Hey Half, me thinks you're too late on those timestamps too -- toss em back and fish for some earlier...
Careful though. These are addictive. Sealed bank rolls can be fun as long as you're not paying too much over face. Good Luck!
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You should not feel you are too late as I feel you would be too late if you get into it a year from now as the prices on the good ones are going to get expensive.
Hello halfhunter, Mr. Nanney, nice to meet you on this thread. Your discovery of the 08/07 reverse eagle will always be the discovery of the century, at least of the decade, not knowing what the mint will
come up with next. Haha..... I WAS too late to the party on that one but you made many on this forum very happy with your astute observation.
In regard to your query about the 4/30 boxes, from what i have opened/recorded for that date you should find several wddr-004's inside. As Pitboss has stated you are NOT too late to the party. There are still
some great opportunities in the lp2 series and of course if you're just wanting a sample of the better errors, Ebay is your friend. You'll find graded and raw examples of almost every error for very little money,
relatively speaking. It would be a good thing to study this thread to learn about the different and more desirable errors and the date boxes they reside in. That will take some of the guess work out your
purchasing decisions. You can purchase bank boxes but as Papi would tell you...be prepared to find a lot of nothing (picked through and re-packaged?) A few of us have gotten lucky even at this late date, but
be prepared, it is something of a gamble, we have come up empty several times. There is something to be said about the hunt however....fun! The safe bet is to learn the best lp2 boxes to go after and then
hope we don't beat you to them...lol
Good luck in your endeavors and welcome to the "believers" site. A doubled thumbs up to ya!
<< <i>Hello halfhunter, Mr. Nanney, nice to meet you on this thread. Your discovery of the 08/07 reverse eagle will always be the discovery of the century, at least of the decade, not knowing what the mint will
come up with next. Haha..... I WAS too late to the party on that one but you made many on this forum very happy with your astute observation.
In regard to your query about the 4/30 boxes, from what i have opened/recorded for that date you should find several wddr-004's inside. As Pitboss has stated you are NOT too late to the party. There are still
some great opportunities in the lp2 series and of course if you're just wanting a sample of the better errors, Ebay is your friend. You'll find graded and raw examples of almost every error for very little money,
relatively speaking. It would be a good thing to study this thread to learn about the different and more desirable errors and the date boxes they reside in. That will take some of the guess work out your
purchasing decisions. You can purchase bank boxes but as Papi would tell you...be prepared to find a lot of nothing (picked through and re-packaged?) A few of us have gotten lucky even at this late date, but
be prepared, it is something of a gamble, we have come up empty several times. There is something to be said about the hunt however....fun! The safe bet is to learn the best lp2 boxes to go after and then
hope we don't beat you to them...lol
Good luck in your endeavors and welcome to the "believers" site. A doubled thumbs up to ya! >>
Thank you sir. It's now after 3AM and I have been going thru threads for the last several hours trying to catch up. Just can't stop reading about all the fun you folks have been having with these varieties. But dang, all the varieties, cracks, clashes, and stages sure gets confusing.
I was going to open a Mint roll tonight. Got the old Dino-Lite, which I hadn't used in a couple of years, out of the closet only to find the software doesn't like Windows 8 on my newer computer. Either going to have get some tech support or set up my old computer to use it . . . . I'm an old half dollar roll hunter anyway & had much rather have the excitement of the find rather than just buying a few that someone else has had the fun finding ! ! !
Anyway hope y'all bear with me, as I may be asking a lot of dumb questions along the way.
AND . . . to you too ! ! !
HH
Need the following OBW rolls to complete my 46-64 Roosevelt roll set: 1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S. Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
Halfhunter,to answer your question about "bank rolls or mint rolls"? I have approx.20 different varieties (2009pFormative Years) and approx.300-400 all together.I'm talking some of the popular ones too.All were from "bank boxes/rolls"! All were at face value.What I'm saying is,If lucky and a tad of perseverance,you will still find some bank boxes/rolls at your local banks.Ask around,you'll find them!Good Luck.By the way,A big Congrats. on the 08/07 Eagles.What a significant find in the series. We hope you stay connected and interested in our journey in this exciting series as well? Stay a believer! -joey (our logo) (because of the "double-thumbs" in the variety)
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.
I have a nice welcome package all ready to mail out to you.
