<< <i>McQueary wasn't merely a young grad assistant, he was a 27 year old hulking ex-football player. He could have easily physically restrained an old man who was sexually abusing a boy. >>
McQueary Should do Jail time in my opinion, a complete and utter failure to act upon an incident that was beyond the reasoning of any normal thinking human being.
<< <i>McQueary wasn't merely a young grad assistant, he was a 27 year old hulking ex-football player. He could have easily physically restrained an old man who was sexually abusing a boy. >>
McQueary Should do Jail time in my opinion, a complete and utter failure to act upon an incident that was beyond the reasoning of any normal thinking human being. >>
Except that in this crazy-ass government-regulated world we live in, it's apparently only a crime not to report it. Not intervening isn't considered crime-worthy apparently.
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<< <i> Exactly..most parents including myself would. I missed it somewhere, but why didn't the mother in the 98 case continue to do that? and why in hell would the da's office and police not keep an eye on this POS? >>
If these boys had low-functioning, single, black mothers (and it's starting to look that way) then you have to understand that you're talking about women who a) have never had much faith in law enforcement as a force for good in the world, and b) who don't have any idea what do next if they call the cops and nothing happens. I know this as a fact, as my wife used to work as a case manager in a welfare-to-work agency and knew a lot of women who fit this profile first-hand. Many of these moms just have no idea how to navigate their way effectively through entrenched power structures, and have no faith in their own ability to elicit swift and decisive action from the judicial system. They 'might' call the cops, though they're highly skeptical of the notion that a battalion of white guys are going to move heaven and Earth and champion the cause of their child. If things don't fall into place quickly after they make the phone call they assume (perhaps rightfully) that the world really doesn't care about their kids, or what happens to them, so they give it up.
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This is a great post. >>
Yes it is a great post, and it is why it is foolish for anyone to defend or accuse anyone (other than Sandusky) in this entire mess without knowing all the facts.
One could argue that McQueary was in a similar quandry as the low income mom in Boo's post. Sandusky was reported to the police once before, and nothing came of it. McQueary went to Paterno, and nothing more came of it. Yet somehow a young grad assistant was going to, using Boo's words, navigate his way through the power structures and make headway to putting a stop to something that the police, prosecuting attorneys, and Joe Pa had failed to do already. For all we know, McQueary's solution to the problem was to try everything in his power in his position to steer children away from Sandusky. For all we know, someone showed up at McQueary's house late one night with a picture of McQueary's mother or sister or child and explained what would happen to them if McQueary said another word. Heck, it's possible that McQueary was one of Sandusky's victims many years before. It's also possible that McQueary himself abused young boys. Without knowing any of this, it's impossible, at least for me, to make rational arguments and be all mighty about "what I would have done" or what should be done to each of the people involved. >>
Sorry but its difficult for me to believe that most people in McQuery's situation would do the same. I know myself and I do know there would have been a physical altercation immediately upon seeing a boy in the showers with an adult, if I got my ass kicked then so be it however it would not end there. The police would get a phone call and given exact details of what I saw, regardless of what people may or may not think of the Police I garuntee action would be made and made swiftly, whether it was an investigation or arrest it would get the ball rolling and we all know when the ball is rolling on something illegal it tends to stop people from doing what they are doing and in this case it might have prevented more of this ludicrus behavior. Im all set with the argument of not being in Paternos shoes ect.. and not knowing exactly how I would handle it, its garbage, when something of this nature occurs good people make good decisions and nowhere in this case has anyone involved made a good decision. Its simple,if Paterno made the right call back in 2002 it would have prevented countless other victims, these victims should be on his conscious until the day he dies, McQueery and everyone else involved are total scumbags.
Proud of my Huskers today.... they were class and walked out with a win.
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Well, I got just a little teary eyed watching the pre game stuff. Fans, players, and coaches handled it very well. I hope justice is served, but I'm guessing there will be a whole lot of lying, half-truths, and cover ups in the near future.
<< <i>Well, I got just a little teary eyed watching the pre game stuff. Fans, players, and coaches handled it very well. I hope justice is served, but I'm guessing there will be a whole lot of lying, half-truths, and cover ups in the near future.
May we never have to go through this again. >>
I knew the people at Penn State would handle it that way at the game, and I think most if not all colleges would have handled it the same way.
Looks as though Sandusky is going to plead not guilty, just a guess based on his lawyer's comments. He may not have a choice but to go for it that way because considering the publicity and sordid nature of this case, i doubt if he is going to get any lenient plea bargain deal.
It should be an interesting trial. Sure looks like it should be a slam dunk, but the OJ trial I thought would be a slam dunk, and this evidence may not be as "solid" as the OJ evidence. Either way, i don't think there's any chance of Sandusky winning a civil trial - just my opinion, but he won't have any money left anyway, his own lawyers will drain him dry so suing Sandusky while it will be done to help closure, won't do any good as far as money is concerned for the plaintiffs - doesn't matter because the plaintiffs will get plenty of money from Penn State.
However, it's sickening to think this Sandusky could have a criminal trial and possibly walk free, albeit broke...as OJ, in my opinion, was a stone cold killer, and he walked free. Sandusky though likely can't afford the top lawyers that OJ had, so that could make a difference.
<< <i>Sandusky though likely can't afford the top lawyers that OJ had, so that could make a difference. >>
Steve ... I would not think for a moment that Sundusky will not have only the best on his defense team. Let's remember some of the other rumors ... that HUGE donors may have also sexually abused kids that this piece of sh*t pimped out ... SOMEBODY will pay for this low life's attorneys ... no doubt in my mind.
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I was reading an article on CNN.com and found this paragraph in there....
"It took officials at the high school level to do what university officials appear to have neglected to do for so many years: report the allegations to law enforcement. When the mother of the most recent alleged victim called with her suspicions, the head high school coach immediately notified authorities."
<< <i>Sandusky though likely can't afford the top lawyers that OJ had, so that could make a difference. >>
Steve ... I would not think for a moment that Sundusky will not have only the best on his defense team. Let's remember some of the other rumors ... that HUGE donors may have also sexually abused kids that this piece of sh*t pimped out ... SOMEBODY will pay for this low life's attorneys ... no doubt in my mind. >>
Doug - OJ...I would have to believe from his football career, broadcasting career, and many commercials, had way more money than Sandusky, and certain types of lawyers love taking cases like OJ's, pro bono for a variety of reasons, although I don't recall any of OJ's lawyers working pro bono, maybe Alan Dershowitz did, I'm not sure.
In any event, I think Sandusky has way less money than OJ had, and in this day and age, and thank goodnes for that, i doubt if any top attorney is going to want to defend Sandusky pro bono. But who knows, with some of these lawyers who are so filthy rich from years of extorting money thru the legal system, they have more dam money than they know what to do with, so I think they might take on certain cases just for the thrill of it. However, defend an alleged child molester, pro bono?...even these scumbag rich trial lawyers I don't think would take this case pro bono.
Maybe you're right Doug...that's just my opinion, who really knows what these lawyers will do? For sure, the trial lawyers are lining up, salivating like rabid wolves to get money out of Penn State. I just hope they don't screw the kids out of money like the scumbag law firm in the Erin Brockovich story screwed their clients, according to some articles I have read. And you might say the the lawyers would never screw these molested kids out of money...but the families in the Erin Brockovich story had kids to, and these kids suffered both bodily and mental harm.
Steve ... NOT saying anyone is going to do it Pro Bono. IMO, if these other rumors are true, one of the LARGE DONORS is going to hire and pay for Sandusky's attorney to try to limit their own criminal exposure.
