Post Some Soccer rookies
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Figured I would start a soccer thread since the World Cup is going on
Here are a few that I had scans of. I also have a Ronaldo mega craques in a psa 8, 85 panini Baggio, and 2008 Japanese panini Mario Balotelli that I haven't scanned yet
Pele 1958 Titulares
Maradona 1978 Crack Mundial
Messi, Bale, Neymar and Best
1966 Panini Beckenbauer. Just got this from Italy.
Here are a few that I had scans of. I also have a Ronaldo mega craques in a psa 8, 85 panini Baggio, and 2008 Japanese panini Mario Balotelli that I haven't scanned yet
Pele 1958 Titulares
Maradona 1978 Crack Mundial
Messi, Bale, Neymar and Best
1966 Panini Beckenbauer. Just got this from Italy.
Scans of most of my Misc rookies can be found <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://forums.collectors.com/m...y&keyword1=Non%20major">here
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Nice posts. I'll add some soon, as I've got a lot of old ones here. Also, I have 3 different Beckenbauer cards from 1965 that I have subbed to PSA which will eventually get added to the master set registry. The 1966 one you posted is one of many different sets to have a card of him from that year, but isn't a rookie.
My 1965 Beckenbauer rookies include:
Grossen Album-Sammlung - Bundesliga no. 259
Lampo Perfetti - Grand Champions NNO
Sicker-Verlag - Bundesliga no. 238
I've also heard rumor there is a 1965 Editrice Verbania and a 1965 Editorial Fher Beckenbauer, but I haven't found them (or proof of them) yet.
I don't have the majority of my soccer RC's scanned in yet, but here are a couple:
I have only subbed the 1965 Grossen Album-Sammlung - Bundesliga no. 259 once so far for an N9 result. Like you, I've had many, many items that received multiple N9's in a row before eventually getting graded. Not too long ago, I had seen a full complete album of that German set but the cost was high enough that I did not pick it up simply for the sake of scanning each page for the research dept. to include and therefore start grading them.
I have subbed the Lampo 3 or 4 times now with N9 each time. SGC will grade these cards. The Beckenbauer is from the same set as this graded Cassius Clay. The Clay is not mine, just one I happened to find on ebay. I usually print out the photos of front and back and include them w/ my sub to try to peer pressure PSA into grading it since others will. It has worked in the past for other items, just not this one yet. I also have a Eusebio from the same set.
I only very recently subbed the 1965 Sicker-Verlag but I'm pretty confident that one will come back with a grade on it the first time.
I think there were only about 4 or so different graded Beckenbauer items before I started the Master set and subbed all the new ones for inclusion. You know as well as I do that it takes a lot of N9's to build some of these more unique collections. I think I tripled the number of items on the Pele set too, though I'm still sitting on 20 or 30 different ones that have been N9'd multiple times and still haven't been graded yet.
Likely that you're right about that Clay card; it's been a debated topic here before.
The other two Beckenbauer cards I mentioned have the year printed on back among the rest of the text.
1965 Crack Golazo
1968 Crack (I always liked these. Remind me of the Butter Cream baseball cards from the 1930s)
1972 Superchapitas
1966 Maravillas
Also have a 1967 Crack Campeones but apparently I never scanned it.
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Funny thing is that there's a card in the 66 Maravillas set of IBHOFer "Fighting" Harada and he's shoveling ramen into his face on that one too. Not sure what the makers of that set had with athletes eating.
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<< <i>Mostly not rookies, but I think at least Clodoaldo is.
Nick >>
Those are in such good shape, they look like they could be the 1994 Panini World Cup Story reprints instead of the real 1970 Panini ones. Are they the green Italian backs, the red/black Multi-Language backs, or the Bisvalida backs (or, are they 1994 Story)?
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<< <i>Mostly not rookies, but I think at least Clodoaldo is.
Nick >>
Those are in such good shape, they look like they could be the 1994 Panini World Cup Story reprints instead of the real 1970 Panini ones. Are they the green Italian backs, the red/black Multi-Language backs, or the Bisvalida backs (or, are they 1994 Story)? >>
Is that set from 1970? I thought it was from 1980 and the cards just said 1970 on them as like a "turn back the clock..." type tribute.
Here is a link for what the 1994 'reprint' set looked like:
I'll post again with a scan of the 3 types of back issued in 1970 later.
Are there copyrights on them? All of the Argentinean sellers I've bought from or seen advertised them as a 1980 set. I think I actually have a Pele but don't think I scanned the back. Are some backs tougher than others?
I wasn't aware that Panini had reprinted its own designs in 1994.
I bought them from a seller in Europe who had a huge variety of Panini stickers from different sets over the decades as well as a smattering of unopened sticker packs.
They're all black backs.
I paid about $2 a sticker with shipping, so it's not a disaster for me.
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The front is the same image but the cards are smaller and the color is slightly varied. Also see the difference in the logo in the lower left. The font for the text on front is different on the 1994 re-issue too. The cards posted on this thread by NickM are definitely the 1994 World Cup Story set and not the 1970 cards of any of the 3 types (look at the font on his).
Here is a scan of side-by-side for a 1970 BisValida vs. a 1994 World Cup Story:
The cards are not from 1980. Panini stopped using the redemption Bisvalida backs several years before that, in 1973 I'm pretty sure. They were Valida in the 1960's before switching to Bisvalida.
All three 1970 backs, the green Italian, the black/red Multi-Language, and the Bisvalida have been just as easy as each other for me to find. Theoretically there should be less Bisvalida cards out there due to some being turned in for the redemption. All three types of 1970 have the same front and there is no way to tell which type it is just by looking at the front.
