Hi Derry, It's really not a ruffeld feather because they are all still together.............The dimple feather sanded would more describe this piece.............since I didn't come up with that I can't ask for donations...........but if anyone wanted to send 5 cents for every coin sold I would surely get the money to the local boy&girls club..........
<< <i>my 2006 reverse proof has the tail feather dimple. >>
That's bad news... >>
Not really; That's the old style reverse. It would still be interesting though.
Also, it does still not deter from the current coins uniqueness.
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2011 coin with the 2006 reverse ruffeled feather........now that's an error............do you think the mint is just messin with ya............maybe they have an office pool to bet on who discovered the dent first and when?
What do you guys make of this......an NGC MS70 labeled 25th Anniversary (must be bullion - no mm) purchased back in April and it has dimple feather as well. I reviewed one of my 25th Anniversary set and the bullion w/o an S has dimple feather too. Photo attached taken w/ Dinolite, hopefully I attached the file correctly.
<< <i>What do you guys make of this......an NGC MS70 labeled 25th Anniversary (must be bullion - no mm) purchased back in April and it has dimple feather as well. I reviewed one of my 25th Anniversary set and the bullion w/o an S has dimple feather too. Photo attached taken w/ Dinolite, hopefully I attached the file correctly. >>
<< <i>What do you guys make of this......an NGC MS70 labeled 25th Anniversary (must be bullion - no mm) purchased back in April and it has dimple feather as well. I reviewed one of my 25th Anniversary set and the bullion w/o an S has dimple feather too. Photo attached taken w/ Dinolite, hopefully I attached the file correctly. >>
Although from the pic it is hard to see, I do see a depression there.
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Don't know how much this has been talked about, but the 2011-W uncirculated coin's 290K mintage is still ~170,000 lower than any other uncirculated ASE coin.
<< <i>Don't know how much this has been talked about, but the 2011-W uncirculated coin's 290K mintage is still ~170,000 lower than any other uncirculated ASE coin. >>
I'm definitely paying attention to it. This may be heresy on this forum, but if ASE's are tomorrow's Morgans than the W coins are their CC equivalents. No doubt a few of you just laughed at that statement, but only time will tell ...
Back on topic...Has anyone else found anything different on the bullion coin or heard any whispers from the graders that they can share ?
<< <i>Don't know how much this has been talked about, but the 2011-W uncirculated coin's 290K mintage is still ~170,000 lower than any other uncirculated ASE coin. >>
Is that including the 100k from the sets???? If so that would be a winner, if not then it's still interesting but not a boink!
<< <i>Don't know how much this has been talked about, but the 2011-W uncirculated coin's 290K mintage is still ~170,000 lower than any other uncirculated ASE coin. >>
Is that including the 100k from the sets???? If so that would be a winner, if not then it's still interesting but not a boink! >>
Unfortunately I don't have a good camera to take picture with. Dimple/dent or not, just glad I was able to buy 5 sets from USMint. Don't collect much error coins, the only one I have is a plain edge Monroe still intact with the USMint Uncirculated Annual dollar set. Thanks for all comments
<< <i>What do you guys make of this......an NGC MS70 labeled 25th Anniversary (must be bullion - no mm) purchased back in April and it has dimple feather as well. I reviewed one of my 25th Anniversary set and the bullion w/o an S has dimple feather too. Photo attached taken w/ Dinolite, hopefully I attached the file correctly. >>
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<< <i>my 2006 reverse proof has the tail feather dimple. >>
Picture? >>
<< <i>Unfortunately I don't have a good camera to take picture with. >>
i am unable to get close ups as well...
on my 2006P reverse proof, w/a 16X loupe, the dimple was well defined, better than the OP pictures. [someone else look at theirs and confirm-i only have 1]
ALL the other ASE years i looked at have the tapered feather tip, and some had very crisp edges.
doubtful this will make it more unique(=valuable) than it already is, but hopefully sufficent add the (S) back on the label and/or an identifier for those 2011 (S) already out there. i do not have a slabbed (S) to confirm this.
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Is it my poor eyesight? My bullion (S) appears to have the same burnished look as the S mint maked one. Can't tell them appart. Did the Mint produce 100k bullion pieces with a burnished look?
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<< <i>Is it my poor eyesight? My bullion (S) appears to have the same burnished look as the S mint maked one. Can't tell them appart. Did the Mint produce 100k bullion pieces with a burnished look? >>
What in the heck? He's saying that it's found in "some" sets is BS. I haven't seen a confirmed set without it yet!
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<< The 25th Set bullion coin only needs to be uniformly different from the non-Set bullion coin to make the value jump. >>
It might not jump all that much. Remember the 2000-D prooflike Sacagawea dollar from the Millennium Set (mintage 75K)? Prices of $35 to $50 are typical, and one recently sold for less than $20.
Overdate - all it takes with these ASEs is an varietal difference. The "rev of" variety rings loud.
