Not sure if this was mentioned in previous pages, but the coneca master listings and coppercoins might be better resources than the cherrypicker's guide for these varieties. The CPG is just a sampling of some of the best, and I have doubts about many more modern varieties being added to it.
Doubleddie, glad you chimed in. Coppercoins and Coneca master list may be more of a source for general knowledge gathering for the advanced collector but the consensus of opinion is that until and unless the
CPG or the Red Book make these a mainstream collectible to the general collecting public our hosts and NGC will not slab these with a special error designated label. We also believe that the values will be
enhanced as a result of their acknowledgement in these popular publications and the major grading companies. I'm assuming doubleddie from your handle that you are John Wexler. I just want to tell you
personally how much I appreciate your website for the ease of identifying these errors and attributes of each stage. It has made the hunt so much more fun and educational!
<< <i>Not sure if this was mentioned in previous pages, but the coneca master listings and coppercoins might be better resources than the cherrypicker's guide for these varieties. The CPG is just a sampling of some of the best, and I have doubts about many more modern varieties being added to it. >>
Very true, however ... PCGS will only attribute varieties in the CPG.
That's why, to date, there are no 2009 PCGS graded Lincoln cent varieties.
I'd be very displeased if the CPG didn't get at least 14 of the best in the next issue.
We would not have this problem now if everyone was not so anxious for "I found this or that" and sent in all the little dots and dashes they came across which in my opinion do not deserve to be recognized.
<< <i>We would not have this problem now if everyone was not so anxious for "I found this or that" and sent in all the little dots and dashes they came across which in my opinion do not deserve to be recognized. >>
I think that has nothing to do with the issue.
Not every variety is listed in the CPG; the 1960d Lincoln has over 100 varieties and no one whines about how many of those are attributed.
No one whines about the number of 1995 DDOs out there; est 600,000.
The whiners are the ones who's only interest is in how many there are and how much they can profit from anything; excluding Pitboss who is simply frustrated like I am.
PCGS has made the decision not to grade these until they're published in the CPG. Why, when EIGHT of these have already been assigned CPG numbers, and are IN PRINT in other publications? Someone please tell me !!
So, holders of these varieties are being held prisoner by Whitman Publishing whos' last update was in 2007 or 2008, at which time only included Lincoln cents to 2000. It's currently 12 years behind.
Send an email to PCGS and ask them why we're being held hostage by Whitman Publishing.
Found two wddr-025 and one wddr-032 on ends of rolls today. Just received a bank box today and only had time to scan the ends. I will crack a couple over the weekend and report my finds.
I like the list that Papi posted. It's encouraging to know that the focus is narrowing.
Thanks Pitboss....got my box on the bay but would not recommend the seller...without elaboration it was not a good experience but I did finally get them. I just verified with my magnifying glass that it
contained only formative cents, opened the box, and looked individually at the ends with my loupe. 50 chances with only 3 having an end of roll error. The nice thing is that they are errors I have never
found, as others have pointed out would be the case, in the mint issued lp2 boxes. Nice to see something else through the loupe and one of them, the wddr-025 is in Papi's top ten! The wddr-032 is in his
runnerup category, so looking forward to seeing what is hiding within!
Pitboss...pm me for that info...having trouble on my end with sending you one. Papi....pm me....not hiding anything except a seller's name that I had a bad experience with.
I wouldn't hesitate in sharing warning of a seller to beware of here -- at least first/last letters of their handle. I'm tempted to pick up a box or two but 4x face value for bank rolls seems a bit steep.
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<< <i>I wouldn't hesitate in sharing warning of a seller to beware of here -- at least first/last letters of their handle. I'm tempted to pick up a box or two but 4x face value for bank rolls seems a bit steep. >>
I agree, I think they're overpriced.
But I have soooooo many now that it would have to be something special for me to dive in.