It includes some of the better varieties to get you started. >>
What a guy! >>
+1 What a Guy ! ! ! We have been PMing back & forth. Can hardly wait for my 10 rolls to arrive. Going to somehow get the Dino-Lite working today.
If anyone else is tired of opening & storing these ol'rolls, & wants to help a Formative newby out, just LMK . . . (Hint, Hint )
And (Hope it's OK for a noob to use "The Sign")
HH
Need the following OBW rolls to complete my 46-64 Roosevelt roll set: 1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S. Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
Precisely -- the best timestamps early mornin. The 001's, 002's and 006's are my fav's. 003 - 005 are the more common. Still fun to find the different varieties tho --
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<< <i>Actually this is fun getting these new people interested in these coins by getting them started. >>
PB you're becoming the Formative Daddy Warbucks, a kind gesture. It would be good to see some YN's here too -- I tried to get my 14yo youngest son interested, but while he liked helping me search for a while, he eventually got bored and stopped. I agree it would be good to have some unsearched bank rolls on hand to gift.
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Just set up some new saved searches on e-Bay . . . Got some money still sitting in PP that's now burning a hole in my pocket ! ! !
HH
Need the following OBW rolls to complete my 46-64 Roosevelt roll set: 1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S. Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
What I'm thinking he must have a lot of them and they figure to be a high point in his CPG guide that he is prominently part of, not that he will be bias in any way.
I'm just wondering Mr. Nanney why you have taken an interest in these errors? The reason I ask is because most of the "establishment" collectors (classic coins and the "divine cent errors" like the '55 dd)
have gone out of their way to poo poo them over the years. Perhaps there is a new wind blowing about these "stupid pennies," as my local B & M dealer calls them, and are starting to gain some momentum?
I am sure there are many lurkers out there, learning behind the scenes what to look for, that have not yet decided to join in the conversation. What drew you to these in particular? Are you about to
announce another, as yet, unheard of discovery? (I hope so, haha) Attention other lurkers, come in, the water's fine! Welcome!
Again, it is nice to have new blood taking up the banner for these. Obviously, Mr. Nanney, you are respected throughout the industry. Your endorsement or simple participation in these discussions will add
credence to the cause. I am not the Daddy Warbucks that Pitboss is, lol, but I will give generously to the debate and whatever educational information I have to share here on this thread.
We all support and encourage anyone and everyone to join the "believers"!
<< <i>I'm just wondering Mr. Nanney why you have taken an interest in these errors? The reason I ask is because most of the "establishment" collectors (classic coins and the "divine cent errors" like the '55 dd)
have gone out of their way to poo poo them over the years. Perhaps there is a new wind blowing about these "stupid pennies," as my local B & M dealer calls them, and are starting to gain some momentum?
I am sure there are many lurkers out there, learning behind the scenes what to look for, that have not yet decided to join in the conversation. What drew you to these in particular? Are you about to
announce another, as yet, unheard of discovery? (I hope so, haha) Attention other lurkers, come in, the water's fine! Welcome!
Again, it is nice to have new blood taking up the banner for these. Obviously, Mr. Nanney, you are respected throughout the industry. Your endorsement or simple participation in these discussions will add
credence to the cause. I am not the Daddy Warbucks that Pitboss is, lol, but I will give generously to the debate and whatever educational information I have to share here on this thread.
We all support and encourage anyone and everyone to join the "believers"! >>
LOL
Nothing like that . . . I wish ! ! !
I kinda watched & lurked these threads when the news first hit. Then after seeing so many found & so many different varieties, just dismissed them as another Minnesota quarter flash-in-da-pan anomaly & put them in the back of my mind. BUT . . . after 4 years and threads popping up here nearly every day since, figured maybe I'd better ck into them a lil more closely. These things are quite interesting & look like they will be fun to find & collect, especially the majors.
Guess ya'll know that the coins for "mint" rolls are placed in ballistic bags (like all business strike coinage) & shipped to either of 2 contractors, Ps to one & Ds to the other, that counts/wraps them in the mint printed paper. The reason I bring this up is I'm wondering if the code# on the boxes is actually a code # that comes from the coin supersacks? Just a WAG but that would explain why some code numbers are barren and some have the varieties.
Anyhoo . . .
