Why on earth would somebody give ANY kind of premium for these cards is beyond me. Why would I ever care if some mediocer modern day player's name was on the label? In fact I don't think I would want it on there at all. Im sure Mr. Young is a very nice guy, many of the cards seem to be weak for the grades as many have noted. I see no reason why these cards carry any kind of premium over any other cards with the same grade. Its just plain nonsense.
Matt, how does the Yount rookie PSA 10 in this auction compare to your PSA 9?
On the 10, I see edge issues on the right side, about face level there appears to be a chip and then some minor chipping on the lower right. The bottom edge has a fair amount of chipping including a pretty good chunk under the R in Robin. The left edge has a rough cut. On top of those issues, there's a pretty decent tilt. There's also PD to the right of the S in Brewers at the top and blue fisheyes to the left of the R in his signature and in the left side of the cross of the T in his signature.
I am looking at a few, and was wondering how many would reslab to remove the "Dimitri Young Collection" from the flip? After the auction, there will be no "collection" so WTH!
WOW! Matt, I would crack and resubmit and say this is for the "MBMILLER Collection"! Your card has only the left background PD, and is much more centered than the DY PSA10. His must have been a 4SC 10 to begin with! Oops, I didn't say that did I?
<< <i>Why on earth would somebody give ANY kind of premium for these cards is beyond me. Why would I ever care if some mediocer modern day player's name was on the label? In fact I don't think I would want it on there at all. Im sure Mr. Young is a very nice guy, many of the cards seem to be weak for the grades as many have noted. I see no reason why these cards carry any kind of premium over any other cards with the same grade. Its just plain nonsense.
John >>
+1 Again John. I wouldn't want his name on the slab, first thing I would do would have it re-slabbed just to get his name off it. But I don't have to worry about it...way out of my league.
<< <i>There's a ton of cheap modern RC's from his collection that are affordable for pretty much everyone, if you can't buy the Clemente a modern HOF RC tagged from the same collection for $25 would be a cool pick up. >>
Vlad, yeah, I noticed that a lot of 80s and 90s RC's were added in the last week or so that weren't there when the auction opened. Those are more what I collect and know what prices go for. Really curious to see how high they go.
I just don't understand how the card graded a Psa 10.
If you look at the overall L/R AND T/B centering and THREE pink print marks on the red backround I definitely think it should have never graded over a Psa 8.
I took me SEVEN years to find what I thought was truly high-end sample with perfect centering. My card cost just over $2000.00 and is a blazer compared to the Psa 10 offered.
How many times have we all heard "DON'T BUY THE HOLDER -- BUY THE CARD!!!!"
<< <i>The Al Kaline Psa 10 card is now over $21,000.
I just don't understand how the card graded a Psa 10.
If you look at the overall L/R AND T/B centering and THREE pink print marks on the red backround I definitely think it should have never graded over a Psa 8.
I took me SEVEN years to find what I thought was truly high-end sample with perfect centering. My card cost just over $2000.00 and is a blazer compared to the Psa 10 offered. >>
Can we possibly get a scan of that? I'd love to see it.
<< <i>The Al Kaline Psa 10 card is now over $21,000.
I just don't understand how the card graded a Psa 10.
If you look at the overall L/R AND T/B centering and THREE pink print marks on the red backround I definitely think it should have never graded over a Psa 8.
I took me SEVEN years to find what I thought was truly high-end sample with perfect centering. My card cost just over $2000.00 and is a blazer compared to the Psa 10 offered.
How many times have we all heard "DON'T BUY THE HOLDER -- BUY THE CARD!!!!"
Maybe I'm missing something........... >>
"Why on earth would somebody give ANY kind of premium for these cards is beyond me. Why would I ever care if some mediocer modern day player's name was on the label? In fact I don't think I would want it on there at all. Im sure Mr. Young is a very nice guy, many of the cards seem to be weak for the grades as many have noted. I see no reason why these cards carry any kind of premium over any other cards with the same grade. Its just plain nonsense."
I would assume he bought all of these already graded and either way, I'm happy with a PSA 9. If I hit a PSA 10 in almost anything, it's going to auction.
Most of us on the boards are in well above our heads in PSA craziness, and these vintage psa 10 cards represent the apex of our collective submission to PSA and its sometimes head scratching grades. I'm glad for the people who have cards that compare favorably to Dimitri Young's PSA 10 cards, but in the end, each one of us could go up and down our collections and find many better 8's than some of our 9's, or better 4's than our 5's, and so on.
As much as we know the adage of buy the card, not the holder, but when you get past PSA 8's before 1970, you probably don't need to worry too much about that frugal adage.
