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    I have three sets and none of them are marked up like the obverse on this one. My guess and that's really what it is, 66. I'd really like to see more pictures like these so I can have a better idea of what mine would grade with their little marks on the clear reverse framing edges before I send them all in. I'd also assume this is proof-like. If the reverse alone was graded I'm guessing this would be a 69, or would the marks around the date be sufficient to cause it to grade lower? Thanks for posting.
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    << <i>I have three sets and none of them are marked up like the obverse on this one. My guess and that's really what it is, 66. I'd really like to see more pictures like these so I can have a better idea of what mine would grade with their little marks on the clear reverse framing edges before I send them all in. I'd also assume this is proof-like. If the reverse alone was graded I'm guessing this would be a 69, or would the marks around the date be sufficient to cause it to grade lower? Thanks for posting. >>



    great critic oldfolkie, this coin is 67DMPL. it has some contact marks on obverse with reverse very clean. i got 3 PL and 2 DMPL on this set.
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    my ebay items BST transactions/swaps/giveaways with: Tiny, raycyca,mrpaseo, Dollar2007,Whatafind, Boom, packers88, DBSTrader2, 19Lyds, Mar327, pontiacinf, ElmerFusterpuck.
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    I would have graded the GC 65 and the hotspring 68
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    I had 2 or 3 grade very low 65`s and 66`s that had scratches on GW`s head that I did not see before I sent them, in still can`t believe i missed that.
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    << <i>I would have graded the GC 65 and the hotspring 68 >>



    you forgot the letters PL or DMPL
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    goldbuffalogoldbuffalo Posts: 618 ✭✭✭
    I got my Army Comm. the other day.

    Couldn't believe how small it was.

    After having these 5ozer's I don't know if 1oz will cut it anymore.


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    On the Hot Springs I'd guess 68DMPL. The little marks in front of ARKANSAS are the kinds of marks I have on a few of mine.
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    the hot springs is ms67DMPL it should be 68 or 69.
    my ebay items BST transactions/swaps/giveaways with: Tiny, raycyca,mrpaseo, Dollar2007,Whatafind, Boom, packers88, DBSTrader2, 19Lyds, Mar327, pontiacinf, ElmerFusterpuck.
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    << <i>I would have graded the GC 65 and the hotspring 68 >>



    you forgot the letters PL or DMPL >>

    DMPL on both sorry
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    edit double post.

    my ebay items BST transactions/swaps/giveaways with: Tiny, raycyca,mrpaseo, Dollar2007,Whatafind, Boom, packers88, DBSTrader2, 19Lyds, Mar327, pontiacinf, ElmerFusterpuck.
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    goldbuffalogoldbuffalo Posts: 618 ✭✭✭


    << <i>here are the pop's in 69 as of 3-12-11:

    Grand Canyon
    504968 MS 1
    506572 PL 0
    506573 DMPL 1
    505103 First Strike MS 103
    506574 First Strike PL 32
    506575 First Strike DMPL 11

    Hot Springs
    504965 MS 0
    506576 PL 0
    506577 DMPL 0
    505100 First Strike MS 66
    506578 First Strike PL 46
    506579 First Strike DMPL 35

    Mount Hood
    504969 MS 1
    506580 PL 0
    506581 DMPL 0
    505104 First Strike MS 61
    506582 First Strike PL 54
    506583 First Strike DMPL 19

    Yellowstone
    504966 MS 1
    506584 PL 0
    506585 DMPL 0
    505101 First Strike MS 63
    506586 First Strike PL 61
    506587 First Strike DMPL 6

    Yosemite
    504967 MS 0
    506588 PL 0
    506589 DMPL 0
    505102 First Strike MS 54
    506590 First Strike PL 45
    506591 First Strike DMPL 23 >>



    You can update Grand Canyon, that's the only one I saw until Coin Facts said I had to subscribe.

    Grand Canyon

    505103 First Strike MS 103 >> 122
    506574 First Strike PL 32 >> 48
    506575 First Strike DMPL 11 >> 34


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    clackamasclackamas Posts: 5,615
    Gawd these coins bring out the crazzies on Ebay. I got a frantic, raving lunatic, ebay user ID "resignplease" emailing me that I am fraudulent on my auctions because I block out the cert #'s and that he can't verify the coin. I used stock photos - How about a nice email asking it instead of accusing - 100% positive feedback by me with 1588 feedback, recent feedback on the pucks where do these loons come from Blocked -
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    Just be glad he didn't buy it.
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    PinkFloydPinkFloyd Posts: 1,762
    There surely has been declining interest in these, however, I'd make the following assertions--

    -Coins at AP prices are still wildly popular. They are essentially selling close to spot (not going to the math, but it's close). I can deduce this from 2 hrs of busy signals while trying to call CNT last Tuesday. I know many on these boards dealt with the same frustrations.

