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  • << <i>What flood gates? Even when the other APs sell, if they stick to 1 HH like Ftrade and MTB seemed to have done they will be in much tighter hands than the GC bulk sale pucks. >>


    Flood Gates = When AP's start sending these out to the masses. I had estimated that there will be approximately 2,000 sets on Ebay through the AP sales to individuals trying to flip these sets. As a side note, individual coin sells seem to have remained steady at over $500 per coin. It is likely that many coin stores, knowing the popularity of this set, throughout the country will try to pick up at least one set from ebay for local resell.


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    << <i>It could be a simple cash flow problem. No doubt it was a cash transaction and I'm sure there was a premium paid to the GC clown so thats alot of money to lay out at one time for all the sets he has, most people don't have that kinda money just laying around. Even at 2x face he's making a nice profit given the volume of sets he has. At least the market will be rid of him fairly soon unless he has even more. >>



    People claimed that sets were purchased in bulk for $1,500/set. >>



    Really?! Then after fees he ain't clearing that much and he's going to get hit with taxes on these sales too. But is anyone gonna cry him a river :> >>



    He'll only get hit for taxes on the Net Profit. He's probably spending about $80/sale. If he sells 100 sets for a average of $420 profit per set, he's making $42,000 while investing only $150,000. That's a great ROI. >>



    More like $110 in Ebay/PP fees and he's not charging for shipping so thats another $20 per on him. I'd say $375 per set average, then a nice little fat tax bill on the profits. Not moon money, but easy money given he didn't have to put much work into selling them.
  • kimber45ACPkimber45ACP Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭


    << <i>he didn't have to put much work into selling them. >>



    But, but he said “The labor expense in handling these things is unbelievable,”. The public has no idea how hard it is to print out a label, stick it on the box
    and throw it in the corner until the UPS guy shows up. Then you have sign a little digital tablet. That can take a lot out of
    a guy.

    Then, if someone walks into the store, you have to walk over to them and ask them what they want.
    Then walk into the back room, get a box, bring it to the counter, take the cash, put it in the register and
    then show them the door.
  • RaufusRaufus Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>What flood gates? Even when the other APs sell, if they stick to 1 HH like Ftrade and MTB seemed to have done they will be in much tighter hands than the GC bulk sale pucks. >>


    Flood Gates = When AP's start sending these out to the masses. I had estimated that there will be approximately 2,000 sets on Ebay through the AP sales to individuals trying to flip these sets. As a side note, individual coin sells seem to have remained steady at over $500 per coin. It is likely that many coin stores, knowing the popularity of this set, throughout the country will try to pick up at least one set from ebay for local resell. >>



    The APs that are actually selling to the masses are doing so in a very staggered manner. The MTB sets are out now, the Ftrade sets likely in a few weeks, DG?, CNT even later, etc. If this pattern holds, once the bulk GC friend ebay sellers sell out I could see the prices going back up.
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  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,824 ✭✭✭✭✭
    But, but he said “The labor expense in handling these things is unbelievable,”. The public has no idea how hard it is to print out a label, stick it on the box
    and throw it in the corner until the UPS guy shows up. Then you have sign a little digital tablet. That can take a lot out of
    a guy.


    I'd love to see how much it can take out of a guy if 4 or 5 agents show up from the Treasury Dept., wanting to verify a few records "as a formality".

    Honestly, if GC keeps their distributor status then there is simply no reason to follow any of the Treasury Dept's rules, is there?image
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  • RichRRichR Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Getting back to the matter at hand...

    I'd be happy to have a SINGLE SET!

    I have checks sent out all over the country and still no coins in hand!

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  • HalfStrikeHalfStrike Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭
    This is a pic of the slab for these off the pcgsblog. It looks to be about an inch slimmer than the NGC which is good.

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  • CakesCakes Posts: 3,629 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Getting back to the matter at hand...

    I'd be happy to have a SINGLE SET!

    I have checks sent out all over the country and still no coins in hand!

    image >>



    Exactly the same problem. I am pretty sure I will get my set from MTB since I did get a sales confirmation but Fidelitrade........who knows.
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  • kimber45ACPkimber45ACP Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭


    << <i>This is a pic of the slab for these off the pcgsblog. It looks to be about an inch slimmer than the NGC which is good.

    image >>


    image best looking slab I've seen


  • << <i>This is a pic of the slab for these off the pcgsblog. It looks to be about an inch slimmer than the NGC which is good.

    image >>


    Thanks. It's unfortunate the slab doesn't show the edge inscription.
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  • RaufusRaufus Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>But, but he said “The labor expense in handling these things is unbelievable,”. The public has no idea how hard it is to print out a label, stick it on the box
    and throw it in the corner until the UPS guy shows up. Then you have sign a little digital tablet. That can take a lot out of
    a guy.