It is what it is, so just relax and enjoy the show.
Is it me or does the 1995 Bowmans Best A. Jones refractor have a "refractor line". Also no Kenny Lofton rookies in the collection, I find that kinda odd.
<< <i>Is it me or does the 1995 Bowmans Best A. Jones refractor have a "refractor line". Also no Kenny Lofton rookies in the collection, I find that kinda odd. >>
PSA doesn't grade against refractor lines, BGS does as a surface defect. That's still a very nice card and a very common line because of Jones placement on the original cut sheets. The trick is to find one where the two refractor sheet colors match up well so it's almost unnoticeable. Again, it's still a very nice card...
The Dmitri Young 1977 Gem Mint 10 Mark Fidrych is at $429.
Question: Is this price tag due to the difficulty of finding a gem mint Fidrych rookie (there are apparently three of them) or due to Fidrych's popularity among collectors?
I'm a Fidrych fan/collector, but for years, this card was pointed to as a cautionary tale of the rookie card craze.
Ten years from now, will a card's special status as a former part of the "Dmitri Young Collection" still somehow elevate it among collectors? Is there another batrch of cards out there with a similar provenance? (I'm not talking about the Gretzky Wagner, just a similar batch of cards of noteworthy background as well as condition.)
<< <i>The Dmitri Young 1977 Gem Mint 10 Mark Fidrych is at $429.
Question: Is this price tag due to the difficulty of finding a gem mint Fidrych rookie (there are apparently three of them) or due to Fidrych's popularity among collectors?
I'm a Fidrych fan/collector, but for years, this card was pointed to as a cautionary tale of the rookie card craze.
Ten years from now, will a card's special status as a former part of the "Dmitri Young Collection" still somehow elevate it among collectors? Is there another batrch of cards out there with a similar provenance? (I'm not talking about the Gretzky Wagner, just a similar batch of cards of noteworthy background as well as condition.) >>
There was a Fidrych last year that sold for around 1500 IIRC. So anywhere beneath 1000 is a decent price on that card
I was going to be in heavy on the Arod until I saw the back of the card. Doesn't look better than 8-9 to me. The L/R centering is way off, left edge is rough (which I'm halfway ok with), and I don't know what's going on with the top right corner... I've submitted much better and have been given 9s.
<< <i>The Dmitri Young 1977 Gem Mint 10 Mark Fidrych is at $429.
Question: Is this price tag due to the difficulty of finding a gem mint Fidrych rookie (there are apparently three of them) or due to Fidrych's popularity among collectors?
I'm a Fidrych fan/collector, but for years, this card was pointed to as a cautionary tale of the rookie card craze.
Ten years from now, will a card's special status as a former part of the "Dmitri Young Collection" still somehow elevate it among collectors? Is there another batrch of cards out there with a similar provenance? (I'm not talking about the Gretzky Wagner, just a similar batch of cards of noteworthy background as well as condition.) >>
There was a Fidrych last year that sold for around 1500 IIRC. So anywhere beneath 1000 is a decent price on that card >>
But is that pricetag due to scarcity of the card in gem mint or due to the popularity of the card?
<< <i> But is that pricetag due to scarcity of the card in gem mint or due to the popularity of the card? >>
Both. The card is low population in GEM condition, and he was a very popular player.
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<< <i> But is that pricetag due to scarcity of the card in gem mint or due to the popularity of the card? >>
Both. The card is low population in GEM condition, and he was a very popular player. >>
Interesting...I have a 1977 Topps Vault Fidrych proof card that I bought for a price so reasonable I was, frankly, shocked. Still shocked to actually own it.
The 1976 Topps Eckersley psa10 (pop 1/3) is up to $4,602. Meanwhile, its rarer cousin, the 1976 OPC Eckersley (pop 1/2) is only bid up to $733. Odd....
I don't find it odd, and I don't think you can look at just the absolute number of a card to determine rarity.
The 76 Eckersely OPC RC has a pop of 2 out of 68 submissions or 2.9% of the population The 76 Eckersely Topps RC has a pop of 3 out of 1540 submissions or 0.2% of the population
To me, the 76 Topps is much rarer than the OPC as it has a much lower % of the submitted population in a Gem Mint.
<< <i>I don't find it odd, and I don't think you can look at just the absolute number of a card to determine rarity.
