Originally posted by: CaptHenway Not sure about that "WE." Wrong direction and wrong amount of doubling. Might be our old nemesis machine doubling, which can occur on a coin struck from a doubled die.
There is also a small amount of "machine doubling" on the front (left) edge of the neck near the rim.
Originally posted by: BustHalfBrian This example was discovered yesterday by Dennis Tarrant (forum member Numisma) and Victor Romero, and photographed by yours truly. It appears to be no better than FR02, however it is remarkably problem-free.
Does anyone know if this coin was submitted to PCGS? An FR-2 appeared in the Pop Report today, just curious if it's this one or a new one???
EDIT: I heard back from Dennis - this is coin #17 in the pop report. Should be on Great Collections soon.
I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I bought this today under very poor lighting. Sorry for the awful pics. I see a line to the right of the "T" that is more evident in hand. Anything?
Sorry, no. The OD of GOD and RUST of TRUST show dramatic doubling as well, which I don't see in your images. Keep looking though!! There are more out there to be found.
Originally posted by: EagleEye It was shipped yesterday. No TureView although I paid for the service. Does that happen often?
Your cert lookup has that picture now. Have you checked your account for the Tru Views?
Only other update I have for this thread is coin #17 was indeed the FR-2 in the PCGS pop reports. Dennis said it was consigned to GreatCollections, and should be coming up to auction shortly with no reserve.
It was shipped yesterday. No TureView although I paid for the service. Does that happen often?
Your cert lookup has that picture now. Have you checked your account for the Tru Views?
Only other update I have for this thread is coin #17 was indeed the FR-2 in the PCGS pop reports. Dennis said it was consigned to GreatCollections, and should be coming up to auction shortly with no reserve.
Nothing new in the pop reports or forums I watch. If anyone knows of any updates to the census, please let me know.
In the meantime, only 3 days left to bid on coin #17 (PCGS FR-2 CAC) on Great Collections. FYI not mine, just know a lot of folks may be interested in an affordable example. GC don't seem to like to take close-ups, which on varieties don't make sense, but the are nice pics a few posts above this one of it that busthalfbrian took of it.
Could have been due to summer downtime maybe? I find July/August to be the worst sales months especially through auctions, even for better material. Good for buying though. And even though its not monetary, you being the discoverer of such a momentous piece after 100yrs unnoticed is priceless
Could have been due to summer downtime maybe? I find July/August to be the worst sales months especially through auctions, even for better material. Good for buying though. And even though its not monetary, you being the discoverer of such a momentous piece after 100yrs unnoticed is priceless
Just found this thread, hadn't heard of this variety before, looked thru some of my stuff and BAM, got one! Found it in a set I bought on ebay. Freebie Bonus! I'm sending in tomorrow, will post results, hope the scratch doesn't put in a details slab.
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Sandman70gt, Nice photos - thanks for sharing. The die crack left of the T in LIBERTY identifies your specimen as Die Stage B. Do you have a reverse photo? There might be a die crack at C in AMERICA. http://varietyvista.com/06%20M...20Dime/1919PDDO001.htm
Thanks for sharing the reverse photo. Indeed, the crack matches the photo for Die State B on varietyvista. Earlier in this thread, it was noted that 2 of the first 11 specimens were Die State B, so it's the scarcer die state.
Simply amazing...the thousands that have been searched, and he finds one right away. The photo of the reverse makes me think it may end up in a genuine holder, it looks like it may have been cleaned in it's past. That being said it's still a very nice find!
Do you recall when you purchased this particular set off eBay? I ask because there are a few of us who have looked at a lot of auctions for 1919 dimes there and to my knowledge, yours is the first one confirmed as purchased off eBay.
Sean Reynolds
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"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
The set was purchased over a year ago. You could never have seen the 1919 in the pictures. The set had a 1916 d pcgs g6, and a 1942/1 raw in a library of coins album. The album was in great shape, the only reason I kept it. To make this find even better the 16d regraded to vg8, which got me back my original investment. The 42/1 came back vf25 and then the 1919 ddo ! I guess I used up my once in a lifetime find.