HH
Need the following OBW rolls to complete my 46-64 Roosevelt roll set: 1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S. Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
Papi, I have spoken to him several times about them and even brought in a few of the major errors for them to view under their loupe. He totally dismissed them. He is NOT impressed nor
interested in them in the least. I won't even bother talking to him about them any more and here's why: My wife was with me once recently when I went in to pick up more 2x2's (she
doesn't collect and had never been in that store before) and the first thing the desk clerk asked me with the dealer standing behind him was "back for more stupid pennies?" they laughed at
their incredible wit but my wife wasn't too happy that they were so insulting to a fellow coin collector and customer. (we're both veteran retail people). I wanted to pull a Goodfellas on 'em
"what, I make you laugh, you think I'm funny, how do I make you laugh, I make you laugh like a clown???" I didn't of course...just got my 2x2's and left.
I'll just try to cherry pick them if I have the opportunity in the future.
<< <i>My wife was with me once recently when I went in to pick up more 2x2's (she doesn't collect and had never been in that store before) and the first thing the desk clerk asked me with the dealer standing behind him was "back for more stupid pennies?" they laughed at their incredible wit but my wife wasn't too happy that they were so insulting to a fellow coin collector and customer. (we're both veteran retail people). >>
Of course they're entitled to their opinion but.... Wow, how incredibly disrespectful and unprofessional.
You can buy coin flips elsewhere, I would not go back.
I don't see anything "stupid" about selling .01c for $10+
Guess ya'll know that the coins for "mint" rolls are placed in ballistic bags (like all business strike coinage) & shipped to either of 2 contractors, Ps to one & Ds to the other, that counts/wraps them in the mint printed paper. The reason I bring this up is I'm wondering if the code# on the boxes is actually a code # that comes from the coin supersacks? Just a WAG but that would explain why some code numbers are barren and some have the varieties.
HH >>
I've documented each of the 200+ mint boxes I've opened and found no correlation of findings with the two codes. You may be right, they could supersack numbers, but then how does that account for finding the same varieties in similarly timed boxes, but with differing codes? The timestamps are quite consistent with certain findings implying the differing codes were from similar batches. Perhaps a "batch" was simultaneously processed by two different packaging machines?
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Experience which comes by trial and a lot of error or you can read back through this and other threads. If you have a special date you have in mind, just ask us, we will tell you.
I admire the interest that each Formative Year DDR member has in these extraordinary Doubled Die cents. With everyone's help sharing information, none of us should be left behind when the CPG train leaves the station !! It is truly great to be informed as coin history is being made. Members like Pitboss and others have worked endlessly to bring these scarce error coins to our attention. Many Thanks, Mark.
There was another long thread on this subject if you'd like to peruse it. "2009 Lincoln ddr thread for Box Dates and Number Found" when these errors were first discovered.
That thread petered out mostly due to many negative comments from naysayers that grew tiresome to the "believers". This current thread has been mostly positive and driven
by people that have a common interest in these errors. Both threads will give the newby some fantastic information that has been shared unselfishly since 2009. I had to look up my
first reply on that thread (july 13, 2009 as Luckyman my original handle) Pitboss was present even earlier than that date and Papi chimed in a little bit later. I had to laugh at some of the
entries of "errors" like, what we now know as, common die cracks, gas bubbles, and red blotches that were so exciting to find and hope that they were "rarities" or someone's "new
discovery"! There were many others that contributed in the beginning stages that should be recognized for their contributions but their names escape me because they don't have as large a
presence on this thread. Just refer back to the other thread and you'll see their names and the comments that got it all started. It's hard to believe that we've been collecting these now
for nearly four years. It's been so much fun and education by having this great conversation with friends for all of this time. I personally appreciate the gift of a shared goal in keeping
these "stupid pennies" in full view of the general collecting world. Now you can feel the momentum building. Whenever the new CPG hits the bookstores it will be a crowning moment for
our efforts and patience. Imagine that it would have taken five years after the "discoveries" for them to be officially recognized by a major publication with assigned catalog numbers and
individual values attached. To all of the newbies and lurkers: welcome to the wonderful world of formative freakishness! A doubled thumbs up to all
Actually I found the other day that I had saved that thread in favorites way back when.
Some of these rolls seem to be going pretty cheap on e-bay, Like These but I'm not sure wheither or not to buy them. Don't want to spend money on a bunch of duds. Kinda kicking myself for not buying these though . . .