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<< <i>Steve ... NOT saying anyone is going to do it Pro Bono. IMO, if these other rumors are true, one of the LARGE DONORS is going to hire and pay for Sandusky's attorney to try to limit their own criminal exposure. >>
I didn't hear that rumor, but of course I believe ya Doug. I haven't looked at the stories the past few days....watched the Saturday game...and I'm a little burnt out over this whole thing, have to say I'm still in a little shock over this, as I think most Penn Staters are...still seems surreal, but unfortunately, it ain't.
I am hoping that this week the heat keeps getting turned up at Penn State.
Current students, alumni, faculty, Pennsylvania tax payers....everyone should demand more football 'cronies' be put on paid leave, demand that the Board of Trustees be thoroughly investigated.
I hope the news media (liberal or conservative, doesn't matter to me) continues to shine the spotlight all over that university.
<<<I am hoping that this week the heat keeps getting turned up at Penn State.>>>
Can I ask why? The legal process is going to play itself out....the truth will eventually come out, and the appropriate people will be punished. Do we really need 24/7 surveillance of Paterno's house? I'm not downplaying what happened, I just don't think it is newsworthy to know who stopped by to visit Paterno, or when he went out to get groceries. Frankly, I'm much more interested to know how Sandusky is spending his remaining few days as a free man.
I think the pace of posts in this thread the past 2 days suggest that interest in this story has already dropped....at least until more details emerge.
I heard a report on the News this morning. Apparantly prosecutors wanted a half million bond and the wearing of a monitor. The Judge set bail at 100,000 with no outlay of cash from Sandusky and no monitor. They reported the Judge was associated with the charity in question. Judge should have recused him or herself.
<< <i>Can I ask why? The legal process is going to play itself out....the truth will eventually come out, and the appropriate people will be punished. Do we really need 24/7 surveillance of Paterno's house? I'm not downplaying what happened, I just don't think it is newsworthy to know who stopped by to visit Paterno, or when he went out to get groceries. Frankly, I'm much more interested to know how Sandusky is spending his remaining few days as a free man. >>
Personally, I don't care about Paterno now. He's gone. I'm not talking about him, McQueary or the others who have been removed. I'm simply saying that I hope the media and police do everything they can to dig deeper to find any others who may have been in the know or involved.
I said a couple pages ago that I was done talking about the people who were removed (unless news warrants).
The judge who ordered former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky be freed on $100,000 unsecured bail on charges he sexually abused eight boys reportedly volunteered for his charity.
District Judge Leslie Dutchcot, who handled Sandusky's preliminary arraignment, gave his Second Mile charity between $500 and $1,000 and worked as a volunteer for the group, Fox affiliate WTXF-TV reports.
It is repugnant that the judge who handled the arraignment and bail for Sandusky has/had connections (even if it was just to volunteer) with his organization. The judge should have recused herself, simply to avoid the "mere appearance of impropriety" in such a high profile case.
The investigation of this scandal may reveal facts so bad [including possibly Sandusky's organization providing children to predators who happen to be close to and connected with the university, the athletic department and the football program] that the outcome of this entire affair will be the termination of the football program [similar to what happened to the SMU football program in 1987; and what happened to the USF basketball program in 1982].
The scope and breadth of the scandal will unfold in the future and it will traumatic for everyone who is a fan and support of PSU and its football team.
<< <i>It is repugnant that the judge who handled the arraignment and bail for Sandusky has/had connections (even if it was just to volunteer) with his organization. The judge should have recused herself, simply to avoid the "mere appearance of impropriety" in such a high profile case.
The investigation of this scandal may reveal facts so bad [including possibly Sandusky's organization providing children to predators who happen to be close to and connected with the university, the athletic department and the football program] that the outcome of this entire affair will be the termination of the football program [similar to what happened to the SMU football program in 1987; and what happened to the USF basketball program in 1982].
The scope and breadth of the scandal will unfold in the future and it will traumatic for everyone who is a fan and support of PSU and its football team. >>
<<< The scope and breadth of the scandal will unfold in the future and it will traumatic for everyone who is a fan and support of PSU and its football team. >>>
<<< traumatic >>>
The point is understood but I for one have to reply, "not really" - the damage is already done...Paterno is gone, hopefully eventually he will be exonerated with the public, right now I see no evidence that he participated in the coverup, and if it comes out for sure that he did, then he deserves to be nailed for that...the idiots who did cover it up are gone...and of course the alleged filthy pervert is gone and he had been gone for a long time anyway, but unfortunately he stuck around to spread his perverted filth among Penn State and the community.
So the trials and tribulations coming means little to nothing to me, as far as my allegiance, loyalty and support to Penn State. Perhaps some students or alumni of Penn State will continue to brood over this, but not me...I'll actually look forward to seeing this alleged pedophile disease get nailed criminally and civilly, and I look forward to anyone associated with this rat with fleas to receive a similar result.
Besides, there are more important national issues to be addressed and taken care of between now and November 2012 that will determine the future of our country.
Penn State lives on...and we will be better than ever now that we've rid ourselves of this mess, and if we need to cleanup a bit more, then we will do so.
Is all of this still Barney Frank and the lamestream liberal media's fault? I was out of town for the past couple of days for a funeral. Let's get steve worked up again, I really need a good laugh.
<< <i>Penn State lives on...and we will be better than ever now that we've rid ourselves of this mess, and if we need to cleanup a bit more, then we will do so. >>
Steve, did you actually attend Penn St? If so, what year did you graduate and what was your degree? Who exactly is "we" other than BBG? You seem to have a lot vested in the outcome of this criminal investigation, so I'm wondering why you feel such a closeness to all this...
<< <i>Penn State lives on...and we will be better than ever now that we've rid ourselves of this mess, and if we need to cleanup a bit more, then we will do so. >>
Steve, did you actually attend Penn St? If so, what year did you graduate and what was your degree? Who exactly is "we" other than BBG? You seem to have a lot vested in the outcome of this criminal investigation, so I'm wondering why you feel such a closeness to all this... >>
Don't be lazy - read the thread and it is obvious.
<< <i>Is all of this still Barney Frank and the lamestream liberal media's fault? I was out of town for the past couple of days for a funeral. Let's get steve worked up again, I really need a good laugh. >>
Yes, i did get worked up over this, and will continue to do so to some degree, but probably not as much as the first few days.
Frankly, the other side against Paterno seemed to get just as worked up as me, and I think a lively debate about this was good.
<< <i>Don't be lazy - read the thread and it is obvious. >>
How about you try answering the question, genius? I'm not going to wade through 500+ posts of your incoherent rambling to try to infer whether or not you actually went to college at Penn St. But then again, your hackneyed response tells me all I need to know about your "affiliation" with the university.
What happened to your beloved Phillies avatar? Wait, 3, 2, 1...you're gonna tell us all what a tough, thick-skinned Philadelphian you are...even though nothing you ever post makes any sense whatsoever.
I'm a Nebraska Cornhusker fan, St Louis Cardinals fan (respect the Phillies), and happy to see Paterno at home on Saturday........Plus my employment is a social worker whose job it is to protect children and not an institution. Could not be more different than our resident PSU supporter. I breeze by what stevek has to say, respect his opinion but personally think it is delusional.....
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<< <i>Don't be lazy - read the thread and it is obvious. >>
How about you try answering the question, genius? I'm not going to wade through 500+ posts of your incoherent rambling to try to infer whether or not you actually went to college at Penn St. But then again, your hackneyed response tells me all I need to know about your "affiliation" with the university.
