keep leaving it out of the record.
Furthermore, the Big Ten went 4-1 (3-0 in the "Big 6") on New Years Eve, New Years Day & the Championship game, while the SEC was going 1-4 (0-3 in the "Big 6") This perception is not based on some degraded expectations. 4-1 in the major bowls including the National Champion. Why are we getting this nonsensical revisionism? The Big Ten had a great 2014-15 bowl season. Period.
The danger of looking at raw bowl records is that it is not apples to apples. As I pointed out in a previous post, the Big Ten is playing a better caliber of teams in the bowls (more Top 25 and more Top 10). The Pac-12 has 10 bowl games this year and 4 of them will be against the Mountain West, Conference USA and an independent (BYU). The Big Ten has one such game (MAC) and also has 2 teams with 5-7 records who are only here because of the academic record. The Pac-12 always does well because they are forced to play a large percentage of those 2nd tier bowls against the smaller conferences. I know they want to get into the bigger bowls, but the SEC, Big Ten & Big 12 have gobbled them all up, so this is not a criticism on the Pac-12. This is a criticism of using raw bowl record as meaningful in any way.
I agree on your first statement. It would seem the championship game should count.
As to your second, ok. You have proven to all of us the Big 10 is best and the SEC or the Pac 12 or whoever you want to be is the worst. I now feel less of myself, as a human, for thinking otherwise.
As to the third it seems like you are setting it up in case you don't win as much as you hope to in these bowl games. Sort of setting up your excuses ahead of time. Let's play the games and then make excuses!
600! And Larry that's exactly how I read it as well. Bullseye
mark
I'm not sure where you guys got that I was saying the Big Ten is best and the SEC and PAC12 are the worst. I'm just saying that the raw bowl records are a flawed measure because of the quality of the various bowl games.
For all the talk about schedule strength that has gone on in this thread, there seems to be some ignoring of it at an odd time if we are putting weight on the bowl record.
I keep seeing 5-5 as the Big Ten bowl record. Why is the championship game being ignored? Isn't that the most important of all games? It seems odd to keep leaving it out of the record.
Furthermore, the Big Ten went 4-1 (3-0 in the "Big 6") on New Years Eve, New Years Day & the Championship game, while the SEC was going 1-4 (0-3 in the "Big 6") This perception is not based on some degraded expectations. 4-1 in the major bowls including the National Champion. Why are we getting this nonsensical revisionism? The Big Ten had a great 2014-15 bowl season. Period.
The danger of looking at raw bowl records is that it is not apples to apples. As I pointed out in a previous post, the Big Ten is playing a better caliber of teams in the bowls (more Top 25 and more Top 10). The Pac-12 has 10 bowl games this year and 4 of them will be against the Mountain West, Conference USA and an independent (BYU). The Big Ten has one such game (MAC) and also has 2 teams with 5-7 records who are only here because of the academic record. The Pac-12 always does well because they are forced to play a large percentage of those 2nd tier bowls against the smaller conferences. I know they want to get into the bigger bowls, but the SEC, Big Ten & Big 12 have gobbled them all up, so this is not a criticism on the Pac-12. This is a criticism of using raw bowl record as meaningful in any way.
I actually mentioned 5-5 in bowl games and 6-5 including the championship. Those are facts.
I also pulled out the key games where there is good symmetry as the games to judge:
USC vs Wisconsin
Iowa vs Stanford
MSU vs Alabama
Michigan vs Florida
Northwestern vs Tennessee
Penn State vs Georgia
The balance I don't care too much about as I view them insignificant. If the Big Ten goes 4-2 in these games I will be impressed. Fair enough?
mark
Fair enough. Although I'm just looking at your first 5 as the "key games" + Ohio State v. Notre Dame. I expect 4-2 in that.
I couldn't include OSU as they don't play a SEC or PAC 12 team. IF you count USC (five losses) vs Wisconsin (3 losses) you gotta include Georgia ( 3 losses) vs Penn St ( five losses). It's a wash
mark
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Without looking who do you think the Todd McShay mock draft has as first QB taken?
It's gotta be Paxton Lynch or Jared Goff. I don't think there will be any other QB's drafted in the first round. Maybe someone will stretch with Carson Wentz
mark
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Without looking who do you think the Todd McShay mock draft has as first QB taken?
It's gotta be Paxton Lynch or Jared Goff. I don't think there will be any other QB's drafted in the first round. Maybe someone will stretch with Carson Wentz
mark
You are too smart! McShay predicts Lynch at #2 overall. He predicts 3 QB's in first round:
2. Cleveland Browns
Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis Tigers*
Lynch has been an extremely efficient passer for the Tigers this season (69.0 completion rate, 28 TDs vs. 3 INTs) -- and he showed up in a big way against Memphis' best opponent (Ole Miss). He has not yet declared for the draft -- and I still have a lot of work to do on him in terms of analyzing his work ethic, leadership skills, mental makeup and durability history -- but Lynch has the physical skills to develop into a good starting NFL QB, which Cleveland needs.