    I'd love to see how much it can take out of a guy if 4 or 5 agents show up from the Treasury Dept., wanting to verify a few records "as a formality".

    Honestly, if GC keeps their distributor status then there is simply no reason to follow any of the Treasury Dept's rules, is there?image >>



    NONE whatsoever! Exactly why I'm just dumbfounded that The Mint has not taken action yet when they've been spoon fed the necessary info.
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  • RaufusRaufus Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>This is a pic of the slab for these off the pcgsblog. It looks to be about an inch slimmer than the NGC which is good.

    image >>


    Thanks. It's unfortunate the slab doesn't show the edge inscription. >>



    Very true!!!
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  • CakesCakes Posts: 3,629 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>This is a pic of the slab for these off the pcgsblog. It looks to be about an inch slimmer than the NGC which is good.

    image >>



    So half is pcgs the way to go and is the first strike the way to go? If I sign up for the Platinum package can I use the 8 submissions toward them/will they pro rate etc. I do see how first strike is not included.

    I am just trying to figure out which company to go with for the best long term value.

    Thanks,
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  • pf70collectorpf70collector Posts: 6,641 ✭✭✭
    Hope the legislation allows for them to get rid of the Washington Portrait later on.
  • goldbuffalogoldbuffalo Posts: 635 ✭✭✭
    Can the edge be seen on that slab? There is writing on edge ya know.

    As for Gold Center. Obviously that guy is messed up. This should give the Mint good reason to dump him.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,022 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>But, but he said “The labor expense in handling these things is unbelievable,”. The public has no idea how hard it is to print out a label, stick it on the box
    and throw it in the corner until the UPS guy shows up. Then you have sign a little digital tablet. That can take a lot out of
    a guy.


    I'd love to see how much it can take out of a guy if 4 or 5 agents show up from the Treasury Dept., wanting to verify a few records "as a formality".

    Honestly, if GC keeps their distributor status then there is simply no reason to follow any of the Treasury Dept's rules, is there?image >>



    NONE whatsoever! Exactly why I'm just dumbfounded that The Mint has not taken action yet when they've been spoon fed the necessary info. >>



    This is why I want people who know about Treasure Hunter Roadshow and Silvertowne to send in info to the Mint.

    Type it up and put your name on it and I'll fax it in to the mint.

    anything.

    just let them know what is going on.
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  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 16,905 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Congratulations to Gyromac from our boards for getting (what I believe to be) the first set of coins into PCGS for grading (which I submitted for him) and Gyromac (Eric W) is personally thanked in the blog now as well. Due to early technology problems with the slabs, etc., there is no way to know for sure whether Gyromac's set (or any one coin) actually got slabbed first though. But, I believe, at least Gyromac can pat himself on the back for getting the very first set in for grading at PCGS. Not to mention the set was graded MS64, MS65, MS66, MS67 and MS68 - a perfect "grading set" for these hockey pucks! Sorry Eric ... just looking for the "silver lining" on these grades. Perhaps a collector out there might like an example of every PCGS grade from MS64 through MS68 image

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  • BigDaddyzBigDaddyz Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭
    Maybe DC, CNT, and others are waiting to see if there's any consequences for GC
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  • << <i>Can the edge be seen on that slab? There is writing on edge ya know.

    As for Gold Center. Obviously that guy is messed up. This should give the Mint good reason to dump him. >>



    If I was the Mint I would just audit him - no doubt he would prove the single HH thing (o/w he is really stupid and/or arrogant) but it would cause him alot of work. That would certainly put the old crumdegeon on a tilt.


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    << <i>This is a pic of the slab for these off the pcgsblog. It looks to be about an inch slimmer than the NGC which is good.

    image >>



    So half is pcgs the way to go and is the first strike the way to go? If I sign up for the Platinum package can I use the 8 submissions toward them/will they pro rate etc. I do see how first strike is not included.

    I am just trying to figure out which company to go with for the best long term value.

    Thanks, >>



    The NGC slabs are so much nicer looking then these with the custom state park labels and the side view gasket. If you are looking to perserve a set for yourself those are the ones I'd go for. PCGS may get more respect in the collectors mine though, but their slabs are butt plain.

    http://www.ngccoin.com/news/viewarticle.aspx?IDArticle=1894
  • RaufusRaufus Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>But, but he said “The labor expense in handling these things is unbelievable,”. The public has no idea how hard it is to print out a label, stick it on the box
    and throw it in the corner until the UPS guy shows up. Then you have sign a little digital tablet. That can take a lot out of
    a guy.


