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  • OnedollarnohollarOnedollarnohollar Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭✭
    NGC

    Can you believe that NGC would designate a die crack sample (bootstrap) on their label but not the double dies???? C'mon!!!! imageimage
  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 16,239 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>discovery

    Not my listing but I thought I'd share if you haven't seen it. imageimage >>

    Nice discovery! Do you guy's know if this seller in on the forum,if not,we need him to promote as well. I think that specific DD would even get our host's attention.Yes,there is a very,very slim chance that he will even get a third,of what he's asking.Good luck for him,though. imageimage

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  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 16,239 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Concerning the NGC slab,at least it's a start? Some recognition is better than no recognition,right? imageimage

    "Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!

    --- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭


    << <i>NGC

    Can you believe that NGC would designate a die crack sample (bootstrap) on their label but not the double dies???? C'mon!!!! imageimage >>




    I wrote to NGC and asked them same question but have not heard back from them yet.
  • OnedollarnohollarOnedollarnohollar Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭✭
    Joey, Wexler has the 2009-S proof wddr-006, that is listed for 10k on the bay, valued at $100 in pf65. It will be interesting to see where these actually fall when the CPG comes out. I'm still waiting on Whitman

    publishing to respond to my inquiry about its publication date.

    I'm still recovering from seeing Pitboss' latest find......lol imageimage
  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 16,239 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What is exactly pitboss find? Something new or a wddr -001?imageimage

    "Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!

    --- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.
  • OnedollarnohollarOnedollarnohollar Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭✭
    He purchased five boxes dated 4/23 right in the sweet time slot for about $10 a box. This is a test for everyone....what do you think he'll find inside those boxes? One guess per person please..... Pitboss cannot

    guess...he already knows, as do I.....
  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 16,239 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is it the " bootstrap" mentioned earlier? Pretty cool,because you said,NGC just allowed in the family! Whatever you find/found pitboss,a huge imageimage to ya buddy. imageimage

    "Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!

    --- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.
  • 2009UHR2009UHR Posts: 17 ✭✭
    Never had a box from after 1pm

    My hopeful guess is for 6 to 8 of something spooky, that some may have in their closets, and 4 to 6 DDR007's. imageimage
  • OnedollarnohollarOnedollarnohollar Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭✭
    Haha...keep guessing! You may have to read earlier posts on this thread or go to the other "formative errors found" thread (another long one) to find out. Pitboss is probably itching to divulge the answer too!

    I will give only one hint....this error is considered the best of the best by most. Ok, you're on your own....lol.....good luck imageimage

    edited to add....Oh, wait...I just re-read 2009uhr's response....."something spooky that might be in your closets" is right on! a doubled thumbs up to you sir! imageimage
  • 1tommy1tommy Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>LOOK WHAT I JUST PICKED UP!!!!!!!!!!

    listing #281055230966

    How about that!!!!!!!!!!!!

    That calls for a double double thumbs up.

    imageimageimageimage >>

    Just stopping by to say congrats on a great purchase and look forward to hearing what you find. I have 3 boxes and decided Like the hockey puck faze of selling sealed boxes thats where my last 3 will go, of course after the guide comes out. imageimage
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  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    I am afraid you will not find out as I have decided I have enough of these and will sell unopened when the time is right.imageimage
  • hammer1hammer1 Posts: 3,874 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I am afraid you will not find out as I have decided I have enough of these and will sell unopened when the time is right.imageimage >>



    The time is right. I'll give you $55 plus pay for your four item combination plate, and two house margarita's at Garduno's.
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    Sorry, I don't eat Mexican food and I don't drink. I guess you are s.o.l.! (Ha-Ha)

    Those rolls are like gold.
  • hammer1hammer1 Posts: 3,874 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Sorry, I don't eat Mexican food and I don't drink. I guess you are s.o.l.! (Ha-Ha) >>



    You live in New Mexico (home of the best Mexican food in the US) and don't eat it? Sort of like owning a stripper bar, and remaining celibate.
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    I'm a transplant from Boston area 20 years ago . Miss the sea food.
  • OnedollarnohollarOnedollarnohollar Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭✭
    Sort of like owning a stripper bar, and remaining celibate.

