<< <i>cards are almost at 3$ a pop in the lots now on ebay. from 1$ a pop. >>
Last week I bought a lot of 10 for $12.00. A lot of 10 just sold on ebay for $31.00.... >>
I think we can blame Cal Ripken appearing on Fox News and the MLB Channel for this. Same thing happened to the George Bush/Jeter card after CNN or Fox News reported on it. A $3 at most started selling for $75-$200 at the hype of this.
Speaking of that card, wouldn't the version only found in complete sets w/out Bush be more valuable?
<< <i>hi, what is on the fronts of the cards? The giveaway or aare the "the cards you mom threw out" players with redemptions on the back?
nevermind, seems like a LOT of sellers are trying to confuse people >>
Please explain.... Please.... What are they doing that's confusing?? I don't want to get ripped off if I get an itch..
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<< <i>hi, what is on the fronts of the cards? The giveaway or aare the "the cards you mom threw out" players with redemptions on the back?
nevermind, seems like a LOT of sellers are trying to confuse people >>
There are 10 different ones - don't have a scan of them but they have the million card giveaway logo and a slanted 9 card binder sheet on them and each card focuses on the center card. On the back they have the redemption code
Some type of Toppstown redemptions, also the subset of Cards your mom threw out" I thought I saw some dealers listed as "unclaimed" as in No bids or winners, etc
I just traded a 1972 Topps Bud Harrelson IA for a 1993 Topps Barry Bonds. What would you have done?
Rich
Plano, Tx. Card Show #5, Sunday March 6, 2016 at Adat Chaverim (Northeast Corner Independence and Spring Creek) in Plano Tx 9Am to 4 PM. See you there!
My guess is that the 72 Harrelson is probably an ex/mt-nm card but I'll never know now. I'd bet the Bonds is nm/mt-mt.
Rich
Plano, Tx. Card Show #5, Sunday March 6, 2016 at Adat Chaverim (Northeast Corner Independence and Spring Creek) in Plano Tx 9Am to 4 PM. See you there!
My 2005 Chan Ho Park for a 1993 Cal Ripken Jr. My 1972 Tom Grieve for a 1968 Hank Allen (with a CU board member) My 1968 Hank Allen for a 1995 Cal Ripken Jr. My 1971 Jack Hiatt for a 2000 Cal Ripken Jr.
So far I'm loving the trade option. It's really bringing back the fun part of collecting from when I was a kid. When we were kids, my best friend's favorite player was Nolan Ryan and mine was of course Cal Ripken. I would always give him my Ryans, and he would give me his Ripkens. He probably made out more in the deals, but he no longer collects, and unfortunately he seems to not know what he did with all of his Ryans.
Finally found a hobby shop in my area... went in today and bought a box... they gave me a card to redeem...
Got 1965 Topps #342 Bob Rodgers which according to Beckett is a $6.00 card... not bad... can't wait to rip some of these packs to see what wlse I got... out of 36 packs should get about 6 cards...
When someone gets their first shipment of cards, post on here what the condition is. Getting a NM+ 1960s common worth $5-$10 would be cool. Getting a VG 1960s common worth $0.10, not so much.
When I pulled that 1961 Topps Mickey Mantle #307 from that 2001 Topps pack, it graded a PSA 6 (and that was a generous grade). I'm thinking you could expect anywhere from a PSA 5 to a PSA 8 when it comes to 50s through 70s cards coming from Topps. Just my guess, I could be wrong.
Had some trouble registering, finally got to unlock some cards. 1973 Vincente Romo 1979 San Diego Padres checklist 1987 John Butcher 1987 Robin Yount 2002 Mike Lieberthal 2005 Andy Pettitte. No too bad, was fun! Now I'm looking for more packs!
There was an article in today's NY daily News about the cards. They should a 1952 Mantle in a PSA slab, the grade was covered, but they made it seem as though this was the prize. Card looked pretty nice, o/c but nice. Part of the serial # was showing, wish I saved the article.
<< <i>There was an article in today's NY daily News about the cards. They should a 1952 Mantle in a PSA slab, the grade was covered, but they made it seem as though this was the prize. Card looked pretty nice, o/c but nice. Part of the serial # was showing, wish I saved the article. >>
Here it is...a nice PSA 8. It could just be a sample photo though. Mantle
They are giving away at least three '52 Mantles, BTW.
Ripped the hobby box I picked up earlier and indeed had 6 "unlock cards" these are the other 6 I pulled:
Morrie Martin 1952 #131 ...how cool is that 1952... hope it's not too OC (edit to add...only 352 cards in total from 1952 have been unlocked as of midnight tonight....)