What happened to your beloved Phillies avatar? Wait, 3, 2, 1...you're gonna tell us all what a tough, thick-skinned Philadelphian you are...even though nothing you ever post makes any sense whatsoever. >>
Ya know what makes less sense than posts that don't make "any sense whatsoever", is reading all those posts that don't make any sense.
<< <i>I'm a Nebraska Cornhusker fan, St Louis Cardinals fan (respect the Phillies), and happy to see Paterno at home on Saturday........Plus my employment is a social worker whose job it is to protect children and not an institution. Could not be more different than our resident PSU supporter. I breeze by what stevek has to say, respect his opinion but personally think it is delusional..... >>
Well, we can't talk politics here, but I've often heard some in the media refer to conservatives as "delusional" and usually worse than that. We'll see what happens in November 2012 and how "delusional" we are.
My points about Joe Paterno, I stand by them unless the facts or evidence proves otherwise. Your side has been the "hanging judge" towards Joe Paterno, not my side.
We all applaud your work as "a social worker whose job it is to protect children and not an "institution." But there have been other institutions which have suffered even worse circumstances than this situation at Penn State, and these other institutions learned from their mistakes and recovered to continue their great work.
The overall value of Penn State to society far outweighs the alleged crimes of a few who worked there. Penn State as well as being a wonderful college, has been consistently outstanding in its charity work. I believe all that is worth protecting for future benefits to students and society as a whole.
Penn State will soon be forwarding a lot of money to these molested kids, which can help get them the best treatment possible to hopefully help them to heal...and I'm sure Penn State will rise up and do much better to create awareness and provide action towards this awful problem. That is an institution worth keeping around, and Penn State will be around for a long time, I believe better than ever.
My points about Joe Paterno, I stand by them unless the facts or evidence proves otherwise. Your side has been the "hanging judge" towards Joe Paterno, not my side. . >>
The facts about Paterno is that he knowingly let a child rapist run rampant in his 'backyard', and it took a meager high school coach to do what Paterno was supposed, in order to get Paterno's rapist friend under the thumb of the law.
Since coaches at lower levels show more courage, character, and common sense than Paterno, it is natural for him to be removed from his lofty status and job, and taken off the big ten trophy, because honors like that are reserved for the greatest of the great. There are too many people in the field that are of higher character and of greater courage than he, for him to retain those lofty honors.
After all, why would a guy deserve such honor, if he displays none himself?
<< <i>Don't be lazy - read the thread and it is obvious. >>
How about you try answering the question, genius? I'm not going to wade through 500+ posts of your incoherent rambling to try to infer whether or not you actually went to college at Penn St. But then again, your hackneyed response tells me all I need to know about your "affiliation" with the university.
What happened to your beloved Phillies avatar? Wait, 3, 2, 1...you're gonna tell us all what a tough, thick-skinned Philadelphian you are...even though nothing you ever post makes any sense whatsoever. >>
Ya know what makes less sense than posts that don't make "any sense whatsoever", is reading all those posts that don't make any sense.
Now please stay on topic. >>
I'll take that as a "No, you didn't attend Penn St" as you refuse to answer the question. And you're right, it wouldn't make much sense to read through all those posts that don't make much sense, like you said "less sense" than "any sense whatsoever."
My question is germane to the conversation because you seem to be defending Penn St's and Paterno's handling of the situation. I think it's pretty clear there was a real lack of leadership shown by both parties. I agree Penn St is a good school, but this will be a blemish on their reputation for some time to come. Paterno was a legend in college football, but I (and he--by his own admission) wish he had done more to stop these horrible crimes.
Looks like McQueary put a stop to what he witnessed. Will be interesting as more information is revealed.
Robb >>
Appears to be spin control to me. Did he secure the boy and make sure he was safe and returned to his guardian/parent? Did he call the police? If he supposedly "stopped" this, then why did he leave that detail out in the grand jury testimony?
On tonight’s episode of Rock Center with Brian Williams Bob Costas conducted a phone interview with Jerry Sandusky, the Penn State coach who was recently indicted for molesting young boys during his time as a coach. It was the first time Sandusky has spoken to anyone publicly since the allegations surfaced last week.
Here is the complete transcript of the interview, including a brief segment in the middle in which Sandusky’s attorney Joseph Amendola answered questions. (Amendola was present in the studio with Costas for his portion of the interview.)
Bob Costas: Mr. Sandusky there’s a 40-count indictment, the grand jury report contains specific detail, there are multiple accusers, multiple eye-witnesses to various aspects of the abuse – a reasonable person says, “where there’s this much smoke, there must be plenty of fire.” What do you say?
Jerry Sandusky: I say that I am innocent of those charges.
Costas: Innocent? Completely innocent and falsely accused in every aspect?
Sandusky: Well, I could say that, you know, I have done some of those things. I have horsed around with kids, I have showered after workouts. I have hugged them and I have touched their leg without intent of sexual contact, but, um so if you look at it that way, there are things that would be accurate.
Costas: Are you denying that you had any inappropriate sexual contact with any of these underage boys?
Sandusky: Yes I am.
Costas: Never touched their genitals? Never engaged in oral sex?
Sandusky: Right.
Costas: What about Mike McQueary, the grad assistant who in 2002 walked into the shower where he says, in specific detail, that you were forcibly raping a boy who appeared to be 10 or 11 years old? That his hands were up against the shower wall and he heard rhythmic “slap, slap, slap, slapping” sounds – and he described that as a rape?
Sandusky: I would say that that’s false.
Costas: What would be his motive to lie?
Sandusky: You’d have to ask him that.
Costas: What did happen in the shower the night that Mike McQueary happened upon you and the young boy?
Sandusky: Okay, we were showering and horsing around and he actually turned all the showers on and was actually sliding across the floor and, as I recall, possibly like snapping a towel in horseplay.
Costas: In 1998 a mother confronts you about taking a shower with her son and inappropriately touching him. Two detectives ease dropped on her conversations with you and you admit that “maybe your private parts touched her son.” What happened there?
Sandusky: Well I can’t exactly recall what was said there. In terms of what I did say was that if he felt that way then I was wrong.
Costas: During one of those conversations you said, “I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness,” speaking now with the mother, “I know I won’t get it from you. I wish I were dead.” A guy falsely accused or a guy whose actions have been misinterpreted doesn’t respond that way does he?
Sandusky: I don’t know. I didn’t say to my recollection that I wish I were dead. I was hopeful that we could reconcile things.
Costas: Shortly after that in 2000 a janitor said that he saw you performing oral sex on a young boy in the showers in the Penn State locker facility. Did that happen?
Sandusky: No.
Costas: How could somebody think they saw something as extreme and shocking as that when it hadn’t occurred, and what would possibly be their motivation to fabricate it?
Sandusky: You’d have to ask them.
Costas: It seems that if all of these accusations are false, you are the unluckiest and most persecuted man that any of us has ever heard about.
Sandusky: I don’t know what you want me to say. I don’t think that these have been the best days of my life.
^ Jerry Sandusky’s attorney Joseph Amendola
Costas (narrating): Sandusky’s attorney Joseph Amendola insists the charges filed by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania listing eight victims will not hold up.
Costas: You said a few days ago, “much more is going to come out in our defense.” In broad terms, what?
Joseph Amendola: We expect we’re going to have a number of kids – now how many of those so-called eight kids we’re not sure – but we anticipate we’re going to have at least several of those kids come forward and say this never happened, this is me, this is the allegation, and it never occurred. In fact, one of the toughest allegations – the McQueary allegations – what McQueary said he saw, we have information that that child says that never happened. Now grown up.