Well, I had to crack one roll open (heads/heads ends) just to satisfy my curiosity. As Pitboss had, I found only two of the wddr-032's. I also came across about ten obverse die crack cents. The crack goes
from the rim through the "S" in trust. I'm sure you've seen them, but it's a first for me. I like them. Not quite as dramatic as the 13b reverse die crack, but still pretty interesting. I also found about
five minor reverse die cracks that extend from the mallet to the rim on a very straight thin line. Not that exciting, I know. That's it for now...I expect this box has enough errors in it to justify the price at
less than $2.00 a roll. Cheaper than buying scratch off lottery tickets...and much more likely to produce a winner!
I found so many of those die cracks that I stopped saving them. Those rolls are loaded with both kinds you described. They seem expensive but it is cheaper than going to the casino and throwing my money away there.
I just throw die cracks into a cent roll marked "die cracks" to put away for now. It's easier to keep them organized "just in case". The pile is growing for the minor ones but there are a few significant die cracks
that are fun to look at.
Edited to add update: I have opened three rolls thus far yielding a total of five wddr-032 plus the obligitory slew of various die cracks. So Pittboss' average of 2 per roll seems like it
Alright...a little update. Searched two more rolls from my bank box today. Found four more total of the wdddr-032's. Haven't found one of the 025's inside any of the five rolls I've searched so far. I know they
have to be in some of these rolls since I have two showing on the end of two unopened rolls. I'll tell you what, searching bank rolls is a different experience than opening up the mint issued boxes. In the mint
boxes, if you know the correct dates and times, it's like shooting fish in a barrel because you can count on several of the errors you expect to find. In a bank roll, it's a lot more tedious, finding only two errors per
roll on average. Don't get me wrong, I still love finding errors that never showed up in the mint issued boxes. I would though like to hit a "gold vein" so to speak...is that too much to ask? haha
Hopefully the CPG only has 5 of these listed. I think anything over that will just key people into the fact that there are dozens of these with slight differences and probably limit interest. Can you imagine if they only listed one?
I know I stopped buying on a substantial level, and searching what I had, after Wexler started posting DDO's higher than 30.
<< <i>Hopefully the CPG only has 5 of these listed. I think anything over that will just key people into the fact that there are dozens of these with slight differences and probably limit interest. Can you imagine if they only listed one?
I know I stopped buying on a substantial level, and searching what I had, after Wexler started posting DDO's higher than 30. >>
Slight differences? Perhaps you should check the previous pages of images.
Really? You're going to look in the CPG and say OMG there's 14 Lincolns for 2009, "forget that, I'll look for a year with only 2"
IMHO there are <10 that are significant enough to warrant much fanfare. Naked eye factor should be a major consideration -- can they be readily found without visual aids?
While I really like Papi's photo catalog/best of posted, some of them are tough to really see easily for the average set of eyes.
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Uh oh Jessewvu, you got Papi goin' now! P.S. I agree with Papi about the distinct differences with the "best of" errors as he has pictured. I think we all agree that there are some errors that are listed on
Wexler's site that are marginally interesting and really shouldn't enter into any discussion when it comes to being recognized by the CPG or Redbook. There is one error that hasn't gotten much play here,
lately anyway, and that's the 13b die crack variety. I would put that particular one up there as an exciting one to find and own. Just my opinion of course. Oh, I finally found a wddr-025 in one of my rolls.
That makes a total of eight rolls opened now that have produced all together 14 wddr-032's and 1 wddr-025. Constantine asked about die cracks in these bank rolls. The only two that are remotely interesting
is the reverse die crack that extends from the rim into the mallet and the obverse die crack that extends from the rim through the "s" in trust. It is more dramatic because it is longer and more sharply defined.
I would say per roll I have been averaging about 6 of each, so they're not uncommon by any stretch.
Papi knows his stuff, I'm not sure how he is taking my posts, hopefully not the wrong way...
