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    SONOMOSCASONOMOSCA Posts: 406 ✭✭✭
    For comparison: cheapy shipping for both to AZ.

    Order #1 at 12:08 (USM041211XX) Qty 2 Picked up 4/22 departed 4/25 Scheduled 4/28 UPS Ground.

    Order #2 at 12:13 (USM041304XX) Qty 1 Picked up 4/25 departed 4/26 Scheduled 4/30 Fedex Smartpost.

    What I don't get is why my order of 1 needed a box over twice the size of my order of 2?image
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    RaufusRaufus Posts: 6,784 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: SONOMOSCA
    For comparison: cheapy shipping for both to AZ.

    Order #1 at 12:08 (USM041211XX) Qty 2 Picked up 4/22 departed 4/25 Scheduled 4/28 UPS Ground.

    Order #2 at 12:13 (USM041304XX) Qty 1 Picked up 4/25 departed 4/26 Scheduled 4/30 Fedex Smartpost.

    What I don't get is why my order of 1 needed a box over twice the size of my order of 2?image


    As always, not shipped in order of order placement time. As mentioned, my 12:11 order in processing..
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    GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 3,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    New Mint policy,

    First strikes ship last

    Last orders ship first.

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    RaufusRaufus Posts: 6,784 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: jwitten
    Originally posted by: Raufus
    One of my friends who got shut out because he was a work and couldn't break away right at noon asked: "Why don't they release these at say 8 pm Eastern so that everyone can have a shot at them?" Great question. I've never understood why they release items at noon.


    And everyone on the west coast is stuck in a traffic jam trying to get home?? There will not be one perfect time. Most people can spare a few minutes. If not, be prepared and have a family or friend do it for you.


    Noon really sucks. Like many it's very difficult for me to be available to fight the Mint site for 20 min.

    Conventional wisdom on eBay is to end auctions at 8 or 9 PM Eastern. Not too late for East coast and West coast folks generally finished at work. If the job is out at five could stay to order.

    Just as its foolish to end an eBay auction at noon it's not easy for many to order at work.

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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,322 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Raufus

    One of my friends who got shut out because he was a work and couldn't break away right at noon asked: "Why don't they release these at say 8 pm Eastern so that everyone can have a shot at them?" Great question. I've never understood why they release items at noon.






    There is no perfect time.

    8pm eastern is 5pm pacific. Many people are leaving work/stuck in traffic/etc.



    By that token, why not 10pm pacific? image

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    GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 3,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There is no perfect time for everyone, that is why I keep pushing for lower order limits, so that even if you can't order the first day, hour, or minute, there is a good chance to get a coin direct without paying in the aftermarket.

    Also the mint needs to get a real programmer to manage their orders and payments properly and make sure orders are shipped in the order received and paid for.
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    Falk25Falk25 Posts: 110 ✭✭
    Another frustrated longtime US Mint customer. Order USM04117XXX placed at 12:06. Order Status: PROCESSING
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    GhosOfRudyGhosOfRudy Posts: 108 ✭✭✭
    My CC pending also disappeared around the same time as shipping. Gimme them free mercs!
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    KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Goldminers

    There is no perfect time for everyone, that is why I keep pushing for lower order limits, so that even if you can't order the first day, hour, or minute, there is a good chance to get a coin direct without paying in the aftermarket.



    Also the mint needs to get a real programmer to manage their orders and payments properly and make sure orders are shipped in the order received and paid for.




    The danger of lower HH limits is increased minion buying and therefore increased server load at the mint catalog resulting in more slowdown and crashes. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.


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    GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 3,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes I agreed with you that is a temporary risk, but my solution is to fix the computer servers, and not just keep allowing this crazy flip-flopping and unfair mania that this hobby has turned into.
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    goldbuffalogoldbuffalo Posts: 618 ✭✭✭
    Yep, same for me on two orders above below number not shipped, ping gone.

    All orders below 4132*** have shipped.

    notices came in just a few minutes ago, check your emails.