Costas: Until now we were told that that alleged victim could not be identified. You have identified him?
Amendola: We think we have.
Costas: So you found him, the Commonwealth has not?
Amendola: Yeah. Interesting, isn’t it?
Costas: Would you allow your own children to be alone with your client?
Amendola: Absolutely. I believe in Jerry’s innocence. Quite honestly Bob, that’s why I’m involved in the case.
Costas: You believe in his innocence? Not just that you can mitigate his guilt, you believe in his innocence.
Amendola: I believe in his innocence.
Costas (narrating): Meanwhile, the man who helped Jo Paterno win national championships is now at the center of a scandal that’s brought his old boss down.
Costas: To your knowledge did Jo Paterno have any information regarding objectionable activities on your part prior to that report in 2002?
Sandusky: I can’t totally answer that question, my answer would be, “no.”
Costas: Did Jo Paterno at any time ever speak to you directly about your behavior?
Sandusky: No.
Costas: Never?
Sandusky: No.
Costas: He never asked you about what you might have done?
Sandusky: No.
Costas: He never asked you if you needed help, if you needed counseling?
Sandusky: No.
Costas: Never expressed disapproval of any kind?
Sandusky: No.
Costas: How do you feel about what has happened to Penn State and to Jo Paterno and to the Penn State football program and your part in it?
Sandusky: How would think that I would feel about a University that I attended, about people that I’ve worked with, about people that I care so much about. How do you think that I would feel about it? I feel horrible.
Costas: You feel horrible. Do you feel culpable?
Sandusky: I’m not sure I know what you mean.
Costas: Do you feel guilty? Do you feel as if it’s your fault?
Sandusky: No, I don’t think it’s my fault. I obviously played a part in this.
Costas: How would you define the part you played? What are you willing to concede that you’ve done that was wrong and that you wish you had not done it?
Sandusky: Well, in retrospect, I shouldn’t have showered with those kids.
Costas: That’s it?
Sandusky: Yeah, well I mean, that’s what hits me the most.
Costas: Are you a pedophile?
Sandusky: No.
Costas: Are you sexually attracted to young boys, to underage boys?
Sandusky: Am I sexually attracted to underage boys? Sexually attracted? No. You know, I enjoy young people. I love to be around them, but no, I’m not sexually attracted to young boys.
Costas: Obviously you are entitled to a presumption of innocence, and you’ll receive a vigorous defense. On the other hand, there is a tremendous amount of information out there and fair-minded, common sense people have concluded that you are guilty of monstrous acts. And they are particularly unforgiving with the type of crimes that have been alleged here. And so, millions of Americans who didn’t know Jerry Sandusky’s name until a week ago now regard you not only as a criminal, but I say this I think in a considered way, but as some sort of monster. How do you respond to them?
Sandusky: I don’t know what I can say or what I could say that would make anybody feel any different now. I would just say that if somehow people could hang on until my attorney has a chance to fight, you know, for my innocence, that’s about all I could ask right now. You know, obviously it’s a huge challenge.
I know that 99% of society feels this Sandusky is a strange dude, and guilty of all charges.
But my guess is that he walks away scott free from all this. They have to prove his guilt, and I just don't think they can do that. A massive cover up will take place.
I don't even think this rift between McQueary and Sandusky matters. Sandusky has to be proven guilty, and that just ain't going to happen.
If OJ wasn't proven guilty, then Sandusky's case isn't even going to come close.
<< <i>I know that 99% of society feels this Sandusky is a strange dude, and guilty of all charges.
But my guess is that he walks away scott free from all this. They have to prove his guilt, and I just don't think they can do that. A massive cover up will take place.
I don't even think this rift between McQueary and Sandusky matters. Sandusky has to be proven guilty, and that just ain't going to happen.
If OJ wasn't proven guilty, then Sandusky's case isn't even going to come close. >>
I understand the comparison between OJ, and that is a good comparison...but I think the better comparison is with Michael Jackson who not only in my opinion was guilty of basically the same behavior as Sandusky, but Jackson was actually more prolific...and Jackson rather than being disgraced for the most part, actually continued to be popular with those who admired and adored him so much.
The late Michael Jackson and Jerry Sandusky are both perverted diseases in my opinion, and both should have been equally disgraced. Unfortunately in some cases, our legal system benefits those who have the most money and connections, rather than justice being served.
I didn't follow the MJ stuff. Was he accused of the same stuff ? The only thing I remember him saying was that kids slept in the bed with him, and that he didn't think it was a big deal.
I think any adult who sleeps in the bed with a child (other then his own), or takes a shower with any child, is living a very strange life, and I would be highly suspicious of anyone who did this.
<< <i>I didn't follow the MJ stuff. Was he accused of the same stuff ? The only thing I remember him saying was that kids slept in the bed with him, and that he didn't think it was a big deal.
I think any adult who sleeps in the bed with a child (other then his own), or takes a shower with any child, is living a very strange life, and I would be highly suspicious of anyone who did this. >>
I read where Jackson paid off that one woman and her young son, big time...close to around 10 million it was reported, so as to not pursue charges against him...and from what I recall he paid off others as well. I have no interest in bashing a guy who recently died even though I think Michael Jackson was a despicable child pervert...but in my view the comparison shows the liberal hypocrisy out there today, which is also evident in a number of comments in this thread towards Joe Paterno. Not trying to make the thread political, but this hypocrisy needs to be pointed out to understand how it appears that Joe Paterno may have been railroaded.
An assistant Penn State football coach on administrative leave says in an email that he stopped Jerry Sandusky's alleged sexual attack on a young boy in the showers.
In the email, obtained by several media outlets, Mike McQueary also says he had "discussions with police and with the official at the university in charge of police" after stopping the alleged attack.
The email was written to a former classmate, according to The Morning Call, a newspaper based in Allentown, Pennsylvania.
In it, McQueary wrote that he "is getting hammered for handling this the right way or what I thought at the time was right," according to the paper.
The wide receivers coach was placed on indefinite administrative leave last Friday and told not to attend Saturday's game against Nebraska out of fear for his own safety and based on threats made against him.
McQueary has come under increasing scrutiny and is seen as a key witness in the child sex-abuse case against Sandusky after grand jury testimony in which he said he witnessed the former Penn State defensive coordinator raping a boy he thought was around 10 years old.
According to the grand jury report -- in which he is identified as a graduate assistant -- McQueary left after seeing the alleged attack and later reported it to head coach Joe Paterno.
McQueary's email would seem to contradict his testimony to the grand jury, which did not mention an attempt to stop the attack.
"I did stop it, not physically, but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room," McQueary said in the email, according to the paper.
McQueary also wrote: "No one can imagine my thoughts or wants to be in my shoes for those 30-45 seconds. Trust me."
Sandusky spoke publicly for the first time since being charged with 40 counts of various sexual crimes against children, telling NBC's Bob Costas on Monday that he was innocent of the charges.
In a telephone interview, Sandusky claimed he "horsed around" with children, showered with them after workouts, hugged them and touched their legs, but did so "without intent of sexual contact."
On Tuesday, McQueary spoke briefly with a "CBS Evening News" reporter and said his emotions were "all over the place." He compared himself and his situation to a shaken snow globe.
Paterno, who had coached Penn State since 1966, and school president Graham Spanier are among the school leaders who have lost their jobs in the scandal.
Penn State athletic director Tim Curley and Gary Schultz, who oversaw the school's police department, were charged with perjury in the case and both stepped down from their positions.