I'm just saying, currently, Wexler has 101 WDDR's attributed. Of all of those, only a few really have much appeal. I would like to see the CPG list only a small few. My choices would be:
WDDR-001 WDDR-002 WDDR-006 WDDR-025 (maybe, to make 5 total) WDDR-043
now, to cover what I said "that there are dozens of these with slight differences" there are DOZENS of these varieties with little difference between their variety markers.
did a quick search on this before posting..
<< <i>Llorón >>
- that's probably uncalled for Papi, I'm not sure what your problem is.
<< <i>that's probably uncalled for Papi, I'm not sure what your problem is. >>
My apologies to anyone offended. The frustration was directed towards the notion that there are too many, to be accepted by collectors, not to any individual(s).
<< <i>IMHO there are <10 that are significant enough to warrant much fanfare. Naked eye factor should be a major consideration -- can they be readily found without visual aids?
While I really like Papi's photo catalog/best of posted, some of them are tough to really see easily for the average set of eyes. >>
Funny you should say, because the one that I find most difficult to see is the 025, which has been assigned a CPG number, go figure.
I am sure that all of us would prefer we stay on point with this ongoing discussion about these error coins, legitimizing them with the major grading companies through recognition by the CPG and Redbook.
It has been an extraordinary dialogue thus far in my estimation. Please remember why we are here, that varying opinions are welcome and encouraged, what we are posting about, and what our mutual agenda is.
Of course we all have different experiences and knowledge about this particular subject and that's why I started this thread; to share and gain information that will help us all in enhancing our collections. I'm having
a blast with this virtual fountain of knowledge we've all enjoyed and benefited from. One of these days we should all collaborate on a book..."Our Collective Formative Days" or "The Guy With Two Thumbs!
Now, I'm going to go and open some more rolls....Peace! .... and a doubled thumbs up for luck to you all in your future searches
P.S. I wish Dengarsan from Ebay would chime in. He is the most active seller of this series by far and has listed and sold thousands of dollars worth. I think his input would be interesting. Anyone know him?
That is alot of work Pitboss. I've opened ten of fifty rolls so far and it's taken me three seperate sittings to do that...lol Congrats on your finds. So far out of my ten opened rolls I've come across 2 wddr-025's
and 16 wddr-032's. Does anyone have any more boxes to open or on order?
P.S. Papi...don't go too far....I enjoy all you have brought to the table as I'm sure everyone else has along the way.
<< <i>Found two wddr-025 and one wddr-032 on ends of rolls today. Just received a bank box today and only had time to scan the ends. I will crack a couple over the weekend and report my finds.
I like the list that Papi posted. It's encouraging to know that the focus is narrowing. >>
<< <i>Uh oh Jessewvu, you got Papi goin' now! P.S. I agree with Papi about the distinct differences with the "best of" errors as he has pictured. I think we all agree that there are some errors that are listed on
Wexler's site that are marginally interesting and really shouldn't enter into any discussion when it comes to being recognized by the CPG or Redbook. There is one error that hasn't gotten much play here,
lately anyway, and that's the 13b die crack variety. I would put that particular one up there as an exciting one to find and own. Just my opinion of course. Oh, I finally found a wddr-025 in one of my rolls.
That makes a total of eight rolls opened now that have produced all together 14 wddr-032's and 1 wddr-025. Constantine asked about die cracks in these bank rolls. The only two that are remotely interesting
is the reverse die crack that extends from the rim into the mallet and the obverse die crack that extends from the rim through the "s" in trust. It is more dramatic because it is longer and more sharply defined.
I would say per roll I have been averaging about 6 of each, so they're not uncommon by any stretch. >>
Wexler added a new die stage to WDDR-013, so the die crack is now 13c. I have no idea when it changed but noticed it the other day. Now I need to change all mine that are in 2x2's to reflect the new stage.
now it's a 13c ????? Yep, back to the 2 x 2's to correct the designation. Pitboss....you could try your local B & M or solicit on the BST. I don't know about Craigslist, if that's viable or not. I'm not buying in the
quantities that you are so Ebay is good enough for me but I do understand trying to get boxes that yield something a little different than the last. Let us know if you find an untapped source!