5. San Francisco 49ers
Jared Goff, QB, California Golden Bears*
This is assuming the 49ers move on from Colin Kaepernick in the offseason. I think Goff would benefit from returning to school for his senior season to get bigger and stronger, but I get the sense that's not going to happen. He got into some bad habits with his mechanics behind an O-line that did not protect well, but when his feet are right, he can be deadly accurate. With a high football IQ and great work ethic, I have faith he will put in the time to get better.
30. Arizona Cardinals
Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State Bison
Wentz would be the ideal quarterback for Bruce Arians to groom behind soon-to-be 36-year-old Carson Palmer. The FCS product isn't ready to start from Day 1, but he has a lot of developmental upside, with good size, arm strength and mobility. He's coming off a wrist injury, so his draft stock could be impacted by how that checks out with teams. But it won't surprise me if Wentz winds up among the top 40 picks.
Without looking who do you think the Todd McShay mock draft has as first QB taken?
It's gotta be Paxton Lynch or Jared Goff. I don't think there will be any other QB's drafted in the first round. Maybe someone will stretch with Carson Wentz
mark
You are too smart! McShay predicts Lynch at #2 overall. He predicts 3 QB's in first round:
2. Cleveland Browns
Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis Tigers*
Lynch has been an extremely efficient passer for the Tigers this season (69.0 completion rate, 28 TDs vs. 3 INTs) -- and he showed up in a big way against Memphis' best opponent (Ole Miss). He has not yet declared for the draft -- and I still have a lot of work to do on him in terms of analyzing his work ethic, leadership skills, mental makeup and durability history -- but Lynch has the physical skills to develop into a good starting NFL QB, which Cleveland needs.
5. San Francisco 49ers
Jared Goff, QB, California Golden Bears*
This is assuming the 49ers move on from Colin Kaepernick in the offseason. I think Goff would benefit from returning to school for his senior season to get bigger and stronger, but I get the sense that's not going to happen. He got into some bad habits with his mechanics behind an O-line that did not protect well, but when his feet are right, he can be deadly accurate. With a high football IQ and great work ethic, I have faith he will put in the time to get better.
30. Arizona Cardinals
Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State Bison
Wentz would be the ideal quarterback for Bruce Arians to groom behind soon-to-be 36-year-old Carson Palmer. The FCS product isn't ready to start from Day 1, but he has a lot of developmental upside, with good size, arm strength and mobility. He's coming off a wrist injury, so his draft stock could be impacted by how that checks out with teams. But it won't surprise me if Wentz winds up among the top 40 picks.
I would have thought he had Goff higher. Personally I think Wentz will be the best Qb in this class eventually .....mark
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Without looking who do you think the Todd McShay mock draft has as first QB taken?
Ohio State
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Without looking who do you think the Todd McShay mock draft has as first QB taken?
Ohio State
That's more like it!
Without looking who do you think the Todd McShay mock draft has as first QB taken?
Ohio State
I have no doubt Braxton Miller, J.T.Barrett, and Cardale Jones will be among the first five players chosen in the draft. Just behind Ezekiel Elliott and Joey Bosa.
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Without looking who do you think the Todd McShay mock draft has as first QB taken?
Ohio State
I have no doubt Braxton Miller, J.T.Barrett, and Cardale Jones will be among the first five players chosen in the draft. Just behind Ezekiel Elliott and Joey Bosa.
Welcome back Brick and you've been missed!
mark
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this will be close, probably the number one pick rests on who wins in the final three games, the Browns or the Titans with the Chargers drafting third. Cleveland probably blew the number one pick by beating a really, really bad San Francisco team last week. despite the overall league preference for QB's it's hard to understand why any Team would pass on Bosa if he's available. he will make an impact in a way that the best QB pick can't. I realize that this choice, a QB or Bosa, might be a hard one to decide on for some GM's which is why I can only pray hard that the Cleveland Browns cut any and all ties with Ray Farmer the day after the Pittsburgh Steelers shellac them in game 16. it is the right move.
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IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
They predicted Bama was going to win it last year. lol
They predicted OSU would win it this year, lol.
I say Oklahoma wins it all next year.
no they didn't, he's talking about the prediction coming after the final four have been chosen.
They predicted OSU would win it this year, lol.
no they didn't, he's talking about the prediction coming after the final four have been chosen.
They predicted OSU would be #1 which would have put them in the playoffs.
It makes sense under the new regime
mark
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you are free to believe as you choose, but you'll end up arguing with yourself. have a nice day.
They predicted........................
you are free to believe as you choose, but you'll end up arguing with yourself. have a nice day.
Thanks for caring, have a nice day, right back at ya.
They predicted Bama was going to win it last year. lol
They predicted OSU would win it this year, lol.
They would if they would've got voted in.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
They predicted Bama was going to win it last year. lol
They predicted OSU would win it this year, lol.
They would if they would've got voted in.
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
you're welcome!!
hey Larry, what happened to Utah that they fell so far after mid-season??
They would if they would've got voted in.
you're welcome!!
hey Larry, what happened to Utah that they fell so far after mid-season??
I said all season they weren't very good. I watched Utah v. Utah State early in the season and Utah certainly didn't blow them out. In fact, Utah State outplayed Utah the first half. Utah got boosted up, in the media, when they beat Oregon. However, Oregon was down a bit at that time (injured QB I believe). I thus think Utah was a product of media hype for the most part.