Well, well, well...so what do we have here?...McQuery likely wanted this leaked, and unless he is lying, and that would be stupid because the police logs could easily be checked on this, seems like McQuery did contact the police...that would mean he likely told Joe Paterno that, therefore one of my major premises here would be correct...that Joe felt he didn't have to do more at the time, other than tell the university administrator about it, because the police were already involved.
I'm still absorbing all the facts and evidence, and McQuery could be lying. I would like to see some polygraph tests done on some of these people. In any event, if Joe Paterno is shown to be totally innocent, I just hope some of the haters and hanging judges out there towards Joe Paterno will publicly apologize...but I now they probably won't, because liberal haters are usually unrepentant.
If you can't discuss this without throwing in the "your side" "my side" "liberals" "conservatives", et al then please stop posting. I’ve asked everyone to keep this apolitical and these comments aren’t a way around that request.
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<< <i>McQueary wasn't merely a young grad assistant, he was a 27 year old hulking ex-football player. He could have easily physically restrained an old man who was sexually abusing a boy. >>
McQueary Should do Jail time in my opinion, a complete and utter failure to act upon an incident that was beyond the reasoning of any normal thinking human being.
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McQueary Should do Jail time in my opinion, a complete and utter failure to act upon an incident that was beyond the reasoning of any normal thinking human being. >>
Except that in this crazy-ass government-regulated world we live in, it's apparently only a crime not to report it. Not intervening isn't considered crime-worthy apparently.
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Exactly..most parents including myself would. I missed it somewhere, but why didn't the mother in the 98 case continue to do that? and why in hell would the da's office and police not keep an eye on this POS? >>
If these boys had low-functioning, single, black mothers (and it's starting to look that way) then you have to understand that you're talking about women who a) have never had much faith in law enforcement as a force for good in the world, and b) who don't have any idea what do next if they call the cops and nothing happens. I know this as a fact, as my wife used to work as a case manager in a welfare-to-work agency and knew a lot of women who fit this profile first-hand. Many of these moms just have no idea how to navigate their way effectively through entrenched power structures, and have no faith in their own ability to elicit swift and decisive action from the judicial system. They 'might' call the cops, though they're highly skeptical of the notion that a battalion of white guys are going to move heaven and Earth and champion the cause of their child. If things don't fall into place quickly after they make the phone call they assume (perhaps rightfully) that the world really doesn't care about their kids, or what happens to them, so they give it up.
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This is a great post. >>
Yes it is a great post, and it is why it is foolish for anyone to defend or accuse anyone (other than Sandusky) in this entire mess without knowing all the facts.
One could argue that McQueary was in a similar quandry as the low income mom in Boo's post. Sandusky was reported to the police once before, and nothing came of it. McQueary went to Paterno, and nothing more came of it. Yet somehow a young grad assistant was going to, using Boo's words, navigate his way through the power structures and make headway to putting a stop to something that the police, prosecuting attorneys, and Joe Pa had failed to do already. For all we know, McQueary's solution to the problem was to try everything in his power in his position to steer children away from Sandusky. For all we know, someone showed up at McQueary's house late one night with a picture of McQueary's mother or sister or child and explained what would happen to them if McQueary said another word. Heck, it's possible that McQueary was one of Sandusky's victims many years before. It's also possible that McQueary himself abused young boys. Without knowing any of this, it's impossible, at least for me, to make rational arguments and be all mighty about "what I would have done" or what should be done to each of the people involved. >>
Sorry but its difficult for me to believe that most people in McQuery's situation would do the same. I know myself and I do know there would have been a physical altercation immediately upon seeing a boy in the showers with an adult, if I got my ass kicked then so be it however it would not end there. The police would get a phone call and given exact details of what I saw, regardless of what people may or may not think of the Police I garuntee action would be made and made swiftly, whether it was an investigation or arrest it would get the ball rolling and we all know when the ball is rolling on something illegal it tends to stop people from doing what they are doing and in this case it might have prevented more of this ludicrus behavior. Im all set with the argument of not being in Paternos shoes ect.. and not knowing exactly how I would handle it, its garbage, when something of this nature occurs good people make good decisions and nowhere in this case has anyone involved made a good decision. Its simple,if Paterno made the right call back in 2002 it would have prevented countless other victims, these victims should be on his conscious until the day he dies, McQueery and everyone else involved are total scumbags.
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<< <i>Proud of my Huskers today.... they were class and walked out with a win. >>
I'm not a Nebraska fan...but I was glad to see them play with class and get the win too.
The on-field huddle at the beginning looked pretty special (I couldn't hear it, only see it).
very well. I hope justice is served, but I'm guessing there will be a whole lot of lying, half-truths, and cover ups
in the near future.
May we never have to go through this again.
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very well. I hope justice is served, but I'm guessing there will be a whole lot of lying, half-truths, and cover ups
in the near future.
May we never have to go through this again. >>
I knew the people at Penn State would handle it that way at the game, and I think most if not all colleges would have handled it the same way.
Looks as though Sandusky is going to plead not guilty, just a guess based on his lawyer's comments. He may not have a choice but to go for it that way because considering the publicity and sordid nature of this case, i doubt if he is going to get any lenient plea bargain deal.
It should be an interesting trial. Sure looks like it should be a slam dunk, but the OJ trial I thought would be a slam dunk, and this evidence may not be as "solid" as the OJ evidence. Either way, i don't think there's any chance of Sandusky winning a civil trial - just my opinion, but he won't have any money left anyway, his own lawyers will drain him dry so suing Sandusky while it will be done to help closure, won't do any good as far as money is concerned for the plaintiffs - doesn't matter because the plaintiffs will get plenty of money from Penn State.
However, it's sickening to think this Sandusky could have a criminal trial and possibly walk free, albeit broke...as OJ, in my opinion, was a stone cold killer, and he walked free. Sandusky though likely can't afford the top lawyers that OJ had, so that could make a difference.
<< <i>Sandusky though likely can't afford the top lawyers that OJ had, so that could make a difference. >>
Steve ... I would not think for a moment that Sundusky will not have only the best on his defense team. Let's remember some of the other rumors ... that HUGE donors may have also sexually abused kids that this piece of sh*t pimped out ... SOMEBODY will pay for this low life's attorneys ... no doubt in my mind.
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"It took officials at the high school level to do what university officials appear to have neglected to do for so many years: report the allegations to law enforcement. When the mother of the most recent alleged victim called with her suspicions, the head high school coach immediately notified authorities."
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Steve ... I would not think for a moment that Sundusky will not have only the best on his defense team. Let's remember some of the other rumors ... that HUGE donors may have also sexually abused kids that this piece of sh*t pimped out ... SOMEBODY will pay for this low life's attorneys ... no doubt in my mind. >>
Doug - OJ...I would have to believe from his football career, broadcasting career, and many commercials, had way more money than Sandusky, and certain types of lawyers love taking cases like OJ's, pro bono for a variety of reasons, although I don't recall any of OJ's lawyers working pro bono, maybe Alan Dershowitz did, I'm not sure.
In any event, I think Sandusky has way less money than OJ had, and in this day and age, and thank goodnes for that, i doubt if any top attorney is going to want to defend Sandusky pro bono. But who knows, with some of these lawyers who are so filthy rich from years of extorting money thru the legal system, they have more dam money than they know what to do with, so I think they might take on certain cases just for the thrill of it. However, defend an alleged child molester, pro bono?...even these scumbag rich trial lawyers I don't think would take this case pro bono.