The 76 Eckersely OPC RC has a pop of 2 out of 68 submissions or 2.9% of the population The 76 Eckersely Topps RC has a pop of 3 out of 1540 submissions or 0.2% of the population
To me, the 76 Topps is much rarer than the OPC as it has a much lower % of the submitted population in a Gem Mint. >>
Perfectly said
Edit: some huge prices already. The Rose is at 100k. Dmitri is going to have Monster profits!
<< <i>I don't find it odd, and I don't think you can look at just the absolute number of a card to determine rarity.
The 76 Eckersely OPC RC has a pop of 2 out of 68 submissions or 2.9% of the population The 76 Eckersely Topps RC has a pop of 3 out of 1540 submissions or 0.2% of the population
To me, the 76 Topps is much rarer than the OPC as it has a much lower % of the submitted population in a Gem Mint. >>
I think the price of most low pop psa 10 cards are dictated by the # of people who need them for their registry sets. If there are a handful of people who need a card, a pop 2 is usually going to bring more $ than a pop 3. I understand your point above, but most buyers aren't doing that math when a pop 2 comes to market. They bid it up because they need it and because its in front of them. We all know how insane some registry collectors are about finishing their sets in all 10. MOST won't run the risk of letting one of their competitors have the only psa10 currently for sale because they've calculated the odds that another version will come to market later, based on the # of submissions so far. They'll just buy it when it becomes available. I agree with your logic, but I just don't see many market participants living by that logic. If that is truly what is going on with the Eck cards, thats a form of discipline that I rarely see. I tend to agree more with the other point raised....that more registry participants NEED the Topps because of the various sets that it falls into.
I bid strong on about 10 different cards, and I just got outbid on the last one. No more soup for me.
You know you're up against deep pockets when your max is 7K above current bid and with ONE bid alone, you are outbid (i.e. the person just picked a really high number and didn't bother with the increments).
What I find really crazy is the 10% bid increment rule. The Clemente rookie is currently at 223,000 so the next bid has to be for 245,000 roughly. That's just nuts. When some of these cards are this high in price those increments are quite substantial. Not to mention the 20 % bidders fee tacked on.
<< <i>What I find really crazy is the 10% bid increment rule. The Clemente rookie is currently at 223,000 so the next bid has to be for 245,000 roughly. That's just nuts. . >>
Just placed some bids and winning 5 of them, however, tomorrow should be madness and I don't anticipate winning any of them as auction fever will hit. Should be fun to watch
What do you guys think of the Dmitri Young name on it? Do you think down the road that will command a higher premium? The prices are just so crazy....I thought we were in a recession?!?
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<< <i>I'm contemplating one more bid on the Musial, but I honestly, I don't think that will get it done, so not sure if I should even bother. >>
It can't hurt to try. And how pissed would you be if you didn't bid again and it doesn't go up any more? Good luck, Matt! I would love to have that card more than any other one being sold (other than the Campy).
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Why would I ever care if some mediocer modern day player's name was on the label?
In fact I don't think I would want it on there at all. Im sure Mr. Young is a very nice guy, many of the
cards seem to be weak for the grades as many have noted. I see no reason why these cards carry any kind of premium over any other
cards with the same grade. Its just plain nonsense.
John
On the 10, I see edge issues on the right side, about face level there appears to be a chip and then some minor chipping on the lower right. The bottom edge has a fair amount of chipping including a pretty good chunk under the R in Robin. The left edge has a rough cut. On top of those issues, there's a pretty decent tilt. There's also PD to the right of the S in Brewers at the top and blue fisheyes to the left of the R in his signature and in the left side of the cross of the T in his signature.
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<< <i>Matt, how does the Yount rookie PSA 10 in this auction compare to your PSA 9? >>
Here is my PSA 9 Craig.
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<< <i>Why on earth would somebody give ANY kind of premium for these cards is beyond me.
Why would I ever care if some mediocer modern day player's name was on the label?
In fact I don't think I would want it on there at all. Im sure Mr. Young is a very nice guy, many of the
cards seem to be weak for the grades as many have noted. I see no reason why these cards carry any kind of premium over any other
cards with the same grade. Its just plain nonsense.
John >>
+1 Again John. I wouldn't want his name on the slab, first thing I would do would have it re-slabbed just to get his name off it. But I don't have to worry about it...way out of my league.
<< <i>There's a ton of cheap modern RC's from his collection that are affordable for pretty much everyone, if you can't buy the Clemente a modern HOF RC tagged from the same collection for $25 would be a cool pick up. >>
Vlad, yeah, I noticed that a lot of 80s and 90s RC's were added in the last week or so that weren't there when the auction opened. Those are more what I collect and know what prices go for. Really curious to see how high they go.
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I just don't understand how the card graded a Psa 10.
