<< <i>Like I said about a month ago, mediocre teams.
Steve >>
Yes, but if recent history is a guide, a so-called "mediocre" team can get hot towards the end of the season, and perhaps not always win a World Series, but get into one or at least win a playoff series against a superior team - you see this time and time again. So for now, I'll focus on getting into the playoffs and hope the Phils have some momentum at the end of the season to again propel them to a NL pennant and hopefully another WS championship.
Frankly, I still think the Marlins and the Braves will fade out of contention by September with the Phils and Mets going neck and neck...but ya never know for sure...long way to go yet.
<< <i>The only mediocre team I remember winning anything was the Cards and they won 105 games the year before.
Steve >>
Well, it depends on the definition of "mediocre" - it's a lot tougher in MLB for a truly mediocre team to get in the playoffs versus hockey and basketball whereby some mediocre teams getting into the playoffs is the rule not the exception. Even in the NFL now, some mediocre teams sometimes get into the playoffs.
The Marlins back in 2003 winning it in my opinion were basically a mediocre team that played over their heads.
Houston was a mediocre team in 2005, and lost in the WS.
The Rockies were a mediocre team in 2007, getting amazingly red hot the last few weeks of the season, and barely squeaking into the playoffs, and lost in the WS
Tampa Bay was a young team playing over their heads last season and lost in the WS.
There are a number of examples of better/superior teams losing in the playoffs, not even getting to the Series, losing to less talented, even sometimes "mediocre" teams - upsets happen all the time.
maybe its that all the teams in the east can actually play ball and they are beating each other up? In the end it doesn't matter what your record is, only 4 teams play in the playoffs and if you don't get hot then, you can go home, as the Dodgers about that in the playoffs, they came up against a far superior team and layed down.
Phils are in first, right where we all expected them to be, they will be in the playoffs like we expect and then win the whole darn thing like we expect.
Will we be passing out best regular season record trophies?
An interesting exchange between the two Steves befire Kevin's expectedly nonsensical post...
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<< <i>Phils are in first, right where we all expected them to be, they will be in the playoffs like we expect and then win the whole darn thing like we expect. Kevin >>
In first place, 2 or 3 games above .500 is not much to cheer about. Phillies fans with long memories recall...what year was it? 1983? They were in first place at mid-season, barely above .500 and their manager was fired.
Hamesl has pitched like a #4 starter for most of the season, so Blanton must be your #1 guy now..
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Rollins is having a bad year but was able to make your #1 guy look like Steve Bedrosian! Nice of Luis Castillo to step it up while Wright and the boys run and hide.
<< <i>Stevek why don't you tell us how the Sillies win year after year?
I see you avoided that question.
Steve >>
Come on Steve - you know the Phillies payroll until some recent years, wasn't even close to those of the Mets and Yankees - to believe that teams whose players were stolen by other teams, that this didn't affect their chances of winning to a large degree or at least some degree...I know you know better than that.
...now that the playing field is at least somewhat level, the Phillies by any calculation, have been very successful in recent years.
Note to WinPitcher how the Mets payroll is still 20% higher than the Phillies, yet the Phillies have outplayed them in recent seasons - I think that tells ya the Phillies management is better, much better, than the Mets. Case closed.
That is probably the most ignorant statement you continue to make.
Players are FREE to play where they want!
Just like you are FREE to work where you want.
Stop whining that the NY teams pay better, they have too things cost more here.
Steve >>
Okay, I is sorry for the word "steal"...it was too strong.
The Mets and Yankees have robbed, pillaged, plundered, swiped, pinched, looted, ransacked, and committed outright thievery of other team's players for many years.
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<< <i>Like I said about a month ago, mediocre teams.
Steve >>
Yes, but if recent history is a guide, a so-called "mediocre" team can get hot towards the end of the season, and perhaps not always win a World Series, but get into one or at least win a playoff series against a superior team - you see this time and time again. So for now, I'll focus on getting into the playoffs and hope the Phils have some momentum at the end of the season to again propel them to a NL pennant and hopefully another WS championship.
Frankly, I still think the Marlins and the Braves will fade out of contention by September with the Phils and Mets going neck and neck...but ya never know for sure...long way to go yet.
