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The raw ~VG coin (CENSUS #11) ended at $2,250 on eBay yesterday.
That's quite a bit cheaper than the PCGS VG-8 example (CENSUS #3) has traded hands for in the past.
I think that's a combination of several things.
1) Raw (with some chatter of possible issues here on the boards of pitting) versus graded 2) The XF-40 example just closed a month ago, taking at least 1 big bidder out of the mix 3) The PCGS VG-8 example was somehow believed to be the Discovery Coin (While certainly not a 2x multiplier in value, perhaps a little bump for coolness factor, albeit incorrect) 4) The PCGS VG-8 was the FIRST to hit the market for sale quite awhile ago
I don't know if $2250 will be a steal for a VG example in the future or not. I suspect if that had been consigned to Great Collections, which got it graded, it might have done bettter, but who knows.
The raw ~VG coin (CENSUS #11) ended at $2,250 on eBay yesterday.
That's quite a bit cheaper than the PCGS VG-8 example (CENSUS #3) has traded hands for in the past.
I think that's a combination of several things.
1) Raw (with some chatter of possible issues here on the boards of pitting) versus graded
2) The XF-40 example just closed a month ago, taking at least 1 big bidder out of the mix
3) The PCGS VG-8 example was somehow believed to be the Discovery Coin (While certainly not a 2x multiplier in value, perhaps a little bump for coolness factor, albeit incorrect)
4) The PCGS VG-8 was the FIRST to hit the market for sale quite awhile ago
I don't know if $2250 will be a steal for a VG example in the future or not. I suspect if that had been consigned to Great Collections, which got it graded, it might have done bettter, but who knows.
Agree. A poorly handled sale.
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I would have been a player, but the scratch on that coin was in the precisely wrong spot. I did not want to be seeing it every time I admired the double die.
I got my 2017 Redbook today - no mention of the DDO. I didn't get this year's Mega Red yet - anybody know if it made it into that version?
Bummer.
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Wow, that's disappointing. If it never makes it into the regular Red Book then fewer will be found, demand will tank, prices will fall and it will just be relegated to the CPG and complete variety registry sets. Making it into Mega Red means nothing and will do nothing for the demand.
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Originally posted by: keyman64 Wow, that's disappointing. If it never makes it into the regular Red Book then fewer will be found, demand will tank, prices will fall and it will just be relegated to the CPG and complete variety registry sets. Making it into Mega Red means nothing and will do nothing for the demand.
Here is my 10c. Value is what people are willing to pay. At this point people are willing to pay a lot, and only time will tell if the prices stay that way. I have seen a number of varieties have decreases in what people are willing to pay. This one will probably go down over time. We just won't know how much less until more and more are found, and the population goes up.
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It's a nice variety but is it really Redbook worthy? Just askin........ There are a lot of bold Doubled Die coins that have been known for years that are not in the Redbook.
It's a nice variety but is it really Redbook worthy? Just askin........ There are a lot of bold Doubled Die coins that have been known for years that are not in the Redbook.
I think it is worthy. And those others you speak of should be added, too. I'm not saying it should become a variety reference nor do I know what the minimum criteria should be but some attempt should be made on both counts. There's a number of great doubled dies that should be there and that are not.
Was having dinner with some numismatic friends tonight and the 1919 DDO dime came up, and one said that he knew a dealer that just cherrypicked another one out of a collection he had bought a while back and was just breaking down. He saw the coin before it went off to PCGS; grade reportedly Good or so.
TD
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It can take years for inclusion into the famous Red Book. I wouldnt be so disheartened. Afterall, it took nearly a century for this variety to be "discovered."
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Originally posted by: CaptHenway Was having dinner with some numismatic friends tonight and the 1919 DDO dime came up, and one said that he knew a dealer that just cherrypicked another one out of a collection he had bought a while back and was just breaking down. He saw the coin before it went off to PCGS; grade reportedly Good or so.
TD
An AG-3 just popped up in the PCGS Pop Reports, can you ask your friend to see if that is the one you mentioned?
