<< <i> Why is this amazing? Are there folks who bought these, at the bank, in 2009 and have sat on them for 5 years thinking they'll make a killing? Yes!
We've discussed, at length, the scarcity and quantities known, of this stage; a stage that only a specialist would likely be interested in. >>
Can't we just congratulate another person and be excited for a rare find? Congrats PB!
<< <i>By the way, how many 016s did you find in your bank box? >>
I thought I reported that Papi. Something in the neighborhood of 150. (hope that helps) Thanks for reminding me that I've had some luck in searching bank boxes. It's been more bust
than boom for me but I'm still looking for the holy grail that you and PB have found. Keep the faith doubled die-hards!
These lincoln pennies are worth very little in value so stop wasting your time! You will not see these in PCGS holders or NGC either! So move on.
Don't believe in all the hype and promoters here!! Die cracks are very common in business struck coins but not in Proof coins.. your questions are all answered. Happy 2014!
Telsa is one of the greatest inventors of all time! Render to Caesar's what is Caesars and give to God what is God's.
<< <i>These lincoln pennies are worth very little in value so stop wasting your time! You will not see these in PCGS holders or NGC either! So move on.
Don't believe in all the hype and promoters here!! Die cracks are very common in business struck coins but not in Proof coins.. your questions are all answered.
Happy 2014!
>>
Finally, the voice of reason! Thanks Mystery man! (SARCASM) for anyone who might think I actually agree with this guy.
Come on guys, don't let some non believer jump in and get everyone fighting. We have a good group here, lets just enjoy what we have and ignore people that are just being hostile to our great coins.
Hello Mr. Boss I could care less what that guy had to say I am just messing around a bit we need some levity around here. We also need more than the 4 people who post here. We should start inviting the other sellers on ebay to join us.
We need to try and enjoy what we have on this thread. Others may not say much but there are plenty of people that read this thread and are just sitting back and waiting to see what happens. Lets just keep talking among ourselves, even if there are only four, and be civil with each other.
What everybody needs to remember is that some of us have spent many thousands of dollars buying these bank boxes and LP2 rolls and it is hard for them to want to talk about their hard earned gains. I know I have bought at least 150-200 of those bank boxes and not at the $25 face value price either so what I am trying to say I guess is be thankful for whatever you can learn as most of you have not paid the dues on these coins as those of us that have been with them for 5 years.
Don't get me wrong, I will help anybody that asks for my help but we all need to calm down and not jump on the other guy for not wanting to tell all that he knows. Just accept what he is saying and learn from it. I am now off the soapbox so go find some more good errors and enjoy them.
<< <i>We need to try and enjoy what we have on this thread. Others may not say much but there are plenty of people that read this thread and are just sitting back and waiting to see what happens. Lets just keep talking among ourselves, even if there are only four, and be civil with each other. >>
Well just stopping by and Hope you feel better Steve, like you I use the VA and they really do try to help the Vets.......tom
Hi Tommy, The VA is a great place. We have a very good one here in Albuquerque. My wife and I were at our weekly bingo session and after I won my 2nd game of the night I felt a sharp pain in my side, I stayed around for one more game and could not stand it any longer as I was getting sicker by the minute. They did all kinds of tests and found the kidney stone witch I passed while I was there and came home around 3 am. There there no more in there so now I can get back to my 24/7 watch for more double dies. Thanks everyone for your concerns Steve
This thread is deteriorating -- the stone pass should either be in the rocks and minerals, sporting events, Kidney's R Us, or the Internalist's forums.
Just need a pic now to clinch the topic. OK, back to topic. Nothing lately to report on DDR's.
(whew PB!)
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I have not made many purchases lately but I did just purchase 26 ddr-016s. I have purchased from this source before and they are nice coins. I have no feel for the actual population of this error but I like to get them when I can because most of the people who have hoards of the 09 ddrs don't have this error.... I hope
I just want to say thank you to all who have shared information freely on this thread to the benefit and edification of all of us. We are all better collectors (and people) for it.
When I started this thread there had been little or no discussion about these doubled dies for quite awhile and was simply curious as to where all of the "good" lp2 boxes had gone.