    -Personally, I feel that there has been a crowd all along waiting for secondary prices to reach bottom before buying.

    -Wide range of grades. Is it just me or is the range of grades given on these is surprisingly wide for a modern issue? I've seen anything from 62-69 with PL/DMPL. To me, this means that we may have a more limited number of coins in high grades than is normal for moderns.

    -We now know with some certainty that the 2011 bullion issues will be minted in much higher mintages. Of course, some things in the future remain to be seen: namely silver spot prices, the Mint's ability to get planchets, etc.

    -Timeline for shakeout. The Mint has essentially given us a timeline for sales in the shorterm. I can't see why APs would continue to hold onto the 2010 ATBs past late April, as the 2011 releases should mean higher profits for them (ability to sell in quantity, etc).
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    pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Gawd these coins bring out the crazzies on Ebay. I got a frantic, raving lunatic, ebay user ID "resignplease" emailing me that I am fraudulent on my auctions because I block out the cert #'s and that he can't verify the coin. I used stock photos - How about a nice email asking it instead of accusing - 100% positive feedback by me with 1588 feedback, recent feedback on the pucks where do these loons come from Blocked - >>






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    how much would a PCGS FS PL69 graded ATB coin set me back?
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    << <i>how much would a PCGS FS PL69 graded ATB coin set me back? >>

    Advertised at $4495 at MCM
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    << <i>how much would a PCGS FS PL69 graded ATB coin set me back? >>

    Advertised at $4495 at MCM >>

    But since you ask how much (a) (1) PCGS FS PL69 graded coin set you back.. That would be from $500 to $2500 probably. The $4495 was for a set of PL69 coins
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    Thanks and I apologize for a poorly worded question. The cost for one coin and set is very helpful information.
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    << <i>epcjimi1 - Come on now ... I wanted to quote you in my discussions today with potential buyers!! image

    Jessewvu - Why would you want to cancel the auctions closing tomorrow?

    Wondercoin >>




    I saw the DMPL 69 Grand Canyon FS sold for $1,407.
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    don129don129 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>epcjimi1 - Come on now ... I wanted to quote you in my discussions today with potential buyers!! image

    Jessewvu - Why would you want to cancel the auctions closing tomorrow?

    Wondercoin >>




    I saw the DMPL 69 Grand Canyon FS sold for $1,407. >>



    I had my last PCGS Yellowstone MS69PL FS on eBay last week for $899 with Make an offer.... didn't sell.
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    carew4mecarew4me Posts: 3,467 ✭✭✭✭
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    MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,317 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Sealed AMARK sets commanding a premium? >>



    Yes, why not!!? As the cherry picking continues and the Sealed/ un-searched sets decrease, for a period of time, as in the past with other Mint issues,

    the original, fresh sets will command a premium. Thanks for the link carew4me.

    For those searching diligently for those few fresh UHR's, how do you rank the Sealed FS PL potential coins still out there, hiding in quiet and unassuming hands?

    And how many of you still hold Sealed UHR's?......... I do!

    Miles
    Now riding the swell in PM's and surf.
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    MaineJimMaineJim Posts: 743 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Sealed AMARK sets commanding a premium? >>



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    I had to open mine...couldn't resist. All look great. I'm just holding them as is unless something crazy happens.

    Maine_Jim
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    don129don129 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>Sealed AMARK sets commanding a premium? >>



    Yes, why not!!? As the cherry picking continues and the Sealed/ un-searched sets decrease, for a period of time, as in the past with other Mint issues,

    the original, fresh sets will command a premium. Thanks for the link carew4me.

    For those searching diligently for those few fresh UHR's, how do you rank the Sealed FS PL potential coins still out there, hiding in quiet and unassuming hands?

    And how many of you still hold Sealed UHR's?......... I do!

    Miles >>



    I just sent in my MS70FS UHR for regrading. After seeing what a real PL UHR looks like, I think I wasted my time and money,
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    RaufusRaufus Posts: 6,784 ✭✭✭✭✭
    $495 for a PCGS 69 DMPL Yos?????

    Says 69 DMPL in listing but BU pictured. What's the deal.

    Wish that I'd have seen it. If it is a 69 DMPL it's a steal. If a BU back it would go.

