<< <i>LOL. Moment of silence for the preseller pukes. What a beat down. >>
The lowest prices for sets will be 2-4 days after they get in hand >>
Really you think so? Though the first ones out of the gate are the weakest hands, that I agree. This whole presell nonsense is a big joke, half the sales won't even be consummated or won't be what the buyer expected.
Paladin sounds like a candidate for the Preseller Hall of Fame> Cause preselling is a right on ebay - whether you deliver the product or not is totally up to you.
I read in a thread somewhere (maybe here?) that someone from the Mint had said orders placed before 7:30pm would receive the coins. Does seem reasonable really. They were in the 3839'sxxx around 6:30pm if I recall correctly. I finally got an order in around then, and ours is in "process" now.
Maybe it has been said, but just consider just how many weborders got as far as getting an order number then failed at some other point. Happened to me several times. I had one try at the "order review" stage for over an hour all ready to go, then accidently closed the window!!
So if the first numbers were 38324xxx or so, and 75,000 orders took place to around 6:30 or thereabouts, just how many of these were duplications but received unique order numbers that were never ultimately used? I suspect a very high number. So if my logic follows, perhaps 1 in 5 attempts actually got thru, and perhaps another 4 got order numbers but failed.
27,000 total orders or so. 4 out of 5 wasted order numbers. So numbers up to about 3842500 very well might have their orders filled. I fell pretty confident even with a 6:30 order. Not to mention failed cards, ordered too many, etc.
The mint web site was messed up. A lot of phantom orders were in their system. Perhaps they were not fast enough eliminating them. So orders before 7:30 PM could well be ok. Who knows.
I'm not convinced the poofing = higher prices. All's it means is they WILL FLOOD the market when in hand, since they can no longer meter out.
Basic laws of economics will prevail once the first few are sold (at moon prices). After the surge, prices will rebound.
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<< <i>It seems I had a few 2008W Gold Buffalo sets "In Process - Backordered" for several months before the Mint said, "Not Available." I don't think they even said, "Sorry."
>>
Bummer!!! Perhaps the best sets ever except for the 10th anniv. AGE Proof Set.
I did have one 2008 W Plat Proof set on B/O for nearly two months and got it. It was great. The day that it arrived for around $1900 the FeeBay BINs were about $4K. The memories... Never know.
<< <i>I'm not convinced the poofing = higher prices. All's it means is they WILL FLOOD the market when in hand, since they can no longer meter out.
Basic laws of economics will prevail once the first few are sold (at moon prices). After the surge, prices will rebound. >>
True, but then, the ones preselling may not be the ones getting their coins in the first batch......presellers count on that as one of the reasons they presell to get the flip done and over. I don't plan to sell until inhand anyway, and I may even delay a little by getting some graded.....I may not hit the peak, but it is what it is.
We are fully aware of the difficulties many of you encountered last week with the release of the American Eagle 25th Anniversary Set. We would like you to know that we have undertaken an aggressive review of how we brought the product to market so we can better serve all of our customers in the future. Dick Peterson, the Deputy Director of the United States Mint, has also directed that the bureau review all future product offerings to ensure that we apply to them the lessons we learned from the marketing of the American Eagle 25th Anniversary Set. One of the principal sources of frustration was our web and phone order-taking system. As many of you know, we are in the process of updating our order management system. Our current system is very outdated and we recognize that it does not serve our customers well. Accordingly, we recently selected a contractor that will develop and implement our new system–one that will be modern and comparable to other top-rated retail Web sites. Unfortunately, this transition will take some time; we are anticipating that the new system will be in place by fall 2012. Our aim is to work earnestly to ensure that the inconvenience and frustration that our regular customers may have encountered last week is mitigated in 2012 as we re-examine our product launch strategies and systems. We value our relationship with you and are committed to serving you professionally and responsively. You deserve no less! The United States Mint >>
Great to hear, but it does not help those of us who called many hundreds of times and spent over five hours on the computer trying to order w/no luck.
As to how they can do a better job w/future offerings...perhaps they can just read this forum and they'll know exactly what to expect!