Secret hoarding was my guess...and then this wonderful protracted conversation started and continues today. Again, thanks to everyone for sharing your knowledge, wisdom, and
valuable insights into these great (still under appreciated) errors. I always look forward to reading this thread for the (sometime) surprises and the obvious comradery that we enjoy while
discussing the latest discovery or lobbying together for inclusion into the important publications i.e. the CPG and Redbook! Keep the faith doubled die-hards! A double thumbs up to you all!
Thank you OneDollarHollar this thread is great in that we debate without hate!!! ha I made a rime. This thread is important to the promotion of these errors and I am very surprised that these errors have not taken off from day one considering some of the other errors of our current era that have. I was just lookin at auction results for the non error coins and you all need to send in your best non errors that you believe would grade MS68 to PCGS as they are going for 1000.00 or better!!!!!! This also shows an end goal when our host finally starts grading these as a MS68 006 should do better than that!!!
<< <i>Is there a website devoted to these? I suppose I could read this entire thread but at 120+ pages I think not. >>
There is no book written on them yet but they are listed in the new professional Redbook but will not be listed as line items in to be coming out in this years regular Redbook but will be noted as "varieties exist " .
Next years CPG will include them..
There is a website wexlerscoinanddievarieties.com.
<< <i>is there a website devoted to these? I suppose I could read this entire thread but at 120+ pages I think not >>
Here's Wexler's site. I'm not sure about a book that talks about these exclusively but PB has directed you to the right publications for perusal. I would however encourage you to read
this thread to add more insight and learn from our experiences with these doubled dies until such a book like Dentuck is suggesting actually comes out.
<< <i>...but will not be listed as line items in to be coming out in this years regular Redbook but will be noted as "varieties exist " . >>
Whack?????
(Scrooge McDuck)
Refs: MCM,Fivecents,Julio,Robman,Endzone,Coiny,Agentjim007,Musky1011,holeinone1972,Tdec1000,Type2,bumanchu, Metalsman,Wondercoin,Pitboss,Tomohawk,carew4me,segoja,thebigeng,jlc_coin,mbogoman,sportsmod,dragon,tychojoe,Schmitz7,claychaser, Bullsitter, robeck, Nickpatton, jwitten, and many OTHERS
Just astounded that the revered Redbook isn't going to list these yet. Why not? What's to lose? So many large/small dates, doubled ears, blah blah, etc. Why are extra fingers not worthy of mention? We know these are in the wild and a great collectible. Whack?
Someone else may just list them instead, competition is always out there. A question more for Dentuck.
Refs: MCM,Fivecents,Julio,Robman,Endzone,Coiny,Agentjim007,Musky1011,holeinone1972,Tdec1000,Type2,bumanchu, Metalsman,Wondercoin,Pitboss,Tomohawk,carew4me,segoja,thebigeng,jlc_coin,mbogoman,sportsmod,dragon,tychojoe,Schmitz7,claychaser, Bullsitter, robeck, Nickpatton, jwitten, and many OTHERS
What you have to keep in mind are all the preparations that take place for the Redbook to be published and also the space allotment also.
They started putting this book together when the published last years book.
Remember Rome was not built in a few days.
Be patient and you will be rewarded and in the meantime just keep collecting these great errors as once they become more widely known you will not have that opportunity.
If the Redbook can't stay up with the times, someone else will. Online books are far cheaper to produce. Period.
Refs: MCM,Fivecents,Julio,Robman,Endzone,Coiny,Agentjim007,Musky1011,holeinone1972,Tdec1000,Type2,bumanchu, Metalsman,Wondercoin,Pitboss,Tomohawk,carew4me,segoja,thebigeng,jlc_coin,mbogoman,sportsmod,dragon,tychojoe,Schmitz7,claychaser, Bullsitter, robeck, Nickpatton, jwitten, and many OTHERS
I strongly encourage you to publish a book about these varieties, if your passion and interest are there. Don't look at other books, web sites, etc., as being "competition" --- a rising tide lifts all ships in the hobby community! The more interest and enthusiasm exists for coin collecting in general, the better for everyone. After your book is written and published, more collectors will take notice of the varieties. If a broad base of interest develops, and a robust secondary market takes shape (both wholesale and retail, with numerous mainstream coin dealers publicizing their buy price, actively seeking the varieties for their inventory, and offering them in their price lists), then the standard references like the Red Book will be more likely to line-item list them. But it all starts with the broad-based public interest, not vice versa. Don't think of the Red Book as being a tool that you use to publicize these varieties; think of it as a "newspaper of record" that reports on the hobby community's interest.