If you look at the overall L/R AND T/B centering and THREE pink print marks on the red backround I definitely think it should have never graded over a Psa 8.
I took me SEVEN years to find what I thought was truly high-end sample with perfect centering. My card cost just over $2000.00 and is a blazer compared to the Psa 10 offered.
How many times have we all heard "DON'T BUY THE HOLDER -- BUY THE CARD!!!!"
Maybe I'm missing something...........
There probably will never be a way to "prove" certain people get certain grades even though it is seen often.
<< <i>The Al Kaline Psa 10 card is now over $21,000.
I just don't understand how the card graded a Psa 10.
If you look at the overall L/R AND T/B centering and THREE pink print marks on the red backround I definitely think it should have never graded over a Psa 8.
I took me SEVEN years to find what I thought was truly high-end sample with perfect centering. My card cost just over $2000.00 and is a blazer compared to the Psa 10 offered. >>
Can we possibly get a scan of that? I'd love to see it.
<< <i>The Al Kaline Psa 10 card is now over $21,000.
I just don't understand how the card graded a Psa 10.
If you look at the overall L/R AND T/B centering and THREE pink print marks on the red backround I definitely think it should have never graded over a Psa 8.
I took me SEVEN years to find what I thought was truly high-end sample with perfect centering. My card cost just over $2000.00 and is a blazer compared to the Psa 10 offered.
How many times have we all heard "DON'T BUY THE HOLDER -- BUY THE CARD!!!!"
Maybe I'm missing something...........
"Why on earth would somebody give ANY kind of premium for these cards is beyond me.
Why would I ever care if some mediocer modern day player's name was on the label?
In fact I don't think I would want it on there at all. Im sure Mr. Young is a very nice guy, many of the
cards seem to be weak for the grades as many have noted. I see no reason why these cards carry any kind of premium over any other
cards with the same grade. Its just plain nonsense."
John
LOL Nuff said. Fools Gold!
Namely, eyeing the '71 Garvey, '78 Molitor, and '79 Ozzie
What's everyone's opinion on the 1979 Topps Ozzie? PSA 10 worthy?
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Most of us on the boards are in well above our heads in PSA craziness, and these vintage psa 10 cards represent the apex of our collective submission to PSA and its sometimes head scratching grades. I'm glad for the people who have cards that compare favorably to Dimitri Young's PSA 10 cards, but in the end, each one of us could go up and down our collections and find many better 8's than some of our 9's, or better 4's than our 5's, and so on.
As much as we know the adage of buy the card, not the holder, but when you get past PSA 8's before 1970, you probably don't need to worry too much about that frugal adage.
It is what it is, so just relax and enjoy the show.
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Also no Kenny Lofton rookies in the collection, I find that kinda odd.
<< <i>Is it me or does the 1995 Bowmans Best A. Jones refractor have a "refractor line".
Also no Kenny Lofton rookies in the collection, I find that kinda odd. >>
PSA doesn't grade against refractor lines, BGS does as a surface defect. That's still a very nice card and a very common line because of Jones placement on the original cut sheets. The trick is to find one where the two refractor sheet colors match up well so it's almost unnoticeable. Again, it's still a very nice card...
Question: Is this price tag due to the difficulty of finding a gem mint Fidrych rookie (there are apparently three of them) or due to Fidrych's popularity among collectors?
I'm a Fidrych fan/collector, but for years, this card was pointed to as a cautionary tale of the rookie card craze.
Ten years from now, will a card's special status as a former part of the "Dmitri Young Collection" still somehow elevate it among collectors? Is there another batrch of cards out there with a similar provenance? (I'm not talking about the Gretzky Wagner, just a similar batch of cards of noteworthy background as well as condition.)
<< <i>The Dmitri Young 1977 Gem Mint 10 Mark Fidrych is at $429.
Question: Is this price tag due to the difficulty of finding a gem mint Fidrych rookie (there are apparently three of them) or due to Fidrych's popularity among collectors?
I'm a Fidrych fan/collector, but for years, this card was pointed to as a cautionary tale of the rookie card craze.
Ten years from now, will a card's special status as a former part of the "Dmitri Young Collection" still somehow elevate it among collectors? Is there another batrch of cards out there with a similar provenance? (I'm not talking about the Gretzky Wagner, just a similar batch of cards of noteworthy background as well as condition.) >>
There was a Fidrych last year that sold for around 1500 IIRC.
So anywhere beneath 1000 is a decent price on that card
<< <i>LOL the 1980 Dan Petry is up to $80 >>
Two words: drunk bid.