Also - how does PCGS update the coinfacts part at the bottom with auction history? Only one graded I know that sold is the #4 Coin at Great Collections ($8,250 + $825 = $9,075)
Census now stands at 12
1) ANACS VF-20 - Discovery piece (StrikeOutXXX / Jeff Sam) > Leo Frese 2) NCS AU-50 Details - Environmental Problems - Confirmation piece - Own inventory - John Hodson 3) PCGS VG-8 unattributed, then ANACS VG-8, back to PCGS VG-8 Attributed - Bulk over the counter B&M Purchase (KearneyCC / Bjorn Bergstrom) > Leo Frese > Rich Uhric 4) ANACS EF-40 > PCGS XF-40 - small show Portland, OR (Dealer folder unattributed) - (jtlee321/Justin) > Leo Frese > ? > Great Collections ($9,075) 5) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown 6) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown 7) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown 8) XF - Shown to Rick Snow in Baltimore 7/15 9) AG Details - Damaged - Roll searching, Alan Davis -Cointalk forums 10) Good - 90% merc bag find - Natchez14 - (NGC Message Boards) 11) VG - 3/18/16 auction listed on eBay raw - owner unknown (seller: flcoins - $2,250) 12) PCGS - AG3 - Owner Unknown 13) GET TO CHERRYPICKING
Won't see him for a couple of months. Having a knee replaced and will be laid up for a while.
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I get excited every time I see this thread get kicked to the top of the first page.. I'm glad it's not dying. Now if we can just find an MS example!!!!!!
3 of these are on eBay right now - and a few more added to the census - going to get hard to keep this up to date as they start coming out of the woodwork, but I had pictures of them all up to now except that Rick Snow example, so pretty sure we don't have any duplicates yet.
The NGC AG-3 went reserve not met at $1475, looks like they are trying to make the market for AG's around 2k, see how that hold up.
I noticed the #14 PCGS Genuine coin doesn't show in pop reports, anyone know if GENUINEs have their own report, or any way to search for those?
1) ANACS VF-20 - Discovery piece (StrikeOutXXX / Jeff Sam) > Leo Frese 2) NCS AU-50 Details - Environmental Problems - Confirmation piece - Own inventory - John Hodson 3) PCGS VG-8 unattributed, then ANACS VG-8, back to PCGS VG-8 Attributed - Bulk over the counter B&M Purchase (KearneyCC / Bjorn Bergstrom) > Leo Frese > Rich Uhric 4) ANACS EF-40 > PCGS XF-40 - small show Portland, OR (Dealer folder unattributed) - (jtlee321/Justin) > Leo Frese > ? > Great Collections ($9,075) 5) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown 6) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown 7) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown 8) XF - Shown to Rick Snow in Baltimore 7/15 9) AG Details - Damaged - Roll searching, Alan Davis -Cointalk forums 10) Good - 90% merc bag find - Natchez14 - (NGC Message Boards) 11) VG - 3/18/16 auction listed on eBay raw - owner unknown (seller: flcoins - $2,250) 12) PCGS - AG-3 - Owner Unknown > (eBay seller: cbcoins03) 13) NGC - AG-3 - Owner Unknown > (eBay seller: boyernumismatics) 14) PCGS - GENUINE EdgeDmg - F Details > (eBay seller: fresebrothers) 15) GET TO CHERRYPICKING
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Originally posted by: keyman64 Did anyone ever confirm/see 5,6,7? I wonder if those are true.
The were reported/confirmed by David Lange over at NGC in an e-mail trail we had going at one time while they were on his desk. They are 3 different and confirmed examples.
Did anyone ever confirm/see 5,6,7? I wonder if those are true.
The were reported/confirmed by David Lange over at NGC in an e-mail trail we had going at one time while they were on his desk. They are 3 different and confirmed examples.
Cool, thanks. I do seem to recall a member ATS saying he had 3 but never knew it was actually confirmed. Good to know. I would thing NGC would have taken photos of them if they made it to David's desk and were a hot new thing at the time. Hmmmm.
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no, genuine coins do not show up in the pop report anywhere. i have tried to get this changed with no success.
its been discussed here a few times, a couple by me and the consensus is that there are too many crack-outs for them to really be of much use. even for low pop coins.
i agree.
i do still want error pops but i just get laughed at when i bring it up. i guess some people arent up for tracking huge data sets. i think it is a cake-walk.
Originally posted by: DCW There are now 4 of these on ebay, all with ridiculously high asking prices.
Leo Frese has coin #1 & 14 on eBay Other sellers have coins 12 & 16.
Just checked pop reports, a new AG at NGC and a new Good at PCGS. I'll add them, but not sure if those are graded examples of previously reported raw coins.
If anyone is/knows the owners of any of these, let me know so I can keep the census somewhat straight. Thanks.