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    HalfStrikeHalfStrike Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭
    The mint prefers to make the coins available to those that aren't working. It's the new economy.image
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    engmticengmtic Posts: 107 ✭✭
    Originally posted by: goldbuffalo

    Yep, same for me on two orders above below number not shipped, ping gone.



    All orders below 4132*** have shipped.



    notices came in just a few minutes ago, check your emails.









    mine are 4120xxx and 4129xx and have not shipped...still the accursed "processing" status mocking me
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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,322 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mine shipped...UPS ground.

    Because I am on the west coast, it will take a solid week to get to me (from Monday to Monday). Some haven't shipped yet and they will get theirs before me with the same, or even slower, shipping.

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    mdkuommdkuom Posts: 969 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: engmtic
    Originally posted by: goldbuffalo
    Yep, same for me on two orders above below number not shipped, ping gone.

    All orders below 4132*** have shipped.

    notices came in just a few minutes ago, check your emails.




    mine are 4120xxx and 4129xx and have not shipped...still the accursed "processing" status mocking me



    Same here for order #4120XXX
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    GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 3,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have thought a lot about this problem. I will toss out an idea that I am sure some will not like, but maybe some will.

    What if, for every new coin the Mint has, they announce a 24 hour "first day" window for all purchasers with a one coin limit per household. No rush of this second or that for ordering, all are the treated the same in the 24 hours. The minimum mintage should be the same as the number of orders in the first 24 hours. That way everyone has an equal chance to own the coin at the same price.

    Then after that allow larger household limits to go into effect. This would allow all real collectors and the public enthusiasts who just want a nice coin from the Mint at the lowest price. After that it can be a free for all like now, where many have been burned with scenarios of ordering first and receiving last.
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    bestdaybestday Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: mdkuom
    Originally posted by: engmtic
    Originally posted by: goldbuffalo
    Yep, same for me on two orders above below number not shipped, ping gone.

    All orders below 4132*** have shipped.

    notices came in just a few minutes ago, check your emails.




    mine are 4120xxx and 4129xx and have not shipped...still the accursed "processing" status mocking me



    Same here for order #4120XXX


    The more the delay.... more likely to hit price declines ..not good

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    jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just got several emails for shipping notifications! 2 out of 4 orders. I used 2 credit cards overall, which in the past has worked for multiple addresses. I wonder if for this order, they are only allowing 10 sets per card instead of per address? Here's hoping I get all my orders!
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    VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: jwitten

    Just got several emails for shipping notifications!




    You dirty dog! image



    Originally posted by: Goldminers

    I have thought a lot about this problem. I will toss out an idea that I am sure some will not like, but maybe some will.



    What if, for every new coin the Mint has, they announce a 24 hour "first day" window for all purchasers with a one coin limit per household. No rush of this second or that for ordering, all are the treated the same in the 24 hours. The minimum mintage should be the same as the number of orders in the first 24 hours. That way everyone has an equal chance to own the coin at the same price.



    Then after that allow larger household limits to go into effect. This would allow all real collectors and the public enthusiasts who just want a nice coin from the Mint at the lowest price. After that it can be a free for all like now, where many have been burned with scenarios of ordering first and receiving last.




    There's only one problem with your plan. It involves logical thinking so throw that one out the door! image



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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,322 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Goldminers

    I have thought a lot about this problem. I will toss out an idea that I am sure some will not like, but maybe some will.



    What if, for every new coin the Mint has, they announce a 24 hour "first day" window for all purchasers with a one coin limit per household. No rush of this second or that for ordering, all are the treated the same in the 24 hours. The minimum mintage should be the same as the number of orders in the first 24 hours. That way everyone has an equal chance to own the coin at the same price.



    Then after that allow larger household limits to go into effect. This would allow all real collectors and the public enthusiasts who just want a nice coin from the Mint at the lowest price. After that it can be a free for all like now, where many have been burned with scenarios of ordering first and receiving last.