Excellent response Dennis (Dentuck). I agree that we can't rely on anyone else to help promote these errors. We'll be patient waiting for complete recognition of their importance by the
major publications and TPG's.
<< <i>Don't think of the Red Book as being a tool that you use to publicize these varieties; think of it as a "newspaper of record" that reports on the hobby community's interest. >>
My only issue with this statement, Dennis, is that when I first began collecting I looked to the Red Book not as a "newspaper of record" but as a guide, a leader, the Lewis and Clark of
discovery if you will. If I couldn't see the newest, greatest, most exciting discoveries in the Red Book....it didn't exist. I still want to believe that your publication is a leader, has
resources, staff, etc. and should be at the top of the mountain shouting Eureka! about these. These doubled die error cents are definitely the Rodney Dangerfield's of the hobby. I'm not
sure if anyone on this thread has the wherewithall, time, or expertise in producing an e-book or hardcover and that's why we look to you to carry the banner into battle and lead the
That sounds more like the Cherrypickers' Guide, which is specifically devoted to die varieties of U.S. coins.
If these varieties are worth the effort (and from this conversation it's obvious that they have their cheerleaders, which is great), someone will come along --- some passionate collector, some enthusiastic dealer --- and write a book about them. It might be someone who's already participating on this board. It might be someone else.
They're neat coins, there's no doubt about it. Every die variety has a story to tell, and can educate collectors about the minting process. Help them tell their stories! Write articles for The Numismatist; talk them up in Coin World and Numismatic News and COINage, if they're game for publishing a feature story or a letter to the editor; write a book that gets other collectors interested and checking their pocket change. Tell people how to find them, and where to look; give auction records and real-world transaction histories; describe the coins, with text and with large photographs; toss in some quotes from well-known experts and dealers; give an estimate of how many dies were involved, and estimated mintages or field populations; give some historical context, telling about the Lincoln cent, and in particular the 2009 Bicentennial cents; tie them into the broader story of numismatics by comparing them to other famous doubled dies and varieties; etc.
All of this will build collector and dealer interest in the coins. That will encourage people to actively collect them. Normal forces of supply and demand will cause the growth of a robust buy-sell-trade market, where dealers buy the coins wholesale and then retail them to their customers who want them. Higher-grade examples will be offered at auction, and high-end collectors and investors will seek the finest for their cabinets. The market will naturally fine-tune as it matures, with collectors differentiating small grade differences and paying "x" for AU-58, "y" for MS-63, "z" for MS-65, etc.
When this level of hobby-community activity surrounds the varieties, mainstream reference books will pick them up.
I cannot emphasize enough how much I appreciate your input, insight, experience, direction, and simple passion for the hobby. Thank you Dennis for taking your time to add to the
I'm coming from the same perspective as OneDoll since the Redbook was the first coin book I bought as a 6 year old and it was THE bible of coins to me. My kids had this book too.
I never heard of the CPG for several decades later.
Refs: MCM,Fivecents,Julio,Robman,Endzone,Coiny,Agentjim007,Musky1011,holeinone1972,Tdec1000,Type2,bumanchu, Metalsman,Wondercoin,Pitboss,Tomohawk,carew4me,segoja,thebigeng,jlc_coin,mbogoman,sportsmod,dragon,tychojoe,Schmitz7,claychaser, Bullsitter, robeck, Nickpatton, jwitten, and many OTHERS
Comments
<< <i>
Why is this amazing? Are there folks who bought these, at the bank, in 2009 and have sat on them for 5 years thinking they'll make a killing? Yes!
We've discussed, at length, the scarcity and quantities known, of this stage; a stage that only a specialist would likely be interested in.
>>
Can't we just congratulate another person and be excited for a rare find? Congrats PB!
By the way, how many 016s did you find in your bank box?
I'm just sayin'
But if I were to guess; I'd say $5-$8
<< <i>By the way, how many 016s did you find in your bank box? >>
I thought I reported that Papi. Something in the neighborhood of 150. (hope that helps) Thanks for reminding me that I've had some luck in searching bank boxes. It's been more bust
than boom for me but I'm still looking for the holy grail that you and PB have found.