======== 1) ANACS VF-20 - Discovery piece (StrikeOutXXX / Jeff Sam) > Leo Frese Cert: 4815681
3) PCGS VG-8 unattributed, then ANACS VG-8, back to PCGS VG-8 Attributed - Bulk over the counter B&M Purchase (KearneyCC / Bjorn Bergstrom) > Leo Frese > Rich Uhrich Cert:
4) ANACS EF-40 > PCGS XF-40 - small show Portland, OR (Dealer folder unattributed) - (jtlee321/Justin) > Leo Frese > ? > Great Collections ($9,075) Cert: 545047.40/29996937
5) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown (verified 5/6/7 separate coins) Cert: Unknown
6) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown (verified 5/6/7 separate coins) Cert: Unknown
7) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown (verified 5/6/7 separate coins) Cert: Unknown
8) XF - Shown to Rick Snow in Baltimore 7/15 RAW
9) AG Details - Damaged - Roll searching, Alan Davis -Cointalk forums RAW
10) Good - 90% merc bag find - Natchez14 - (NGC Message Boards) RAW
11) VG - 3/18/16 auction listed on eBay raw - owner unknown (seller: flcoins - $2,250) RAW
#16 sold on eBay for $817.65 total a few days ago (NGC - AG3) #17 showed up in PCGS pop reports (VF-20) - since my original discovery is still on eBay in the ANACS VF-20, have to assume this is a new discovery as no other raw ones would fit into a VF category.
If anyone has further info to keep the census as updated as possible, please let me know.
Thanks!
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1) ANACS VF-20 - Discovery piece (StrikeOutXXX / Jeff Sam) > Leo Frese Cert: 4815681
3) PCGS VG-8 unattributed, then ANACS VG-8, back to PCGS VG-8 Attributed - Bulk over the counter B&M Purchase (KearneyCC / Bjorn Bergstrom) > Leo Frese > Rich Uhrich Cert:
4) ANACS EF-40 > PCGS XF-40 - small show Portland, OR (Dealer folder unattributed) - (jtlee321/Justin) > Leo Frese > ? > Great Collections ($9,075) Cert: 545047.40/29996937
5) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown (verified 5/6/7 separate coins) Cert: Unknown
6) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown (verified 5/6/7 separate coins) Cert: Unknown
7) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown (verified 5/6/7 separate coins) Cert: Unknown
8) XF - Shown to Rick Snow in Baltimore 7/15 RAW
9) AG Details - Damaged - Roll searching, Alan Davis -Cointalk forums RAW
10) Good - 90% merc bag find - Natchez14 - (NGC Message Boards) RAW
11) VG - 3/18/16 auction listed on eBay raw - owner unknown (seller: flcoins - $2,250) RAW
Originally posted by: Realone I hate to say this but the reason why NO ONE is paying these outrageous greedy prices is because the sellers are mis-informed. This DDO is not a large enough DDO to warrant such insanely high prices. For fun I experimented and tried to find the new discovery on eBay, do you know hoe difficult it is trying to see the DDO on the monitor. It is literally impossible and yet I searched every 1919 10c from G to MS and it was a pain in the are because it is impossible to see unless it is greatly magnified and has a clear photo to boot. I realize I am asking for trouble because there are many Merc Dime collectors that look for the DDO & DDR and often invent these so-called DDO's & DDR's because it is what they want to see, that is what they do. It makes all VAMS look like they all should be rare when they obviously shouldn't. The price of these will drop when the sellers realize that this is no big deal and that there re many more out there besides the fact that they are hard to see. No way it deserves Redbook level note.
There have been a handful of public sales: XF-40 = $9,075, VG(Raw) = $2,250, AG-3 = $818, not to mention several private party transactions with the VG-8, VF-20 and XF-40 coins in the $4-6k range. Yes, there are a few languishing on eBay with maybe a bit optimistic pricing (AG’s in the $2200, or problem coins, or even my original discovery piece sitting at $11,500). One has to argue that Leo uses the discovery piece primarily to drive attention to the DDO and to purchase others privately though.
The eBay search you embarked on has been and continues to be replicated by many members of the boards here - as far as I know - nobody has yet to get one off of eBay unattributed. It is hard at times as you said due to picture quality. I know a few have taken a chance on less than perfect pictures, but struck out.
When it comes to VAMs or the “Lesser” Merc Dime DDO/DDRs you refer to, I won’t argue with you. Some are so miniscule, that even I who enjoys varieties don’t think that much of them. I do think you may be underestimating this particular DDO though as you can see it with the naked eye (in-hand or with clear pictures).
Will prices drop? probably over time as more come out, sure, who knows if the pricing today will hold. We are only at 17 examples, with many worn. I think a couple of the “Top Pops” may hold their value fairly well, not sure about all the AG/G and Details coins that will show up over time.
As for the Redbook, the guru’s of the Redbook are still “Monitoring” the development of the dime. From what I understand it isn’t so much the quality/boldness of the DDO that kept it out so far, it certainly is on par with a few others already in the Redbook, it’s just a matter of judging collector interest and seeing if enough of them show up to be collectable to be included in the future.