We are fully aware of the difficulties many of you encountered last week with the release of the American Eagle 25th Anniversary Set. We would like you to know that we have undertaken an aggressive review of how we brought the product to market so we can better serve all of our customers in the future. Dick Peterson, the Deputy Director of the United States Mint, has also directed that the bureau review all future product offerings to ensure that we apply to them the lessons we learned from the marketing of the American Eagle 25th Anniversary Set. One of the principal sources of frustration was our web and phone order-taking system. As many of you know, we are in the process of updating our order management system. Our current system is very outdated and we recognize that it does not serve our customers well. Accordingly, we recently selected a contractor that will develop and implement our new system–one that will be modern and comparable to other top-rated retail Web sites. Unfortunately, this transition will take some time; we are anticipating that the new system will be in place by fall 2012. Our aim is to work earnestly to ensure that the inconvenience and frustration that our regular customers may have encountered last week is mitigated in 2012 as we re-examine our product launch strategies and systems. We value our relationship with you and are committed to serving you professionally and responsively. You deserve no less! The United States Mint >>
email sent to the email address on record with the mint for each account holder
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
We are fully aware of the difficulties many of you encountered last week with the release of the American Eagle 25th Anniversary Set. We would like you to know that we have undertaken an aggressive review of how we brought the product to market so we can better serve all of our customers in the future. Dick Peterson, the Deputy Director of the United States Mint, has also directed that the bureau review all future product offerings to ensure that we apply to them the lessons we learned from the marketing of the American Eagle 25th Anniversary Set. One of the principal sources of frustration was our web and phone order-taking system. As many of you know, we are in the process of updating our order management system. Our current system is very outdated and we recognize that it does not serve our customers well. Accordingly, we recently selected a contractor that will develop and implement our new system–one that will be modern and comparable to other top-rated retail Web sites. Unfortunately, this transition will take some time; we are anticipating that the new system will be in place by fall 2012. Our aim is to work earnestly to ensure that the inconvenience and frustration that our regular customers may have encountered last week is mitigated in 2012 as we re-examine our product launch strategies and systems. We value our relationship with you and are committed to serving you professionally and responsively. You deserve no less! The United States Mint >>
I think the email went out in reverse order of when you will receive your set(s). Ie.....the first to get it won't get their sets until the end. The last to get the email are almost ready to receive their sets.
<< <i>I think the email went out in reverse order of when you will receive your set(s). Ie.....the first to get it won't get their sets until the end. The last to get the email are almost ready to receive their sets. >>
Hope we're near the end of the list...just got mine.
quit watching ship date it means nothing. Keep your eye on the cancel box, when it disappears you need to be on the lookout for UPS.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
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"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
<< <i>I think the email went out in reverse order of when you will receive your set(s). Ie.....the first to get it won't get their sets until the end. The last to get the email are almost ready to receive their sets. >>
Hope we're near the end of the list...just got mine. >>
Until I see some shipments go out, especially 5 set sealed boxes, the US Mint could do anything.
With apology emails flying and bad press around the sale of these, I still don't think we can count out a last minute change, order reduction scenario.
Comments
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<< <i>check this listing avoiding presale.
ebay listing >>
Seller: stoogeclassics!! I literally chuckled out loud! What are the odds it still gets pulled? >>
They are probably done pulling listings for today as they have left nothing that is going to sell today. >>
I guess I was wrong. Only 5 left now.
<< <i>LOL. Moment of silence for the preseller pukes. What a beat down. >>
Wow.
Quick ebay search for "25th American Silver eagle 5 coin set" shows only 4 listings.
That's a massacre.
<< <i>LOL. Moment of silence for the preseller pukes. What a beat down. >>
The lowest prices for sets will be 2-4 days after they get in hand
<< <i>
<< <i>LOL. Moment of silence for the preseller pukes. What a beat down. >>
The lowest prices for sets will be 2-4 days after they get in hand >>
Really you think so? Though the first ones out of the gate are the weakest hands, that I agree. This whole presell nonsense is a big joke, half the sales won't even be consummated or won't be what the buyer expected.
Ahnold's reaction to ebay's heavy handed approach to the presellers:
Ahnold's comments
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary."
~ Vince Lombardi
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<< <i>LOL. Moment of silence for the preseller pukes. What a beat down. >>
The lowest prices for sets will be 2-4 days after they get in hand >>
Not sure - I sold my APMEX pucks on a 3 day auction as soon they arrived. Hit the sweet spot - $2700 for a raw set.
<< <i>Ahnold's reaction to ebay's heavy handed approach to the presellers:
Ahnold's comments >>
Paladin sounds like a candidate for the Preseller Hall of Fame> Cause preselling is a right on ebay - whether you deliver the product or not is totally up to you.
<< <i>
<< <i>LOL. Moment of silence for the preseller pukes. What a beat down. >>
Wow.