Don't believe in all the hype and promoters here!! Die cracks are very common in business struck coins but not in Proof coins.. your questions are all answered.
Happy 2014!
of all time! Render to Caesar's what is
Caesars and give to God what is God's.
<< <i>These lincoln pennies are worth very little in value so stop wasting your time! You will not see these in PCGS holders or NGC either! So move on.
Don't believe in all the hype and promoters here!! Die cracks are very common in business struck coins but not in Proof coins.. your questions are all answered.
Happy 2014!
>>
Finally, the voice of reason! Thanks Mystery man! (SARCASM) for anyone who might think I actually agree with this guy.
<< <i>hey onedollar I have been looking for some cents that are 2009 or newer that are worth 8000X face could you direct me to some please? >>
Go to Ebay and buy some of PB's graded MS67 coins that run about $80 then you have a coin worth 8000X face value.
Don't get me wrong, I will help anybody that asks for my help but we all need to calm down and not jump on the other guy for not wanting to tell all that he knows. Just accept what he is saying and learn from it.
I am now off the soapbox so go find some more good errors and enjoy them.
<< <i>go find some more good errors and enjoy them. >>
That's some good advice PB....think I will do just that!
<< <i>We need to try and enjoy what we have on this thread. Others may not say much but there are plenty of people that read this thread and are just sitting back and waiting to see what happens. Lets just keep talking among ourselves, even if there are only four, and be civil with each other. >>
I used to be famous now I just collect coins.
Link to My Registry Set.
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-specialty-sets/washington-quarters-complete-variety-set-circulation-strikes-1932-1964/publishedset/78469
Varieties Are The Spice Of LIFE and Thanks to Those who teach us what to search For.
The VA is a great place. We have a very good one here in Albuquerque. My wife and I were at our weekly bingo session and after I won my 2nd game of the night I felt a sharp pain in my side, I stayed around for one more game and could not stand it any longer as I was getting sicker by the minute. They did all kinds of tests and found the kidney stone witch I passed while I was there and came home around 3 am. There there no more in there so now I can get back to my 24/7 watch for more double dies.
Thanks everyone for your concerns
Steve
<< <i>Check that stone for DDRs pb >>
Send it in to Anacs and see if it will slab with a grade or come back as genuine/cleaned ... or whizzed!
Just need a pic now to clinch the topic. OK, back to topic. Nothing lately to report on DDR's.
(whew PB!)
I have no feel for the actual population of this error but I like to get them when I can because most of the people who have hoards of the 09 ddrs don't have
this error.... I hope
When I started this thread there had been little or no discussion about these doubled dies for quite awhile and was simply curious as to where all of the "good" lp2 boxes had gone.
Secret hoarding was my guess...and then this wonderful protracted conversation started and continues today. Again, thanks to everyone for sharing your knowledge, wisdom, and
valuable insights into these great (still under appreciated) errors. I always look forward to reading this thread for the (sometime) surprises and the obvious comradery that we enjoy while
discussing the latest discovery or lobbying together for inclusion into the important publications i.e. the CPG and Redbook! Keep the faith doubled die-hards! A double thumbs up to you all!
<< <i>Is there a website devoted to these? I suppose I could read this entire thread but at 120+ pages I think not.
There was some talk of a book being written to present the information
in a clear, logical, easy-to-digest format.
<< <i>Is there a website devoted to these? I suppose I could read this entire thread but at 120+ pages I think not.
There is no book written on them yet but they are listed in the new professional Redbook but will not be listed as line items in to be coming out in this years regular Redbook but will be noted as "varieties exist " .
Next years CPG will include them..
There is a website wexlerscoinanddievarieties.com.
<< <i>is there a website devoted to these? I suppose I could read this entire thread but at 120+ pages I think not >>
Here's Wexler's site. I'm not sure about a book that talks about these exclusively but PB has directed you to the right publications for perusal. I would however encourage you to read
this thread to add more insight and learn from our experiences with these doubled dies until such a book like Dentuck is suggesting actually comes out.
Welcome to all new doubled die-hards!