    Hilarious! Pitboss is flipping a skeleton finger at you right now...lol

    He's right though, those rolls are like gold. imageimage
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
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  • NotSureNotSure Posts: 2,978 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm a transplant from Boston area 20 years ago . Miss the sea food. >>



    Wanna work out a lobsters for coins deal??? lol I mean New England lobsters, with big claws, not the west coast kind without claws...the kind you remember, Pitboss!!!
    I'll come up with something.
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    Naw, I can get all the seafood I want from woods fish market in Plymouth. They will ship it to me next day air. Cant say the same for unopened boxes of 4/23. They are almost like hens teeth to come up with.
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Naw, I can get all the seafood I want from woods fish market in Plymouth. They will ship it to me next day air. Cant say the same for unopened boxes of 4/23. They are almost like hens teeth to come up with. >>

    imageimage
  • AkbeezAkbeez Posts: 2,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Congrat's PB! Apparently, you have been vigilant in your quest.

    All I can say is it is borderline for this ossified species in terms of the timestamp. I have some blanks found a few minutes later...but would'a banged these too at that price!
    Refs: MCM,Fivecents,Julio,Robman,Endzone,Coiny,Agentjim007,Musky1011,holeinone1972,Tdec1000,Type2,bumanchu, Metalsman,Wondercoin,Pitboss,Tomohawk,carew4me,segoja,thebigeng,jlc_coin,mbogoman,sportsmod,dragon,tychojoe,Schmitz7,claychaser, Bullsitter, robeck, Nickpatton, jwitten, and many OTHERS
  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 16,239 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Never had a box from after 1pm

    My hopeful guess is for 6 to 8 of something spooky, that some may have in their closets, and 4 to 6 DDR007's. imageimage >>

    2009UHR,I like your imageimagewhen you signed off! We hope you joined us " true believers" in the 2009 Formative Years varieties?Keep hunting and posting,- joey imageimage

    "Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!

    --- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.
  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 16,239 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I'm a transplant from Boston area 20 years ago . Miss the sea food. >>



    Wanna work out a lobsters for coins deal??? lol I mean New England lobsters, with big claws, not the west coast kind without claws...the kind you remember, Pitboss!!! >>

    You's guy's can keep your lobsters,I'll be happy with my pizza and great steaks from Chi-town!M-m-m-m-m.imageimageimage

    "Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!

    --- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.
  • bsshog40bsshog40 Posts: 3,907 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well I opened one box today. I only went thru the P mint. Are there any of these errors in the D mint rolls? My finding for one roll.
    3ea. - WDDR-002
    1ea. - WDDR-095
  • OnedollarnohollarOnedollarnohollar Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭✭
    bsshg40...the "P" mint rolls are the ones to check for errors. Congrats on finding some 002's, the famous doubled thumbs imageimage which is now the official logo for the "believers" on this

    thread. I am going to refer you to John Wexler's site that lists all of the 2009p errors. www.doubleddie.com has the complete listings of known errors. It will show the errors also for the proof mint sets and

    the special mint sets with the copper cents. thanks for sharing your findings and good luck in your future hunt for the grail....imageimage



    wexler click this link ...
  • OnedollarnohollarOnedollarnohollar Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭✭
    The Wexler site is a great source for identifying the various errors in the formative series. Also it's a good read for understanding what constitutes a doubled die vs. hub doubling, finding errors in other dates, etc.

    Now, back to the hunt!

    imageimage
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    Got a couple of bank boxes in today.

    Opened 20 rolls so far and found some WDDR 014, 043,046, 054,and 058.

    One roll with 043 on the end.