Quick ebay search for "25th American Silver eagle 5 coin set" shows only 4 listings.
That's a massacre. >>
That is cool now the sets will go crazy to the moon......
Hoard the keys.
I read in a thread somewhere (maybe here?) that someone from the Mint had said orders placed before 7:30pm would receive the coins. Does seem reasonable really. They were in the 3839'sxxx around 6:30pm if I recall correctly. I finally got an order in around then, and ours is in "process" now.
Maybe it has been said, but just consider just how many weborders got as far as getting an order number then failed at some other point. Happened to me several times. I had one try at the "order review" stage for over an hour all ready to go, then accidently closed the window!!
So if the first numbers were 38324xxx or so, and 75,000 orders took place to around 6:30 or thereabouts, just how many of these were duplications but received unique order numbers that were never ultimately used? I suspect a very high number. So if my logic follows, perhaps 1 in 5 attempts actually got thru, and perhaps another 4 got order numbers but failed.
27,000 total orders or so. 4 out of 5 wasted order numbers. So numbers up to about 3842500 very well might have their orders filled. I fell pretty confident even with a 6:30 order. Not to mention failed cards, ordered too many, etc.
<< <i>#3840******7:18 PM.....in process expected to ship 11/18......
Still on backorder!!!
Box of 20
Lots of weak hands holding these at the moment. There will be quite a shakeout when these hit mailboxes.
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<< <i>
<< <i>LOL. Moment of silence for the preseller pukes. What a beat down. >>
Wow.
Quick ebay search for "25th American Silver eagle 5 coin set" shows only 4 listings.
That's a massacre. >>
That is cool now the sets will go crazy to the moon......
Ebay rubbed out over 270 auction listings in the last 3 hours .. just 32 remain.. must haved realized the con
Basic laws of economics will prevail once the first few are sold (at moon prices). After the surge, prices will rebound.
<< <i>It seems I had a few 2008W Gold Buffalo sets "In Process - Backordered" for several months before the Mint said, "Not Available." I don't think they even said, "Sorry."
Bummer!!! Perhaps the best sets ever except for the 10th anniv. AGE Proof Set.
I did have one 2008 W Plat Proof set on B/O for nearly two months and got it. It was great. The day that it arrived for around $1900 the FeeBay BINs were about $4K. The memories... Never know.
<< <i>I'm not convinced the poofing = higher prices. All's it means is they WILL FLOOD the market when in hand, since they can no longer meter out.
Basic laws of economics will prevail once the first few are sold (at moon prices). After the surge, prices will rebound. >>
True, but then, the ones preselling may not be the ones getting their coins in the first batch......presellers count on that as one of the reasons they presell to get the flip done and over.
I don't plan to sell until inhand anyway, and I may even delay a little by getting some graded.....I may not hit the peak, but it is what it is.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>Another Mint Apology:
Dear United States Mint Customers:
We are fully aware of the difficulties many of you encountered last week with the release of the
American Eagle 25th Anniversary Set. We would like you to know that we have undertaken an
aggressive review of how we brought the product to market so we can better serve all of our
customers in the future. Dick Peterson, the Deputy Director of the United States Mint, has also
directed that the bureau review all future product offerings to ensure that we apply to them the
lessons we learned from the marketing of the American Eagle 25th Anniversary Set. One of the
principal sources of frustration was our web and phone order-taking system. As many of you
know, we are in the process of updating our order management system. Our current system
is very outdated and we recognize that it does not serve our customers well. Accordingly,
we recently selected a contractor that will develop and implement our new system–one that
will be modern and comparable to other top-rated retail Web sites. Unfortunately, this transition
will take some time; we are anticipating that the new system will be in place by fall 2012.
Our aim is to work earnestly to ensure that the inconvenience and frustration that our
regular customers may have encountered last week is mitigated in 2012 as we re-examine
our product launch strategies and systems. We value our relationship with you and are
committed to serving you professionally and responsively. You deserve no less!
The United States Mint >>
Great to hear, but it does not help those of us who called many hundreds of times and spent over five hours on the computer trying to order w/no luck.
As to how they can do a better job w/future offerings...perhaps they can just read this forum and they'll know exactly what to expect!