Billy Hitchpenis 1963 #213 (apparently the site won't allow me to post his real last name as part of it is a forbidden word; hint it isn't really penis)
Ron Bryant 1973 #298 Ron Bryant / Pitcher /
Rick Auerbach 1974 #289 Rick Auerbach / Shortstop
Mike Krukow 1985 #74 Mike Krukow / Pitcher
Joel Skinner 1988 #109 -Joel Skinner / Catcher / New York Yankees can't wait to see the condition of these....
<< <i>How many dam cards with codes are there? Toppstown and attacks cards? >>
I think every pack had a Toppstown code card... I have never done anything with them and probably have 100-125 of them in my basement... not too fond of virtual cards... doesn't hold the same thrill to me.. but perhaps I'll add a few and see... the attack cards seem to be some type of fantasy baseball... will look at that over the weekend.... at least the attack cards didn't count as one of the ten which Toppstown cards did
edit to add... BTW the 1952 Morrie Martin RC I pulled is a $28 card in Ex-MT and at NM-MT becomes an $80 card... that card alone could pay for the hobby box...
<< <i>How do you get them to send them your cards? >>
according to the site: Hello, Shipping is currently unavailable. Shipping will be available on March 15, 2010.
If you click on your account you can enter all the information needed for shipping now. You just can't request until after March 15, 2010...
However they are running contests in April that will be based on the cards you have in your account so you may not want to have them shipped immediately until they announce what the prizes will be for the weekly contests.
Once I get my 20 delivered (yes, I succumbed to the temptation and bought a lot of the Bay), I'm open to trading for cards around 1965-1972.
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I am happy to offer up my prized topps million card giveaway winner 1964 topps Jim Bouton for Dodgers such as Giliam, Erskine, Labine and the like. I would love to trade for 1959 topps of any of those guys, and would be happy to throw in my 1974 Bud Harrelson into the pot, and my 1993 topps Scott Chiamparino, 86 Paul Householder, 2009 Eric Wedge, and even my 2009 Dustin Pedroia!
<< <i>update: redemptions look to be selling closer to 3 bucks each!! Almost not even worth it >>
Think at $3 each + shipping, it's better to buy boxes. There's some decent sp's and you at least get 1 auto/jumbo box. Jumbo boxes are about $100 and you get 10 redemptions.
<< <i>update: redemptions look to be selling closer to 3 bucks each!! Almost not even worth it >>
Yeah, luckily I got one of the last lots selling for a reasonable amount. Got 2 lots of 10 for $27 total. The guy had four lots of 10 for sale - I should've bought all 4 instead of only 2.
---------------------- Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989 ----------------------
Successful deals to date: thedudeabides,gameusedhoop,golfcollector,tigerdean,treetop,bkritz, CapeMOGuy,WeekendHacker,jeff8877,backbidder,Salinas,milbroco,bbuckner22,VitoCo1972,ddfamf,gemint,K,fatty macs,waltersobchak,dboneesq
<< <i>I am happy to offer up my prized topps million card giveaway winner 1964 topps Jim Bouton for Dodgers such as Giliam, Erskine, Labine and the like. I would love to trade for 1959 topps of any of those guys, and would be happy to throw in my 1974 Bud Harrelson into the pot, and my 1993 topps Scott Chiamparino, 86 Paul Householder, 2009 Eric Wedge, and even my 2009 Dustin Pedroia! >>
every time i log in to TM website i go to "my Trade" tag and see 3 pages of offers to trade that dustin pedroia auto, they want to trade me equal year or newer commons, decline, decline, decline, so on so forth,, put some meat on the table man,, come on,, lol,, bj
Well, it's only the 1972 #626 Babe Ruth Award Card, but it's still pretty cool.
Here's my updated list (up for trade): 1963 Jope Cunningham (they misspelled "Joe" on the TM website) 1963 Ron Perranoski 1966 John O'Donoghue 1967 Stu Miller 1972 Ken Boswell (In Action) 1972 Babe Ruth Award Card 1983 Alan Knicely 1984 Von Hayes 1985 Ralph Houk 1985 Chili Davis 1985 Eric Davis 1987 Kirby Puckett (base) 1987 Tony Gwynn (base) 1987 Teddy Higuera (AS) 1990 Vince Coleman 2001 Jose Silva 2005 Mike MacDougal
I received these in trades already: 1993 Cal Ripken Jr. 1995 Cal Ripken Jr. 2000 Cal Ripken Jr.