    I only look at the hand not the whole coin.
  • OnedollarnohollarOnedollarnohollar Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭✭
    Pitboss....you've lapped the field I think by now! If we did a total count by error I think only perhaps Papi or Dengarsen could challenge your totals. I thought I was doing competitively well for awhile but my hat is

    off to you. Someday I hope to meet the "believers" but until then it sure is fun for me to be able to share our common goals and discoveries. It's because of Pitboss and Papi (where has he been?) especially but all

    that have gotten into this particular niche and shared their thoughts, findings, enthusiasm, and camaraderie that I have been so inspired to collect these. Keep the faith believers!

    imageimage
  • 2009UHR2009UHR Posts: 17 ✭✭
    <We hope you join us " true believers"> imageimage
  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 16,239 ✭✭✭✭✭
    2009UHR,we were waiting for your response!imageimageaboard,we need your enthusiasm. - joey imageimage

    "Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!

    --- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.
  • OnedollarnohollarOnedollarnohollar Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭✭
    Are any of you "believers" going to be at the Long Beach show? I'm tentatively planning on Thursday morning myself. I'd love to meet some of you. I will be bringing a couple of raw examples and bring them

    to the PCGS table for a quick evaluation of grade (even though they won't slab them) . David Hall is going to do free evaluations! Pass the word, maybe we could have our first "formative club" meeting over some

    coffee and doughnuts. Let me know so I can finalize my plans for that day! imageimage
  • PapiPapi Posts: 1,189 ✭✭


    << <i>Got a couple of bank boxes in today.

    Opened 20 rolls so far and found some WDDR 014, 043,046, 054,and 058.

    One roll with 043 on the end.

    I only look at the hand not the whole coin. >>




    I've never heard of some of these errors being in the same box, or in bank boxes

    You seem to have uncanny luck; interesting
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    Neither had I until I got these 2 bank boxes. Not only that but there were about 30 or 35 rolls with no errors in them at all. This was the way it was through both boxes. Most likely someone had opened the box scanned all the rolls and took out the rolls with the errors on the end and used the rest of that box to mix in with boxes that contained no errors. One box had 8 different errors and the other had only 4 as. Somebody did something to get these mixed up. What I usually find is errors tend to stay the same throughout a box.

    Any other ideas what could have happened?
  • OnedollarnohollarOnedollarnohollar Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭✭
    Hate to repeat myself ttt for the "evening crowd" .... see previous post

    Are any of the "believers" going to the Long Beach show? thumbs up if aye! imageimage

    By the way....Hey Papi glad to see you're still searching. Pitboss can do no wrong these days...everything is coming up golden!
  • AkbeezAkbeez Posts: 2,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd love to come to Long Beach, but a bit of a ways for a small timer from Alaska. One of these days...maybe when the ddr's take off i can afford...
    Refs: MCM,Fivecents,Julio,Robman,Endzone,Coiny,Agentjim007,Musky1011,holeinone1972,Tdec1000,Type2,bumanchu, Metalsman,Wondercoin,Pitboss,Tomohawk,carew4me,segoja,thebigeng,jlc_coin,mbogoman,sportsmod,dragon,tychojoe,Schmitz7,claychaser, Bullsitter, robeck, Nickpatton, jwitten, and many OTHERS
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    Long Beach is a long way from Albuquerque so I will not be attending.
    I don't know how golden I am but I sure have spent plenty of gold buying these boxes. I don't even want to know!

    Whats going on with all the pictures gone of the doubledies!
    imageimage
  • OnedollarnohollarOnedollarnohollar Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭✭
    What pics are you referring to Pitboss. On page 17 of this thread I see Papi's best error pics still. Of course if you want the complete error list check here....d.d.'s

    Looks like nobody else in our group will be in Long Beach but I'll try to represent by showing David Hall a few samples when he is doing free grading at the PCGS table. I'm sure he'll be bored just looking at

    "old" coins, heh, so he'll see these shiny new pennies (I'll call them cents when I speak to him). He'll probably declare that from that day forward PCGS MUST begin to designate the errors on their slabs. Keep

    looking and enjoying my fellow "believers"....we'll succeed someday! imageimage
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    Wexlers coin and die varieties, All the pictures are gone!
  • OnedollarnohollarOnedollarnohollar Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭✭
    If you click on the link I provided on my last post the pics are showing on Wexler's site...at least on my computer....just checked...seems ok.... try again. imageimage
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

