I think most of the type B's qualify as scarce, not rare. However, some of the dates are more difficult than others. I believe the '56 is the toughest, followed by the '62 and '64. The '60 and '61 aren't easy either. I am glad to see the values moving upward closer to where they belong. The B reverses in higher grades are certainly more scarce than the many of the other Washington's minted since '41. While others disagree, it seems to me that the '59 is the most common - especially since they can be found in almost every mint set. Despite that, I think values above $200 for the higher mint state coins is certainly not out of line. It will take a little time for the lower mint state grades to catch up and the pops will explode when they do. For now, most of them are sitting on the sidelines waiting.
For those wondering where Ken is (ksteelheader), you should know he was BAMMED. IMHO it was just wrong, he's a valuable asset to this board.
Ken was bammed? Certainly, he should be given reconsideration, as he IS a valuable, as well as valued, member on these boards. For instance, look at the info given by him here, in this particular thread. The images COULD have been deleted, but being the good sport he is, he allowed HIS images, HIS info, to be shared so others could become better, more informed collectors. All this, in spite of being bammed.
<<I am happy that PCGS got a set going with each of these special coins having their very own slot. I petitioned Mr. Willis, and many on these boards followed with signatures on the petition that I eventually sent to him. I thank everyone that did and Mr. Willis and PCGS. Now if I could get them to create a short set for us... just the type B's and the type C>>
I would like to see some consideration given to the clad B's of 1969 D - 1972 D.
Type 2 - that is a gorgeous coin. Hard to tell from the lighting but it looks like it has some attractive toning. Despite that, I dont think that coin makes MS 65. I think it is 63, maybe 64
<< <i>I pick this one I think I'll send it in what do you think. >>
Well, provided it graded, I think MS64 would be a fair grade.
If you're simply looking to get the coin slabbed then go4it. If you are looking for value, the attribution fee alone would swamp the value of the coin.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i><<I am happy that PCGS got a set going with each of these special coins having their very own slot. I petitioned Mr. Willis, and many on these boards followed with signatures on the petition that I eventually sent to him. I thank everyone that did and Mr. Willis and PCGS. Now if I could get them to create a short set for us... just the type B's and the type C>>
I would like to see some consideration given to the clad B's of 1969 D - 1972 D. >>
I totally agree Herb! For the Type B Reverse Washington's, grading aside, these are the real rarities!
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i><<I am happy that PCGS got a set going with each of these special coins having their very own slot. I petitioned Mr. Willis, and many on these boards followed with signatures on the petition that I eventually sent to him. I thank everyone that did and Mr. Willis and PCGS. Now if I could get them to create a short set for us... just the type B's and the type C>>
I would like to see some consideration given to the clad B's of 1969 D - 1972 D. >>
I agree with you, however the clad B's don't have much of a chance considering that they are not in the CPG. I think that getting the Clad B's recognized by PCGS will be tougher because of this. The best thing you can do is to get all the info that you have on them, including selling prices and plead your case to PCGS. I am sure that there are several of us on these boards that would be willing to support you.
I think we can get the clad B's into CPG in the next edition. The last edition said they were rumored to exist. I now have two uncirculated ones that have been verified by ICG. With that and the photos of them, I think we have good ground to get them in the next edition. I tried once to have Stanton look at my coins but now understand that he is no longer involved with CPG. So I will have to get the other author to take a look. His email is not in the book. Herb, do you know how to get in touch with him. Anyone else? I'll be out til late Thursday so no more posts here for me til then. As far as prices go, I am not aware of ANY on the market much less any selling. Frankly, I think these are "rare" at this point and I'm not sure that many of us here that are aware of them even have any in our collections. In three of four years of looking I have been very lucky to find the two that I have.
I was out driving and pass a coin shop or B/M my truck has a bad alinment ever time I see a coin shop or B/M it pulls right to it and I found this one today. $10.00 big one's he was asking 15.00 till I pointed out the hit on the top of the wing.
<< <i><<I am happy that PCGS got a set going with each of these special coins having their very own slot. I petitioned Mr. Willis, and many on these boards followed with signatures on the petition that I eventually sent to him. I thank everyone that did and Mr. Willis and PCGS. Now if I could get them to create a short set for us... just the type B's and the type C>>
I would like to see some consideration given to the clad B's of 1969 D - 1972 D. >>
I agree with you, however the clad B's don't have much of a chance considering that they are not in the CPG. I think that getting the Clad B's recognized by PCGS will be tougher because of this. The best thing you can do is to get all the info that you have on them, including selling prices and plead your case to PCGS. I am sure that there are several of us on these boards that would be willing to support you. >>
Plead all you want...........It'll ever happen until they hit the CPG.
we tried it with the RDV-006 IKE.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>what about the 69 different MN tree coins? How in the world did those ever make it into the registry?
Wondercoin >>
Simple Mitch and you oughta know this. PCGS goes where the money is and folks were buying these right and left. The attributors were going wild and new varieties made the cover of Coin World for about 6 weeks straight! They were hot and PCGS agreed (with someone) to attribute them.
The RDV-006 never had such fanfare just because it was an IKE. "Seen one--you seen em all", "Ho-Hum <yawn>", etc.
PCGS follows the market. It followed the Extra Tree's, the Wisconsin Extra Leaf's, the Speared Bison, the "New" Volume 2 CPG, and the Presidential edge lettering errors.
However, we can't count the IKE's out just yet!
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
I've finally had a chance to look through most of my original rolls and BU rolls of the early Denver clad quarters and got totally skunked; not a single specimen of any date. I was pretty discouraged by the end and was mostly just spot checking but there probably are none. I did find a couple things I forgot I had like partial rolls of early '80's type "d" reverse quarters. Some of these would be even scarcer than the type B's if I didn't have partial rolls of them. There are two I lack in unc at all.
It's almost a certainty there will be a few XF/ AU type "b' in a safety deposit box but I doubt I own a single unc.
So everyone counting on me to save these for them has been let down. I'd apologize but it really wasn't my job.
I watched the TT auction as well. Guess the price drop a couple weeks ago from $450 to $350 on this coin really didn't have merit, what does everyone think?
I searched through a handful of double mint, several I had just put up for sale in the BST, and found a very clean 57' Type B in one of them. They seem not to be uncommon in those but I've never tried to do a population survey.
<< <i>I watched the TT auction as well. Guess the price drop a couple weeks ago from $450 to $350 on this coin really didn't have merit, what does everyone think? >>
I think that the seller of this coin is probably the same seller as the MS63 1964D Type C coin that doesn't get sold for $450.
There are 9 Type B Attributed coins in MS67. There are 172 1957 Washingtons in MS67 and until each of those is checked, the population is tenuous and really could double overnight.
Basically, the seller has a specific price in mind which will push the envelope. I don't think it will work since the popularity of the Type B Reverse appears to have a limited audience.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<<There are 9 Type B Attributed coins in MS67. There are 172 1957 Washingtons in MS67 and until each of those is checked, the population is tenuous and really could double overnight.>>
That is a very interesting statement. Bill Edwards said 5% of the 1957's were type B. If that holds for MS 67's, then 8.6 will be type B's. That is very close to the the 9 Lee needs to double the population. How many have been cherrypicked already? How many have never been checked?
<< <i><<There are 9 Type B Attributed coins in MS67. There are 172 1957 Washingtons in MS67 and until each of those is checked, the population is tenuous and really could double overnight.>>
That is a very interesting statement. Bill Edwards said 5% of the 1957's were type B. If that holds for MS 67's, then 8.2 will be type B's. That is very close to the the 9 Lee needs to double the population. How many have been cherrypicked already? How many have never been checked? >>
All very good questions which creates caution when paying more than current price guide.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
"All very good questions which creates caution when paying more than current price guide."
Lee - Bear in mind that if the coins start selling at $400 or $500 per, the price guide will likely follow. For example, take the 1961 Ty B pop 2 MS66- price guide at $1,000 but a coin has never traded yet at any price. What if I decide to sell mine at $1,200? Is it a bad buy for the buyer because the guide shows only $1,000? Heck, that (would be) pop 2/0 1964 Ty B could sell for $1,500, $1,800 or who knows what (even unattributed). If the 1964 trades at $1,800 (hypothetically), the 1961 could adjust up to match it in a heatbeat. Conclusion - I wouldn't worry about what the price guide says. I would make sure one knows their specialty area very well before buying at whatever price they chose.
Wondercoin
Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.
You all make very strong points. We can even take Mitch's point a little further (hypothetically). Take for example I just made a 1960 type B at NGC in MS67 (which I actually did) with thier pop let's say a little over 50 and PCGS' under 10. Looking @ Heritage's archive for PCGS 1960 in MS67 I see 2 of them are type A. What if I were to get mine crossed (if I decide to try it), I don't think I would worry about the other hand full that have not been looked at Anyway, just my opinion the '57 in the auction, I expected to seel between the $475 -$550.00 range JMO FWIW.
I made 4 1960 PCGS MS66 quarters last summer that are type B reverses. Would it be worth having them attributed? I also have unattributed MS66 type B's in 1957, 1958, and 1961. Shoud I send them in?
<< <i>I made 4 1960 PCGS MS66 quarters last summer that are type B reverses. Would it be worth having them attributed? I also have unattributed MS66 type B's in 1957, 1958, and 1961. Shoud I send them in? >>
Yes
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>Well, we have a '64 Type B, PCGS MS64, attributed, on the 'bay. Ended Dec 7th, a BIN of $175. We NEED ksteelheader back to update this thread!!!! >>
And a 1964 Type B PCGS MS64 which ended on 1/17/2010 at $50.99 + $3.00 shipping.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>Well, we have a '64 Type B, PCGS MS64, attributed, on the 'bay. Ended Dec 7th, a BIN of $175. We NEED ksteelheader back to update this thread!!!! >>
Don't hold your breath for that. I sent a PM to Willis and he wasn't even polite enough to respond.
Deja vue all over again. Like Jan 31. Tonight Teletrade had: 1961 B PCGS 65 at $170 at 8:20 but did not sell 1964 D C PCGS 63 at $320 at 8:20 but did not sell.
<< <i>Deja vue all over again. Like Jan 31. Tonight Teletrade had: 1961 B PCGS 65 at $170 at 8:20 but did not sell 1964 D C PCGS 63 at $320 at 8:20 but did not sell. >>
Either someone is buried in both of those coins or they have lots of spare change to keep on listing them.
<< Deja vue all over again. Like Jan 31. Tonight Teletrade had: 1961 B PCGS 65 at $170 at 8:20 but did not sell 1964 D C PCGS 63 at $320 at 8:20 but did not sell. >>
These prices, (IF true bids, not Reserves) all things considered, are actually quite good.
When I first began making these, population for the 61 in 65 was in single digits. I'm fairly certain there are MORE PCGS 65 1961 Type B and more than likely at least a few in 66 by Now!
I'll have to pull up the pop reports from that point in time along with actual auction results but I'm pretty sure that the level shown here was right at the prices realized back then!
The 1961-P MS65 would have sold at $180 plus the juice had anyone bid that level The 1964-D MS63 would have sold at $340 plus the juice had anyone bid that level
The fact that no one did in fact bid those levels simply illustrates once again just how "thin" this market really is to this day. A reality quite favorable to those collectors (like myself) assembling nice Wash quarter variety sets these days. Not so good for "cherrypickers" who work hard to locate these jewels.
Wondercoin
Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.
I just looked at the pop report and have to agree with Mitch (wondercoin).
As such, with a population of less than 20 in PCGS 65 the 1961 Type B FS-901 is indeed a BARGAIN - even at $200!
Even with the influx of submissions, as a rule, PCGS 65 and higher are tough to come by with very few in 66 (ALL YEARS) and 67s being EXTREMELY TOUGH, a miniscule % of totals minted. Some years have ZERO in 6 & 7.
I recall reading that the projected # of Type B (Silvers- 56-64) to be "guesstimated" @ 5%. NO WAY - not even close. I'm glad to see the "B" series (etc) incorporated into The Registry but moreso, to finally attain the respect and attention they merit & should - for Historical purposes.
PCGS is doing a great job in all areas.
This series, long the workhorse of daily commerce, is only BEGINNING to yield the many Varieties & sub-varieties it holds.
To the avid collectors/ submitters - Don't get discouraged because these coins ARE INDEED quite scarce to RARE!
I'll be sending more in, in the very foreseeable future. Good Luck & Happy Hunting!
I view these coins as VAMs on Morgans. Neat to look for, if you are into that. Some of them are likely "rare", but, only to those that collect them.
Recognition by PCGS/NGC will lead to credence, but for most of the collectors of the issue, there isn't a need for them (until they get into the registry, and even then, not everyone will do them), and until there is a need, the prices are unlikely to inflate much. Plus, there would have to be some marketing behind them to really propel them. I don't see that happening right now, nor in the near future.
Comments
Ken was bammed? Certainly, he should be given reconsideration, as he IS a valuable, as well as valued, member on these boards. For instance, look at the info given by him here, in this particular thread. The images COULD have been deleted, but being the good sport he is, he allowed HIS images, HIS info, to be shared so others could become better, more informed collectors. All this, in spite of being bammed.
I would like to see some consideration given to the clad B's of 1969 D - 1972 D.
Hoard the keys.
<< <i>For those wondering where Ken is (ksteelheader), you should know he was BAMMED. IMHO it was just wrong, he's a valuable asset to this board. >>
He's also a big proponent of the type "b's and is a fount knowledge on the subject.
<< <i>Credit this to the date. 1962 Type B's are really tough to find right now and literally ANY 1962 Type B will attract my attention as a bidder
pokerface...........
My avatar is my best poker face Vern!
The name is LEE!
<< <i>I pick this one I think I'll send it in what do you think. >>
Well, provided it graded, I think MS64 would be a fair grade.
If you're simply looking to get the coin slabbed then go4it.
If you are looking for value, the attribution fee alone would swamp the value of the coin.
The name is LEE!
<< <i><<I am happy that PCGS got a set going with each of these special coins having their very own slot. I petitioned Mr. Willis, and many on these boards followed with signatures on the petition that I eventually sent to him. I thank everyone that did and Mr. Willis and PCGS. Now if I could get them to create a short set for us... just the type B's and the type C>>
I would like to see some consideration given to the clad B's of 1969 D - 1972 D. >>
I totally agree Herb! For the Type B Reverse Washington's, grading aside, these are the real rarities!
The name is LEE!
<< <i><<I am happy that PCGS got a set going with each of these special coins having their very own slot. I petitioned Mr. Willis, and many on these boards followed with signatures on the petition that I eventually sent to him. I thank everyone that did and Mr. Willis and PCGS. Now if I could get them to create a short set for us... just the type B's and the type C>>
I would like to see some consideration given to the clad B's of 1969 D - 1972 D. >>
I agree with you, however the clad B's don't have much of a chance considering that they are not in the CPG. I think that getting the Clad B's recognized by PCGS will be tougher because of this. The best thing you can do is to get all the info that you have on them, including selling prices and plead your case to PCGS. I am sure that there are several of us on these boards that would be willing to support you.
Edited to correct typo.
$10.00 big one's he was asking 15.00 till I pointed out the hit on the top of the wing.
Hoard the keys.
<< <i>
<< <i><<I am happy that PCGS got a set going with each of these special coins having their very own slot. I petitioned Mr. Willis, and many on these boards followed with signatures on the petition that I eventually sent to him. I thank everyone that did and Mr. Willis and PCGS. Now if I could get them to create a short set for us... just the type B's and the type C>>
I would like to see some consideration given to the clad B's of 1969 D - 1972 D. >>
I agree with you, however the clad B's don't have much of a chance considering that they are not in the CPG. I think that getting the Clad B's recognized by PCGS will be tougher because of this. The best thing you can do is to get all the info that you have on them, including selling prices and plead your case to PCGS. I am sure that there are several of us on these boards that would be willing to support you. >>
Plead all you want...........It'll ever happen until they hit the CPG.
we tried it with the RDV-006 IKE.
The name is LEE!
Wondercoin
<< <i>what about the 69 different MN tree coins? How in the world did those ever make it into the registry?
Wondercoin >>
I asked my self the same thing.
<< <i>what about the 69 different MN tree coins? How in the world did those ever make it into the registry?
Wondercoin >>
Simple Mitch and you oughta know this. PCGS goes where the money is and folks were buying these right and left. The attributors were going wild and new varieties made the cover of Coin World for about 6 weeks straight! They were hot and PCGS agreed (with someone) to attribute them.
The RDV-006 never had such fanfare just because it was an IKE. "Seen one--you seen em all", "Ho-Hum <yawn>", etc.
PCGS follows the market. It followed the Extra Tree's, the Wisconsin Extra Leaf's, the Speared Bison, the "New" Volume 2 CPG, and the Presidential edge lettering errors.
However, we can't count the IKE's out just yet!
The name is LEE!
Wondercoin
<< <i>Lee: I "set you up" nice with that question!
Wondercoin >>
You sure did. Thanks.
The name is LEE!
I've finally had a chance to look through most of my original rolls and BU rolls
of the early Denver clad quarters and got totally skunked; not a single specimen
of any date. I was pretty discouraged by the end and was mostly just spot
checking but there probably are none. I did find a couple things I forgot I had
like partial rolls of early '80's type "d" reverse quarters. Some of these would
be even scarcer than the type B's if I didn't have partial rolls of them. There
are two I lack in unc at all.
It's almost a certainty there will be a few XF/ AU type "b' in a safety deposit box
but I doubt I own a single unc.
So everyone counting on me to save these for them has been let down. I'd
apologize but it really wasn't my job.
I think I saw a bid of $475 on the toned PCGS 67 1957 type B. It ended not sold.
1964 PCGS 45 sold for $30
My Washington Type B/C Set
<< <i>I watched the TT auction as well. Guess the price drop a couple weeks ago from $450 to $350 on this coin really didn't have merit, what does everyone think? >>
I think that the seller of this coin is probably the same seller as the MS63 1964D Type C coin that doesn't get sold for $450.
There are 9 Type B Attributed coins in MS67. There are 172 1957 Washingtons in MS67 and until each of those is checked, the population is tenuous and really could double overnight.
Basically, the seller has a specific price in mind which will push the envelope. I don't think it will work since the popularity of the Type B Reverse appears to have a limited audience.
The name is LEE!
That is a very interesting statement. Bill Edwards said 5% of the 1957's were type B. If that holds for MS 67's, then 8.6 will be type B's. That is very close to the the 9 Lee needs to double the population. How many have been cherrypicked already? How many have never been checked?
edited to change 8.2 to 8.6
<< <i><<There are 9 Type B Attributed coins in MS67. There are 172 1957 Washingtons in MS67 and until each of those is checked, the population is tenuous and really could double overnight.>>
That is a very interesting statement. Bill Edwards said 5% of the 1957's were type B. If that holds for MS 67's, then 8.2 will be type B's. That is very close to the the 9 Lee needs to double the population. How many have been cherrypicked already? How many have never been checked? >>
All very good questions which creates caution when paying more than current price guide.
The name is LEE!
Lee - Bear in mind that if the coins start selling at $400 or $500 per, the price guide will likely follow. For example, take the 1961 Ty B pop 2 MS66- price guide at $1,000 but a coin has never traded yet at any price. What if I decide to sell mine at $1,200? Is it a bad buy for the buyer because the guide shows only $1,000? Heck, that (would be) pop 2/0 1964 Ty B could sell for $1,500, $1,800 or who knows what (even unattributed). If the 1964 trades at $1,800 (hypothetically), the 1961 could adjust up to match it in a heatbeat. Conclusion - I wouldn't worry about what the price guide says. I would make sure one knows their specialty area very well before buying at whatever price they chose.
Wondercoin
You all make very strong points. We can even take Mitch's point a little further (hypothetically). Take for example I just made a 1960 type B at NGC in MS67 (which I actually did) with thier pop let's say a little over 50 and PCGS' under 10. Looking @ Heritage's archive for PCGS 1960 in MS67 I see 2 of them are type A. What if I were to get mine crossed (if I decide to try it), I don't think I would worry about the other hand full that have not been looked at
Ken
My Washington Type B/C Set
Making a '60 Type B MS67 either here or ATS is a nice score! Must be a looker!!!
<< <i>I made 4 1960 PCGS MS66 quarters last summer that are type B reverses. Would it be worth having them attributed? I also have unattributed MS66 type B's in 1957, 1958, and 1961. Shoud I send them in? >>
Yes
The name is LEE!
<< <i>Well, we have a '64 Type B, PCGS MS64, attributed, on the 'bay. Ended Dec 7th, a BIN of $175. We NEED ksteelheader back to update this thread!!!! >>
And a 1964 Type B PCGS MS64 which ended on 1/17/2010 at $50.99 + $3.00 shipping.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>Well, we have a '64 Type B, PCGS MS64, attributed, on the 'bay. Ended Dec 7th, a BIN of $175. We NEED ksteelheader back to update this thread!!!! >>
Don't hold your breath for that. I sent a PM to Willis and he wasn't even polite enough to respond.
The name is LEE!
The name is LEE!
1961 B PCGS 65 no sale but $190 bid 10 minutes before close.
1963 B ANACS 65 $18
1964 D C PCGS 63 no sale but $350 bid 10 minutes before close.
The 8th 1960 type B PCGS 64 since 9 Dec on ebay just sold for $31.00 + $1.58.
The others ranged from $15.49 to $36.00 + $1.58.
1961 "B" PCGS 63 $34.56 + $4.00
1961 B PCGS 65 at $170 at 8:20 but did not sell
1964 D C PCGS 63 at $320 at 8:20 but did not sell.
<< <i>Deja vue all over again. Like Jan 31. Tonight Teletrade had:
1961 B PCGS 65 at $170 at 8:20 but did not sell
1964 D C PCGS 63 at $320 at 8:20 but did not sell. >>
Either someone is buried in both of those coins or they have lots of spare change to keep on listing them.
1961 B PCGS 65 at $170 at 8:20 but did not sell
1964 D C PCGS 63 at $320 at 8:20 but did not sell. >>
These prices, (IF true bids, not Reserves) all things considered, are actually quite good.
When I first began making these, population for the 61 in 65 was in single digits.
I'm fairly certain there are MORE PCGS 65 1961 Type B and more than likely at
least a few in 66 by Now!
I'll have to pull up the pop reports from that point in time along with actual auction results
but I'm pretty sure that the level shown here was right at the prices realized back then!
The 1964-D MS63 would have sold at $340 plus the juice had anyone bid that level
The fact that no one did in fact bid those levels simply illustrates once again just how "thin" this market really is to this day. A reality quite favorable to those collectors (like myself) assembling nice Wash quarter variety sets these days. Not so good for "cherrypickers" who work hard to locate these jewels.
Wondercoin
As such, with a population of less than 20 in PCGS 65 the 1961 Type B FS-901 is indeed a BARGAIN - even at $200!
Even with the influx of submissions, as a rule, PCGS 65 and higher are tough to come by with very few in 66
(ALL YEARS) and 67s being EXTREMELY TOUGH, a miniscule % of totals minted. Some years have ZERO in 6 & 7.
I recall reading that the projected # of Type B (Silvers- 56-64) to be "guesstimated" @ 5%.
NO WAY - not even close. I'm glad to see the "B" series (etc) incorporated into The Registry but
moreso, to finally attain the respect and attention they merit & should - for Historical purposes.
PCGS is doing a great job in all areas.
This series, long the workhorse of daily commerce, is only BEGINNING to yield the many Varieties & sub-varieties it holds.
To the avid collectors/ submitters - Don't get discouraged because these coins ARE INDEED quite scarce to RARE!
I'll be sending more in, in the very foreseeable future.
Neat to look for, if you are into that. Some of them are likely "rare", but, only to those that collect them.
Recognition by PCGS/NGC will lead to credence, but for most of the collectors of the issue, there isn't a need for them (until they get into the registry, and even then, not everyone will do them), and until there is a need, the prices are unlikely to inflate much.
Plus, there would have to be some marketing behind them to really propel them. I don't see that happening right now, nor in the near future.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Hoard the keys.
Type2, keep pickin' away, as I'm doing!!