<< <i>update: redemptions look to be selling closer to 3 bucks each!! Almost not even worth it >>
Yeah, luckily I got one of the last lots selling for a reasonable amount. Got 2 lots of 10 for $27 total. The guy had four lots of 10 for sale - I should've bought all 4 instead of only 2. >>
Same here I bought 2 lots for $14.49 each with free delivery, I should have bought all 10 and sold half of them.
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Jim Wynn 1974 Lindy McDaniel 1974 Eddie Murray 1983 Rick Camp 1985 Jerry Reuss 1985 Pete Rose 1987 Mike Schmidt 1987 Carney Lansford 1987 Kirk McCaskill 1988 Checklist Card 1988 Ruben Sierra 1992 Bill Gullickson 1993 Prospects Card 1993 #451
Buying: Topps White Out (silver) letters Alex Gordon 80 Topps Greg Pryor “No Name" 90 ProSet Dexter Manley error 90 Topps Jeff King Yellow back 1958 Topps Pancho Herrera (no“a”) 81 Topps Art Howe (black smear above hat) 91 D A. Hawkins BC-12 “Pitcher”
Decided to buy another box. Much better results: 1952 Randy Gumpert 1972 Dick Drago 1973 Willie Mays 1988 Dave Meads 1993 Rob Ducey 1993 Eric Young Getting a Mays, and a 1952 is nice. Guess I'll have to keep opening packs (this isn't good for addictive personalties!).
<< <i>Decided to buy another box. Much better results: 1952 Randy Gumpert 1972 Dick Drago 1973 Willie Mays 1988 Dave Meads 1993 Rob Ducey 1993 Eric Young Getting a Mays, and a 1952 is nice. Guess I'll have to keep opening packs (this isn't good for addictive personalties!). >>
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<< <i>cards are almost at 3$ a pop in the lots now on ebay. from 1$ a pop. >>
Last week I bought a lot of 10 for $12.00. A lot of 10 just sold on ebay for $31.00.... >>
I think we can blame Cal Ripken appearing on Fox News and the MLB Channel for this. Same thing happened to the George Bush/Jeter card after CNN or Fox News reported on it. A $3 at most started selling for $75-$200 at the hype of this.
Speaking of that card, wouldn't the version only found in complete sets w/out Bush be more valuable?
What I'm selling
Building Sets, Collecting Texas Rangers, and Texas Tech Red Raiders
<< <i>anyone know if the redemptions are also in every ceral box pack like they are in the Jumbos?
I picked up 2 at lunch today but won't be ripping until I get home from work tonight >>
I have bought 3 cereal boxes and they all had redemption cards. Good luck!
nevermind, seems like a LOT of sellers are trying to confuse people
<< <i>hi, what is on the fronts of the cards? The giveaway or aare the "the cards you mom threw out" players with redemptions on the back?
nevermind, seems like a LOT of sellers are trying to confuse people >>
Please explain.... Please.... What are they doing that's confusing?? I don't want to get ripped off if I get an itch..
Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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Successful deals to date: thedudeabides,gameusedhoop,golfcollector,tigerdean,treetop,bkritz, CapeMOGuy,WeekendHacker,jeff8877,backbidder,Salinas,milbroco,bbuckner22,VitoCo1972,ddfamf,gemint,K,fatty macs,waltersobchak,dboneesq
<< <i>hi, what is on the fronts of the cards? The giveaway or aare the "the cards you mom threw out" players with redemptions on the back?
nevermind, seems like a LOT of sellers are trying to confuse people >>
There are 10 different ones - don't have a scan of them but they have the million card giveaway logo and a slanted 9 card binder sheet on them and each card focuses on the center card. On the back they have the redemption code
I just traded a 1972 Topps Bud Harrelson IA for a 1993 Topps Barry Bonds. What would you have done?
Rich
Rich
1983 Dave Kingman (Super Veteran)
1985 Larry Bowa
My 2005 Chan Ho Park for a 1993 Cal Ripken Jr.
My 1972 Tom Grieve for a 1968 Hank Allen (with a CU board member)
My 1968 Hank Allen for a 1995 Cal Ripken Jr.
My 1971 Jack Hiatt for a 2000 Cal Ripken Jr.
So far I'm loving the trade option. It's really bringing back the fun part of collecting from when I was a kid. When we were kids, my best friend's favorite player was Nolan Ryan and mine was of course Cal Ripken. I would always give him my Ryans, and he would give me his Ripkens. He probably made out more in the deals, but he no longer collects, and unfortunately he seems to not know what he did with all of his Ryans.
Got 1965 Topps #342 Bob Rodgers which according to Beckett is a $6.00 card... not bad... can't wait to rip some of these packs to see what wlse I got... out of 36 packs should get about 6 cards...