    I'd love to see how much it can take out of a guy if 4 or 5 agents show up from the Treasury Dept., wanting to verify a few records "as a formality".

    Honestly, if GC keeps their distributor status then there is simply no reason to follow any of the Treasury Dept's rules, is there?image >>



    NONE whatsoever! Exactly why I'm just dumbfounded that The Mint has not taken action yet when they've been spoon fed the necessary info. >>



    This is why I want people who know about Treasure Hunter Roadshow and Silvertowne to send in info to the Mint.

    Type it up and put your name on it and I'll fax it in to the mint.

    anything.

    just let them know what is going on. >>



    Thanks very much for offering to do this. I sincerely hope that those with the specific info take you up on you offer. This simply must be dealt with.
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  • jessewvujessewvu Posts: 5,065 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A friend of mine said FideliTrade cashed his check and it cleared his bank on the 11th!!
  • don129don129 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭


    << <i>A friend of mine said FideliTrade cashed his check and it cleared his bank on the 11th!! >>



    I'm still waiting for Fidelitrade and MTB to cash mine! image
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  • MTB cashed my check on the 11th and i have a confirmation number. so i hope that means i get a set...
  • paladinpaladin Posts: 898 ✭✭
    That's exactly what it means. Congrats! image


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  • kimber45ACPkimber45ACP Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>A friend of mine said FideliTrade cashed his check and it cleared his bank on the 11th!! >>



    I'm still waiting for Fidelitrade and MTB to cash mine! image >>



    same here.
  • CoinspongeCoinsponge Posts: 3,927 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Congratulations to Gyromac from our boards for getting (what I believe to be) the first set of coins into PCGS for grading (which I submitted for him) and Gyromac (Eric W) is personally thanked in the blog now as well. Due to early technology problems with the slabs, etc., there is no way to know for sure whether Gyromac's set (or any one coin) actually got slabbed first though. But, I believe, at least Gyromac can pat himself on the back for getting the very first set in for grading at PCGS. Not to mention the set was graded MS64, MS65, MS66, MS67 and MS68 - a perfect "grading set" for these hockey pucks! Sorry Eric ... just looking for the "silver lining" on these grades. Perhaps a collector out there might like an example of every PCGS grade from MS64 through MS68 image

    Wondercoin >>




    You are not pushing for a new "First Slabbed" label on the holders are you? image
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  • RichRRichR Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
    RE the ATB grades...

    I'm going to show my age now, but remember way back in the day (in the 60s and 70s) when anything grading even 65 direct from the Mint was considered a skyrocket?

    I was looking back at some old proof sets from the 50s and 60s the other night...and I just love the little card they included that essentially said, "We checked. They're perfect. And that's not really a scratch you're seeing, so don't send them back to us!"
  • I would like the NGC slab with a PCGS grade. It remains to be seen whether the NGC census is a realistic sampling or a cherrypicked one. If NGC keeps pumping out 69s, the PCGS grade will be much more respected.
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  • kimber45ACPkimber45ACP Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭


    << <i>RE the ATB grades...

    I'm going to show my age now, but remember way back in the day (in the 60s and 70s) when anything grading even 65 direct from the Mint was considered a skyrocket?

    I was looking back at some old proof sets from the 50s and 60s the other night...and I just love the little card they included that essentially said, "We checked. They're perfect. So don't send them back to us!" >>



    I always thought that sound kind of rude.
  • kimber45ACPkimber45ACP Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭


    << <i>the PCGS grade will be much more respected. >>



    as is always the case, IMO.
  • RichRRichR Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
    << the PCGS grade will be much more respected. >>

    <<as is always the case, IMO. >>

    Now now...can't we all just get along?

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  • << <i>I would like the NGC slab with a PCGS grade. It remains to be seen whether the NGC census is a realistic sampling or a cherrypicked one. If NGC keeps pumping out 69s, the PCGS grade will be much more respected. >>



    My APMEX coins have been at NGC since the 27th. We'll have a better idea when I receive my grades... if I receive my grades.
    image
  • FWIW NGC has an early release cutoff date of Jan 21st in their hands which means more then PCGS First Strike which never expires.
  • ProofCollectionProofCollection Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>FWIW NGC has an early release cutoff date of Jan 21st in their hands which means more then PCGS First Strike which never expires. >>



    But since they were all released at the same time, the only meaning to the NGC label is that they were submitted early. Woop De Doo.
  • CoinspongeCoinsponge Posts: 3,927 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>FWIW NGC has an early release cutoff date of Jan 21st in their hands which means more then PCGS First Strike which never expires. >>



    But since they were all released at the same time, the only meaning to the NGC label is that they were submitted early. Woop De Doo. >>