Big Congratulations on the find! I'll add it to the census as coin #18.
When I first looked at the pics, I was feeling VG10ish on the obv, but reverse caught me as F12. Not sure if it will straight grade, but I'll list it as VG/F Details? Until you get the results back, please update us when you get the results.
Big Congratulations on the find! I'll add it to the census as coin #18.
When I first looked at the pics, I was feeling VG10ish on the obv, but reverse caught me as F12. Not sure if it will straight grade, but I'll list it as VG/F Details? Until you get the results back, please update us when you get the results.
Thanks to all of you, especially you strikeout for the original find and all the research and this post, I would have never found it without you. Man I really do love and appreciate all the info I have learned on this board from all of you.
Shipped mine out overnight and paid for walkthru. Couldn't stand fo wait for weeks. So should see results quick.Expecting vg10, hoping for a f12, but rev rim looks weak for a 12, just really dont want it to go genuine.
Thanks, it was good to meet you. Pretty crazy the rarity of these and to have two of these coins get found in Portland and then bump into a guy that found one.
As far as keeping or selling, haven't decided. Have to see how good it looks next to my 16d and my 42/41's. Also have to think about where the value may go.
Number 19 found in junk silver at a b&m. I won this one on an ebay auction.
Kinda embarrassed as to what I paid for it. He had it slabbed and then didn't even mention the ddo or fs101 in the listing or description. Guess that's why its called cherrypicking!
I know it's cleaned/details, but the last 2 "Lower" end ones to sell at auction were: FR-2 at at $606.83 and AG-3 at $817.65. Pretty sure he left a little $ on the table the way it was listed.
Census has been updated, 19 so far - who will find #20?
@Sandman70gt said:
Number 19 found in junk silver at a b&m. I won this one on an ebay auction.
Kinda embarrassed as to what I paid for it. He had it slabbed and then didn't even mention the ddo or fs101 in the listing or description. Guess that's why its called cherrypicking!
Nice find!! That's your second example you own now right?
@StrikeOutXXX said:
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Please let me know if you know of any changes or additional pieces
Folks - check your 1919-P Mercs, just got official word - After hiding in plain sight for 96 years...
Confirmed 1919-P DDO
Still waiting on official FS/CONECA numbering, but will likely be in the next CPG among other places.
I'm sure there will be official photos (especially when the XF/AU specimen is photographed) and announcements in the coming weeks (My coin will be off for a Coin World glamor shot soon).
Talk about an exciting few days, thanks for sharing the ride with me.
Jeff
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2/20/15 - Update
The 2nd specimen finally found its way to Bill, allowing proper verification of the discovery coin, which has now been assigned FS-101. Press releases have been sent by Tom DeLorey to the various news outlets, so look for that shortly. Can't wait for someone to find the first uncirculated example! Happy Hunting
Bill Fivaz gave permission to use his picture of the motto of the 2nd Specimen found (XF)
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Per request - this was pulled out of the "Box of Oddities" thread found here: Oddities Thread I also posted it ATS here: NGC Boards Thread
I do not know the full story on this coin. The individual I got it from has had it in his box of oddities for 15-20 years at least. He is a small town "Buyer" of old-time collections, he thinks it would have come in in some collection years ago, but he didn't remember it even being in there specifically. Anything that he saw odd, or came in a 2x2 marked as odd, he put in the boxes he was selling me. Beyond that, he doesn't remember any details.
I've weighed it on a .01 digital scale 10 times, recalibrating between each, and it comes back:
2.40 g every time
1.54 dwt every time
37.0 or 37.1 gn (5 of each)
Seems about right weight-wise for a ~Fine Merc
These are all the pics I have online right now, but can add more tonight - bigger, specific areas, whatever anyone thinks will help. I'm not Phil here - I use a point and click, and close-ups through a loupe, so bare with me.
Only other info I can add is a question on hub varieties came up,
There were hub changes in 1916/1917/1918, but don't see anything for 1919 specifically. http://blog.davidlawrence.com/index.php/mercury-dimes-ch-2-design-modifications/
I would really need a merc specialist to look at what's left of the 1919's details to see if they can determine which hub type it is.