Other than the coolness factor of having something you had a hand in bringing to light possibly being in the Redbook, I sold my discovery coin awhile back, and really have no “Dog in the fight” - I kind of keep the census due to the numerous messages and questions I get. Think it helps a few folks, and potentially raises some awareness for it.
I have no clue where this dime will end up in say 5 years. Personally, I think it’s one of the top varieties in the Merc Dime series - certainly most dime collectors will someday want to add it, but I have no idea if it will spread beyond dime enthusiasts. Time will tell.
"I hate to say this but the reason why NO ONE is paying these outrageous greedy prices is because the sellers are mis-informed. This DDO is not a large enough DDO to warrant such insanely high prices."
I totally disagree with this-I believe it to be a very significant doubled die.
I definitely have the coin and yes, it is appearing in an upcoming GreatCollections auction. I anticipate it listing next week and will end on August 21st. We will have it on display at the ANA. The coin is being sold without reserve.
Originally posted by: EagleEye The XF example I was shown last year is in my pocket and will soon be on its way to PCGS. StrikeoutXXX has an image.
It is available to view at my table at Baltimore.
Here are Rick's Cell Phone pics of what we have been referring to as Coin #8 for the last year. Looks like a very nice example. Hard to compare with Justin's close-ups of Coin #4 (PCGS-XF40) but I believe Rick's is just as good, if not a tad better. Looking forward to close-ups (Hey Rick - drop this baby off at one of the many photographers at Baltimore!) and seeing how PCGS grades it.
Originally posted by: EagleEye The XF example I was shown last year is in my pocket and will soon be on its way to PCGS. StrikeoutXXX has an image.
It is available to view at my table at Baltimore.
Here are Rick's Cell Phone pics of what we have been referring to as Coin #8 for the last year. Looks like a very nice example. Hard to compare with Justin's close-ups of Coin #4 (PCGS-XF40) but I believe Rick's is just as good, if not a tad better. Looking forward to close-ups (Hey Rick - drop this baby off at one of the many photographers at Baltimore!) and seeing how PCGS grades it.
Wow, that is nice!! From what I can see in the small images, I think it is better than the example I had found. I think it could go 45.
This was bought by a NYC collector in 2006. Picked out of an album at a show. He noticed the DDO but never thought much of it until it was publicized. I will take close-ups prior to submitting.
This example was discovered yesterday by Dennis Tarrant (forum member Numisma) and Victor Romero, and photographed by yours truly. It appears to be no better than FR02, however it is remarkably problem-free.
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Nice, we go months without much action, and things start picking up again.
So as we sit right now to the best of my knowledge, here is the census. Please let me know any missing info or further developments. As predicted, it looks like as we pick up more discoveries, this is going to be a tough one in problem-free, higher condition.
1) PCGS VF-20 (From ANACS VF-20) Discovery piece (StrikeOutXXX / Jeff Sam) > Leo Frese > Great Collections Soon PCGS Cert: Unknown ANACS Cert was: 4815681
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even though he did not post it. I was not really asking about the lighter brown spots, I know that is toning
but was concerned with what seems to be some darker spots. Whatever, I asked about pitting on the coin,
particularly on the reverse above EPU and this is the response.
Hello - Thanks for your interest and question regarding this item...
I can assure you the coin is NOT pitted on the reverse as you suspect...
the brown spots you see is a mottled toning,,,tiny toning dots...the surface
of the coin on the reverse is completely ok with typical marks for a VG+ coin...
In my opinion... the only thing that might keep it from being graded by PCGS
is a small scrape under the word TRUST - it is clearly visable in the close up photos...
hope this helps
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That's quite a bit cheaper than the PCGS VG-8 example (CENSUS #3) has traded hands for in the past.
I think that's a combination of several things.
1) Raw (with some chatter of possible issues here on the boards of pitting) versus graded
2) The XF-40 example just closed a month ago, taking at least 1 big bidder out of the mix
3) The PCGS VG-8 example was somehow believed to be the Discovery Coin (While certainly not a 2x multiplier in value, perhaps a little bump for coolness factor, albeit incorrect)
4) The PCGS VG-8 was the FIRST to hit the market for sale quite awhile ago
I don't know if $2250 will be a steal for a VG example in the future or not. I suspect if that had been consigned to Great Collections, which got it graded, it might have done bettter, but who knows.
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The raw ~VG coin (CENSUS #11) ended at $2,250 on eBay yesterday.