    Agreed. I think coins released in one batch from the Mint should not even be eligible for First Strike or Early Releases labels.
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  • BigDaddyzBigDaddyz Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭
    they are probably just doing it on this batch so they can do all the future ones with a little more integrity.
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  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Congratulations to Gyromac from our boards for getting (what I believe to be) the first set of coins into PCGS for grading (which I submitted for him) and Gyromac (Eric W) is personally thanked in the blog now as well. Due to early technology problems with the slabs, etc., there is no way to know for sure whether Gyromac's set (or any one coin) actually got slabbed first though. But, I believe, at least Gyromac can pat himself on the back for getting the very first set in for grading at PCGS. Not to mention the set was graded MS64, MS65, MS66, MS67 and MS68 - a perfect "grading set" for these hockey pucks! Sorry Eric ... just looking for the "silver lining" on these grades. Perhaps a collector out there might like an example of every PCGS grade from MS64 through MS68 image

    Wondercoin >>




    You are not pushing for a new "First Slabbed" label on the holders are you? image >>





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  • If I ever end up with a set of these, at least 3 or 4 out of five would have to appear close to 69 or i would not consider grading them. Why spend $250+ for 66 and 67s? If your planning on flipping grades of 66 and 67 may bring less than a raw set on ebay.
  • here`s a new ID for the antiques people??? antique10111
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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,022 ✭✭✭✭✭
    does anyone have documents that show coinsantiques is the same people as treasure hunters roadshow?
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  • << <i>If I ever end up with a set of these, at least 3 or 4 out of five would have to appear close to 69 or i would not consider grading them. Why spend $250+ for 66 and 67s? If your planning on flipping grades of 66 and 67 may bring less than a raw set on ebay. >>



    It depends on how you sell them. I'm sure there are people who will collect different grades for a single coin. If they are all MS67,68,69... MS66 may be rare.
  • kimber45ACPkimber45ACP Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭


    << <i>here`s a new ID for the antiques people??? antique10111 >>



    $2,325.00
  • That listing doesn't have the same format as the other listings by coinsantiquesxx. Not to say it isn't.
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  • << <i>That listing doesn't have the same format as the other listings by coinsantiquesxx. Not to say it isn't. >>



    i wasn`t sure if it was the same seller or not but i think its the same location.
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  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭
    got to be honest guys -

    looks like NGC is the way to go for ER.....apparently only offering till the 20th?

    PCGS will First Strike EVERY puck

    Even though PCGS grading is stricter, I would rather have a set of NGC 69's than PCGS 66/67/68's

  • renman95renman95 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Comrades, I just got an email from FideliTrade that states "only an acknowledgement that your request has been received. This is NOT confirmation that your request has been accepted." "If your request is accepted, you will receive an Order Confirmation in the upcoming weeks..."

    Anyone else get this?
  • RaufusRaufus Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Congratulations to Gyromac from our boards for getting (what I believe to be) the first set of coins into PCGS for grading (which I submitted for him) and Gyromac (Eric W) is personally thanked in the blog now as well. Due to early technology problems with the slabs, etc., there is no way to know for sure whether Gyromac's set (or any one coin) actually got slabbed first though. But, I believe, at least Gyromac can pat himself on the back for getting the very first set in for grading at PCGS. Not to mention the set was graded MS64, MS65, MS66, MS67 and MS68 - a perfect "grading set" for these hockey pucks! Sorry Eric ... just looking for the "silver lining" on these grades. Perhaps a collector out there might like an example of every PCGS grade from MS64 through MS68 image

    Wondercoin >>




    You are not pushing for a new "First Slabbed" label on the holders are you? image >>



    When were gyromac's coins delivered to pcgs?
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  • RaufusRaufus Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>FWIW NGC has an early release cutoff date of Jan 21st in their hands which means more then PCGS First Strike which never expires. >>



    But since they were all released at the same time, the only meaning to the NGC label is that they were submitted early. Woop De Doo. >>



    True, but we all know what those ER labels can be worth. Knowing that the NGC ERs will be much more limited than the First Strikes has given me pause to consider going with the ER. Hard call. The NCG sets will likely get substantially higher grades as well, with a seemingly reasonable chance of a 69 ER set. Of course, the PCGS grades may be more "respected" .........
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  • RaufusRaufus Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If I ever end up with a set of these, at least 3 or 4 out of five would have to appear close to 69 or i would not consider grading them. Why spend $250+ for 66 and 67s? If your planning on flipping grades of 66 and 67 may bring less than a raw set on ebay. >>



    You'd think, but look at the $800 that "BU" slabbed coins are bringing. They could be 64s!!
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