And the only other thing
Wow! #13 would be me. If anyone is interested in purchasing it, please PM me here and I will get in contact with you.
What a weird coincidence to see my name and eBay here, haha!
@StrikeOutXXX said:
Surprised the seller didn't "Properly" list the coin:
I know it's cleaned/details, but the last 2 "Lower" end ones to sell at auction were: FR-2 at at $606.83 and AG-3 at $817.65. Pretty sure he left a little $ on the table the way it was listed.
Census has been updated, 19 so far - who will find #20?
Wow! #13 would be me. If anyone is interested in purchasing it, please PM me here and I will get in contact with you.
What a weird coincidence to see my name and eBay here, haha!
Yea, saw it on eBay awhile back while trying to keep the census as updated as I can. I do weekly checks of the Pop Reports, eBay, google, etc to try to keep it as updated as I can. Didn't realize you were a forum member.
Do you mind sharing the story of the coin. How was it found, did you get it certified, etc.
I know it's cleaned/details, but the last 2 "Lower" end ones to sell at auction were: FR-2 at at $606.83 and AG-3 at $817.65. Pretty sure he left a little $ on the table the way it was listed.
Census has been updated, 19 so far - who will find #20?
ARGH!! I would have been all over that!!!
Have you stopped trying to cherrypick one on eBay? After more than a year of fruitless searches, I now only look through eBay auctions when the mood strikes, but if you were still being diligent about monitoring the site, that one should have popped up on your radar.
Sean Reynolds
Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Comments
Has the die rotation on this variety been noted before?
Yes, so far they all have it. There is also a middle die state with various die cracks.
One of the MDS coins flowed through CONECA for examination and has some pics here:
http://varietyvista.com/06%20M...20Dime/1919PDDO001.htm
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Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
Not sure about that "WE." Wrong direction and wrong amount of doubling. Might be our old nemesis machine doubling, which can occur on a coin struck from a doubled die.
There is also a small amount of "machine doubling" on the front (left) edge of the neck near the rim.
http://www.greatcollections.co...-FS-101-PCGS-VF-20-CAC
Looks like it is getting some action.
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Not sure I understand crossing it at the same grade and also losing the discovery designation in the process.
I would want it in a PCGS holder and couldn't care less about the discovery label.
This example was discovered yesterday by Dennis Tarrant (forum member Numisma) and Victor Romero, and photographed by yours truly. It appears to be no better than FR02, however it is remarkably problem-free.
Does anyone know if this coin was submitted to PCGS? An FR-2 appeared in the Pop Report today, just curious if it's this one or a new one???
EDIT: I heard back from Dennis - this is coin #17 in the pop report. Should be on Great Collections soon.
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Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
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Not sure I understand crossing it at the same grade and also losing the discovery designation in the process.
It was shipped yesterday. No TureView although I paid for the service. Does that happen often?
Your cert lookup has that picture now. Have you checked your account for the Tru Views?
Only other update I have for this thread is coin #17 was indeed the FR-2 in the PCGS pop reports. Dennis said it was consigned to GreatCollections, and should be coming up to auction shortly with no reserve.
"You Suck Award" - February, 2015
Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
It was shipped yesterday. No TureView although I paid for the service. Does that happen often?
Your cert lookup has that picture now. Have you checked your account for the Tru Views?
Only other update I have for this thread is coin #17 was indeed the FR-2 in the PCGS pop reports. Dennis said it was consigned to GreatCollections, and should be coming up to auction shortly with no reserve.
Thanks for posting it.
http://www.greatcollections.co...-FS-101-PCGS-VF-20-CAC
Looks like it is getting some action.