Also, you might notice this 1994 World Cup Story w/ a mech error listed as a PSA 1970 for sale. The real 1970 Panini World Cup ones did not have card numbers. The 1994 World Cup Story were numbered. The Pele from that set happens to be no. 38, same as the number for the Pele from the 1970 Anglo set. The 1970 Anglo looks nothing like the Panini cards. I've mentioned to the seller on multiple occasions that his card is a mech error but so far no luck convincing him to pull it and send it back for correction.
So is the 1970 set futbol only? I'm pretty well versed in 60s/70s Panini from collecting boxing cards but had never seen this set in those searches so I'm assuming it wasn't a multisport set like they normally produced back then?
Yes, whichever your preferred translation, football/futbol/fussball/etc., it was a soccer-only set, not a multi-sport. Basically, the 1970 Panini - Mexico 70 World Cup set took the place of the traditionally named Panini Calciatori sets of the 1960's. The Calciatori sets were all unnumbered, and had both regular and Valida backs. This paralleled the concurrent Panini Campioni Dello Sport sets of the 1960's with which you are familiar due to their inclusion of the boxing cards. The Campioni Dello Sport sets were all numbered and multi-sport, and like the Calciatori sets had an Italian back and a Valida back. Throughout the 1960's and 70's, you'd find many times a player, such as Pele, would have a card in both the Calciatori set and the Campioni Dello Sport set from the same year. The 1970 ones were the first to offer the multi-language back as an option to just the Italian back though.
As for Thierry Henry, there are 3 different ones. Here are 2. I have the 3rd one as well, which is the 1997 Panini Los Mejores Equipos Europa no. 182, but it was subbed and pending grading at the moment. The other 2 are mislabeled by PSA and I still need to work with them to correct their errors made by the research dept. and population report on these. As you can tell, one is 1997 Panini - Foot 97 no. 195, and the other is 1997 Panini - Superfoot 1997-98 no. 137. Neither is 1997 Panini Football, and I am fairly certain a set by that name does not exist. For some inexplicable reason, these 2 different cards are labeled as being from the same set. Oh well, just 2 more in a big big box of mech errors I'm sending back soon.
He was one of the best players in American indoor soccer in the early '80s. This is his 1981-82 Wichita Wings game used jersey.
Still N9'd for now but eventually PSA will grade it:
1962 Anglo American Chewing Gum Ltd. - Coaching Secrets #65 Eusebio Ferreira Da Silva
Unfortunately they turned out to be from 1980-81. For you soccer guys out there, anybody worth looking for from those years?
<< <i>Not a soccer guy but saw this thread and how Maradona had a Panini RC in Calciatori from 1979. I went to Italy around that time as a young teenager and wanting to feed my pack ripping habits was forced to buy soccer stickers while I was there. I know I still had them packed away somewhere and remembered the name Calciatori so after seeing some of the values of the Maradona I couldn't wait to get home from work last night and search through my childhood boxes to see if I could find them. Sure enough, I had two books filled with stickers and a couple hundred extras unpeeled as well as about 20-30 unopened packs.
Unfortunately they turned out to be from 1980-81. For you soccer guys out there, anybody worth looking for from those years? >>
No. Send them all to me and I will dispose of them for you.
You're welcome.
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Both managed my favorite club (Chelsea), so if you have extras of those two, drop me a PM. I'd be glad to purchase them from you.
Only an idiot would have a message board signature.
In keeping with the Wichita Wings theme as started with the previous post, here's another from that team, this one of Andy Chapman who was a local favorite while he was playing in Detroit, along with Drago. Probably has some Arsenal card from the 1970's but this is the earliest one I have of him.
Can anyone provide details on the difference between 1960's Tarjeton vs. Crack Golazo? The two terms seem to be used interchangeably, though I would suspect incorrectly. My knowledge base is pretty good for most of the many Euro issues but I don't have nearly as much experience with vintage Argentinian cards from similar era.
Bump for Tarjeton/Crack question in the post above.
This is from the same set. I believe there were 40 charactercatures at the beginning of the album
Great pickups, nice work. Hey Diego, nice pacifier!
With all this Maradona stuff, it sounds like as good a time as any to put up my 2nd favorite George Best quote:
"Maradona good. Pele better. George Best."
<< <i>Bump for Tarjeton/Crack question in the post above. >>
<< <i>Great pickups, nice work. Hey Diego, nice pacifier!
With all this Maradona stuff, it sounds like as good a time as any to put up my 2nd favorite George Best quote:
"Maradona good. Pele better. George Best." >>
George Best's #1 quote:
"If i'd been born ugly you'd never have heard of Pele"
Thread bump: 1969-70 Monty Gum - Eredivise
(I have the 1969-70 Vanderhout as well but it is stuck in an album and I haven't gotten around to removing it for subbing yet)
<< <i>Question from a guy who's just starting to collect soccer: what does "cracks" signify? I see the word on the maradona above, and European "mega cracks" seem to be popular. >>
It's just a card brand.
Only an idiot would have a message board signature.
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Bump. I'm posting 3 of the 5 different Ferenc Puskas RC's I have. The 5 are:
1954 Boninger Feinschnitten - Fussball-Weltmeister 1954 #4
1954 Kosmos-Zigarettenbilder - Deutsche Nationalelf Fussball-Weltmeister 1954 #16
1954 Vogelsang-Tabak - Fussball Weltmeisterschaft #6
1954 Vogelsang-Tabak - Fussball Weltmeisterschaft #55
1954 Vogelsang-Tabak - Fussball Weltmeisterschaft #56