HH
Need the following OBW rolls to complete my 46-64 Roosevelt roll set: 1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S. Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
Do you get the feeling of waiting for the covenant new "Cherry Picker's Guide" to finally come out,is like the same feeling a kid anticipates for Christmas to finally arrive? I certainly do! Maybe,the publishers been lurking on our "true-believers" thread? Than in doing so,the'll have a whole separate article on the 2009p Formative Years,craze? That would be cool,huh? If that would happen,now what would the naysayers think? I believe they wouldn't be calling these gems,"stupid pennies" anymore! More like, "stupendous pennies". Com'on CPG,print what the people want. One could dream,anyway,right? -joey
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.
<< <i>Actually I found the other day that I had saved that thread in favorites way back when.
Some of these rolls seem to be going pretty cheap on e-bay, Like These but I'm not sure wheither or not to buy them. Don't want to spend money on a bunch of duds. Kinda kicking myself for not buying these though . . .
I was just going through a roll from a recent bank box purchase, the one that I found the 086's in, I looked at the obverse first and I think I found a doubled date. It is very similar to
the wddo-002 that you'd find opposite the skeleton finger wddr-006. I thought "really? what would I find on the reverse? a late stage die crack 006?" It wasn't... but it was
an 086....I looked at Wexler's site and there was no mention of an obverse doubled date as a diagnostic for the 086...late stages include die cracks (mine had none)...so I'm a little
confused. Shelf doubling? I will take a pic in the morning. Has anyone else found these in their searches? I've looked several times to make sure I'm not imagining or hallucinating...no,
I still see it.
Ok...we'll have a more definitive answer tomorrow. I am still enjoying the search tonight
I have been going through a box that I got last week. I thought I was pulling out WDDR 60's but could not see the doubling on the bottom of the hand so am assuming they are probably WDDR 30's but am not sure. I still have a hard time with die markers as my eyesight is not that good. The little blob below the thumb is very well formed is why I thought it was a 60 and the blob in the 30 does not look as well formed. Any ideas.
Take pics if you can Pitboss and we'll do a group diagnostic. I only found two of the 086's in my roll tonight. Both had the same obverse date anomaly. Like I said I'll try to get a pic or two
on here tomorrow and we can figure this out together. I just hope I can get a clear image large enough to demonstrate and analyze what it is.
I would say that it's a 30. Sometimes you just have to go through the die marker/stage progressions. Look for the die scratches or chips that the coin is supposed to have. I think that the
60 has a more faint "blob" than the 30 plus there are no extra fingers below the book that's a defining marker of the 60. The pic I think is good enough to decipher imho. Now, hopefully,
I can get a good pic of my doubled date 86. See you all tomorrow!
My thoughts exactly, I have trouble with the die markers with my fading eyes.
I have enough trouble seeing the extra fingers below the hand on the 60 never mind the die markers.
I too feel that the partial finger by the thumb is much clearer on the 30 than the one on the 60 so I guess that is what I will go by in distinguishing between the two.
No problem my friend....One thing for sure is that we want to identify these errors accurately. Some of them are very obvious but there are others that are quite the challenge.
Alright, maybe not the best pics but here's the obverse date that has doubling from the wddr-086 I was talking about yesterday. Looks in these pics like strike doubling, shelf doubling,
or whatever you would call a non-doubled die. Through a loupe though it looks quite different. I may actually have to send this in to John Wexler and have him analyze it. What say you?
By the way, this is how every obverse looks opposite the 086 reverse. Easy to know that when I see it (like the 006) I can be sure what I will find on the reverse.
Comments
Careful though. These are addictive. Sealed bank rolls can be fun as long as you're not paying too much over face. Good Luck!
come up with next. Haha..... I WAS too late to the party on that one but you made many on this forum very happy with your astute observation.
In regard to your query about the 4/30 boxes, from what i have opened/recorded for that date you should find several wddr-004's inside. As Pitboss has stated you are NOT too late to the party. There are still
some great opportunities in the lp2 series and of course if you're just wanting a sample of the better errors, Ebay is your friend. You'll find graded and raw examples of almost every error for very little money,
relatively speaking. It would be a good thing to study this thread to learn about the different and more desirable errors and the date boxes they reside in. That will take some of the guess work out your
purchasing decisions. You can purchase bank boxes but as Papi would tell you...be prepared to find a lot of nothing (picked through and re-packaged?) A few of us have gotten lucky even at this late date, but
be prepared, it is something of a gamble, we have come up empty several times. There is something to be said about the hunt however....fun! The safe bet is to learn the best lp2 boxes to go after and then
hope we don't beat you to them...lol
Good luck in your endeavors and welcome to the "believers" site. A doubled thumbs up to ya!
