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Nice looking 1919. I think it might be at EF40 as well. Interesting that I have yet to see any others imaged with the die crack from the Liberty's hat to the rim like the example I had found. The reverse of the specimen that Rick posted does have the die crack on the reverse from the rim through the C of AMERICA.
Originally posted by: jtlee321 Nice looking 1919. I think it might be at EF40 as well. Interesting that I have yet to see any others imaged with the die crack from the Liberty's hat to the rim like the example I had found. The reverse of the specimen that Rick posted does have the die crack on the reverse from the rim through the C of AMERICA.
One of the lower grade pieces had the Obv die crack, have to dig through pictures and find it. (Found it - the #10 coin has it)
Rick's piece looks to be a bit stronger than Justin's, not sure if it has enough to go XF-45, but I think side by side with the XF-40 out there, it is stronger.
Now... what is more exciting is look at the "WE" - there is doubling evident on it that is not in the other examples. CONECA catalogued it as "Very strong spread on IN, dot, GOD, and TRUST" no mention of we. Even looking at the pic on NGC's variety site of the AU Details coin it isn't evident (although slightly washed out by light). It doesn't follow the same direction of 1st/2nd detail though, need to stare at the images a bit more.
Not sure about that "WE." Wrong direction and wrong amount of doubling. Might be our old nemesis machine doubling, which can occur on a coin struck from a doubled die.
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Not sure about that "WE." Wrong direction and wrong amount of doubling. Might be our old nemesis machine doubling, which can occur on a coin struck from a doubled die.
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Not sure about that "WE." Wrong direction and wrong amount of doubling. Might be our old nemesis machine doubling, which can occur on a coin struck from a doubled die.
Originally posted by: DCW Wow, Rick's example is gorgeous! The doubling really pops. Would love to see an uncirculated example pop up. Guess it is just a matter of time...
I wouldn't say that. Survival rates in MS have to be under .03% for dates like this.
That would be ~11k mint state coins out of a mintage of 35,740,000.
Given MS coins of this era generally were saved in batches that came from the same few dies, I'd say the odds are that a MS example doesn't exist.
I would be shocked if a Mint state example never turns up. They always do. Almost 36 million 1919 dimes were minted. At least a handful have to be out there hiding in plain sight, I assure you.
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Originally posted by: StrikeOutXXX Congrats Rick - I have to assume the PCGS XF-45 now in the pop reports is your coin?
Yes it is. I'll have it at the ANA
Congrats on the current "Top Pop"
I sorted the census a little as some were mentioning the "Condition Census" Makes it a bit easier to put thing in perspective. The (#) is the actual census number I've been using, but all the known coins by condition are:
Certified Straight Grade (8) PCGS XF-45 (4) PCGS XF-40 (1) PCGS VF-20 (3) PCGS VG-8 (5) NGC G-6 (6) NGC G-6 (7) NGC G-4 (15) PCGS G-4 (16) NGC AG-3 (13) NGC AG-3 (12) PCGS AG-3
Raw - Best guess at grade - likely problem free (11) - VG (10) - Good (17) - Fair
Issues (2) NCS AU-50 Details - Environmental Problems (14) PCGS F Details - Genuine Edge Dmg (9) RAW - AG Details, Damaged
Soon after reading about your discovery coin on here I attended a local show and decided to look for this coin. The first table I stopped at had a basket full of mercury dimes on it including 5 1919 dimes. The second one I looked at appeared to have a shot at being the DDO. Sent it to NGC 8 months later and they confirmed it! Never found another one but still looking.
Originally posted by: Martin FWIW GC Has the discovery coin up for auction.
Too bad it lost it's "First Reported" or didn't get a "Discovery Piece" label at PCGS.
When I first discovered it, I had a ton... and I mean a TON of offers to buy this coin. Many way below what these have since gone for, but I did have A LOT of offers in cash or PCGS Price Guide trades in the $4k-10k range. Although I did well selling this to Leo, I am curious now that there are 17 in the census, what this will bring. Yea, it's the discovery coin, which I suppose adds a little bit of mystique to it, but t's now the 3rd highest straight-graded coin out there.
So there you go all you folks who made me offers when I owned it, now is your chance to get it 8-)
Originally posted by: CaptHenway Not sure about that "WE." Wrong direction and wrong amount of doubling. Might be our old nemesis machine doubling, which can occur on a coin struck from a doubled die.
There is also a small amount of "machine doubling" on the front (left) edge of the neck near the rim.
Originally posted by: BustHalfBrian This example was discovered yesterday by Dennis Tarrant (forum member Numisma) and Victor Romero, and photographed by yours truly. It appears to be no better than FR02, however it is remarkably problem-free.
Does anyone know if this coin was submitted to PCGS? An FR-2 appeared in the Pop Report today, just curious if it's this one or a new one???
EDIT: I heard back from Dennis - this is coin #17 in the pop report. Should be on Great Collections soon.