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    << <i>I found 7 Best Of Varieties, WDDR-021 stages A and B. >>



    IMO, that list needs to be whittled down to about 17 varieties, i.e. "The Best of The Best"

    To me, 021 doesn't qualify. >>




    I agree with that, I wonder how he figures them out. Is it the degree meaning how far off the die had to have been, of doubling or is it visual? >>



    Papi's TOP 12

    WDDR-001 imageWDDR-002 image
    WDDR-006 imageWDDR-014 image
    WDDR-016 imageWDDR-025 image
    WDDR-043 imageWDDR-050 image
    WDDR-051 imageWDDR-052image
    WDDR-062 imageWDDR-095image


    ***********************************************TOP 11 RUNNER'S UP
    ***********************************************TOP 11 RUNNER'S UP


    WDDR-007 imageWDDR-028 image
    WDDR-032 imageWDDR-033image
    WDDR-034 imageWDDR-049 image
    WDDR-057 imageWDDR-060 image
    WDDR-076imageWDDR-086 image
    WDDR-096 image
    >>




    As I posted. I've found major varieties WDDR-001, WDDR-002, WDDR-006 in bank rolls in addition to LP2 boxes. >>





    Are these the ones you are talking about.
    I see these ok but on Wexlers site the description is there but the pictures are gone.
  • AkbeezAkbeez Posts: 2,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just looked and it seems Wexler's site is working fine:

    http://doubleddie.com/60701.html

    Not sure what you are seeing, but looks good from my end.
    Refs: MCM,Fivecents,Julio,Robman,Endzone,Coiny,Agentjim007,Musky1011,holeinone1972,Tdec1000,Type2,bumanchu, Metalsman,Wondercoin,Pitboss,Tomohawk,carew4me,segoja,thebigeng,jlc_coin,mbogoman,sportsmod,dragon,tychojoe,Schmitz7,claychaser, Bullsitter, robeck, Nickpatton, jwitten, and many OTHERS
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    Mine is working fine now. I don't know what happened.imageimage
  • OnedollarnohollarOnedollarnohollar Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭✭
    Good, glad you got Wexler's site working again. Can't imagine what happened. Also, thanks for re-posting Papi's picks to this page. Kind of refreshing to look at these larger images and remind ourselves

    what the Holy Grail of formative errors look like. imageimage
  • PapiPapi Posts: 1,189 ✭✭


    << <i>Good, glad you got Wexler's site working again. Can't imagine what happened. Also, thanks for re-posting Papi's picks to this page. Kind of refreshing to look at these larger images and remind ourselves

    what the Holy Grail of formative errors look like. imageimage >>



    Not being able to see the pictures is part of the process of updating his web site. You'll notice he updated yesterday.
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    That explains why I could not see the pictures yesterday.
  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 16,239 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hi guy's,I'm from Chicago,kinda too long away from home to attend the Long Beach show.Wish I can go and meet my fellow Believers.I'm anticipating the show in Illinois,in Shaumburg.This show is in April (long time to wait) Maybe,we will meet there?Until then,keep on pushing,hunting,posting and discovering "new" varieties in the Formative Years! imageimage

    "Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!

    --- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.
  • CasmanCasman Posts: 3,935 ✭✭
    Well, it's a snow day here in Mich and my kids got the day off.

    Decided to play with the pennies a bit, put a bunch of 1's and 2's in flips. Found quite a few other odds and ends. I also found one of my old pics. One of only 2 coins that I ever lost money on. Hard to figure as IIRC a 67 initially went for $2,700 or so. I then snagged a 69 a few days later for at most $500 on bids, never thought I'd win the coin. Soon after, I tried a reflip, I think went for maybe $460. Let me puzzled and the only thing I could come up with was the plastic was to blame.

    So here's that one:

    image


    and here's another shot of a small die crack..I've found a bunch of these and since I haven't been following along I'll assume it's nothing new...

    image

  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    Yes I remember that one.

    I had 2 of them and still have one. Great to see you still hanging on these coins.

    imageimage

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