<< <i>Hello halfhunter, Mr. Nanney, nice to meet you on this thread. Your discovery of the 08/07 reverse eagle will always be the discovery of the century, at least of the decade, not knowing what the mint will
come up with next. Haha..... I WAS too late to the party on that one but you made many on this forum very happy with your astute observation.
In regard to your query about the 4/30 boxes, from what i have opened/recorded for that date you should find several wddr-004's inside. As Pitboss has stated you are NOT too late to the party. There are still
some great opportunities in the lp2 series and of course if you're just wanting a sample of the better errors, Ebay is your friend. You'll find graded and raw examples of almost every error for very little money,
relatively speaking. It would be a good thing to study this thread to learn about the different and more desirable errors and the date boxes they reside in. That will take some of the guess work out your
purchasing decisions. You can purchase bank boxes but as Papi would tell you...be prepared to find a lot of nothing (picked through and re-packaged?) A few of us have gotten lucky even at this late date, but
be prepared, it is something of a gamble, we have come up empty several times. There is something to be said about the hunt however....fun! The safe bet is to learn the best lp2 boxes to go after and then
hope we don't beat you to them...lol
Good luck in your endeavors and welcome to the "believers" site. A doubled thumbs up to ya!
Thank you sir.
It's now after 3AM and I have been going thru threads for the last several hours trying to catch up. Just can't stop reading about all the fun you folks have been having with these varieties. But dang, all the varieties, cracks, clashes, and stages sure gets confusing.
I was going to open a Mint roll tonight. Got the old Dino-Lite, which I hadn't used in a couple of years, out of the closet only to find the software doesn't like Windows 8 on my newer computer. Either going to have get some tech support or set up my old computer to use it . . .
I'm an old half dollar roll hunter anyway & had much rather have the excitement of the find rather than just buying a few that someone else has had the fun finding ! ! !
Anyway hope y'all bear with me, as I may be asking a lot of dumb questions along the way.
AND . . .
HH
1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
4/30 9883 12:43 004
4/30 9774 07:41 001, 002, 003, catfish whiskers
4/30 9883 12:17 003
4/30 9883 14:16 003, 010
Good luck
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.I have a nice welcome package all ready to mail out to you.
It includes some of the better varieties to get you started.
<< <i>Welcome John Nanney
I have a nice welcome package all ready to mail out to you.
It includes some of the better varieties to get you started. >>
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.Anybody else want to help me do this?
It will help to create interest in these coins.
<< <i>
<< <i>Welcome John Nanney
I have a nice welcome package all ready to mail out to you.
It includes some of the better varieties to get you started. >>
+1 What a Guy ! ! ! We have been PMing back & forth. Can hardly wait for my 10 rolls to arrive. Going to somehow get the Dino-Lite working today.
If anyone else is tired of opening & storing these ol'rolls, & wants to help a Formative newby out, just LMK . . . (Hint, Hint
And
HH
1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
<< <i>Half hunter, 4/30 is a hit or miss date. Here are my finds for the date:
4/30 9883 12:43 004
4/30 9774 07:41 001, 002, 003, catfish whiskers
4/30 9883 12:17 003
4/30 9883 14:16 003, 010
Good luck >>
Precisely -- the best timestamps early mornin. The 001's, 002's and 006's are my fav's. 003 - 005 are the more common. Still fun to find the different varieties tho --
<< <i>Actually this is fun getting these new people interested in these coins by getting them started.
>>
PB you're becoming the Formative Daddy Warbucks, a kind gesture. It would be good to see some YN's here too -- I tried to get my 14yo youngest son interested, but while he liked helping me search for a while, he eventually got bored and stopped. I agree it would be good to have some unsearched bank rolls on hand to gift.
Got some money still sitting in PP that's now burning a hole in my pocket ! ! !
HH
1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.<< <i>Ken Potter has a full page ad in Numismatic News that came today.
Buying or selling?
Could be some hint here of what will be in the cpg book when it comes out.
He's had those on there for 2 years now.
have gone out of their way to poo poo them over the years. Perhaps there is a new wind blowing about these "stupid pennies," as my local B & M dealer calls them, and are starting to gain some momentum?