I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I bought this today under very poor lighting. Sorry for the awful pics. I see a line to the right of the "T" that is more evident in hand. Anything?
Sorry, no. The OD of GOD and RUST of TRUST show dramatic doubling as well, which I don't see in your images. Keep looking though!! There are more out there to be found.
Originally posted by: EagleEye It was shipped yesterday. No TureView although I paid for the service. Does that happen often?
Your cert lookup has that picture now. Have you checked your account for the Tru Views?
Only other update I have for this thread is coin #17 was indeed the FR-2 in the PCGS pop reports. Dennis said it was consigned to GreatCollections, and should be coming up to auction shortly with no reserve.
It was shipped yesterday. No TureView although I paid for the service. Does that happen often?
Your cert lookup has that picture now. Have you checked your account for the Tru Views?
Only other update I have for this thread is coin #17 was indeed the FR-2 in the PCGS pop reports. Dennis said it was consigned to GreatCollections, and should be coming up to auction shortly with no reserve.
Nothing new in the pop reports or forums I watch. If anyone knows of any updates to the census, please let me know.
In the meantime, only 3 days left to bid on coin #17 (PCGS FR-2 CAC) on Great Collections. FYI not mine, just know a lot of folks may be interested in an affordable example. GC don't seem to like to take close-ups, which on varieties don't make sense, but the are nice pics a few posts above this one of it that busthalfbrian took of it.
Could have been due to summer downtime maybe? I find July/August to be the worst sales months especially through auctions, even for better material. Good for buying though. And even though its not monetary, you being the discoverer of such a momentous piece after 100yrs unnoticed is priceless
Could have been due to summer downtime maybe? I find July/August to be the worst sales months especially through auctions, even for better material. Good for buying though. And even though its not monetary, you being the discoverer of such a momentous piece after 100yrs unnoticed is priceless
Just found this thread, hadn't heard of this variety before, looked thru some of my stuff and BAM, got one! Found it in a set I bought on ebay. Freebie Bonus! I'm sending in tomorrow, will post results, hope the scratch doesn't put in a details slab.
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Sandman70gt, Nice photos - thanks for sharing. The die crack left of the T in LIBERTY identifies your specimen as Die Stage B. Do you have a reverse photo? There might be a die crack at C in AMERICA. http://varietyvista.com/06%20M...20Dime/1919PDDO001.htm
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Nice looking 1919. I think it might be at EF40 as well. Interesting that I have yet to see any others imaged with the die crack from the Liberty's hat to the rim like the example I had found. The reverse of the specimen that Rick posted does have the die crack on the reverse from the rim through the C of AMERICA.
One of the lower grade pieces had the Obv die crack, have to dig through pictures and find it. (Found it - the #10 coin has it)
Rick's piece looks to be a bit stronger than Justin's, not sure if it has enough to go XF-45, but I think side by side with the XF-40 out there, it is stronger.
Now... what is more exciting is look at the "WE" - there is doubling evident on it that is not in the other examples. CONECA catalogued it as "Very strong spread on IN, dot, GOD, and TRUST" no mention of we. Even looking at the pic on NGC's variety site of the AU Details coin it isn't evident (although slightly washed out by light). It doesn't follow the same direction of 1st/2nd detail though, need to stare at the images a bit more.
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Wrong direction and wrong amount of doubling. Might be our old nemesis machine doubling, which can occur on a coin struck from a doubled die.
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Not sure about that "WE." Wrong direction and wrong amount of doubling. Might be our old nemesis machine doubling, which can occur on a coin struck from a doubled die.
Strike doubling for sure.
Guess it is just a matter of time...
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Not sure about that "WE." Wrong direction and wrong amount of doubling. Might be our old nemesis machine doubling, which can occur on a coin struck from a doubled die.
Strike doubling for sure.
Agree.
Wow, Rick's example is gorgeous! The doubling really pops. Would love to see an uncirculated example pop up.
Guess it is just a matter of time...
I wouldn't say that. Survival rates in MS have to be under .03% for dates like this.
That would be ~11k mint state coins out of a mintage of 35,740,000.
Given MS coins of this era generally were saved in batches that came from the same few dies, I'd say the odds are that a MS example doesn't exist.
I agree that the odds are strongly against a MS coin surfacing, but I think one will.
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Wow, Rick's example is gorgeous! The doubling really pops. Would love to see an uncirculated example pop up.
Guess it is just a matter of time...
I wouldn't say that. Survival rates in MS have to be under .03% for dates like this.
That would be ~11k mint state coins out of a mintage of 35,740,000.
Given MS coins of this era generally were saved in batches that came from the same few dies, I'd say the odds are that a MS example doesn't exist.
I would be shocked if a Mint state example never turns up. They always do. Almost 36 million 1919 dimes were minted. At least a handful have to be out there hiding in plain sight, I assure you.
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Congrats Rick - I have to assume the PCGS XF-45 now in the pop reports is your coin?
Yes it is. I'll have it at the ANA
Congrats Rick - I have to assume the PCGS XF-45 now in the pop reports is your coin?