<< <i>now it's a 13c ????? Yep, back to the 2 x 2's to correct the designation. Pitboss....you could try your local B & M or solicit on the BST. I don't know about Craigslist, if that's viable or not. I'm not buying in the
quantities that you are so Ebay is good enough for me but I do understand trying to get boxes that yield something a little different than the last. Let us know if you find an untapped source! >>
Has the 13c die crack ever been found in bank boxes? Or could it be an LP2 box only?
I have only cracked open my one bank box so I don't have the experience of finding the 13c's anywhere but the mint issued boxes. Papi or Pitboss probably are the guys in the know about it.
<< <i>I still have 3 more boxes to finish going through so I will be busy all week.
I want to pick up some more boxes but don't want more of the same ones as I have enough 028, 029, and 032 already.
Anybody got any suggestions of anyone with some to sell that are not on ebay. >>
If you or anyone else gets a lead on a promising bank box feel free to let me know as I would like to get one too and get back to cracking some rolls and enjoying the hunt. Thanks!
<< <i>I have only cracked open my one bank box so I don't have the experience of finding the 13c's anywhere but the mint issued boxes. Papi or Pitboss probably are the guys in the know about it. >>
I had not even bother with the mint boxes until a couple of weeks ago and now have gone through 7 with good results so I am not an expert on them by any means.
What I thought was WDDR 028 and 029 is actually 016 and 017.
They run up along the sides of the book binding.
One is about 3/8 of an inch to a half inch and the other is about 1/8 of an inch.
Does this sound correct?
Its all in learning all these new errors I guess.
Ok, I think I have them identified now. The first one IS WDDR 028 and the 2nd one is WDDR 057. They were both found in the same rolls with hundreds of die cracks through the mallet to the edge of the coin.
What I thought was WDDR 028 and 029 is actually 016 and 017.
They run up along the sides of the book binding.
One is about 3/8 of an inch to a half inch and the other is about 1/8 of an inch.
Does this sound correct?
Its all in learning all these new errors I guess.
Ok, I think I have them identified now. The first one IS WDDR 028 and the 2nd one is WDDR 057. They were both found in the same rolls with hundreds of die cracks through the mallet to the edge of the coin
Pitboss, can you post pics? All of those error numbers are quite different from the other.
Meantime my search of my bank box rolls: two more rolls opened resulting in 2 of the wddr-025's and 2 of the wddr-032's. Refer to Papi's pics on page 17 of this thread to see what they look like.
<< <i>What I thought was WDDR 028 and 029 is actually 016 and 017.
They run up along the sides of the book binding.
One is about 3/8 of an inch to a half inch and the other is about 1/8 of an inch.
Does this sound correct?
Its all in learning all these new errors I guess.
Ok, I think I have them identified now. The first one IS WDDR 028 and the 2nd one is WDDR 057. They were both found in the same rolls with hundreds of die cracks through the mallet to the edge of the coin
Have you checked the die markers? >>
That is what I finally did to find out exactly what they were.
Out of 5 boxes I came up with 630 of the WDDR 028, 223 of the WDDR 057, 89 of the WDDR 032 and around 500 of the die cracks.
I also have 7 rolls with WDDR 032 and 14 rolls with WDDR 028 on the ends.
Not too bad for the 1st try at rolls.
I have 1 more box here to go through and 3 more in the mail to me now.
Pitboss that is pretty impressive. You are definately taking the lead in the bank roll search race. Three more boxes in the mail? Wow! I'm still only about a fourth way through my first bank box. I'm not
finding nearly as many errors as you have. My count, if the trend continues in my remaining rolls, in the end will probably produce about 25 total of the wddr-025's or less and approximately 50-75 of the 032's.