Steve
<< <i>The only mediocre team I remember winning anything was the Cards and they won 105 games the year before.
Steve >>
Well, it depends on the definition of "mediocre" - it's a lot tougher in MLB for a truly mediocre team to get in the playoffs versus hockey and basketball whereby some mediocre teams getting into the playoffs is the rule not the exception. Even in the NFL now, some mediocre teams sometimes get into the playoffs.
The Marlins back in 2003 winning it in my opinion were basically a mediocre team that played over their heads.
Houston was a mediocre team in 2005, and lost in the WS.
The Rockies were a mediocre team in 2007, getting amazingly red hot the last few weeks of the season, and barely squeaking into the playoffs, and lost in the WS
Tampa Bay was a young team playing over their heads last season and lost in the WS.
There are a number of examples of better/superior teams losing in the playoffs, not even getting to the Series, losing to less talented, even sometimes "mediocre" teams - upsets happen all the time.
teams play in the playoffs and if you don't get hot then, you can go home, as the Dodgers about that in the playoffs, they came up against a far superior
team and layed down.
Phils are in first, right where we all expected them to be, they will be in the playoffs like we expect and then win the whole darn thing like we expect.
Will we be passing out best regular season record trophies?
LMAO
Kevin
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<< <i>Phils are in first, right where we all expected them to be, they will be in the playoffs like we expect and then win the whole darn thing like we expect.
Kevin >>
In first place, 2 or 3 games above .500 is not much to cheer about. Phillies fans with long memories recall...what year was it? 1983? They were in first place at mid-season, barely above .500 and their manager was fired.
Philadelphia 41 37 .526 - - 4-6 W2 21-15 5-3 9-7 6-12 15-22 26-15 23-26 18-11 6-5 9-10 405 388 41-37 7/4 vs NYM, W 4-1 7/5 vs NYM, 1:35P
Florida 42 40 .512 1.0 82 6-4 W1 19-10 7-14 6-8 10-8 24-21 18-19 22-30 20-10 6-3 14-9 376 399 39-43 7/4 vs PIT, W 5-3 7/5 vs PIT, 1:10P
Atlanta 39 41 .488 3.0 81 5-5 L1 16-11 11-14 5-8 7-8 21-21 18-20 22-29 17-12 5-3 15-12 341 349 39-41 7/4 @ WSH, L 3-5 7/5 @ WSH, 1:35P
New York 39 41 .488 3.0 81 3-7 L2 18-14 12-11 4-6 5-10 22-17 17-24 29-32 10-9 4-5 14-12 355 373 38-42 7/4 @ PHI, L 1-4 7/5 @ PHI, 1:35P
Washington 23 55 .295 18.0 67 3-7 W1 7-31 4-7 5-6 7-11 14-26 9-29 17-39 6-16 2-8 8-12 345 448 30-48 7/4 vs ATL, W 5-3 7/5 vs ATL, 1:35P
NO MAS NO MAS
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NO MAS NO MAS >>
Excellent series and it was great to see the relief pitching do well...that's a very, VERY good sign.
Kevin
PS, Ok sorry thats rubbing it in.
comes kevin.
Steve
chirp, chirp
The Nats just called, they want 4th place
<< <i>Phillies take at least 2 outa 3 from the Pets this weekend series. Book it. >>
HA!!!!!You were wrong Steve
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<< <i>Phillies take at least 2 outa 3 from the Pets this weekend series. Book it. >>
HA!!!!!You were wrong Steve
Steve
I never understoods that?
Help me understands...thanks!
<< <i>Yeah complete domination. Too bad that your team is 5 and 4 vs the Mets thus far this year.
Steve >>
Better than last year, when the Mets won the season series.
How did that work out for the Mets?
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WinPitcher - how come the Mets never win nothin' with all them high priced players...them superstars?
I dunno Stevek why don't you tell us how the Sillies win year after year?
Here we go it's all about salary now.
The Sillies are paying pretty good as of late too.
Or are you in denial?
Steve
Stalin I wish you knew something about baseball but since you don't I'll simply add it was a 2-0 game!
That is how it worked out.