    Works on the receiving end, but the reality is that they have too many offerings and are under the gun to deliver. They can't do it the way you suggest as they need to have a tighter understanding of the timeline of "delivery" and sales. Stretching it out the way you suggest puts them in a position of not being able to plan as efficiently (not saying they are efficient but that it would be even worse)

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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,382 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Maybe the mint should start charging sales tax. Give us something new to complain about.

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    brendanlambrendanlam Posts: 662 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: derryb

    Maybe the mint should start charging sales tax. Give us something new to complain about.




    Hey derryb, what everyone wants is the mint come up with a high quality coin that available for everyone to order, ship out to everyone at same time, and value not depreciation over time. Hihihihi
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    mdkuommdkuom Posts: 969 ✭✭✭
    Finally received my shipping notification about 40 minutes ago.
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    WeissWeiss Posts: 9,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
    4120XXX shipped yesterday and are to be delivered tomorrow.

    What if it's not what time you completed your order, but how quickly you put them in your cart (or bag?). Because I had mine in the bag within about 20 seconds of the product going live. But it took several tries and more than a few minutes to finally get my card to process--in part because I tried to change my shipping address.
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    youniqueyounique Posts: 882 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: goldbuffalo
    Yep, same for me on two orders above below number not shipped, ping gone.

    All orders below 4132*** have shipped.

    notices came in just a few minutes ago, check your emails.




    Not true. I have a 412 which has not shipped and no problem with cc. Two other orders shipped, one in hand.

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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,051 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll take ten at issue price and go long on gold. Maybe trade ten gold dimes, for 3 BULLION one ounce gold coins (AGEs) , pretty soon. Time will tell. I won't prognosticate, though.
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    OperationButterOperationButter Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭
    My guess is that the very first orders of 10 in an order are being shipped out. They probably had prepackaged a certain % in lots of 1,2,3...10. The fact that the product sold out in roughly 17k orders (equals nearly 7.5 coins per order) probably threw the mint a curveball that they werent prepared for. No idea what they estimated, but lets say it was 30% of all orders was orders of 10. If those 30% were ordered in the first minute or two, those were most likely the packages shipped. The rest of us wait for them to arrange the packages in boxes of 10. The orders less than 10 have nearly all been shipped. Just my WAG but the timeline and order history makes sense. I have 4 orders of 10 and 2 orders of 2. My very first order (which i havent seen someone have a lower order on the boards) has been shipped. My other 3 orders of 10 have yet to be shipped but CC has been pinged. My 2 orders of 2, which were ordered in the last 3-5 minutes of being available have been shipped.
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    Falk25Falk25 Posts: 110 ✭✭
    Not true. My order of 2 placed at 12:06, Order USM04117XXX is still processing.
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,595 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't believe there's any way to determine how and why orders are being processed and shipped as they are. There appears to be absolutely no rhyme or reason to it. I got both my orders today for an order placed at about 12:10~one by UPS and one by Fed Ex Smartpost.


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    mbogomanmbogoman Posts: 5,165 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't believe there's any way to determine how and why orders are being processed and shipped as they are. There appears to be absolutely no rhyme or reason to it. I got both my orders today for an order placed at about 12:10~one by UPS and one by Fed Ex Smartpost.




    This.



    It is as it has always been and always will be, from here to eternity. FIFO is a dream. It flat out does not occur. My order of 10, completed in the first 45 seconds, 41165xxx was in Processing until Monday night. My friend's order of 2, completed at 12:12, 41218xxx shipped Friday morning.



    And, my account has had no changes in recent history, same CC, same shipping address, etc.



    So yes, you can speculate all you want, but the simple fact is that the mint marches to its own arbitrary drummer...
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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,382 ✭✭✭✭✭
    differences in ship time might be explained by differences in credit card charge approval time. What credit card are the early shipped using?

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    BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: derryb
    differences in ship time might be explained by differences in credit card charge approval time.


    Could be.

    When my credit card was hit up with some fraudulent charges and had to re-register the CC number with the mint, the next order I had (the Twain gold?) got didn't get a ship number until some 24 hours or more after other early orders were gone. And the amount of product sold (as well as the customer base) was minuscule compared with this one. I was only seriously delayed that one time.