That's quite a bit cheaper than the PCGS VG-8 example (CENSUS #3) has traded hands for in the past.
I think that's a combination of several things.
1) Raw (with some chatter of possible issues here on the boards of pitting) versus graded
2) The XF-40 example just closed a month ago, taking at least 1 big bidder out of the mix
3) The PCGS VG-8 example was somehow believed to be the Discovery Coin (While certainly not a 2x multiplier in value, perhaps a little bump for coolness factor, albeit incorrect)
4) The PCGS VG-8 was the FIRST to hit the market for sale quite awhile ago
I don't know if $2250 will be a steal for a VG example in the future or not. I suspect if that had been consigned to Great Collections, which got it graded, it might have done bettter, but who knows.
Agree. A poorly handled sale.
knowing full well it would have cost me less than $50 to sell it, including the PCGS fees. There are more examples to be found!
Granted, the demand will also likely increase if/when this makes it into the Red Book/CPG/Registry Sets...but what will increase
faster, the demand or the supply?
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I got my 2017 Redbook today - no mention of the DDO. I didn't get this year's Mega Red yet - anybody know if it made it into that version?
Bummer.
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Wow, that's disappointing. If it never makes it into the regular Red Book then fewer will be found, demand will tank, prices will fall and it will just be relegated to the CPG and complete variety registry sets. Making it into Mega Red means nothing and will do nothing for the demand.
I like the prices falling part.
Of course I'm a buyer and not a seller.
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It's a nice variety but is it really Redbook worthy? Just askin........ There are a lot of bold Doubled Die coins that have been known for years that are not in the Redbook.
I think it is worthy. And those others you speak of should be added, too. I'm not saying it should become a variety reference nor do I know what the minimum criteria should be but some attempt should be made on both counts. There's a number of great doubled dies that should be there and that are not.
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Was having dinner with some numismatic friends tonight and the 1919 DDO dime came up, and one said that he knew a dealer that just cherrypicked another one out of a collection he had bought a while back and was just breaking down. He saw the coin before it went off to PCGS; grade reportedly Good or so.
TD
An AG-3 just popped up in the PCGS Pop Reports, can you ask your friend to see if that is the one you mentioned?
Also - how does PCGS update the coinfacts part at the bottom with auction history? Only one graded I know that sold is the #4 Coin at Great Collections ($8,250 + $825 = $9,075)
Census now stands at 12
1) ANACS VF-20 - Discovery piece (StrikeOutXXX / Jeff Sam) > Leo Frese
2) NCS AU-50 Details - Environmental Problems - Confirmation piece - Own inventory - John Hodson
3) PCGS VG-8 unattributed, then ANACS VG-8, back to PCGS VG-8 Attributed - Bulk over the counter B&M Purchase (KearneyCC / Bjorn Bergstrom) > Leo Frese > Rich Uhric
4) ANACS EF-40 > PCGS XF-40 - small show Portland, OR (Dealer folder unattributed) - (jtlee321/Justin) > Leo Frese > ? > Great Collections ($9,075)
5) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown
6) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown
7) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown
8) XF - Shown to Rick Snow in Baltimore 7/15
9) AG Details - Damaged - Roll searching, Alan Davis -Cointalk forums
10) Good - 90% merc bag find - Natchez14 - (NGC Message Boards)
11) VG - 3/18/16 auction listed on eBay raw - owner unknown (seller: flcoins - $2,250)
12) PCGS - AG3 - Owner Unknown
13) GET TO CHERRYPICKING
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The NGC AG-3 went reserve not met at $1475, looks like they are trying to make the market for AG's around 2k, see how that hold up.
I noticed the #14 PCGS Genuine coin doesn't show in pop reports, anyone know if GENUINEs have their own report, or any way to search for those?
1) ANACS VF-20 - Discovery piece (StrikeOutXXX / Jeff Sam) > Leo Frese
2) NCS AU-50 Details - Environmental Problems - Confirmation piece - Own inventory - John Hodson
3) PCGS VG-8 unattributed, then ANACS VG-8, back to PCGS VG-8 Attributed - Bulk over the counter B&M Purchase (KearneyCC / Bjorn Bergstrom) > Leo Frese > Rich Uhric
4) ANACS EF-40 > PCGS XF-40 - small show Portland, OR (Dealer folder unattributed) - (jtlee321/Justin) > Leo Frese > ? > Great Collections ($9,075)
5) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown
6) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown
7) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown
8) XF - Shown to Rick Snow in Baltimore 7/15
9) AG Details - Damaged - Roll searching, Alan Davis -Cointalk forums
10) Good - 90% merc bag find - Natchez14 - (NGC Message Boards)
11) VG - 3/18/16 auction listed on eBay raw - owner unknown (seller: flcoins - $2,250)
12) PCGS - AG-3 - Owner Unknown > (eBay seller: cbcoins03)
13) NGC - AG-3 - Owner Unknown > (eBay seller: boyernumismatics)
14) PCGS - GENUINE EdgeDmg - F Details > (eBay seller: fresebrothers)
15) GET TO CHERRYPICKING
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no, genuine coins do not show up in the pop report anywhere. i have tried to get this changed with no success.