Maybe you're right Doug...that's just my opinion, who really knows what these lawyers will do? For sure, the trial lawyers are lining up, salivating like rabid wolves to get money out of Penn State. I just hope they don't screw the kids out of money like the scumbag law firm in the Erin Brockovich story screwed their clients, according to some articles I have read. And you might say the the lawyers would never screw these molested kids out of money...but the families in the Erin Brockovich story had kids to, and these kids suffered both bodily and mental harm.
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<< <i>Steve ... NOT saying anyone is going to do it Pro Bono. IMO, if these other rumors are true, one of the LARGE DONORS is going to hire and pay for Sandusky's attorney to try to limit their own criminal exposure. >>
I didn't hear that rumor, but of course I believe ya Doug. I haven't looked at the stories the past few days....watched the Saturday game...and I'm a little burnt out over this whole thing, have to say I'm still in a little shock over this, as I think most Penn Staters are...still seems surreal, but unfortunately, it ain't.
Current students, alumni, faculty, Pennsylvania tax payers....everyone should demand more football 'cronies' be put on paid leave, demand that the Board of Trustees be thoroughly investigated.
I hope the news media (liberal or conservative, doesn't matter to me) continues to shine the spotlight all over that university.
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Can I ask why? The legal process is going to play itself out....the truth will eventually come out, and the appropriate people will be punished. Do we really need 24/7 surveillance of Paterno's house? I'm not downplaying what happened, I just don't think it is newsworthy to know who stopped by to visit Paterno, or when he went out to get groceries. Frankly, I'm much more interested to know how Sandusky is spending his remaining few days as a free man.
I think the pace of posts in this thread the past 2 days suggest that interest in this story has already dropped....at least until more details emerge.
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<< <i>Can I ask why? The legal process is going to play itself out....the truth will eventually come out, and the appropriate people will be punished. Do we really need 24/7 surveillance of Paterno's house? I'm not downplaying what happened, I just don't think it is newsworthy to know who stopped by to visit Paterno, or when he went out to get groceries. Frankly, I'm much more interested to know how Sandusky is spending his remaining few days as a free man. >>
Personally, I don't care about Paterno now. He's gone. I'm not talking about him, McQueary or the others who have been removed. I'm simply saying that I hope the media and police do everything they can to dig deeper to find any others who may have been in the know or involved.
I said a couple pages ago that I was done talking about the people who were removed (unless news warrants).
The judge who ordered former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky be freed on $100,000 unsecured bail on charges he sexually abused eight boys reportedly volunteered for his charity.
District Judge Leslie Dutchcot, who handled Sandusky's preliminary arraignment, gave his Second Mile charity between $500 and $1,000 and worked as a volunteer for the group, Fox affiliate WTXF-TV reports.
The investigation of this scandal may reveal facts so bad [including possibly Sandusky's organization providing children to predators who happen to be close to and connected with the university, the athletic department and the football program] that the outcome of this entire affair will be the termination of the football program [similar to what happened to the SMU football program in 1987; and what happened to the USF basketball program in 1982].
The scope and breadth of the scandal will unfold in the future and it will traumatic for everyone who is a fan and support of PSU and its football team.
<< <i>It is repugnant that the judge who handled the arraignment and bail for Sandusky has/had connections (even if it was just to volunteer) with his organization. The judge should have recused herself, simply to avoid the "mere appearance of impropriety" in such a high profile case.
The investigation of this scandal may reveal facts so bad [including possibly Sandusky's organization providing children to predators who happen to be close to and connected with the university, the athletic department and the football program] that the outcome of this entire affair will be the termination of the football program [similar to what happened to the SMU football program in 1987; and what happened to the USF basketball program in 1982].
The scope and breadth of the scandal will unfold in the future and it will traumatic for everyone who is a fan and support of PSU and its football team. >>
<<< The scope and breadth of the scandal will unfold in the future and it will traumatic for everyone who is a fan and support of PSU and its football team. >>>
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The point is understood but I for one have to reply, "not really" - the damage is already done...Paterno is gone, hopefully eventually he will be exonerated with the public, right now I see no evidence that he participated in the coverup, and if it comes out for sure that he did, then he deserves to be nailed for that...the idiots who did cover it up are gone...and of course the alleged filthy pervert is gone and he had been gone for a long time anyway, but unfortunately he stuck around to spread his perverted filth among Penn State and the community.
So the trials and tribulations coming means little to nothing to me, as far as my allegiance, loyalty and support to Penn State. Perhaps some students or alumni of Penn State will continue to brood over this, but not me...I'll actually look forward to seeing this alleged pedophile disease get nailed criminally and civilly, and I look forward to anyone associated with this rat with fleas to receive a similar result.
Besides, there are more important national issues to be addressed and taken care of between now and November 2012 that will determine the future of our country.
Penn State lives on...and we will be better than ever now that we've rid ourselves of this mess, and if we need to cleanup a bit more, then we will do so.
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<< <i>Penn State lives on...and we will be better than ever now that we've rid ourselves of this mess, and if we need to cleanup a bit more, then we will do so. >>
Steve, did you actually attend Penn St? If so, what year did you graduate and what was your degree? Who exactly is "we" other than BBG? You seem to have a lot vested in the outcome of this criminal investigation, so I'm wondering why you feel such a closeness to all this...
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Steve, did you actually attend Penn St? If so, what year did you graduate and what was your degree? Who exactly is "we" other than BBG? You seem to have a lot vested in the outcome of this criminal investigation, so I'm wondering why you feel such a closeness to all this... >>
Don't be lazy - read the thread and it is obvious.
<< <i>Is Sandusky for real with this latest interview? I'm surprised his lawyers even let him speak. >>
I didn't see the interview but saw the excerpts.
The problem he's got is corroborating testimony from different reliable sources.
<< <i>Is all of this still Barney Frank and the lamestream liberal media's fault? I was out of town for the past couple of days for a funeral. Let's get steve worked up again, I really need a good laugh. >>
Yes, i did get worked up over this, and will continue to do so to some degree, but probably not as much as the first few days.
Frankly, the other side against Paterno seemed to get just as worked up as me, and I think a lively debate about this was good.
<< <i>Don't be lazy - read the thread and it is obvious. >>
How about you try answering the question, genius? I'm not going to wade through 500+ posts of your incoherent rambling to try to infer whether or not you actually went to college at Penn St. But then again, your hackneyed response tells me all I need to know about your "affiliation" with the university.
What happened to your beloved Phillies avatar? Wait, 3, 2, 1...you're gonna tell us all what a tough, thick-skinned Philadelphian you are...even though nothing you ever post makes any sense whatsoever.
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How about you try answering the question, genius? I'm not going to wade through 500+ posts of your incoherent rambling to try to infer whether or not you actually went to college at Penn St. But then again, your hackneyed response tells me all I need to know about your "affiliation" with the university.
What happened to your beloved Phillies avatar? Wait, 3, 2, 1...you're gonna tell us all what a tough, thick-skinned Philadelphian you are...even though nothing you ever post makes any sense whatsoever. >>
Ya know what makes less sense than posts that don't make "any sense whatsoever", is reading all those posts that don't make any sense.
Now please stay on topic.
<< <i>I'm a Nebraska Cornhusker fan, St Louis Cardinals fan (respect the Phillies), and happy to see Paterno at home on Saturday........Plus my employment is a social worker whose job it is to protect children and not an institution. Could not be more different than our resident PSU supporter. I breeze by what stevek has to say, respect his opinion but personally think it is delusional..... >>
Well, we can't talk politics here, but I've often heard some in the media refer to conservatives as "delusional" and usually worse than that. We'll see what happens in November 2012 and how "delusional" we are.