    Both dime orders I had were on different accounts with separate, but well established credit cards with the mint. Both are with national, too-big-to-fail banks.
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    HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,109 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If just a few of the big guys suddenly had thousands of graded coins and none had been shipped to other customers it would be too obvious as to what is happening. A random bunch of shipments to help cover the ways of distribution. It is what it is and always will be. FIFO is a pipe dream and will not work in this inviornment.image
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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,382 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: BackroadJunkie
    Originally posted by: derryb
    differences in ship time might be explained by differences in credit card charge approval time.


    Could be.

    When my credit card was hit up with some fraudulent charges and had to re-register the CC number with the mint, the next order I had (the Twain gold?) got didn't get a ship number until some 24 hours or more after other early orders were gone. And the amount of product sold (as well as the customer base) was minuscule compared with this one. I was only seriously delayed that one time.

    Both dime orders I had were on different accounts with separate, but well established credit cards with the mint. Both are with national, too-big-to-fail banks.

    I was referring to the different type of cards (visa, discover, AmEx, ie.). There may different lag times at the CC to approve a pending charge.

    What type card are the early shippers using?

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    mbogomanmbogoman Posts: 5,165 ✭✭✭✭✭
    differences in ship time might be explained by differences in credit card charge approval time. What credit card are the early shipped using?




    No. I called the mint and I called my CC company. The CC company said it was the mint holding up the charge. The mint said they were still processing.



    FWIW - my CC is a Mastercard from a major bank and I had over $38K of available credit at the time of ordering.



    Stop trying to rationalize the mint's behavior. There is no pattern and it is a waste of time. The mint processes orders when they get to them. Always have, always will. It doesn't matter what shipping option you choose, what card you use, where you live, what your order number is, when you ordered, the alignment of the planets, how many times you've been married, if you've had a sex change and which bathroom you use, whether or not you have hair, when your last shower was, how many dogs you have, or what color the critter on Donald Trump's head is. It is random, pure and simple.
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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,382 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: mbogoman
    differences in ship time might be explained by differences in credit card charge approval time. What credit card are the early shipped using?


    No. I called the mint and I called my CC company. The CC company said it was the mint holding up the charge. The mint said they were still processing.

    FWIW - my CC is a Mastercard from a major bank and I had over $38K of available credit at the time of ordering.

    Stop trying to rationalize the mint's behavior. There is no pattern and it is a waste of time. The mint processes orders when they get to them. Always have, always will. It doesn't matter what shipping option you choose, what card you use, where you live, what your order number is, when you ordered, the alignment of the planets, how many times you've been married, if you've had a sex change and which bathroom you use, whether or not you have hair, when your last shower was, how many dogs you have, or what color the critter on Donald Trump's head is. It is random, pure and simple.

    I'm trying to point out that different CC may have different pending timeframes regardless of the available credit. We might just learn that one type card is better for quicker mint shipping.

    One card might process quicker than another. The delay may well be at the CC end of the transaction. Still waiting to hear from those that got quicker shipment on what type card they used.

    I have you down for Mastercard, delayed shipping. Anyone else?

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    GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 3,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Chase Visa one order put in cart/bag within 3 seconds, but did not complete order till 12:04 due to having to re-login and confirm what shipping address and security code. It shipped Friday and received Monday morning with "next day" overnight UPS shipping.
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    VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: mbogoman

    differences in ship time might be explained by differences in credit card charge approval time. What credit card are the early shipped using?




    No. I called the mint and I called my CC company. The CC company said it was the mint holding up the charge. The mint said they were still processing.



    FWIW - my CC is a Mastercard from a major bank and I had over $38K of available credit at the time of ordering.



    Stop trying to rationalize the mint's behavior. There is no pattern and it is a waste of time. The mint processes orders when they get to them. Always have, always will. It doesn't matter what shipping option you choose, what card you use, where you live, what your order number is, when you ordered, the alignment of the planets, how many times you've been married, if you've had a sex change and which bathroom you use, whether or not you have hair, when your last shower was, how many dogs you have, or what color the critter on Donald Trump's head is. It is random, pure and simple.