Did anyone ever confirm/see 5,6,7? I wonder if those are true.
The were reported/confirmed by David Lange over at NGC in an e-mail trail we had going at one time while they were on his desk. They are 3 different and confirmed examples.
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Did anyone ever confirm/see 5,6,7? I wonder if those are true.
The were reported/confirmed by David Lange over at NGC in an e-mail trail we had going at one time while they were on his desk. They are 3 different and confirmed examples.
Cool, thanks. I do seem to recall a member ATS saying he had 3 but never knew it was actually confirmed. Good to know. I would thing NGC would have taken photos of them if they made it to David's desk and were a hot new thing at the time. Hmmmm.
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no, genuine coins do not show up in the pop report anywhere. i have tried to get this changed with no success.
its been discussed here a few times, a couple by me and the consensus is that there are too many crack-outs for them to really be of much use. even for low pop coins.
i agree.
i do still want error pops but i just get laughed at when i bring it up. i guess some people arent up for tracking huge data sets. i think it is a cake-walk.
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There are now 4 of these on ebay, all with ridiculously high asking prices.
Leo Frese has coin #1 & 14 on eBay
Other sellers have coins 12 & 16.
Just checked pop reports, a new AG at NGC and a new Good at PCGS. I'll add them, but not sure if those are graded examples of previously reported raw coins.
If anyone is/knows the owners of any of these, let me know so I can keep the census somewhat straight. Thanks.
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1) ANACS VF-20 - Discovery piece (StrikeOutXXX / Jeff Sam) > Leo Frese
Cert: 4815681
2) NCS AU-50 Details - Environmental Problems - Confirmation piece - John Hodson
Cert: Unknown
3) PCGS VG-8 unattributed, then ANACS VG-8, back to PCGS VG-8 Attributed - Bulk over the counter B&M Purchase (KearneyCC / Bjorn Bergstrom) > Leo Frese > Rich Uhrich
Cert:
4) ANACS EF-40 > PCGS XF-40 - small show Portland, OR (Dealer folder unattributed) - (jtlee321/Justin) > Leo Frese > ? > Great Collections ($9,075)
Cert: 545047.40/29996937
5) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown (verified 5/6/7 separate coins)
Cert: Unknown
6) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown (verified 5/6/7 separate coins)
Cert: Unknown
7) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown (verified 5/6/7 separate coins)
Cert: Unknown
8) XF - Shown to Rick Snow in Baltimore 7/15
RAW
9) AG Details - Damaged - Roll searching, Alan Davis -Cointalk forums
RAW
10) Good - 90% merc bag find - Natchez14 - (NGC Message Boards)
RAW
11) VG - 3/18/16 auction listed on eBay raw - owner unknown (seller: flcoins - $2,250)
RAW
12) PCGS - AG-3 - Owner Unknown > (eBay seller: cbcoins03)
Cert: 545047.03/80661866
13) NGC - AG-3 - Owner Unknown > (eBay seller: boyernumismatics)
Cert: 26877209-003
14) PCGS - GENUINE EdgeDmg - F Details > (eBay seller: fresebrothers)
Cert: 545047.98/80510296
15) PCGS - Good (Pop reports, unsure if new/cross at this time)
Cert: Unknown
16) NGC - AG-3 - (eBay seller: dwp23)
Cert: 4231740-003
17) GET TO CHERRYPICKING
"You Suck Award" - February, 2015
Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
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#16 sold on eBay for $817.65 total a few days ago (NGC - AG3)
#17 showed up in PCGS pop reports (VF-20) - since my original discovery is still on eBay in the ANACS VF-20, have to assume this is a new discovery as no other raw ones would fit into a VF category.
If anyone has further info to keep the census as updated as possible, please let me know.
Thanks!