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<< <i>The Dmitri Young 1977 Gem Mint 10 Mark Fidrych is at $429.
Question: Is this price tag due to the difficulty of finding a gem mint Fidrych rookie (there are apparently three of them) or due to Fidrych's popularity among collectors?
I'm a Fidrych fan/collector, but for years, this card was pointed to as a cautionary tale of the rookie card craze.
Ten years from now, will a card's special status as a former part of the "Dmitri Young Collection" still somehow elevate it among collectors? Is there another batrch of cards out there with a similar provenance? (I'm not talking about the Gretzky Wagner, just a similar batch of cards of noteworthy background as well as condition.) >>
There was a Fidrych last year that sold for around 1500 IIRC.
So anywhere beneath 1000 is a decent price on that card >>
But is that pricetag due to scarcity of the card in gem mint or due to the popularity of the card?
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But is that pricetag due to scarcity of the card in gem mint or due to the popularity of the card? >>
Both. The card is low population in GEM condition, and he was a very popular player.
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But is that pricetag due to scarcity of the card in gem mint or due to the popularity of the card? >>
Both. The card is low population in GEM condition, and he was a very popular player. >>
Interesting...I have a 1977 Topps Vault Fidrych proof card that I bought for a price so reasonable I was, frankly, shocked. Still shocked to actually own it.
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The 76 Eckersely OPC RC has a pop of 2 out of 68 submissions or 2.9% of the population
The 76 Eckersely Topps RC has a pop of 3 out of 1540 submissions or 0.2% of the population
To me, the 76 Topps is much rarer than the OPC as it has a much lower % of the submitted population in a Gem Mint.
The Topps card is included in the HOF post war rookies set on the registry. 150 active participants including several whales.
The OPC card is only included in the Eckersley master set on the registry. 10 active participants including zero whales.
<< <i>I don't find it odd, and I don't think you can look at just the absolute number of a card to determine rarity.
The 76 Eckersely OPC RC has a pop of 2 out of 68 submissions or 2.9% of the population
The 76 Eckersely Topps RC has a pop of 3 out of 1540 submissions or 0.2% of the population
To me, the 76 Topps is much rarer than the OPC as it has a much lower % of the submitted population in a Gem Mint. >>
Perfectly said
Edit: some huge prices already. The Rose is at 100k. Dmitri is going to have Monster profits!
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<< <i>I don't find it odd, and I don't think you can look at just the absolute number of a card to determine rarity.
The 76 Eckersely OPC RC has a pop of 2 out of 68 submissions or 2.9% of the population
The 76 Eckersely Topps RC has a pop of 3 out of 1540 submissions or 0.2% of the population
To me, the 76 Topps is much rarer than the OPC as it has a much lower % of the submitted population in a Gem Mint. >>
I think the price of most low pop psa 10 cards are dictated by the # of people who need them for their registry sets. If there are a handful of people who need a card, a pop 2 is usually going to bring more $ than a pop 3. I understand your point above, but most buyers aren't doing that math when a pop 2 comes to market. They bid it up because they need it and because its in front of them. We all know how insane some registry collectors are about finishing their sets in all 10. MOST won't run the risk of letting one of their competitors have the only psa10 currently for sale because they've calculated the odds that another version will come to market later, based on the # of submissions so far. They'll just buy it when it becomes available. I agree with your logic, but I just don't see many market participants living by that logic. If that is truly what is going on with the Eck cards, thats a form of discipline that I rarely see. I tend to agree more with the other point raised....that more registry participants NEED the Topps because of the various sets that it falls into.
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You know you're up against deep pockets when your max is 7K above current bid and with ONE bid alone, you are outbid (i.e. the person just picked a really high number and didn't bother with the increments).
<< <i>What I find really crazy is the 10% bid increment rule. The Clemente rookie is currently at 223,000 so the next bid has to be for 245,000 roughly. That's just nuts. . >>
totally agree.
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What do you guys think of the Dmitri Young name on it? Do you think down the road that will command a higher premium? The prices are just so crazy....I thought we were in a recession?!?
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<< <i>How is it that I have been an avid card collector for years yet have never seen this card in my life:
Dang Jim, were they out of the tall caps the day you got your uniform? Drum majors everywhere are envious. >>
If you want Jim....YOU GOT IT!!!
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<< <i>I'm contemplating one more bid on the Musial, but I honestly, I don't think that will get it done, so not sure if I should even bother. >>
It can't hurt to try. And how pissed would you be if you didn't bid again and it doesn't go up any more? Good luck, Matt! I would love to have that card more than any other one being sold (other than the Campy).
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