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<< <i>Don't know how much this has been talked about, but the 2011-W uncirculated coin's 290K mintage is still ~170,000 lower than any other uncirculated ASE coin. >>
With the 2006 W, 270K of the total mintage is tied up in anniversary sets(, silver and the 2 piece gold) Kinda ironic, but if we subtract out the anniv sets from the 290K, we would have almost an identical amount of both years in singles 190K give or take a few thousand. What impact if any would that have for the future of the 2011 W?
Seems like if the bullion pieces in the sets can be reliably distinguished from the regular bullion pieces, there should be a jump in value on those coins, granted the S and RP will command a much higher premium on them. I'm not sure if ASEs and Sac dollars are too comparable as far as an aftermarket for variety pieces goes.
The Ws are something to watch too.
All we need now is a variety on the proofs and these sets will be winners.
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<< <i>Don't know how much this has been talked about, but the 2011-W uncirculated coin's 290K mintage is still ~170,000 lower than any other uncirculated ASE coin. >>
With the 2006 W, 270K of the total mintage is tied up in anniversary sets(, silver and the 2 piece gold) Kinda ironic, but if we subtract out the anniv sets from the 290K, we would have almost an identical amount of both years in singles 190K give or take a few thousand. What impact if any would that have for the future of the 2011 W? >>
I agree that this year's W has some potential but I think it is total mintage that will be the determining factor. Just because it is in a set doesn't remove it from the total numbers (since it can always be removed from the set.
But...don't forget that that the W has NOT sold out yet....they, most likely, have minted a quantity and they will remain on sale until they sell those coins or sales totally grind to a halt
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I ordered 8 of the 2008 dollar sets because at the time it was the only way to get the W SAE. I just sent the last SAE in from those sets along with a 2007 I had plus two more 2007 ASEs from sets I just bought. I'll have to go and look at what's left of the sets as I was not aware of an error coin in any of the 2008 sets.
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I was not aware that they were in these sets until just recently either. I will open them up and look at them before I sell them though. In fact I will probably just spend the golden dollars.
The most important question that we need an answer for is whether or not you can tell definitively that the bullion coin is from the 25th set or not by simply looking at it. If graders have to rely on opening a sealed box from the mint, then that doesn't bode well for this coin as a variety in the future. However given the tail feather dimple combined with the ultra-satin finish hopefully it's determined that graders can certify the bullion coin from the set without having to open a sealed mint shipping carton.
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That is pretty hard to see. I had to use 10x power to even make it out at all.
I have looked at some of my other years and do not see it .
Is this just going to be a marker to show that the coin came from the anniversary set?
I can not see any other value to the coin than that or am I missing something.
<< <i>That is pretty hard to see. I had to use 10x power to even make it out at all.
I have looked at some of my other years and do not see it .
Is this just going to be a marker to show that the coin came from the anniversary set?
I can not see any other value to the coin than that or am I missing something. >>
The key to it will be the burnished finish and the marker will be the dent. That is if it all works out.
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<< <i>my 2006 reverse proof has the tail feather dimple. >>
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<< <i>my 2006 reverse proof has the tail feather dimple. >>
That's bad news...
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<< <i>my 2006 reverse proof has the tail feather dimple. >>
That's bad news...
Not really; That's the old style reverse. It would still be interesting though.
Also, it does still not deter from the current coins uniqueness.
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Computer-aided grading, counterfeit detection, recognition and imaging.
<< <i>my 2006 reverse proof has the tail feather dimple. >>
Picture?
Photo attached taken w/ Dinolite, hopefully I attached the file correctly.
<< <i>What do you guys make of this......an NGC MS70 labeled 25th Anniversary (must be bullion - no mm) purchased back in April and it has dimple feather as well. I reviewed one of my 25th Anniversary set and the bullion w/o an S has dimple feather too.
Photo attached taken w/ Dinolite, hopefully I attached the file correctly. >>
Maybe it's just me but I don't see the dimple
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<< <i>my 2006 reverse proof has the tail feather dimple. >>
That's bad news...
Not really; That's the old style reverse. It would still be interesting though.
Also, it does still not deter from the current coins uniqueness. >>
I agree. The 25th Set bullion coin only needs to be uniformly different from the non-Set bullion coin to make the value jump.
<< <i>What do you guys make of this......an NGC MS70 labeled 25th Anniversary (must be bullion - no mm) purchased back in April and it has dimple feather as well. I reviewed one of my 25th Anniversary set and the bullion w/o an S has dimple feather too.
Photo attached taken w/ Dinolite, hopefully I attached the file correctly. >>
Although from the pic it is hard to see, I do see a depression there.