I am sure there are many lurkers out there, learning behind the scenes what to look for, that have not yet decided to join in the conversation. What drew you to these in particular? Are you about to
announce another, as yet, unheard of discovery? (I hope so, haha) Attention other lurkers, come in, the water's fine! Welcome!
Again, it is nice to have new blood taking up the banner for these. Obviously, Mr. Nanney, you are respected throughout the industry. Your endorsement or simple participation in these discussions will add
credence to the cause. I am not the Daddy Warbucks that Pitboss is, lol, but I will give generously to the debate and whatever educational information I have to share here on this thread.
We all support and encourage anyone and everyone to join the "believers"!
<< <i>Perhaps there is a new wind blowing about these "stupid pennies," as my local B & M dealer calls them >>
Will your B&M still think they are "stupid" when you tell him the documented auction values of these rolls?
<< <i>I'm just wondering Mr. Nanney why you have taken an interest in these errors? The reason I ask is because most of the "establishment" collectors (classic coins and the "divine cent errors" like the '55 dd)
have gone out of their way to poo poo them over the years. Perhaps there is a new wind blowing about these "stupid pennies," as my local B & M dealer calls them, and are starting to gain some momentum?
I am sure there are many lurkers out there, learning behind the scenes what to look for, that have not yet decided to join in the conversation. What drew you to these in particular? Are you about to
announce another, as yet, unheard of discovery? (I hope so, haha) Attention other lurkers, come in, the water's fine! Welcome!
Again, it is nice to have new blood taking up the banner for these. Obviously, Mr. Nanney, you are respected throughout the industry. Your endorsement or simple participation in these discussions will add
credence to the cause. I am not the Daddy Warbucks that Pitboss is, lol, but I will give generously to the debate and whatever educational information I have to share here on this thread.
We all support and encourage anyone and everyone to join the "believers"!
Nothing like that . . . I wish ! ! !
I kinda watched & lurked these threads when the news first hit. Then after seeing so many found & so many different varieties, just dismissed them as another Minnesota quarter flash-in-da-pan anomaly & put them in the back of my mind. BUT . . . after 4 years and threads popping up here nearly every day since, figured maybe I'd better ck into them a lil more closely. These things are quite interesting & look like they will be fun to find & collect, especially the majors.
Guess ya'll know that the coins for "mint" rolls are placed in ballistic bags (like all business strike coinage) & shipped to either of 2 contractors, Ps to one & Ds to the other, that counts/wraps them in the mint printed paper. The reason I bring this up is I'm wondering if the code# on the boxes is actually a code # that comes from the coin supersacks? Just a WAG but that would explain why some code numbers are barren and some have the varieties.
Anyhoo . . .
HH
1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
interested in them in the least. I won't even bother talking to him about them any more and here's why: My wife was with me once recently when I went in to pick up more 2x2's (she
doesn't collect and had never been in that store before) and the first thing the desk clerk asked me with the dealer standing behind him was "back for more stupid pennies?" they laughed at
their incredible wit but my wife wasn't too happy that they were so insulting to a fellow coin collector and customer. (we're both veteran retail people). I wanted to pull a Goodfellas on 'em
"what, I make you laugh, you think I'm funny, how do I make you laugh, I make you laugh like a clown???" I didn't of course...just got my 2x2's and left.
I'll just try to cherry pick them if I have the opportunity in the future.
I hope they want to buy some in a couple of years and we are stupid enough to take their stupid money.
<< <i>My wife was with me once recently when I went in to pick up more 2x2's (she doesn't collect and had never been in that store before) and the first thing the desk clerk asked me with the dealer standing behind him was "back for more stupid pennies?" they laughed at their incredible wit but my wife wasn't too happy that they were so insulting to a fellow coin collector and customer. (we're both veteran retail people). >>
Of course they're entitled to their opinion but.... Wow, how incredibly disrespectful and unprofessional.
You can buy coin flips elsewhere, I would not go back.
I don't see anything "stupid" about selling .01c for $10+
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Guess ya'll know that the coins for "mint" rolls are placed in ballistic bags (like all business strike coinage) & shipped to either of 2 contractors, Ps to one & Ds to the other, that counts/wraps them in the mint printed paper. The reason I bring this up is I'm wondering if the code# on the boxes is actually a code # that comes from the coin supersacks? Just a WAG but that would explain why some code numbers are barren and some have the varieties.