    I agree it's a crap shoot but I've never waited "In Processing" this long. Same cc and address as previous orders, 10 pieces ordered, 12:12et order with 10 pieces in "My Bag" at 12:01et. Oh well, I guess they'll be here for Mother's Day. imageisgust;



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    bigolebigole Posts: 385 ✭✭✭
    FWIW- I put in two orders with the same Discover card, one for one Mercury and a Silver Proof Set and a bag of S mint quarters (for me), and then an order of the other nine Mercury's (to flip).

    The "custom" order with one Mercury and the other two items went out Smart Post on Friday and is being delivered today. The order of Nine is supposed to go out UPS someday, I guess. It's been "Processing" since Thursday.....

    I see no rhyme or reason to the distribution process, it just seems like luck of the draw.
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    OperationButterOperationButter Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭
    Thinking on it, all orders on my amex cards have shipped. Visa orders havent.



    Some of you need to lighten up. Who gives a sh*t if people want to speculate or not on what is going on. Its all in fun. If you dont like it, dont read it.
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    HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,109 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: OperationButter

    Thinking on it, all orders on my amex cards have shipped. Visa orders havent.



    Some of you need to lighten up. Who gives a sh*t if people want to speculate or not on what is going on. Its all in fun. If you dont like it, dont read it.


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    engmticengmtic Posts: 107 ✭✭
    processing...and some more processing. I expect a really well processed coin when it finally comes. Perhaps a special label to acknowledge that?
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    Am Ex Shipped Friday just got here 5 min ago. Only 1 in my order though! 4124***
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    epcjimi1epcjimi1 Posts: 3,489 ✭✭✭
    random order of CC processing after the ping verification / CC hit for a buck

    random order of shipping after CC confirmation for funds

    queue to queue.
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    cruisersk1cruisersk1 Posts: 190 ✭✭✭
    I bought 9 on my first order, 4127***, and 1 on my second, 4130***. I chose next day shipping for the 9 and regular for the 1. The 1 shipped on Monday and the 9 shipped yesterday. I got them today. The box was sealed with clear packing tape that looked horrible. I don't see how you could have kept this box and told anyone it was sealed from the mint. No glue on the flaps like normal and the tape was all wrinkled and looked horrible. I don't think anyone will get a PL coin as they almost look like the vapor blasted ATB coins. The finish is very grainy.

    The 9 were on a MasterCard and the 1 on a Visa debit card.
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    SONOMOSCASONOMOSCA Posts: 406 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: SONOMOSCA
    For comparison: cheapy shipping for both to AZ.

    Order #1 at 12:08 (USM041211XX) Qty 2 Picked up 4/22 departed 4/25 Scheduled 4/28 UPS Ground.

    Order #2 at 12:13 (USM041304XX) Qty 1 Picked up 4/25 departed 4/26 Scheduled 4/30 Fedex Smartpost.

    What I don't get is why my order of 1 needed a box over twice the size of my order of 2?image



    My purchases above were on VISA.

    Purchased the extra 2 to sell and knock down some of the cost of the one I'm keeping.
    Didn't want to purchase 10, just more of a headache for me. Either gonna list them on
    EBay since I got a promotion to sell ten items and only pay a flat FV fee of $10 each, or put
    them on the BST.
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    bigolebigole Posts: 385 ✭✭✭
    Well, my box of 9 now shows shipped. Order 41228XX.
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    Jackthecat1Jackthecat1 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭
    I have one in my hand right now. It is a pretty little thing.
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    VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭✭✭
    One of my orders finally shows shipped after just 6+ days of processing! Woo Hoo Baby! Order number 041268xx is on the way.





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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,382 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: SONOMOSCA
    Either gonna list them on
    EBay since I got a promotion to sell ten items and only pay a flat FV fee of $10 each, or put
    them on the BST.


    Check the end date on that FVF promotion. Mine ends today.

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