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1973 Vincente Romo
1979 San Diego Padres checklist
1987 John Butcher
1987 Robin Yount
2002 Mike Lieberthal
2005 Andy Pettitte.
No too bad, was fun! Now I'm looking for more packs!
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1968 Brooks Robinson / Third Base / Baltimore Orioles
Card ID Number: 20
1982 Rick Honeycutt / Pitcher / Texas Rangers
Card ID Number: 751
1985 Rufino Linares / Outfield / Atlanta Braves
Card ID Number: 167
1987 Edwin Nunez / Pitcher / Seattle Mariners
Card ID Number: 427
2002 Ichiro Suzuki / Outfield / Seattle Mariners
Card ID Number: 704
Is the Ichiro worth redeeming? I don't know anything about 2002 Topps.
Thanks
<< <i>There was an article in today's NY daily News about the cards. They should a 1952 Mantle in a PSA slab, the grade was covered, but they made it seem as though this was the prize. Card looked pretty nice, o/c but nice. Part of the serial # was showing, wish I saved the article. >>
Here it is...a nice PSA 8. It could just be a sample photo though. Mantle
They are giving away at least three '52 Mantles, BTW.
Morrie Martin 1952 #131 ...how cool is that 1952... hope it's not too OC (edit to add...only 352 cards in total from 1952 have been unlocked as of midnight tonight....)
Billy Hitchpenis 1963 #213 (apparently the site won't allow me to post his real last name as part of it is a forbidden word; hint it isn't really penis)
Ron Bryant 1973 #298 Ron Bryant / Pitcher /
Rick Auerbach 1974 #289 Rick Auerbach / Shortstop
Mike Krukow 1985 #74 Mike Krukow / Pitcher
Joel Skinner 1988 #109 -Joel Skinner / Catcher / New York Yankees
can't wait to see the condition of these....
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Billy Wilson 1971
Billy Wilson - Pitcher - Philadelphia
John Hale 1977
John Hale / Outfield / Los Angeles Dodgers
<< <i>How many dam cards with codes are there? Toppstown and attacks cards? >>
I think every pack had a Toppstown code card... I have never done anything with them and probably have 100-125 of them in my basement... not too fond of virtual cards... doesn't hold the same thrill to me.. but perhaps I'll add a few and see... the attack cards seem to be some type of fantasy baseball... will look at that over the weekend.... at least the attack cards didn't count as one of the ten which Toppstown cards did
edit to add... BTW the 1952 Morrie Martin RC I pulled is a $28 card in Ex-MT and at NM-MT becomes an $80 card... that card alone could pay for the hobby box...
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1995 Mark Miller
yeh haw
<< <i>How do you get them to send them your cards? >>
according to the site:
Hello, Shipping is currently unavailable. Shipping will be available on March 15, 2010.
If you click on your account you can enter all the information needed for shipping now. You just can't request until after March 15, 2010...
However they are running contests in April that will be based on the cards you have in your account so you may not want to have them shipped immediately until they announce what the prizes will be for the weekly contests.
LeagueLeader; IJustLoveCards; Recbball; msassin; leathtech; lsutigers1973; Bosox1976; Dboneesq; Aric; Bkritz
Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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Successful deals to date: thedudeabides,gameusedhoop,golfcollector,tigerdean,treetop,bkritz, CapeMOGuy,WeekendHacker,jeff8877,backbidder,Salinas,milbroco,bbuckner22,VitoCo1972,ddfamf,gemint,K,fatty macs,waltersobchak,dboneesq
<< <i>update: redemptions look to be selling closer to 3 bucks each!! Almost not even worth it >>
Think at $3 each + shipping, it's better to buy boxes. There's some decent sp's and you at least get 1 auto/jumbo box. Jumbo boxes are about $100 and you get 10 redemptions.
Save on ebay with Big Crumbs
<< <i>update: redemptions look to be selling closer to 3 bucks each!! Almost not even worth it >>
Yeah, luckily I got one of the last lots selling for a reasonable amount. Got 2 lots of 10 for $27 total. The guy had four lots of 10 for sale - I should've bought all 4 instead of only 2.
Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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Successful deals to date: thedudeabides,gameusedhoop,golfcollector,tigerdean,treetop,bkritz, CapeMOGuy,WeekendHacker,jeff8877,backbidder,Salinas,milbroco,bbuckner22,VitoCo1972,ddfamf,gemint,K,fatty macs,waltersobchak,dboneesq
<< <i>I am happy to offer up my prized topps million card giveaway winner 1964 topps Jim Bouton for Dodgers such as Giliam, Erskine, Labine and the like. I would love to trade for 1959 topps of any of those guys, and would be happy to throw in my 1974 Bud Harrelson into the pot, and my 1993 topps Scott Chiamparino, 86 Paul Householder, 2009 Eric Wedge, and even my 2009 Dustin Pedroia! >>
I've got a 2005 Ricky Ledee. How's that?
Only an idiot would have a message board signature.
Well, it's only the 1972 #626 Babe Ruth Award Card, but it's still pretty cool.
Here's my updated list (up for trade):
1963 Jope Cunningham (they misspelled "Joe" on the TM website)
1963 Ron Perranoski
1966 John O'Donoghue
1967 Stu Miller
1972 Ken Boswell (In Action)
1972 Babe Ruth Award Card
1983 Alan Knicely
1984 Von Hayes
1985 Ralph Houk
1985 Chili Davis
1985 Eric Davis
1987 Kirby Puckett (base)
1987 Tony Gwynn (base)
1987 Teddy Higuera (AS)
1990 Vince Coleman
2001 Jose Silva
2005 Mike MacDougal
I received these in trades already:
1993 Cal Ripken Jr.
1995 Cal Ripken Jr.
2000 Cal Ripken Jr.
<< <i>
<< <i>update: redemptions look to be selling closer to 3 bucks each!! Almost not even worth it >>
Yeah, luckily I got one of the last lots selling for a reasonable amount. Got 2 lots of 10 for $27 total. The guy had four lots of 10 for sale - I should've bought all 4 instead of only 2.
Same here I bought 2 lots for $14.49 each with free delivery, I should have bought all 10 and sold half of them.
My daughter was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes at the age of 2 (2003). My son was diagnosed with Type 1 when he was 17 on December 31, 2009. We were stunned that another child of ours had been diagnosed. Please, if you don't have a favorite charity, consider giving to the JDRF (Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation)
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Jim Wynn 1974
Lindy McDaniel 1974
Eddie Murray 1983
Rick Camp 1985
Jerry Reuss 1985
Pete Rose 1987
Mike Schmidt 1987
Carney Lansford 1987
Kirk McCaskill 1988
Checklist Card 1988
Ruben Sierra 1992
Bill Gullickson 1993
Prospects Card 1993 #451
Here are my cards:
2008 Damion Easley
1997 Jimmy Key
1988 Steve Sax
1987 Billy Beane
1985 Pete Ladd
1980 Hosken Powell
1980 Dan Spillner
1970 #486 Terry Harmon Phillies
and
1952 #189 Pete Reiser
I know it's only a common, but getting a '52 is sweeeeet
EDIT: AWESOME 1952!!
What I'm selling
Building Sets, Collecting Texas Rangers, and Texas Tech Red Raiders
Rookie Pitchers Card 1977- McGregor/Batton/Camp/Sarmiento
Al Holland 1985
Tracy Jones 1987
Jose Uribe 1987
Dan Petry 1987
Les Straker 1988
Kent Mercker 1993
Mac Suzuki 1995
Jimmy Parque 2001
Chuck Stobbs 1958
Steve Boros 1965
Rick
<< <i>Hey, I pulled a Babe Ruth card!!
Well, it's only the 1972 #626 Babe Ruth Award Card, but it's still pretty cool.
Here's my updated list (up for trade):
1983 Alan Knicely >>
Too bad you didn't get the 86 Knicely. You could have traded it for a Mantle RC
Topps White Out (silver) letters Alex Gordon
80 Topps Greg Pryor “No Name"
90 ProSet Dexter Manley error
90 Topps Jeff King Yellow back
1958 Topps Pancho Herrera (no“a”)
81 Topps Art Howe (black smear above hat)
91 D A. Hawkins BC-12 “Pitcher”
1952 Randy Gumpert
1972 Dick Drago
1973 Willie Mays
1988 Dave Meads
1993 Rob Ducey
1993 Eric Young
Getting a Mays, and a 1952 is nice. Guess I'll have to keep opening packs (this isn't good for addictive personalties!).
Save on ebay with Big Crumbs
<< <i>Decided to buy another box. Much better results:
1952 Randy Gumpert
1972 Dick Drago
1973 Willie Mays
1988 Dave Meads
1993 Rob Ducey
1993 Eric Young
Getting a Mays, and a 1952 is nice. Guess I'll have to keep opening packs (this isn't good for addictive personalties!). >>
very nice!!!
56 monte irvin and a s8 nolan ryan!
ok it was a 88 ryan!