HH >>
I've documented each of the 200+ mint boxes I've opened and found no correlation of findings with the two codes. You may be right, they could supersack numbers, but then how does that account for finding the same varieties in similarly timed boxes, but with differing codes? The timestamps are quite consistent with certain findings implying the differing codes were from similar batches. Perhaps a "batch" was simultaneously processed by two different packaging machines?
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That thread petered out mostly due to many negative comments from naysayers that grew tiresome to the "believers". This current thread has been mostly positive and driven
by people that have a common interest in these errors. Both threads will give the newby some fantastic information that has been shared unselfishly since 2009. I had to look up my
first reply on that thread (july 13, 2009 as Luckyman my original handle) Pitboss was present even earlier than that date and Papi chimed in a little bit later. I had to laugh at some of the
entries of "errors" like, what we now know as, common die cracks, gas bubbles, and red blotches that were so exciting to find and hope that they were "rarities" or someone's "new
discovery"! There were many others that contributed in the beginning stages that should be recognized for their contributions but their names escape me because they don't have as large a
presence on this thread. Just refer back to the other thread and you'll see their names and the comments that got it all started. It's hard to believe that we've been collecting these now
for nearly four years. It's been so much fun and education by having this great conversation with friends for all of this time. I personally appreciate the gift of a shared goal in keeping
these "stupid pennies" in full view of the general collecting world. Now you can feel the momentum building. Whenever the new CPG hits the bookstores it will be a crowning moment for
our efforts and patience. Imagine that it would have taken five years after the "discoveries" for them to be officially recognized by a major publication with assigned catalog numbers and
individual values attached. To all of the newbies and lurkers: welcome to the wonderful world of formative freakishness! A doubled thumbs up to all
What special finds will tomorrow bring?
Some of these rolls seem to be going pretty cheap on e-bay, Like These but I'm not sure wheither or not to buy them. Don't want to spend money on a bunch of duds. Kinda kicking myself for not buying these though . . .
HH
1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.<< <i>Actually I found the other day that I had saved that thread in favorites way back when.
Some of these rolls seem to be going pretty cheap on e-bay, Like These but I'm not sure wheither or not to buy them. Don't want to spend money on a bunch of duds. Kinda kicking myself for not buying these though . . .
HH >>
That date is no good! Just also runs in them!
the wddo-002 that you'd find opposite the skeleton finger wddr-006. I thought "really? what would I find on the reverse? a late stage die crack 006?" It wasn't...
an 086....I looked at Wexler's site and there was no mention of an obverse doubled date as a diagnostic for the 086...late stages include die cracks (mine had none)...so I'm a little
confused. Shelf doubling? I will take a pic in the morning. Has anyone else found these in their searches? I've looked several times to make sure I'm not imagining or hallucinating...no,
I still see it.
Ok...we'll have a more definitive answer tomorrow. I am still enjoying the search tonight
This is the best picture I could get.
on here tomorrow and we can figure this out together. I just hope I can get a clear image large enough to demonstrate and analyze what it is.
60 has a more faint "blob" than the 30 plus there are no extra fingers below the book that's a defining marker of the 60. The pic I think is good enough to decipher imho. Now, hopefully,
I can get a good pic of my doubled date 86. See you all tomorrow!
I have enough trouble seeing the extra fingers below the hand on the 60 never mind the die markers.
I too feel that the partial finger by the thumb is much clearer on the 30 than the one on the 60 so I guess that is what I will go by in distinguishing between the two.
Thank you for your helpful observations,
You all have a great day...I'm off to work!
them. Some will be listed as raw rolls, some with 030 on the ends and even a full roll of 030's. Time to move these and get on with the next
batch of boxes coming by the end of the week so any of you that want some 030's help yourself as they are in every roll.
or whatever you would call a non-doubled die. Through a loupe though it looks quite different. I may actually have to send this in to John Wexler and have him analyze it. What say you?
By the way, this is how every obverse looks opposite the 086 reverse. Easy to know that when I see it (like the 006) I can be sure what I will find on the reverse.
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.By the way, I'm seeing more and more circulated examples for sale on Ebay.
They're already cherry pickin'
I did not notice any that were circulated.
In my opinion that is great news.
I did not realize they had released any of these.