My points about Joe Paterno, I stand by them unless the facts or evidence proves otherwise. Your side has been the "hanging judge" towards Joe Paterno, not my side.
We all applaud your work as "a social worker whose job it is to protect children and not an "institution." But there have been other institutions which have suffered even worse circumstances than this situation at Penn State, and these other institutions learned from their mistakes and recovered to continue their great work.
The overall value of Penn State to society far outweighs the alleged crimes of a few who worked there. Penn State as well as being a wonderful college, has been consistently outstanding in its charity work. I believe all that is worth protecting for future benefits to students and society as a whole.
Penn State will soon be forwarding a lot of money to these molested kids, which can help get them the best treatment possible to hopefully help them to heal...and I'm sure Penn State will rise up and do much better to create awareness and provide action towards this awful problem. That is an institution worth keeping around, and Penn State will be around for a long time, I believe better than ever.
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My points about Joe Paterno, I stand by them unless the facts or evidence proves otherwise. Your side has been the "hanging judge" towards Joe Paterno, not my side.
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The facts about Paterno is that he knowingly let a child rapist run rampant in his 'backyard', and it took a meager high school coach to do what Paterno was supposed, in order to get Paterno's rapist friend under the thumb of the law.
Since coaches at lower levels show more courage, character, and common sense than Paterno, it is natural for him to be removed from his lofty status and job, and taken off the big ten trophy, because honors like that are reserved for the greatest of the great. There are too many people in the field that are of higher character and of greater courage than he, for him to retain those lofty honors.
After all, why would a guy deserve such honor, if he displays none himself?
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How about you try answering the question, genius? I'm not going to wade through 500+ posts of your incoherent rambling to try to infer whether or not you actually went to college at Penn St. But then again, your hackneyed response tells me all I need to know about your "affiliation" with the university.
What happened to your beloved Phillies avatar? Wait, 3, 2, 1...you're gonna tell us all what a tough, thick-skinned Philadelphian you are...even though nothing you ever post makes any sense whatsoever. >>
Ya know what makes less sense than posts that don't make "any sense whatsoever", is reading all those posts that don't make any sense.
Now please stay on topic. >>
I'll take that as a "No, you didn't attend Penn St" as you refuse to answer the question. And you're right, it wouldn't make much sense to read through all those posts that don't make much sense, like you said "less sense" than "any sense whatsoever."
My question is germane to the conversation because you seem to be defending Penn St's and Paterno's handling of the situation. I think it's pretty clear there was a real lack of leadership shown by both parties. I agree Penn St is a good school, but this will be a blemish on their reputation for some time to come. Paterno was a legend in college football, but I (and he--by his own admission) wish he had done more to stop these horrible crimes.
Looks like McQueary put a stop to what he witnessed. Will be interesting as more information is revealed.
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Appears to be spin control to me. Did he secure the boy and make sure he was safe and returned to his guardian/parent? Did he call the police? If he supposedly "stopped" this, then why did he leave that detail out in the grand jury testimony?
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“She met him through the school district; she was interested in the law,” the mother said. >>
Can this get any more bizarre???
On tonight’s episode of Rock Center with Brian Williams Bob Costas conducted a phone interview with Jerry Sandusky, the Penn State coach who was recently indicted for molesting young boys during his time as a coach. It was the first time Sandusky has spoken to anyone publicly since the allegations surfaced last week.
Here is the complete transcript of the interview, including a brief segment in the middle in which Sandusky’s attorney Joseph Amendola answered questions. (Amendola was present in the studio with Costas for his portion of the interview.)
Bob Costas: Mr. Sandusky there’s a 40-count indictment, the grand jury report contains specific detail, there are multiple accusers, multiple eye-witnesses to various aspects of the abuse – a reasonable person says, “where there’s this much smoke, there must be plenty of fire.” What do you say?
Jerry Sandusky: I say that I am innocent of those charges.
Costas: Innocent? Completely innocent and falsely accused in every aspect?
Sandusky: Well, I could say that, you know, I have done some of those things. I have horsed around with kids, I have showered after workouts. I have hugged them and I have touched their leg without intent of sexual contact, but, um so if you look at it that way, there are things that would be accurate.
Costas: Are you denying that you had any inappropriate sexual contact with any of these underage boys?
Sandusky: Yes I am.
Costas: Never touched their genitals? Never engaged in oral sex?
Sandusky: Right.
Costas: What about Mike McQueary, the grad assistant who in 2002 walked into the shower where he says, in specific detail, that you were forcibly raping a boy who appeared to be 10 or 11 years old? That his hands were up against the shower wall and he heard rhythmic “slap, slap, slap, slapping” sounds – and he described that as a rape?
Sandusky: I would say that that’s false.
Costas: What would be his motive to lie?
Sandusky: You’d have to ask him that.
Costas: What did happen in the shower the night that Mike McQueary happened upon you and the young boy?
Sandusky: Okay, we were showering and horsing around and he actually turned all the showers on and was actually sliding across the floor and, as I recall, possibly like snapping a towel in horseplay.
Costas: In 1998 a mother confronts you about taking a shower with her son and inappropriately touching him. Two detectives ease dropped on her conversations with you and you admit that “maybe your private parts touched her son.” What happened there?
Sandusky: Well I can’t exactly recall what was said there. In terms of what I did say was that if he felt that way then I was wrong.
Costas: During one of those conversations you said, “I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness,” speaking now with the mother, “I know I won’t get it from you. I wish I were dead.” A guy falsely accused or a guy whose actions have been misinterpreted doesn’t respond that way does he?
Sandusky: I don’t know. I didn’t say to my recollection that I wish I were dead. I was hopeful that we could reconcile things.
Costas: Shortly after that in 2000 a janitor said that he saw you performing oral sex on a young boy in the showers in the Penn State locker facility. Did that happen?
Sandusky: No.
Costas: How could somebody think they saw something as extreme and shocking as that when it hadn’t occurred, and what would possibly be their motivation to fabricate it?
Sandusky: You’d have to ask them.
Costas: It seems that if all of these accusations are false, you are the unluckiest and most persecuted man that any of us has ever heard about.
Sandusky: I don’t know what you want me to say. I don’t think that these have been the best days of my life.
^ Jerry Sandusky’s attorney Joseph Amendola
Costas (narrating): Sandusky’s attorney Joseph Amendola insists the charges filed by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania listing eight victims will not hold up.
Costas: You said a few days ago, “much more is going to come out in our defense.” In broad terms, what?
Joseph Amendola: We expect we’re going to have a number of kids – now how many of those so-called eight kids we’re not sure – but we anticipate we’re going to have at least several of those kids come forward and say this never happened, this is me, this is the allegation, and it never occurred. In fact, one of the toughest allegations – the McQueary allegations – what McQueary said he saw, we have information that that child says that never happened. Now grown up.
Costas: Until now we were told that that alleged victim could not be identified. You have identified him?
Amendola: We think we have.
Costas: So you found him, the Commonwealth has not?
Amendola: Yeah. Interesting, isn’t it?
Costas: Would you allow your own children to be alone with your client?
Amendola: Absolutely. I believe in Jerry’s innocence. Quite honestly Bob, that’s why I’m involved in the case.
Costas: You believe in his innocence? Not just that you can mitigate his guilt, you believe in his innocence.
Amendola: I believe in his innocence.
Costas (narrating): Meanwhile, the man who helped Jo Paterno win national championships is now at the center of a scandal that’s brought his old boss down.
Costas: To your knowledge did Jo Paterno have any information regarding objectionable activities on your part prior to that report in 2002?