I think that the 025's may be more scarce than most of the other errors. I'd like to hear if there is any actual count for each error to rate its scarcity. It would certainly enhance the value of the
coin if it were determined to be a more scarce error. If anyone wants to take the time to put together our individual numbers and do a little math the results might be interesting.
Comments
<< <i>Anyone know what happened with Billy Crawford because his website is down? >>
His web site has been down for a long time.
I heard about a questionable coin deal, but I don't know the facts.
CPG or the Red Book make these a mainstream collectible to the general collecting public our hosts and NGC will not slab these with a special error designated label. We also believe that the values will be
enhanced as a result of their acknowledgement in these popular publications and the major grading companies. I'm assuming doubleddie from your handle that you are John Wexler. I just want to tell you
personally how much I appreciate your website for the ease of identifying these errors and attributes of each stage. It has made the hunt so much more fun and educational!
<< <i>Not sure if this was mentioned in previous pages, but the coneca master listings and coppercoins might be better resources than the cherrypicker's guide for these varieties. The CPG is just a sampling of some of the best, and I have doubts about many more modern varieties being added to it. >>
Very true, however ... PCGS will only attribute varieties in the CPG.
That's why, to date, there are no 2009 PCGS graded Lincoln cent varieties.
I'd be very displeased if the CPG didn't get at least 14 of the best in the next issue.
<< <i>We would not have this problem now if everyone was not so anxious for "I found this or that" and sent in all the little dots and dashes they came across which in my opinion do not deserve to be recognized. >>
I think that has nothing to do with the issue.
Not every variety is listed in the CPG; the 1960d Lincoln has over 100 varieties and no one whines about how many of those are attributed.
No one whines about the number of 1995 DDOs out there; est 600,000.
The whiners are the ones who's only interest is in how many there are and how much they can profit from anything; excluding Pitboss who is simply frustrated like I am.
PCGS has made the decision not to grade these until they're published in the CPG. Why, when EIGHT of these have already been assigned CPG numbers, and are IN PRINT in other publications? Someone please tell me !!
So, holders of these varieties are being held prisoner by Whitman Publishing whos' last update was in 2007 or 2008, at which time only included Lincoln cents to 2000. It's currently 12 years behind.
Send an email to PCGS and ask them why we're being held hostage by Whitman Publishing.
<< <i>What are the 8 that have been assigned numbers and where do they arrear? >>
Six of them appear here.
Lincoln Resource Top Ten
The seventh; WDDR-016 is not on that Top Ten, but has CPG #FS-01-2009-805
I thought, but may be wrong, that the 8th; WDDR-014 had a CPG # FS-01-2009-806; don't quote me on that
Ken Potter has some listed in his NEW book "Strike it Rich with Pocket Change"
ASSIGNED CPG #s
WDDR-001 ~ FS-01-2009-803
WDDR-002 ~ FS-01-2009-802
WDDR-006 ~ FS-01-2009-808
WDDR-016 ~ FS-01-2009-807
WDDR-025 ~ FS-01-2009-805
WDDR-043 ~ FS-01-2009-801
WDDR-050 ~ FS-01-2009-804
I like the list that Papi posted. It's encouraging to know that the focus is narrowing.
I am still going through the 8 boxes I received.
It sure takes a lot of time but I have nothing else to do anyway.
Where did you get your box?
I was not able to scan my coins before opening them as my dinoscope is not working right , it keeps flashing and going out, flashing and
going out so I don't get a clear picture at all.
I missed several that were on the end of rolls because of that,
contained only formative cents, opened the box, and looked individually at the ends with my loupe. 50 chances with only 3 having an end of roll error. The nice thing is that they are errors I have never
found, as others have pointed out would be the case, in the mint issued lp2 boxes. Nice to see something else through the loupe and one of them, the wddr-025 is in Papi's top ten! The wddr-032 is in his
runnerup category, so looking forward to seeing what is hiding within!
I was finding an average of 2 to a roll.
PM me with who it was you bought them from please.
I don't need the grief and I am buying quite a few boxes.