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1) ANACS VF-20 - Discovery piece (StrikeOutXXX / Jeff Sam) > Leo Frese
Cert: 4815681
2) NCS AU-50 Details - Environmental Problems - Confirmation piece - John Hodson
Cert: Unknown
3) PCGS VG-8 unattributed, then ANACS VG-8, back to PCGS VG-8 Attributed - Bulk over the counter B&M Purchase (KearneyCC / Bjorn Bergstrom) > Leo Frese > Rich Uhrich
Cert:
4) ANACS EF-40 > PCGS XF-40 - small show Portland, OR (Dealer folder unattributed) - (jtlee321/Justin) > Leo Frese > ? > Great Collections ($9,075)
Cert: 545047.40/29996937
5) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown (verified 5/6/7 separate coins)
Cert: Unknown
6) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown (verified 5/6/7 separate coins)
Cert: Unknown
7) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown (verified 5/6/7 separate coins)
Cert: Unknown
8) XF - Shown to Rick Snow in Baltimore 7/15
RAW
9) AG Details - Damaged - Roll searching, Alan Davis -Cointalk forums
RAW
10) Good - 90% merc bag find - Natchez14 - (NGC Message Boards)
RAW
11) VG - 3/18/16 auction listed on eBay raw - owner unknown (seller: flcoins - $2,250)
RAW
12) PCGS - AG-3 - Owner Unknown > (eBay seller: cbcoins03)
Cert: 545047.03/80661866
13) NGC - AG-3 - Owner Unknown > (eBay seller: boyernumismatics)
Cert: 26877209-003
14) PCGS - GENUINE EdgeDmg - F Details > (eBay seller: fresebrothers)
Cert: 545047.98/80510296
15) PCGS - Good (Pop reports, unsure if new/cross at this time)
Cert: Unknown
16) NGC - AG-3 - (eBay seller: dwp23) (7/7 - eBay $816.66 + .99 Ship)
Cert: 4231740-003
17) PCGS - VF-20 - Owner Unknown (Pop Reports)
18) GET TO CHERRYPICKING
"You Suck Award" - February, 2015
Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
I hate to say this but the reason why NO ONE is paying these outrageous greedy prices is because the sellers are mis-informed. This DDO is not a large enough DDO to warrant such insanely high prices.
For fun I experimented and tried to find the new discovery on eBay, do you know hoe difficult it is trying to see the DDO on the monitor. It is literally impossible and yet I searched every 1919 10c from G to MS and it was a pain in the are because it is impossible to see unless it is greatly magnified and has a clear photo to boot.
I realize I am asking for trouble because there are many Merc Dime collectors that look for the DDO & DDR and often invent these so-called DDO's & DDR's because it is what they want to see, that is what they do. It makes all VAMS look like they all should be rare when they obviously shouldn't.
The price of these will drop when the sellers realize that this is no big deal and that there re many more out there besides the fact that they are hard to see.
No way it deserves Redbook level note.
There have been a handful of public sales: XF-40 = $9,075, VG(Raw) = $2,250, AG-3 = $818, not to mention several private party transactions with the VG-8, VF-20 and XF-40 coins in the $4-6k range. Yes, there are a few languishing on eBay with maybe a bit optimistic pricing (AG’s in the $2200, or problem coins, or even my original discovery piece sitting at $11,500). One has to argue that Leo uses the discovery piece primarily to drive attention to the DDO and to purchase others privately though.
The eBay search you embarked on has been and continues to be replicated by many members of the boards here - as far as I know - nobody has yet to get one off of eBay unattributed. It is hard at times as you said due to picture quality. I know a few have taken a chance on less than perfect pictures, but struck out.
When it comes to VAMs or the “Lesser” Merc Dime DDO/DDRs you refer to, I won’t argue with you. Some are so miniscule, that even I who enjoys varieties don’t think that much of them. I do think you may be underestimating this particular DDO though as you can see it with the naked eye (in-hand or with clear pictures).
Will prices drop? probably over time as more come out, sure, who knows if the pricing today will hold. We are only at 17 examples, with many worn. I think a couple of the “Top Pops” may hold their value fairly well, not sure about all the AG/G and Details coins that will show up over time.
As for the Redbook, the guru’s of the Redbook are still “Monitoring” the development of the dime. From what I understand it isn’t so much the quality/boldness of the DDO that kept it out so far, it certainly is on par with a few others already in the Redbook, it’s just a matter of judging collector interest and seeing if enough of them show up to be collectable to be included in the future.
Other than the coolness factor of having something you had a hand in bringing to light possibly being in the Redbook, I sold my discovery coin awhile back, and really have no “Dog in the fight” - I kind of keep the census due to the numerous messages and questions I get. Think it helps a few folks, and potentially raises some awareness for it.
I have no clue where this dime will end up in say 5 years. Personally, I think it’s one of the top varieties in the Merc Dime series - certainly most dime collectors will someday want to add it, but I have no idea if it will spread beyond dime enthusiasts. Time will tell.