    ??
    Land of the Free because of the Brave!
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    RaufusRaufus Posts: 6,784 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>We presently have 110 ATB auctions some of which are NGC but most are PCGS. Normally we wouldn't have so many up at once but this entire ATB fiasco has presented challenges for everyone involved. As daily buyers and sellers of coins, our strategy has always been to sell regardless of the market, in other words we don't hold back because prices have dropped. This often presents opportunities for savvy buyers. I can tell you that what we have on eBay is only a portion of our ATB inventory, we aren't just "dumping" it all by any means. In my opinion it all gets back to poor planning, a lack of accurate and timely information, and regulation of AP's in a free trade market that was the primary factor in creating the disorderly market. Am I blaming the U.S. Mint? Not entirely, but ultimately they make the product and the rules. They surprised everyone by making too few, and then told the distributors how to sell them. If they were dealers or collectors they may have been able to anticipate the problems that would follow but they are not, they are an agency, and they do many things extremely well but in my opinion this wasn't one of them. I don't understand why there isn't a panel of hobby/industry consultants that are asked to contibute insight in situations like this. It would not make for a perfect world but it would certainly help.

    John >>



    Hi John-

    Thanks so much for your note. Being that you are such a major force in Moderns, it's very kind of you to keep us so well informed. I'm sure that I speak for many on the forum in extending my thanks for this. I think that this is part of the reason that you and your firm have such a very well deserved stellar reputation.

    In suggested a panel such as that which you describe to both the ATB Program Director and to a senior person in Public Affairs. It seemed to go in one ear and out the other. Even when offered help it is turned down.

    Best, R-

    Land of the Free because of the Brave!
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    The Modercoinmart ebay auction onslaught has begun. Crazy low prices happening as I write this. Many PCGS MS69 PL's sold for under $500.
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    Batman23Batman23 Posts: 4,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A set just sold on Teletrade for $1600 with a second set still "pending". Well see if it actually realizes a price...
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    I thought prices held up pretty good on ebay for as many that sold some of the latter ones brought more than the first, but this happens when 2 people wait thinking they will get cheaper.
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    RaufusRaufus Posts: 6,784 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A PCGS ms69PL set sold for around $2600 (to think a PCGS MS69 Yos brought $3600 not long ago).

    Several PCGS MS69PLs in the low $400s.

    A very good night to buy.

    Wow.

    Also, there are very few NGCs up. The total opposite of a few weeks ago. The PCGS DMPL must be just killing NGC.
    Land of the Free because of the Brave!
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    My bids, for the most part, were blown to the wayside on just about all of the MCM auctions. A lot of last second bidding going on. At least I was able to get the one coin I really wanted, a Grand Canyon MS69PL but I had to pay above $600 and it was a fight to get one! Messed up a couple times rushing to raise my bids at the last second. DOH!

    It will be interesting to see if this was the major bargain hunting opportunity I thought it was or not. I wouldn't expect to see that many coins of the same grade and type offered all at once any time again soon but who knows?



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    PinkFloydPinkFloyd Posts: 1,762
    Prices generally held up a little better than I anticipated during the MCM sales today. Lots of folks were watching these.
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    Batman23Batman23 Posts: 4,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looking at the MCM final Ebay prices I note the following:

    PCGS Sets:
    69DMPL… $6318, $7211
    69PL… $2805, $2909, $2869
    68DMPL… $1985, $1803, $1881, $1950, $1950
    68PL… $1651, $1704, $1725
    GEM BU… @ $1500

    PCGS Singles:
    Yosemite 69DMPL…$1250, $1200, $1025, $1125, $1076, $1045
    Hot Springs 69DMPL…$960, $829, $810, $810
    Mount Hood 69DMPL…$939, $932, $998, $1026, $1001
    Grand Canyon 69DMPL…$1225, $1325, $1250
    Yellowstone 69DMPL…None

    Yosemite 69PL…None
    Hot Springs 69PL…$504, $474, $460, $414
    Mount Hood 69PL…$504, $522, $576, $510
    Grand Canyon 69PL…$611
    Yellowstone 69PL…$495, $535, $504, $560

    Yosemite 68DMPL…$381, $455, $405, $335
    Hot Springs 68DMPL…$330, $326, $308, $385
    Mount Hood 68DMPL…None
    Grand Canyon 68DMPL…None
    Yellowstone 68DMPL…None

    Yosemite 68PL…None
    Hot Springs 68PL…$304, $290, $306
    Mount Hood 68PL…None
    Grand Canyon 68PL…$356, $330, $406
    Yellowstone 68PL…$337, $346, $320
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    Batman23Batman23 Posts: 4,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The "pending" teletrade set just disappeard from the list so it must not have met the reserve.
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    << <i>Looking at the MCM final Ebay prices I note the following:

    PCGS Sets:
    69DMPL… $6318, $7211
    69PL… $2805, $2909, $2869
    68DMPL… $1985, $1803, $1881, $1950, $1950
    68PL… $1651, $1704, $1725
    GEM BU… @ $1500

    PCGS Singles:
    Yosemite 69DMPL…$1250, $1200, $1025, $1125, $1076, $1045
    Hot Springs 69DMPL…$960, $829, $810, $810
    Mount Hood 69DMPL…$939, $932, $998, $1026, $1001
    Grand Canyon 69DMPL…$1225, $1325, $1250
    Yellowstone 69DMPL…None

    Yosemite 69PL…None
    Hot Springs 69PL…$504, $474, $460, $414
    Mount Hood 69PL…$504, $522, $576, $510
    Grand Canyon 69PL…$611
    Yellowstone 69PL…$495, $535, $504, $560

    Yosemite 68DMPL…$381, $455, $405, $335
    Hot Springs 68DMPL…$330, $326, $308, $385
    Mount Hood 68DMPL…None
    Grand Canyon 68DMPL…None
    Yellowstone 68DMPL…None

    Yosemite 68PL…None
    Hot Springs 68PL…$304, $290, $306
    Mount Hood 68PL…None
    Grand Canyon 68PL…$356, $330, $406
    Yellowstone 68PL…$337, $346, $320 >>



    Thanks! Nice summary
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    << <i>We presently have 110 ATB auctions some of which are NGC but most are PCGS. Normally we wouldn't have so many up at once but this entire ATB fiasco has presented challenges for everyone involved. As daily buyers and sellers of coins, our strategy has always been to sell regardless of the market, in other words we don't hold back because prices have dropped. This often presents opportunities for savvy buyers. I can tell you that what we have on eBay is only a portion of our ATB inventory, we aren't just "dumping" it all by any means. In my opinion it all gets back to poor planning, a lack of accurate and timely information, and regulation of AP's in a free trade market that was the primary factor in creating the disorderly market. Am I blaming the U.S. Mint? Not entirely, but ultimately they make the product and the rules. They surprised everyone by making too few, and then told the distributors how to sell them. If they were dealers or collectors they may have been able to anticipate the problems that would follow but they are not, they are an agency, and they do many things extremely well but in my opinion this wasn't one of them. I don't understand why there isn't a panel of hobby/industry consultants that are asked to contibute insight in situations like this. It would not make for a perfect world but it would certainly help.

    John >>



    Hi John-

    Thanks so much for your note. Being that you are such a major force in Moderns, it's very kind of you to keep us so well informed. I'm sure that I speak for many on the forum in extending my thanks for this. I think that this is part of the reason that you and your firm have such a very well deserved stellar reputation.

    In suggested a panel such as that which you describe to both the ATB Program Director and to a senior person in Public Affairs. It seemed to go in one ear and out the other. Even when offered help it is turned down.

    Best, R- >>



    image I also enjoy hearing the thoughts of the pros like John and Mitch. Makes it easier to buy from someone when you kind of feel like you know them a little, even if it is just from posts on the forum you enjoy.
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    JohnMabenJohnMaben Posts: 957 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for all the kind words and to anyone that was a bidder last night. Nothing went stupid cheap but prices were VERY reasonable, IMO. I had the opposite of buyers remorse with a few people saying they missed their bid and would gladly take items if the buyer did not.

    John

    John Maben
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    RaufusRaufus Posts: 6,784 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looking at the MCM final Ebay prices I note the following:

    PCGS Sets:
    69DMPL… $6318, $7211
    69PL… $2805, $2909, $2869
    68DMPL… $1985, $1803, $1881, $1950, $1950
    68PL… $1651, $1704, $1725
    GEM BU… @ $1500

    PCGS Singles:
    Yosemite 69DMPL…$1250, $1200, $1025, $1125, $1076, $1045
    Hot Springs 69DMPL…$960, $829, $810, $810
    Mount Hood 69DMPL…$939, $932, $998, $1026, $1001
    Grand Canyon 69DMPL…$1225, $1325, $1250
    Yellowstone 69DMPL…None

    Yosemite 69PL…None
    Hot Springs 69PL…$504, $474, $460, $414
    Mount Hood 69PL…$504, $522, $576, $510
    Grand Canyon 69PL…$611
    Yellowstone 69PL…$495, $535, $504, $560

    Yosemite 68DMPL…$381, $455, $405, $335
    Hot Springs 68DMPL…$330, $326, $308, $385
    Mount Hood 68DMPL…None
    Grand Canyon 68DMPL…None
    Yellowstone 68DMPL…None

    Yosemite 68PL…None
    Hot Springs 68PL…$304, $290, $306
    Mount Hood 68PL…None
    Grand Canyon 68PL…$356, $330, $406
    Yellowstone 68PL…$337, $346, $320 >>



    Thanks so much for the great summary!