Re: Discovery coin at great collections
Didn't get as much as I thought. Figured there would be a little more at the end. Went for $3600 + $360 buyers premium = $3,960
"You Suck Award" - February, 2015
Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
In the meantime, only 3 days left to bid on coin #17 (PCGS FR-2 CAC) on Great Collections. FYI not mine, just know a lot of folks may be interested in an affordable example. GC don't seem to like to take close-ups, which on varieties don't make sense, but the are nice pics a few posts above this one of it that busthalfbrian took of it.
http://www.greatcollections.co...-FS-101-PCGS-FR-02-CAC
"You Suck Award" - February, 2015
Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
Could have been due to summer downtime maybe? I find July/August to be the worst sales months especially through auctions, even for better material. Good for buying though. And even though its not monetary, you being the discoverer of such a momentous piece after 100yrs unnoticed is priceless
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Nice photos - thanks for sharing.
The die crack left of the T in LIBERTY identifies your specimen as Die Stage B.
Do you have a reverse photo? There might be a die crack at C in AMERICA.
http://varietyvista.com/06%20M...20Dime/1919PDDO001.htm
Sorry to you all for looking so hard, 50% of the 1919's I checked were ddo
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Indeed, the crack matches the photo for Die State B on varietyvista.
Earlier in this thread, it was noted that 2 of the first 11 specimens were Die State B,
so it's the scarcer die state.
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"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
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When I first looked at the pics, I was feeling VG10ish on the obv, but reverse caught me as F12. Not sure if it will straight grade, but I'll list it as VG/F Details? Until you get the results back, please update us when you get the results.
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Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
Big Congratulations on the find! I'll add it to the census as coin #18.
When I first looked at the pics, I was feeling VG10ish on the obv, but reverse caught me as F12. Not sure if it will straight grade, but I'll list it as VG/F Details? Until you get the results back, please update us when you get the results.
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Thanks to all of you, especially you strikeout for the original find and all the research and this post, I would have never found it without you. Man I really do love and appreciate all the info I have learned on this board from all of you.
Shipped mine out overnight and paid for walkthru. Couldn't stand fo wait for weeks. So should see results quick.Expecting vg10, hoping for a f12, but rev rim looks weak for a 12, just really dont want it to go genuine.
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It won't be long before a MS example turns up.
They GOTTA be out there.
Don't know how many times I checked on mine...seemed like a million..."in process"
And finally the results are in: straight graded vg10 hurraaa!!
Will post trueview when available
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VG10
Die stage b.
Obv die crack at t in liberty
Rev die crack at c in america
Only 3 better
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As far as keeping or selling, haven't decided. Have to see how good it looks next to my 16d and my 42/41's. Also have to think about where the value may go.
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Number 19 found in junk silver at a b&m. I won this one on an ebay auction.
Kinda embarrassed as to what I paid for it. He had it slabbed and then didn't even mention the ddo or fs101 in the listing or description. Guess that's why its called cherrypicking!
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Surprised the seller didn't "Properly" list the coin:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1919-MERCURY-DIME-PCGS-FREE-SHIPPING-/122180816157?hash=item1c728b4d1d:g:XK4AAOSwYIxX~9ZN
I know it's cleaned/details, but the last 2 "Lower" end ones to sell at auction were: FR-2 at at $606.83 and AG-3 at $817.65. Pretty sure he left a little $ on the table the way it was listed.
Census has been updated, 19 so far - who will find #20?
"You Suck Award" - February, 2015
Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
Nice find!! That's your second example you own now right?
Well, thank you.
And yes own 2 now. The vg10. And ag details/cleaned.
I'll be selling or trading the latter.
Havent received it yet, later this week
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Wow! #13 would be me. If anyone is interested in purchasing it, please PM me here and I will get in contact with you.
What a weird coincidence to see my name and eBay here, haha!
ARGH!! I would have been all over that!!!
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Yea, saw it on eBay awhile back while trying to keep the census as updated as I can. I do weekly checks of the Pop Reports, eBay, google, etc to try to keep it as updated as I can. Didn't realize you were a forum member.
Do you mind sharing the story of the coin. How was it found, did you get it certified, etc.
"You Suck Award" - February, 2015
Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
Have you stopped trying to cherrypick one on eBay? After more than a year of fruitless searches, I now only look through eBay auctions when the mood strikes, but if you were still being diligent about monitoring the site, that one should have popped up on your radar.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor