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  • 1. Nitrogen (or other inert gas or gasses) filled slabs.

    2. Embedded microchips, automatically disabled if slab is opened or messed with.

    3. RFID of each microchip is checkable against an online PCGS database.

    4. Availability of readers for embedded microchips at reasonable prices.

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  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,824 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Maybe the Big One is a stand-alone PCGS store & member auction site.
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    I knew it would happen.
  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    Coin collecting software that is pcgs/coinfacts friendly.
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,019 ✭✭✭✭✭


    PCGS is going non-profit????


    I'm so confused....



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  • PCGS buys NGC/ANACS and will change its name to ...... ?
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  • PCGS will implement a high tech software analysis on all coins holdered. Each coin will have a minimum of 15 distinct markings which too humans would be fingerprinted. These markings could be things like bag marks, rim nicks, die polish, etc.

    PCGS will use an inert die to stamp all future slabbed coins. This die will only be visible with special lighting such as a black light. PCGS will give a buy back guarantee on all coins against damage caused by this die.

    PCGS will offer free or reduced rate cross over service if coins are going into PCGS registry sets.

    PCGS will implement the mix and match registry set....Your call xxx number of coins.

    PCGS will start the Genuine Net Graded service along with the ability to add to registry sets at the net grade.

    PCGS will start grading coins in Original Government Packaging.

    I'll have to think of some things today and guess some more.

    Hmm....???
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,111 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>PCGS will start grading coins in Original Government Packaging. >>



    Great idea. NGC is already doing this with the GSA dollars. I'm surprised PCGS has started to do the same.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,019 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>PCGS buys NGC/ANACS and will change its name to ...... ? >>




    even if it did happen, why change the name and lose the brand recognition?

    doesn't make sense.




    A new holder!

    yes... it has been said...

    but inside the holder is a PCGS minted metal recangular shaped token which fits just inside the edge of the holder away from the coin. It acts as:
    1) a sacrifical metal to reduce coloring in the holder.
    2) an anti-counterfeit measure
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  • baddogssbaddogss Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>1st thing a security feature or tracking device for lost or stolen coins. (Lojack for coins)

    2nd thing a 3D rotating holder to allow for complete viewing. (LOL)

    3rd thing graders singature on holder and certificate of authenticity for each graded coin signed and numbered.


    I think #1 could get some legs, you may be on to something here?


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  • PCGS will offer the ability for collectors to Pedegree or personalize their coins submitted or reholdered. Examples: from the Joe Blow Collection, Joe Blow Registry Set, Joe Blow Hoard, et.

    PCGS will switch to a new slab system. After the coin is graded it will be put into a airtight holder of some kind. This holder will be inserted in this new high tech holder making machine that took years to develope along with a label. The end result is the coin is protected in a one piece slab which is formed around the airtight and label. Or I guess maybe this high tech machine could also just produce a holdered coin without the airtight holder. Guess it would have to be some high tech acrylic like substance that is inert. This machine could also be so high tech that the label would be a hologram on the surface of the holder.

    I guess it's also possible that homerunhall is fishing for a million dollar idea with $1000 worth of bait also image
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,019 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Guess it would have to be some high tech acrylic like substance that is inert. This machine could also be so high tech that the label would be a hologram on the surface of the holder. >>




    Almost there!


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  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have coins in lucite 1964 and look like they have just been minted.
  • PCGS will grade coins for free but take a 10% interest in any coin they slap
  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭
    PCGS re-designed holder to be completely airtight and inert.

    PCGS will introduce PQ designation on their labels, and start a guaranteed buy price with their member dealers for these coins

    PCGS will introduce a auction style format venue where buyers/sellers exchange buy/sell/trade coins at PCGS "price guide" amounts, which will lead to PCGS introducing a wholesale/retail pricing instrument to compete directly with CDN.
  • How about something from left field....Way out there image

    PCGS registry trading cards. Available for purchase on PCGS website. Maybe you get a pack free with xxx amount of submissions. Not sure if they could do all of them but I guess they could start with the most popular series of coins or maybe just some kind of type set. Maybe base card rarity on population reports. Cards could be submitted into an online PCGS Registry Card system. Each card would have a unique certificate number on the label for inputing into the system. This numbering system would be a unique numbering system for the cards only and would no way reflect the numbering system for the actual coins on the card. This measure would have to implemented to deture fraudulant activity. These could also be handed out at coin shows and distributed to PCGS certified dealers for distribution.

    Hmm....It does kinda at least sound like a somewhat fun idea at least image
  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    A new coin modifier not a grade modifer. Something like + for good eye appeal and - for negative eye appeal.
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,019 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>How about something from left field....Way out there image

    PCGS registry trading cards. Available for purchase on PCGS website. Maybe you get a pack free with xxx amount of submissions. Not sure if they could do all of them but I guess they could start with the most popular series of coins or maybe just some kind of type set. Maybe base card rarity on population reports. Cards could be submitted into an online PCGS Registry Card system. Each card would have a unique certificate number on the label for inputing into the system. This numbering system would be a unique numbering system for the cards only and would no way reflect the numbering system for the actual coins on the card. This measure would have to implemented to deture fraudulant activity. These could also be handed out at coin shows and distributed to PCGS certified dealers for distribution.

    Hmm....It does kinda at least sound like a somewhat fun idea at least image >>




    It's not that far out in left field
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  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭
    Photos of all coins graded
    New slab
    RFID in the slabs

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  • TrustNo1TrustNo1 Posts: 1,359
  • OK, my turn to guess.

    Based on all the clues given by HRH, I can only think of one thing.

    PCGS will go Global, opening offices in several foreign countries initially with other following in the future. I wouldn't
    hazard to guess exactly what type of connection they would be (wholly owned or franchised.)

    As for initial countries, based on what has the most in the Registry, I would guess:
    Germany, Australia, Canada, England, and China

    Each office would probably be limited in what they take as submission based on their speciiality. I don't expect USA coins tobe graded in Germany,
    but Germany may take submissions from several surrounding european countries. I am sure some blind QC checks will be done.

    The clues:
    1) Biggest thing since the launch of PCGS.
    2) Something to do with coin grading.
    3) Can't mess with the bread and butter, where they are number one in the market.
    4) New limits on foreign coin liabilities
    5) New limits on copper color. (Think english pennies)
    6) Currently grading fewer foreign coins then NGC (I think)
    7) Recent increases in foreign registry set catagories.

    Please send my prize in economy submission coupons. I don't think the spouse will see the check as future coin money.

  • joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,746 ✭✭✭✭✭
    is it march 25th yet?
    may the fonz be with you...always...
  • DropdaflagDropdaflag Posts: 807 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I do not know if anything was posted like my guess, my apologies in advance if so.

    A web site for tracking coin transactions by TPG serial number. This would provide pricing history for a specific coin and not a generic grade. It would also provide a history of previous owners/dealers/auction venues. The ultimate pedigree of sorts.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,111 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Four more days until the big one.image

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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  • DarkStarDarkStar Posts: 450 ✭✭✭✭
    PCGS is going to buy back the dreck!

    There are 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who do not.

  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 6,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's my guess, but no clue if anyone else has guessed this.

    PCGS is going to start accepting submissions from all sources (i.e. - no Dealer Membership, CC Membership, et al required). By doing so they will allow their reputation as the best grading service to be accessed by all potebtial submitters.

    On a smaller, or not quite out there in left field note, I suspect a new holder with added security features is in the offering.




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  • ANACONDAANACONDA Posts: 4,692
    My official predications, here, in the correct thread, to wit:

    The short version:

    Prediction #1: Legend/TDN/SP/ takes PCGS private,

    Prediction #2: CAC is bought by PCGS (now privately owned in part by Legend) and they continue to stick their sticky stickers on some PCGS slabs indicating solid for the grade (or whatever their stickers represent....maybe it is "CAC was here"......) but they do it now as a subsidary of PCGS OR

    OR

    Prediction #2: After PCGS is taken private, PCGS starts grading coins with PQ designations and CAC is dissolved as it is no longer needed

    and

    Prediction #3: PCGS finally and intelligtently abandons consensus grading in favor of weighted average blind grading.

    Partial Long Version:

    "Legend" (facilitated, really, by a well-heeled principal of Legend who likes electricity on the west coast) comes up with enough cash to somehow (I'm no Wallstreeter) take CU/PCGS private, which they do.

    If Legend/CAC owns and therefore controls PCGS, they don't have to worry about PCGS implementing a "+" or "PQ" designation, sending CAC to the bottom of the ocean. In the alternative, they just "disolve" CAC and implement an internal PQ designation.

    That's of course not the only reason why Legend/CAC/TDN would want to own and control PCGS. Since PCGS' stock has tripled in the last year, who wouldn't want to own a rising star like CU that might triple again?

    Crap, nobody is getting 300% returns on their rare coin investments. You don't think Ben Franklin II wouldn't like to make a bunch of money owning CU so he can buy all the Trade Dollars out there now while the market is soft? You don't think Laura wouldn't want to (kindly of course) ask DH to go get him er I mean her a cup of decaf (doctor's orders....coffee leads to more screaming and a higher blood pressure)??????

    And besides, TDN and LS will then have a key to the grading room and they can go in there and pile up all the coins and TDN can sit on top of them with a Burger King hat on while LS and DH hold hands and skip around the pile of coins and TDN....in their underwear. I'm sorry, scratch that last part, that was really disrespectful. (Now that we've gone there though, what kind of underwear do you think....no...wait a minute ...... that's gonna get me kicked off here...............I'll just STFU.

    No....I can't STFU.....I just realized if Legend/CAC/TDN and LS own CU...........they... own..... this... message board which means Laura on her first day....oh my God......No....No.....No!!!!!!!!

    That's probably why CU's stock has gone up....steady quiet buying pressure by TDN ......over the past oh, say two years.

    Hey.....wait a minute...isn't that how long DH said one project has taken them?

    One last thing.......

    I don't see any reason why anyone who owns a grading company couldn't look at the coins sent in for grading and use that opportunity to contact some of the owners of the finest coins to get first crack at making offers on the coins...

    Think about it. What an edge a coin dealer like Legend would have if they could do that. Of course, the more coins you can make offers on, the better your buying is AND the better your inventory can be.

    Legend/LS/TDN and DH are well on their way to ruling the universe! (I hope they don't make me eat soilent green.)
  • ANACONDAANACONDA Posts: 4,692
  • savoyspecialsavoyspecial Posts: 7,282 ✭✭✭✭
    wow! 1038 posts to this thread and now we risk thread nuking

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  • ANACONDAANACONDA Posts: 4,692
    Hey you bring up a good point....they would never nuke DH's thread.....we can say anything in this thread we want!
  • savoyspecialsavoyspecial Posts: 7,282 ✭✭✭✭
    there hasnt been this much anticipation since:


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    Fonzie was going to jump the shark!!

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,965 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My prediction (although I like some of what Adrian has written above- more the direction of it if not the actual specifics, so no far repeating any of it)
    I believe part of the announcement will be the incorporation of a new insert. For example, today the CAC decal/sticker is adhered to the outer shell of the slab in the insert area. I think the insert itself will be part or fully halogen and impossible to duplicate/counterfeit.

    PCGS will re-label/reholder current coins for a little over their cost. This part of my idea will not be their money stream. It will be a tedious process but one in the end will prevent counterfeiting of the PCGS brand and further guarantee loyalty.
    PCGS will also incorporate eduction via press and podcasts along with this website on counterfeit detection. Of course the tenor of the messages will be counterfeiting of coins is getting better and better and there has never been a more impressive need than now to not only have your coins graded but authenticated.
    Having well respected and vocal proponents "team up" with PCGS to get the word out will also be key and will lend credibility not only to the message but to those who support it.

    Somehow all of this has to be done in the name of, "enjoy your coins". and not so much in the technical aspects or the behind the scenes minutia. (Although the "how and why" will be heavily discussed on these forums. The negative thread- those that bring no true discussion to the table will be quickly deleted/banned)

    So, in summation: 1) bringing many experts on board the PCGS train and drive it forward in counterfeit detection via a new insert- not just along the lines of sticking a decal on the inside of the slab, on the insert, but a whole newly designed counterfeit proof insert. The plastic shells will remain the same or nearly so.
    2) Performing these functions in an exciting format that will brand PCGS as the innovator and not the duplicator.