<< <i>Another Mint Apology:
Dear United States Mint Customers:
We are fully aware of the difficulties many of you encountered last week with the release of the
American Eagle 25th Anniversary Set. We would like you to know that we have undertaken an
aggressive review of how we brought the product to market so we can better serve all of our
customers in the future. Dick Peterson, the Deputy Director of the United States Mint, has also
directed that the bureau review all future product offerings to ensure that we apply to them the
lessons we learned from the marketing of the American Eagle 25th Anniversary Set. One of the
principal sources of frustration was our web and phone order-taking system. As many of you
know, we are in the process of updating our order management system. Our current system
is very outdated and we recognize that it does not serve our customers well. Accordingly,
we recently selected a contractor that will develop and implement our new system–one that
will be modern and comparable to other top-rated retail Web sites. Unfortunately, this transition
will take some time; we are anticipating that the new system will be in place by fall 2012.
Our aim is to work earnestly to ensure that the inconvenience and frustration that our
regular customers may have encountered last week is mitigated in 2012 as we re-examine
our product launch strategies and systems. We value our relationship with you and are
committed to serving you professionally and responsively. You deserve no less!
The United States Mint >>
Meant to ask...where did you see this? Thanks!
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
<< <i>
<< <i>Another Mint Apology:
Dear United States Mint Customers:
We are fully aware of the difficulties many of you encountered last week with the release of the
American Eagle 25th Anniversary Set. We would like you to know that we have undertaken an
aggressive review of how we brought the product to market so we can better serve all of our
customers in the future. Dick Peterson, the Deputy Director of the United States Mint, has also
directed that the bureau review all future product offerings to ensure that we apply to them the
lessons we learned from the marketing of the American Eagle 25th Anniversary Set. One of the
principal sources of frustration was our web and phone order-taking system. As many of you
know, we are in the process of updating our order management system. Our current system
is very outdated and we recognize that it does not serve our customers well. Accordingly,
we recently selected a contractor that will develop and implement our new system–one that
will be modern and comparable to other top-rated retail Web sites. Unfortunately, this transition
will take some time; we are anticipating that the new system will be in place by fall 2012.
Our aim is to work earnestly to ensure that the inconvenience and frustration that our
regular customers may have encountered last week is mitigated in 2012 as we re-examine
our product launch strategies and systems. We value our relationship with you and are
committed to serving you professionally and responsively. You deserve no less!
The United States Mint >>
Meant to ask...where did you see this? Thanks! >>
The Mint is sending out emails.
Successful Trades: Swampboy,
<< <i>email sent to the email address on record with the mint for each account holder >>
I didn't get the email.
<< <i>Anyone's ship date remain 11/10 or 11/11 ? >>
I think everyone's shipping date is the same, 11/17
<< <i>
<< <i>email sent to the email address on record with the mint for each account holder >>
I didn't get the email.
Just got it as well.
Ie.....the first to get it won't get their sets until the end. The last to get the email are almost ready to receive their sets.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>I think the email went out in reverse order of when you will receive your set(s).
Ie.....the first to get it won't get their sets until the end. The last to get the email are almost ready to receive their sets. >>
Hope we're near the end of the list...just got mine.
<< <i>
<< <i>Anyone's ship date remain 11/10 or 11/11 ? >>
I think everyone's shipping date is the same, 11/17 >>
My ship dates just changed to 11/18, check yours.
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<< <i>quit watching ship date it means nothing. Keep your eye on the cancel box, when it disappears you need to be on the lookout for UPS. >>
Yup, pretend like those dates don't exist. They shift forward every day. Absolutely meaningless.
NGC 70 Set
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
<< <i>Is this a scam?
NGC 70 Set >>
I wonder how many he sold at this time.
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<< <i>
<< <i>Is this a scam?
NGC 70 Set >>
I wonder how many he sold at this time.
he sold five, look at his history
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
<< <i>
<< <i>I think the email went out in reverse order of when you will receive your set(s).
Ie.....the first to get it won't get their sets until the end. The last to get the email are almost ready to receive their sets. >>
Hope we're near the end of the list...just got mine. >>
Mine was sent at 12:07 a.m. this morning, FWIW.
<< <i>Mine was sent at 12:07 a.m. this morning, FWIW. >>
For a second there, I thought you were talking about the coins ...
Whatever you are, be a good one. ---- Abraham Lincoln
With apology emails flying and bad press around the sale of these, I still
don't think we can count out a last minute change, order reduction scenario.
It could very interesting soon.
Loves me some shiny!
<< <i>quit watching ship date it means nothing. Keep your eye on the cancel box, when it disappears you need to be on the lookout for UPS. >>
First it will change to "In stock and reserved" with cancel box...... and then the cancel box will disappear....That's when to expect shipping