<< <i>Don't know how much this has been talked about, but the 2011-W uncirculated coin's 290K mintage is still ~170,000 lower than any other uncirculated ASE coin. >>
I'm definitely paying attention to it. This may be heresy on this forum, but if ASE's are tomorrow's Morgans than the W coins are their CC equivalents. No doubt a few of you just laughed at that statement, but only time will tell
Back on topic...Has anyone else found anything different on the bullion coin or heard any whispers from the graders that they can share
<< <i>Don't know how much this has been talked about, but the 2011-W uncirculated coin's 290K mintage is still ~170,000 lower than any other uncirculated ASE coin. >>
Is that including the 100k from the sets???? If so that would be a winner, if not then it's still interesting but not a boink!
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<< <i>Don't know how much this has been talked about, but the 2011-W uncirculated coin's 290K mintage is still ~170,000 lower than any other uncirculated ASE coin. >>
Is that including the 100k from the sets???? If so that would be a winner, if not then it's still interesting but not a boink! >>
Yes, 190K sold separate from the sets.
Thanks for all comments
<< <i>What do you guys make of this......an NGC MS70 labeled 25th Anniversary (must be bullion - no mm) purchased back in April and it has dimple feather as well. I reviewed one of my 25th Anniversary set and the bullion w/o an S has dimple feather too.
Photo attached taken w/ Dinolite, hopefully I attached the file correctly. >>
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<< <i>my 2006 reverse proof has the tail feather dimple. >>
Picture? >>
<< <i>Unfortunately I don't have a good camera to take picture with. >>
i am unable to get close ups as well...
on my 2006P reverse proof, w/a 16X loupe, the dimple was well defined, better than the OP pictures. [someone else look at theirs and confirm-i only have 1]
ALL the other ASE years i looked at have the tapered feather tip, and some had very crisp edges.
doubtful this will make it more unique(=valuable) than it already is, but hopefully sufficent add the (S) back on the label and/or an identifier for those 2011 (S) already out there.
i do not have a slabbed (S) to confirm this.
Here's an interesting ebay listing to watch: (no connection w/seller)
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<< <i>Is it my poor eyesight? My bullion (S) appears to have the same burnished look as the S mint maked one. Can't tell them appart. Did the Mint produce 100k bullion pieces with a burnished look? >>
I think that is the million dollar question.
<< <i>This thread sure got quiet. Has there been any further developments/expert opinions?
Here's an interesting ebay listing to watch: (no connection w/seller)
linky >>
What in the heck? He's saying that it's found in "some" sets is BS. I haven't seen a confirmed set without it yet!
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<< <i>This thread sure got quiet. Has there been any further developments/expert opinions?
Here's an interesting ebay listing to watch: (no connection w/seller)
linky >>
What in the heck? He's saying that it's found in "some" sets is BS. I haven't seen a confirmed set without it yet! >>
It's just marketing.
as in, he only looked at his sets...
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<< <i>This thread sure got quiet. Has there been any further developments/expert opinions?
Here's an interesting ebay listing to watch: (no connection w/seller)
linky >>
What in the heck? He's saying that it's found in "some" sets is BS. I haven't seen a confirmed set without it yet! >>
Would you prefer him to say "all sets" and then have people say "that's BS...he hasn't seen MY SET(S) yet!!!"???
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<< <i>Would you prefer him to say "all sets" and then have people say "that's BS...he hasn't seen MY SET(S) yet!!!"??? >>
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It might not jump all that much. Remember the 2000-D prooflike Sacagawea dollar from the Millennium Set (mintage 75K)? Prices of $35 to $50 are typical, and one recently sold for less than $20.
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<< <i>Don't know how much this has been talked about, but the 2011-W uncirculated coin's 290K mintage is still ~170,000 lower than any other uncirculated ASE coin. >>
With the 2006 W, 270K of the total mintage is tied up in anniversary sets(, silver and the 2 piece gold) Kinda ironic, but if we subtract out the anniv sets from the 290K, we would have almost an identical amount of both years in singles 190K give or take a few thousand. What impact if any would that have for the future of the 2011 W?
The Ws are something to watch too.
All we need now is a variety on the proofs and these sets will be winners.
<< <i>
<< <i>Don't know how much this has been talked about, but the 2011-W uncirculated coin's 290K mintage is still ~170,000 lower than any other uncirculated ASE coin. >>
With the 2006 W, 270K of the total mintage is tied up in anniversary sets(, silver and the 2 piece gold) Kinda ironic, but if we subtract out the anniv sets from the 290K, we would have almost an identical amount of both years in singles 190K give or take a few thousand. What impact if any would that have for the future of the 2011 W? >>
I agree that this year's W has some potential but I think it is total mintage that will be the determining factor. Just because it is in a set doesn't remove it from the total numbers (since it can always be removed from the set.
But...don't forget that that the W has NOT sold out yet....they, most likely, have minted a quantity and they will remain on sale until they sell those coins or sales totally grind to a halt
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<< <i>Yes also have those sets. About 5 of each year. >>
i bought them also. got the 2008`s looking for the rev. of 2007.
BIG QUESTION: Will they ever renew this offering ?
I was not aware that they were in these sets until just recently either. I will open them up and look at them before I sell them though. In fact I will probably just spend the golden dollars.