    It's a wonderful moment we all share for all the above the be happening and the course of collecting advances in these new and trying times.

    peacockcoins

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,111 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Hey you bring up a good point....they would never nuke DH's thread.....we can say anything in this thread we want! >>



    They would nuke individual posts and posters.

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  • ANACONDAANACONDA Posts: 4,692
    Yes, that is true, they will ban you!

    But I have never seen a post in a thread removed.
  • We will all know in 4 days; don't get bammed in the interim.
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,019 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Yes, that is true, they will ban you!

    But I have never seen a post in a thread removed. >>





    edit: errr.... at least the Mod's can edit the contents of the post

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  • HalfStrikeHalfStrike Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭
    My new guess is that PCGS will allow club members with higher value coins already graded in MS60 or higher, or PR60 or higher, to send those coins in for a free evaluation for PQ designation. Those coins getting a PQ designation will be reholdered and you will be charged a small fee, those that don't won't be charged.

    PCGS will also tell customers if some of their coins are worthy of buyback to remove some lesser quality coins from the market. They will pay for some mistakes they made on coins that have turned or were overgraded.

  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Halfstrike......I like your idea very much.image
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  • I'm hoping the BIG ONE isn't that eBay is buying PCGS. Could it be?
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  • BoomBoom Posts: 10,165
    The BIG One?

    Effective March 25, 2010, PCGS will begin printing on all coin holder labels an expanded barcode that takes advantage of all 22 digits (up from the current 16 digits). The expanded barcode will allow PCGS to introduce additional information that will provide improvements in identifying and tracking inventory.

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  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,123 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My guess is that PCGS has reached an agreement with the US Mint to slab the TRUE First Strikes..... perhaps the first 100 strikes off the press, which will be slabbed and serially numbered.
    ----- kj
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,019 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • cinchcinch Posts: 127 ✭✭✭
    Are they changing the color of holders from white to gray? Or maybe a new font for the labels?
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  • TomohawkTomohawk Posts: 667 ✭✭
    Don't have the time to read back through all the threads, but here's my guess:

    PCGS will become a US Mint! Maybe "PS" for a mint mark?

    Seems very left field to me...sorry if this was already taken...
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  • How about PCGS will be the official coin grading service of the US Mint
  • tcmitssrtcmitssr Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭


    << <i>My check for $1,000 to the person who comes the closest...

    and nobody is close yet...

    HRH >>



    Home Run, I'm late to the party but here goes....

    1. PCGS is buying NGC and, possibly, either ANACS and/or the sticker folks.
    2. Something, involving a Skype-like service, will permit "tentative real-time" grading for a reduced price. At that point, collectors can decide whether to submit their coins or not.
    3. Instead of a 100 point, star, plus/minus system, each of the current grades will also add a letter grade, like in school (65 A through F).
    4. Someone from PCGS will announce that they are running for statewide office in CA (I'm not kidding).
    5. PCGS is going to take some position in Ebay.

    BTW, HR, let me thank you once again for your efforts on behalf of our son last year. Your letter of recommendation helped him receive not one, but four partial state scholarships from our state legislators who are able to award them to students from their districts, for college. One was for the full four years while the others are renewable annually and we've already "heard" that what you wrote, in no small way, will pretty much assure his receiving them from the other three, each year that he is in college, since only the leading legislator of the four, is able to grant automatically renewable four year scholarships which he did last year.

    We'll always be grateful to you. Whatever you have planned, I wish you all of the best of luck with it!



  • itsnotjustmeitsnotjustme Posts: 8,777 ✭✭✭
    I think all future PCGS grading will include a video of the coin obverse and reverse, being tilted under directional lighting to show luster. It will olso show an image strip of the rim of the coin.
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  • savoyspecialsavoyspecial Posts: 7,282 ✭✭✭✭
    Look at the automotive industry--- everything goes in cycles

    The new Mustang, a redesigned retro look
    The new Challenger and Charger, ditto
    New Camaro, you guessed it-- Retro, baby!


    In light of this, the Big One just might be.......


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    .......a return to a simpler time image

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  • MoldnutMoldnut Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭✭
    Maybe they are just going to move out of Cali so they can cut their fees in halfimage
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