"You Suck Award" - February, 2015
Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
- Ian
Owner/Founder GreatCollections
GreatCollections Coin Auctions - Certified Coin Auctions Every Week - Rare Coins & Coin Values
I totally disagree with this-I believe it to be a very significant doubled die.
The discovery piece is now graded PCGS VF-20 with CAC approval.
- Ian
Thanks for the update, I updated the census in the 1st post. Just curious why Leo still has it listed on eBay (Now discounted down to $9,817.50)
Can I assume since this info is coming from you it will be in a future Greatcollections auction?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1919-1...cb4:g:2jkAAOSwwPhWhsqo
"You Suck Award" - February, 2015
Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
- Ian
Owner/Founder GreatCollections
GreatCollections Coin Auctions - Certified Coin Auctions Every Week - Rare Coins & Coin Values
It is available to view at my table at Baltimore.
The XF example I was shown last year is in my pocket and will soon be on its way to PCGS. StrikeoutXXX has an image.
It is available to view at my table at Baltimore.
Here are Rick's Cell Phone pics of what we have been referring to as Coin #8 for the last year. Looks like a very nice example. Hard to compare with Justin's close-ups of Coin #4 (PCGS-XF40) but I believe Rick's is just as good, if not a tad better. Looking forward to close-ups (Hey Rick - drop this baby off at one of the many photographers at Baltimore!) and seeing how PCGS grades it.
"You Suck Award" - February, 2015
Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
The XF example I was shown last year is in my pocket and will soon be on its way to PCGS. StrikeoutXXX has an image.
It is available to view at my table at Baltimore.
Here are Rick's Cell Phone pics of what we have been referring to as Coin #8 for the last year. Looks like a very nice example. Hard to compare with Justin's close-ups of Coin #4 (PCGS-XF40) but I believe Rick's is just as good, if not a tad better. Looking forward to close-ups (Hey Rick - drop this baby off at one of the many photographers at Baltimore!) and seeing how PCGS grades it.
Wow, that is nice!! From what I can see in the small images, I think it is better than the example I had found. I think it could go 45.
So as we sit right now to the best of my knowledge, here is the census. Please let me know any missing info or further developments. As predicted, it looks like as we pick up more discoveries, this is going to be a tough one in problem-free, higher condition.
1) PCGS VF-20 (From ANACS VF-20) Discovery piece (StrikeOutXXX / Jeff Sam) > Leo Frese > Great Collections Soon
PCGS Cert: Unknown ANACS Cert was: 4815681
2) NCS AU-50 Details - Environmental Problems - Confirmation piece - John Hodson
Cert: Unknown
3) PCGS VG-8 (From ANACS VG-8) - Bulk over the counter B&M Purchase (KearneyCC / Bjorn Bergstrom) > Leo Frese > Rich Uhrich
Cert:
4) PCGS XF-40 (From ANACS EF-40)- small show Portland, OR (Dealer folder unattributed) - (jtlee321/Justin) > Leo Frese > ? > Great Collections ($9,075)
Cert: 545047.40/29996937
5) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown (verified 5/6/7 separate coins)
Cert: Unknown
6) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown (verified 5/6/7 separate coins)
Cert: Unknown
7) NGC - Good - Owner Unknown (verified 5/6/7 separate coins)
Cert: Unknown
8) XF - Shown to Rick Snow in Baltimore 7/15 - Reconfirmed 7/16 - Rick Has it now.
RAW
9) AG Details - Damaged - Roll searching, Alan Davis -Cointalk forums
RAW
10) Good - 90% merc bag find - Natchez14 - (NGC Message Boards)
RAW
11) VG - 3/18/16 auction listed on eBay raw - owner unknown (seller: flcoins - $2,250)
RAW
12) PCGS - AG-3 - Owner Unknown > (eBay seller: cbcoins03)
Cert: 545047.03/80661866
13) NGC - AG-3 - Owner Unknown > (eBay seller: boyernumismatics)
Cert: 26877209-003
14) PCGS - GENUINE EdgeDmg - F Details > (eBay seller: fresebrothers)
Cert: 545047.98/80510296
15) PCGS - Good (Pop reports, unsure if new/cross at this time)
Cert: Unknown
16) NGC - AG-3 - (eBay seller: dwp23) (7/7 - eBay $816.66 + .99 Ship)
Cert: 4231740-003
17) FR-2 - Dennis Tarrant (Numisma) & Victor Romero
RAW
18) GET TO CHERRYPICKING
"You Suck Award" - February, 2015
Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
Still looking. Nice pics.