Yes it is. I'll have it at the ANA
Congrats on the current "Top Pop"
I sorted the census a little as some were mentioning the "Condition Census" Makes it a bit easier to put thing in perspective. The (#) is the actual census number I've been using, but all the known coins by condition are:
Certified Straight Grade
(8) PCGS XF-45
(4) PCGS XF-40
(1) PCGS VF-20
(3) PCGS VG-8
(5) NGC G-6
(6) NGC G-6
(7) NGC G-4
(15) PCGS G-4
(16) NGC AG-3
(13) NGC AG-3
(12) PCGS AG-3
Raw - Best guess at grade - likely problem free
(11) - VG
(10) - Good
(17) - Fair
Issues
(2) NCS AU-50 Details - Environmental Problems
(14) PCGS F Details - Genuine Edge Dmg
(9) RAW - AG Details, Damaged
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Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
Coin #16 was my coin.
Nice, first heard of that one on eBay. Decent price for an AG.
What is the backstory on finding that coin?
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FWIW GC Has the discovery coin up for auction.
Too bad it lost it's "First Reported" or didn't get a "Discovery Piece" label at PCGS.
When I first discovered it, I had a ton... and I mean a TON of offers to buy this coin. Many way below what these have since gone for, but I did have A LOT of offers in cash or PCGS Price Guide trades in the $4k-10k range. Although I did well selling this to Leo, I am curious now that there are 17 in the census, what this will bring. Yea, it's the discovery coin, which I suppose adds a little bit of mystique to it, but t's now the 3rd highest straight-graded coin out there.
So there you go all you folks who made me offers when I owned it, now is your chance to get it 8-)
http://www.greatcollections.co...-FS-101-PCGS-VF-20-CAC
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Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
Has the die rotation on this variety been noted before?
Yes, so far they all have it. There is also a middle die state with various die cracks.
One of the MDS coins flowed through CONECA for examination and has some pics here:
http://varietyvista.com/06%20M...20Dime/1919PDDO001.htm
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Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
Not sure about that "WE." Wrong direction and wrong amount of doubling. Might be our old nemesis machine doubling, which can occur on a coin struck from a doubled die.
There is also a small amount of "machine doubling" on the front (left) edge of the neck near the rim.
http://www.greatcollections.co...-FS-101-PCGS-VF-20-CAC
Looks like it is getting some action.
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Not sure I understand crossing it at the same grade and also losing the discovery designation in the process.
I would want it in a PCGS holder and couldn't care less about the discovery label.
This example was discovered yesterday by Dennis Tarrant (forum member Numisma) and Victor Romero, and photographed by yours truly. It appears to be no better than FR02, however it is remarkably problem-free.
Does anyone know if this coin was submitted to PCGS? An FR-2 appeared in the Pop Report today, just curious if it's this one or a new one???
EDIT: I heard back from Dennis - this is coin #17 in the pop report. Should be on Great Collections soon.
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Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
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Not sure I understand crossing it at the same grade and also losing the discovery designation in the process.
It was shipped yesterday. No TureView although I paid for the service. Does that happen often?
Your cert lookup has that picture now. Have you checked your account for the Tru Views?
Only other update I have for this thread is coin #17 was indeed the FR-2 in the PCGS pop reports. Dennis said it was consigned to GreatCollections, and should be coming up to auction shortly with no reserve.
"You Suck Award" - February, 2015
Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
It was shipped yesterday. No TureView although I paid for the service. Does that happen often?
Your cert lookup has that picture now. Have you checked your account for the Tru Views?
Only other update I have for this thread is coin #17 was indeed the FR-2 in the PCGS pop reports. Dennis said it was consigned to GreatCollections, and should be coming up to auction shortly with no reserve.
Thanks for posting it.
http://www.greatcollections.co...-FS-101-PCGS-VF-20-CAC
Looks like it is getting some action.
Re: Discovery coin at great collections
Didn't get as much as I thought. Figured there would be a little more at the end. Went for $3600 + $360 buyers premium = $3,960
"You Suck Award" - February, 2015
Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
In the meantime, only 3 days left to bid on coin #17 (PCGS FR-2 CAC) on Great Collections. FYI not mine, just know a lot of folks may be interested in an affordable example. GC don't seem to like to take close-ups, which on varieties don't make sense, but the are nice pics a few posts above this one of it that busthalfbrian took of it.
http://www.greatcollections.co...-FS-101-PCGS-FR-02-CAC
"You Suck Award" - February, 2015
Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
Could have been due to summer downtime maybe? I find July/August to be the worst sales months especially through auctions, even for better material. Good for buying though. And even though its not monetary, you being the discoverer of such a momentous piece after 100yrs unnoticed is priceless
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Nice photos - thanks for sharing.
The die crack left of the T in LIBERTY identifies your specimen as Die Stage B.
Do you have a reverse photo? There might be a die crack at C in AMERICA.
http://varietyvista.com/06%20M...20Dime/1919PDDO001.htm