Sandusky: I can’t totally answer that question, my answer would be, “no.”
Costas: Did Jo Paterno at any time ever speak to you directly about your behavior?
Sandusky: No.
Costas: Never?
Sandusky: No.
Costas: He never asked you about what you might have done?
Sandusky: No.
Costas: He never asked you if you needed help, if you needed counseling?
Sandusky: No.
Costas: Never expressed disapproval of any kind?
Sandusky: No.
Costas: How do you feel about what has happened to Penn State and to Jo Paterno and to the Penn State football program and your part in it?
Sandusky: How would think that I would feel about a University that I attended, about people that I’ve worked with, about people that I care so much about. How do you think that I would feel about it? I feel horrible.
Costas: You feel horrible. Do you feel culpable?
Sandusky: I’m not sure I know what you mean.
Costas: Do you feel guilty? Do you feel as if it’s your fault?
Sandusky: No, I don’t think it’s my fault. I obviously played a part in this.
Costas: How would you define the part you played? What are you willing to concede that you’ve done that was wrong and that you wish you had not done it?
Sandusky: Well, in retrospect, I shouldn’t have showered with those kids.
Costas: That’s it?
Sandusky: Yeah, well I mean, that’s what hits me the most.
Costas: Are you a pedophile?
Sandusky: No.
Costas: Are you sexually attracted to young boys, to underage boys?
Sandusky: Am I sexually attracted to underage boys? Sexually attracted? No. You know, I enjoy young people. I love to be around them, but no, I’m not sexually attracted to young boys.
Costas: Obviously you are entitled to a presumption of innocence, and you’ll receive a vigorous defense. On the other hand, there is a tremendous amount of information out there and fair-minded, common sense people have concluded that you are guilty of monstrous acts. And they are particularly unforgiving with the type of crimes that have been alleged here. And so, millions of Americans who didn’t know Jerry Sandusky’s name until a week ago now regard you not only as a criminal, but I say this I think in a considered way, but as some sort of monster. How do you respond to them?
Sandusky: I don’t know what I can say or what I could say that would make anybody feel any different now. I would just say that if somehow people could hang on until my attorney has a chance to fight, you know, for my innocence, that’s about all I could ask right now. You know, obviously it’s a huge challenge.
Costas was the only guy sporting a chubby during that interview.
I understand that it was supposed to be just the lawyer, but he offered up a phoner with Sandusky at the last minute.
I'll bet Costas had to change his shorts.
But my guess is that he walks away scott free from all this. They have to prove his guilt, and I just
don't think they can do that. A massive cover up will take place.
I don't even think this rift between McQueary and Sandusky matters. Sandusky has to be proven
guilty, and that just ain't going to happen.
If OJ wasn't proven guilty, then Sandusky's case isn't even going to come close.
<< <i>Why do you have to copy and paste everything? People do know how to click on links. >>
Because conservatives aren't lazy like most liberals, that's why!
<< <i>I know that 99% of society feels this Sandusky is a strange dude, and guilty of all charges.
But my guess is that he walks away scott free from all this. They have to prove his guilt, and I just
don't think they can do that. A massive cover up will take place.
I don't even think this rift between McQueary and Sandusky matters. Sandusky has to be proven
guilty, and that just ain't going to happen.
If OJ wasn't proven guilty, then Sandusky's case isn't even going to come close. >>
I understand the comparison between OJ, and that is a good comparison...but I think the better comparison is with Michael Jackson who not only in my opinion was guilty of basically the same behavior as Sandusky, but Jackson was actually more prolific...and Jackson rather than being disgraced for the most part, actually continued to be popular with those who admired and adored him so much.
The late Michael Jackson and Jerry Sandusky are both perverted diseases in my opinion, and both should have been equally disgraced. Unfortunately in some cases, our legal system benefits those who have the most money and connections, rather than justice being served.
The only thing I remember him saying was that kids slept in the bed with him, and that he didn't think it was a big deal.
I think any adult who sleeps in the bed with a child (other then his own), or takes a shower with any child, is
living a very strange life, and I would be highly suspicious of anyone who did this.
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<< <i>I didn't follow the MJ stuff. Was he accused of the same stuff ?
The only thing I remember him saying was that kids slept in the bed with him, and that he didn't think it was a big deal.
I think any adult who sleeps in the bed with a child (other then his own), or takes a shower with any child, is
living a very strange life, and I would be highly suspicious of anyone who did this. >>
I read where Jackson paid off that one woman and her young son, big time...close to around 10 million it was reported, so as to not pursue charges against him...and from what I recall he paid off others as well. I have no interest in bashing a guy who recently died even though I think Michael Jackson was a despicable child pervert...but in my view the comparison shows the liberal hypocrisy out there today, which is also evident in a number of comments in this thread towards Joe Paterno. Not trying to make the thread political, but this hypocrisy needs to be pointed out to understand how it appears that Joe Paterno may have been railroaded.
An assistant Penn State football coach on administrative leave says in an email that he stopped Jerry Sandusky's alleged sexual attack on a young boy in the showers.
In the email, obtained by several media outlets, Mike McQueary also says he had "discussions with police and with the official at the university in charge of police" after stopping the alleged attack.
The email was written to a former classmate, according to The Morning Call, a newspaper based in Allentown, Pennsylvania.
In it, McQueary wrote that he "is getting hammered for handling this the right way or what I thought at the time was right," according to the paper.
The wide receivers coach was placed on indefinite administrative leave last Friday and told not to attend Saturday's game against Nebraska out of fear for his own safety and based on threats made against him.
McQueary has come under increasing scrutiny and is seen as a key witness in the child sex-abuse case against Sandusky after grand jury testimony in which he said he witnessed the former Penn State defensive coordinator raping a boy he thought was around 10 years old.
According to the grand jury report -- in which he is identified as a graduate assistant -- McQueary left after seeing the alleged attack and later reported it to head coach Joe Paterno.
McQueary's email would seem to contradict his testimony to the grand jury, which did not mention an attempt to stop the attack.
"I did stop it, not physically, but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room," McQueary said in the email, according to the paper.
McQueary also wrote: "No one can imagine my thoughts or wants to be in my shoes for those 30-45 seconds. Trust me."
Sandusky spoke publicly for the first time since being charged with 40 counts of various sexual crimes against children, telling NBC's Bob Costas on Monday that he was innocent of the charges.
In a telephone interview, Sandusky claimed he "horsed around" with children, showered with them after workouts, hugged them and touched their legs, but did so "without intent of sexual contact."
On Tuesday, McQueary spoke briefly with a "CBS Evening News" reporter and said his emotions were "all over the place." He compared himself and his situation to a shaken snow globe.
Paterno, who had coached Penn State since 1966, and school president Graham Spanier are among the school leaders who have lost their jobs in the scandal.
Penn State athletic director Tim Curley and Gary Schultz, who oversaw the school's police department, were charged with perjury in the case and both stepped down from their positions.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2011/11/15/reports-mcqueary-says-stopped-attack/#ixzz1dp710kLe
I'm still absorbing all the facts and evidence, and McQuery could be lying. I would like to see some polygraph tests done on some of these people. In any event, if Joe Paterno is shown to be totally innocent, I just hope some of the haters and hanging judges out there towards Joe Paterno will publicly apologize...but I now they probably won't, because liberal haters are usually unrepentant.
If you can't discuss this without throwing in the "your side" "my side" "liberals" "conservatives", et al then please stop posting.
I’ve asked everyone to keep this apolitical and these comments aren’t a way around that request.
Carol