<< <i>Two of the boxes I picked up had the WDDR 32 in them.
I was finding an average of 2 to a roll.
PM me with who it was you bought them from please.
I don't need the grief and I am buying quite a few boxes. >>
Really, you guys wanna keep your finds private and only share limited info?
I won't jump to conclusions without hearing the reason.
<< <i>I wouldn't hesitate in sharing warning of a seller to beware of here -- at least first/last letters of their handle. I'm tempted to pick up a box or two but 4x face value for bank rolls seems a bit steep. >>
I agree, I think they're overpriced.
But I have soooooo many now that it would have to be something special for me to dive in.
from the rim through the "S" in trust. I'm sure you've seen them, but it's a first for me. I like them. Not quite as dramatic as the 13b reverse die crack, but still pretty interesting. I also found about
five minor reverse die cracks that extend from the mallet to the rim on a very straight thin line. Not that exciting, I know. That's it for now...I expect this box has enough errors in it to justify the price at
less than $2.00 a roll. Cheaper than buying scratch off lottery tickets...and much more likely to produce a winner!
that are fun to look at.
Edited to add update: I have opened three rolls thus far yielding a total of five wddr-032 plus the obligitory slew of various die cracks. So Pittboss' average of 2 per roll seems like it
will hold true.
I found 14 rolls with WDDR 028 and 7 rolls with WDDR 032 on the ends.
There is 21 rolls I don't have to look through.
I am glad I stopped opening rolls that showed tails on at least one end and just opened heads/heads rolls.
Should have done that sooner.
have to be in some of these rolls since I have two showing on the end of two unopened rolls. I'll tell you what, searching bank rolls is a different experience than opening up the mint issued boxes. In the mint
boxes, if you know the correct dates and times, it's like shooting fish in a barrel because you can count on several of the errors you expect to find. In a bank roll, it's a lot more tedious, finding only two errors per
roll on average. Don't get me wrong, I still love finding errors that never showed up in the mint issued boxes. I would though like to hit a "gold vein" so to speak...is that too much to ask? haha
I know I stopped buying on a substantial level, and searching what I had, after Wexler started posting DDO's higher than 30.
<< <i>Hopefully the CPG only has 5 of these listed. I think anything over that will just key people into the fact that there are dozens of these with slight differences and probably limit interest. Can you imagine if they only listed one?
I know I stopped buying on a substantial level, and searching what I had, after Wexler started posting DDO's higher than 30. >>
Slight differences? Perhaps you should check the previous pages of images.
Really? You're going to look in the CPG and say OMG there's 14 Lincolns for 2009, "forget that, I'll look for a year with only 2"
Besides any DDRs, have you been finding many die cracks that are fairly substantial?
<< <i>
WDDR-001
WDDR-006
WDDR-016
WDDR-043
WDDR-051
WDDR-062
I'd say they're all distinctly different, nothing slight about them. >>
While I really like Papi's photo catalog/best of posted, some of them are tough to really see easily for the average set of eyes.
Wexler's site that are marginally interesting and really shouldn't enter into any discussion when it comes to being recognized by the CPG or Redbook. There is one error that hasn't gotten much play here,
lately anyway, and that's the 13b die crack variety. I would put that particular one up there as an exciting one to find and own. Just my opinion of course. Oh, I finally found a wddr-025 in one of my rolls.
That makes a total of eight rolls opened now that have produced all together 14 wddr-032's and 1 wddr-025. Constantine asked about die cracks in these bank rolls. The only two that are remotely interesting
is the reverse die crack that extends from the rim into the mallet and the obverse die crack that extends from the rim through the "s" in trust. It is more dramatic because it is longer and more sharply defined.
I would say per roll I have been averaging about 6 of each, so they're not uncommon by any stretch.