<< <i>...but will not be listed as line items in to be coming out in this years regular Redbook but will be noted as "varieties exist " . >>
Whack?????
(Scrooge McDuck)
We have to be patient and just keep picking up prime lots of these coins.
I have noticed more and more new people getting interested in these coins all the time.
I sold 2 of the WDDO 002 coins that I got last week along with a bunch of other stuff so things are moving. Keep the faith and be patient.
Someone else may just list them instead, competition is always out there. A question more for Dentuck.
What you have to keep in mind are all the preparations that take place for the Redbook to be published and also the space allotment also.
They started putting this book together when the published last years book.
Remember Rome was not built in a few days.
Be patient and you will be rewarded and in the meantime just keep collecting these great errors as once they become more widely known you will not have that opportunity.
If the Redbook can't stay up with the times, someone else will. Online books are far cheaper to produce. Period.
your passion and interest are there. Don't look at other books, web
sites, etc., as being "competition" --- a rising tide lifts all
ships in the hobby community! The more interest and enthusiasm
exists for coin collecting in general, the better for everyone. After
your book is written and published, more collectors will take notice
of the varieties. If a broad base of interest develops, and a
robust secondary market takes shape (both wholesale and retail,
with numerous mainstream coin dealers publicizing their buy price,
actively seeking the varieties for their inventory, and offering
them in their price lists), then the standard references like the
Red Book will be more likely to line-item list them. But it all
starts with the broad-based public interest, not vice versa. Don't
think of the Red Book as being a tool that you use to publicize
these varieties; think of it as a "newspaper of record" that reports
on the hobby community's interest.
major publications and TPG's.
<< <i>Don't
think of the Red Book as being a tool that you use to publicize
these varieties; think of it as a "newspaper of record" that reports
on the hobby community's interest. >>
My only issue with this statement, Dennis, is that when I first began collecting I looked to the Red Book not as a "newspaper of record" but as a guide, a leader, the Lewis and Clark of
discovery if you will. If I couldn't see the newest, greatest, most exciting discoveries in the Red Book....it didn't exist. I still want to believe that your publication is a leader, has
resources, staff, etc. and should be at the top of the mountain shouting Eureka! about these. These doubled die error cents are definitely the Rodney Dangerfield's of the hobby. I'm not
sure if anyone on this thread has the wherewithall, time, or expertise in producing an e-book or hardcover and that's why we look to you to carry the banner into battle and lead the
charge!
specifically devoted to die varieties of U.S. coins.
If these varieties are worth the effort (and from this conversation
it's obvious that they have their cheerleaders, which is great), someone
will come along --- some passionate collector, some enthusiastic dealer ---
and write a book about them. It might be someone who's already
participating on this board. It might be someone else.
They're neat coins, there's no doubt about it. Every die variety
has a story to tell, and can educate collectors about the minting
process. Help them tell their stories! Write articles for The Numismatist;
talk them up in Coin World and Numismatic News and COINage,
if they're game for publishing a feature story or a letter to the editor; write
a book that gets other collectors interested and checking their pocket
change. Tell people how to find them, and where to look; give auction
records and real-world transaction histories; describe the coins, with
text and with large photographs; toss in some quotes from well-known
experts and dealers; give an estimate of how many dies were involved,
and estimated mintages or field populations; give some historical
context, telling about the Lincoln cent, and in particular the 2009
Bicentennial cents; tie them into the broader story of numismatics by
comparing them to other famous doubled dies and varieties; etc.
All of this will build collector and dealer interest in the coins. That will
encourage people to actively collect them. Normal forces of supply
and demand will cause the growth of a robust buy-sell-trade market,
where dealers buy the coins wholesale and then retail them to their
customers who want them. Higher-grade examples will be offered
at auction, and high-end collectors and investors will seek the finest
for their cabinets. The market will naturally fine-tune as it matures,
with collectors differentiating small grade differences and paying
"x" for AU-58, "y" for MS-63, "z" for MS-65, etc.
When this level of hobby-community activity surrounds the varieties,
mainstream reference books will pick them up.
discussion. A doubled thumbs up to you Sir!
I'm coming from the same perspective as OneDoll since the Redbook was the first coin book I bought as a 6 year old and it was THE bible of coins to me. My kids had this book too.
I never heard of the CPG for several decades later.