    Of note, the PCGS MS69PL sets went for less than the lowest NGC 69 w/no PL set that I've seen to date. Interesting turn of events.
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    RegistryCoinRegistryCoin Posts: 5,113 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Also, there are very few NGCs up. The total opposite of a few weeks ago. The PCGS DMPL must be just killing NGC. >>


    Yep. Could it be that the PCGS ATBs are purposefully getting dumped in a certain effort to support the prices of the much larger inventory of NGC ATBs?

    Interesting turn of events?
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    OPAOPA Posts: 17,109 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Breaking news from C.W.

    "Mint to end sales restrictions on ATB bullion." (You need a copy in order to read the entire story)
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
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    jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,532 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Mint to end sales restrictions on ATB bullion." Subscribers can read it online.image

    The APs simply have to "certify" that they fulfilled their agreements. No consequences. The APs can charge whatever prices they want on the new issues. No consequences.

    The Mint will sell all 2010 uncirculated pucks via the Individual Option.

    This program is really getting ugly.
    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
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    mbogomanmbogoman Posts: 5,164 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Breaking news from C.W. "Mint to end sales restrictions on ATB bullion." (You need a copy in order to read the entire story) >>



    That applies to 2011 pucks. The 2010 pucks are still subject to the 2010 rules and restrictions.
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    OPAOPA Posts: 17,109 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The Mint will sell all 2010 uncirculated pucks via the Individual Option. >>



    By the e/o April or beginning in May.
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
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    OPAOPA Posts: 17,109 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The 2010 pucks are still subject to the 2010 rules and restrictions. >>



    Good luck with that
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
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    << <i>Looking at the MCM final Ebay prices I note the following:

    PCGS Sets:
    69DMPL… $6318, $7211
    69PL… $2805, $2909, $2869
    68DMPL… $1985, $1803, $1881, $1950, $1950
    68PL… $1651, $1704, $1725
    GEM BU… @ $1500

    PCGS Singles:
    Yosemite 69DMPL…$1250, $1200, $1025, $1125, $1076, $1045
    Hot Springs 69DMPL…$960, $829, $810, $810
    Mount Hood 69DMPL…$939, $932, $998, $1026, $1001
    Grand Canyon 69DMPL…$1225, $1325, $1250
    Yellowstone 69DMPL…None

    Yosemite 69PL…None
    Hot Springs 69PL…$504, $474, $460, $414
    Mount Hood 69PL…$504, $522, $576, $510
    Grand Canyon 69PL…$611
    Yellowstone 69PL…$495, $535, $504, $560

    Yosemite 68DMPL…$381, $455, $405, $335
    Hot Springs 68DMPL…$330, $326, $308, $385
    Mount Hood 68DMPL…None
    Grand Canyon 68DMPL…None
    Yellowstone 68DMPL…None

    Yosemite 68PL…None
    Hot Springs 68PL…$304, $290, $306
    Mount Hood 68PL…None
    Grand Canyon 68PL…$356, $330, $406
    Yellowstone 68PL…$337, $346, $320 >>



    Thanks! Nice summary >>



    I saw 10 69dmpl coins go for $7100.00, I think it was a separate auction, that is about $3500 per set, so either someone overpaid for their sets or coins for that matter. Most DMPL individual coins where going for over 1k...


    EBAY 69DMPL Two Sets
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    goldbuffalogoldbuffalo Posts: 618 ✭✭✭
    I think the Mint can relax restrictions on 1 per HH for the 2010, but keep the price as is.

    That way these AP's can dump thier supply and it wouldn't benifit those AP's that haven't sold any.


    Cause even the Mint relaxes the 1 Per HH after everyone has had the opportunity to get one and I think everyone has had the opportunity.

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    It is becoming clear to me that the mint will not or can't keep up with this and APMEX will be selling graded 2010 ATB's at some point in quantity. The truth will come out at some point I hope.
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    mbogomanmbogoman Posts: 5,164 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i><< The 2010 pucks are still subject to the 2010 rules and restrictions. >> Good luck with that >>



    Hey, I was just stating the facts. The OP's post wasn't clear about which year's pucks were affected. Whether or not the APs abide by the 2010 rules is a whole 'nuther ball of wax that has been hashed and rehashed on this thread ad nauseum...

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