I'm just saying, currently, Wexler has 101 WDDR's attributed. Of all of those, only a few really have much appeal. I would like to see the CPG list only a small few. My choices would be:
WDDR-001
WDDR-002
WDDR-006
WDDR-025 (maybe, to make 5 total)
WDDR-043
now, to cover what I said "that there are dozens of these with slight differences" there are DOZENS of these varieties with little difference between their variety markers.
did a quick search on this before posting..
<< <i>Llorón >>
- that's probably uncalled for Papi, I'm not sure what your problem is.
<< <i>that's probably uncalled for Papi, I'm not sure what your problem is. >>
My apologies to anyone offended. The frustration was directed towards the notion that there are too many, to be accepted by collectors, not to any individual(s).
<< <i>IMHO there are <10 that are significant enough to warrant much fanfare. Naked eye factor should be a major consideration -- can they be readily found without visual aids?
While I really like Papi's photo catalog/best of posted, some of them are tough to really see easily for the average set of eyes. >>
Funny you should say, because the one that I find most difficult to see is the 025, which has been assigned a CPG number, go figure.
It has been an extraordinary dialogue thus far in my estimation. Please remember why we are here, that varying opinions are welcome and encouraged, what we are posting about, and what our mutual agenda is.
Of course we all have different experiences and knowledge about this particular subject and that's why I started this thread; to share and gain information that will help us all in enhancing our collections. I'm having
a blast with this virtual fountain of knowledge we've all enjoyed and benefited from. One of these days we should all collaborate on a book..."Our Collective Formative Days" or "The Guy With Two Thumbs!
Now, I'm going to go and open some more rolls....Peace! .... and a doubled thumbs up for luck to you all in your future searches
P.S. I wish Dengarsan from Ebay would chime in. He is the most active seller of this series by far and has listed and sold thousands of dollars worth. I think his input would be interesting. Anyone know him?
Invite him to our discussion if you do.
Most of all; have fun with these.
It's time for me to go.
7 rolls unopened because of a WDDR 032 on thw end.
132 WDDR 032 pulled from the other 93 rolls
Lot of work but fun and rewarding.
and 16 wddr-032's. Does anyone have any more boxes to open or on order?
P.S. Papi...don't go too far....I enjoy all you have brought to the table as I'm sure everyone else has along the way.
<< <i>Found two wddr-025 and one wddr-032 on ends of rolls today. Just received a bank box today and only had time to scan the ends. I will crack a couple over the weekend and report my finds.
I like the list that Papi posted. It's encouraging to know that the focus is narrowing. >>
Where did you order your box from? Thanks
Successful Trades: Swampboy,
<< <i>Uh oh Jessewvu, you got Papi goin' now! P.S. I agree with Papi about the distinct differences with the "best of" errors as he has pictured. I think we all agree that there are some errors that are listed on
Wexler's site that are marginally interesting and really shouldn't enter into any discussion when it comes to being recognized by the CPG or Redbook. There is one error that hasn't gotten much play here,
lately anyway, and that's the 13b die crack variety. I would put that particular one up there as an exciting one to find and own. Just my opinion of course. Oh, I finally found a wddr-025 in one of my rolls.
That makes a total of eight rolls opened now that have produced all together 14 wddr-032's and 1 wddr-025. Constantine asked about die cracks in these bank rolls. The only two that are remotely interesting
is the reverse die crack that extends from the rim into the mallet and the obverse die crack that extends from the rim through the "s" in trust. It is more dramatic because it is longer and more sharply defined.
I would say per roll I have been averaging about 6 of each, so they're not uncommon by any stretch. >>
Wexler added a new die stage to WDDR-013, so the die crack is now 13c. I have no idea when it changed but noticed it the other day. Now I need to change all mine that are in 2x2's to reflect the new stage.
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I still have 3 more boxes to finish going through so I will be busy all week.
I want to pick up some more boxes but don't want more of the same ones as I have enough 028, 029, and 032 already.
Anybody got any suggestions of anyone with some to sell that are not on ebay.
quantities that you are so Ebay is good enough for me but I do understand trying to get boxes that yield something a little different than the last. Let us know if you find an untapped source!