Steve
run and hide.
I see you avoided that question.
Steve
<< <i>Stevek why don't you tell us how the Sillies win year after year?
I see you avoided that question.
Steve >>
Come on Steve - you know the Phillies payroll until some recent years, wasn't even close to those of the Mets and Yankees - to believe that teams whose players were stolen by other teams, that this didn't affect their chances of winning to a large degree or at least some degree...I know you know better than that.
...now that the playing field is at least somewhat level, the Phillies by any calculation, have been very successful in recent years.
Team
Payroll
Average
Yankees $201,449,289 $7,748,050
Mets $135,773,988 $4,849,071
Cubs $135,050,000 $5,402,000
Red Sox $122,696,000 $4,089,867
Tigers $115,085,145 $4,110,184
Angels $113,709,000 $4,061,036
Phillies $113,004,048 $4,185,335
Astros $102,996,415 $3,814,682
Dodgers $100,458,101 $4,018,324
Mariners $98,904,167 $3,532,292
Braves $96,726,167 $3,335,385
White Sox $96,068,500 $3,694,942
Cardinals $88,528,411 $3,278,830
Giants $82,161,450 $3,043,017
Indians $81,625,567 $3,023,169
Blue Jays $80,993,657 $2,892,631
Brewers $79,857,502 $3,194,300
Rockies $75,201,000 $2,785,222
D-backs $73,571,667 $2,724,877
Reds $70,968,500 $2,957,021
Royals $70,908,333 $2,727,244
Rangers $68,646,023 $2,367,104
Orioles $67,101,667 $2,580,833
Twins $65,299,267 $2,251,699
Rays $63,313,035 $2,183,208
Athletics $62,310,000 $2,225,357
Nationals $59,328,000 $2,045,793
Pirates $48,743,000 $1,874,731
Padres $42,796,700 $1,528,454
Marlins $36,814,000 $1,314,786
The Mets took the season series last yr and the difference between 135 mill and 118 or whatever it is is miniscule.
Cmon Steve you can do better then this.
Now it's the management that is better. lol you really are reaching.
The difference this year is the Phillies have stayed relatively healthy while the Mets have not.
I'd like to see what the Phillies record would be without Howard, Utley and Werth out of the lineup.
As it is you are bragging about possibly the WORST division leader in all of baseball.
When the 4th place team is ONLY 4 games back and the second place team has MORE wins then the leader
that tells me the leader sucks as bad as the rest.
Thanks for showing the payroll the Phillies have the 13th best record in baseball yet the payroll is in the top 7
yeah they are getting their moneys worth!!
Steve
That is probably the most ignorant statement you continue to make.
Players are FREE to play where they want!
Just like you are FREE to work where you want.
Stop whining that the NY teams pay better, they have too things cost more here.
Steve
Methinks the Phillies paid out a lot more but Stevek won't make mention of that.
Steve it's ok you can boast all you want about how great the Phillies are.
Fans that know better see right through that nonsense.
Your team is one 4 game losing streak from 4th place itself in that division.
Steve
<< <i>Yeah we 'steal' players.
That is probably the most ignorant statement you continue to make.
Players are FREE to play where they want!
Just like you are FREE to work where you want.
Stop whining that the NY teams pay better, they have too things cost more here.
Steve >>
Okay, I is sorry for the word "steal"...it was too strong.
The Mets and Yankees have robbed, pillaged, plundered, swiped, pinched, looted, ransacked, and committed outright thievery of other team's players for many years.
There, was that better?
BAM
LOL
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<< <i>come on Phils - We need some insurance runs.
LOL >>
Only 6 that inning.
<< <i>The Sillies are making some noise, no doubt.. >>
come on Grote15 - you know the forum rules...when the Phillies score over 20 runs they cannot be referred to as the "Sillies" for a 24 hour period.
LOL
PHI (42-37) 10 1 1 4 0 0 0 6 22 21 0
<< <i>CIN (40-40) 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 5 1
PHI (42-37) 10 1 1 4 0 0 0 6 22 21 0 >>
Can't wait to hear how WinPitcher is gonna badmouth this effort by the Phillies. Come on Steve, let's hear it. LOL