<< <i>now it's a 13c ????? Yep, back to the 2 x 2's to correct the designation. Pitboss....you could try your local B & M or solicit on the BST. I don't know about Craigslist, if that's viable or not. I'm not buying in the
quantities that you are so Ebay is good enough for me but I do understand trying to get boxes that yield something a little different than the last. Let us know if you find an untapped source! >>
Has the 13c die crack ever been found in bank boxes? Or could it be an LP2 box only?
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<< <i>I still have 3 more boxes to finish going through so I will be busy all week.
I want to pick up some more boxes but don't want more of the same ones as I have enough 028, 029, and 032 already.
Anybody got any suggestions of anyone with some to sell that are not on ebay. >>
If you or anyone else gets a lead on a promising bank box feel free to let me know as I would like to get one too and get back to cracking some rolls and enjoying the hunt. Thanks!
<< <i>I have only cracked open my one bank box so I don't have the experience of finding the 13c's anywhere but the mint issued boxes. Papi or Pitboss probably are the guys in the know about it. >>
I had not even bother with the mint boxes until a couple of weeks ago and now have gone through 7 with good results so I am not an expert on them by any means.
They run up along the sides of the book binding.
One is about 3/8 of an inch to a half inch and the other is about 1/8 of an inch.
Does this sound correct?
Its all in learning all these new errors I guess.
Ok, I think I have them identified now. The first one IS WDDR 028 and the 2nd one is WDDR 057. They were both found in the same rolls with hundreds of die cracks through the mallet to the edge of the coin.
What I thought was WDDR 028 and 029 is actually 016 and 017.
They run up along the sides of the book binding.
One is about 3/8 of an inch to a half inch and the other is about 1/8 of an inch.
Does this sound correct?
Its all in learning all these new errors I guess.
Ok, I think I have them identified now. The first one IS WDDR 028 and the 2nd one is WDDR 057. They were both found in the same rolls with hundreds of die cracks through the mallet to the edge of the coin
Have you checked the die markers?
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Meantime my search of my bank box rolls: two more rolls opened resulting in 2 of the wddr-025's and 2 of the wddr-032's. Refer to Papi's pics on page 17 of this thread to see what they look like.
<< <i>What I thought was WDDR 028 and 029 is actually 016 and 017.
They run up along the sides of the book binding.
One is about 3/8 of an inch to a half inch and the other is about 1/8 of an inch.
Does this sound correct?
Its all in learning all these new errors I guess.
Ok, I think I have them identified now. The first one IS WDDR 028 and the 2nd one is WDDR 057. They were both found in the same rolls with hundreds of die cracks through the mallet to the edge of the coin
Have you checked the die markers? >>
That is what I finally did to find out exactly what they were.
Out of 5 boxes I came up with 630 of the WDDR 028, 223 of the WDDR 057, 89 of the WDDR 032 and around 500 of the die cracks.
I also have 7 rolls with WDDR 032 and 14 rolls with WDDR 028 on the ends.
Not too bad for the 1st try at rolls.
I have 1 more box here to go through and 3 more in the mail to me now.
finding nearly as many errors as you have. My count, if the trend continues in my remaining rolls, in the end will probably produce about 25 total of the wddr-025's or less and approximately 50-75 of the 032's.
I think that the 025's may be more scarce than most of the other errors. I'd like to hear if there is any actual count for each error to rate its scarcity. It would certainly enhance the value of the
coin if it were determined to be a more scarce error. If anyone wants to take the time to put together our individual numbers and do a little math the results might be interesting.
OK, are you ready for some good news.
I talked to Dennis Tucker of Whitman Publishing today and he ok'd me passing the word to everyone here that:
Die variations of the 2009 Lincoln cents will be covered in the 6th edition vol 1 of the CPG .
Exactly which ones will be included is still being explored--- but they are in there.
I would say now is the time to stock up guys on the good ones.
You know which ones they are.
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