2009 ULTRA HIGH RELIEF GOLD COIN 1 $1,189.00 $1,189.00 1 unit shipped on 03/13/2009 2009 ULTRA HIGH RELIEF GOLD COIN BOOK 1 $0.00 $0.00 1 unit backordered. Expected to ship on 04/01/2009.
I haven't been following this UHR thread very closely, but I checked eBay prices on these and am curious as to why there is a such a high premium on these considering they are still available from the mint for less. Is it just that people can't wait until May or June to get their hands on one of these that they are willing to pay a $200-$400 premium for the raw coins?
I have one on backorder at the old price, but was considering canceling the order due to my economic circumstances. Looking at eBay though I think it might be worth getting it just to flip.
So does anyone have any insight to the premium and whether or not you think it will stick around for at least another couple of months?
DOES EVERYBODY BELIEVE ME NOW?!?!? THIS IS THE REASON WHY THE UHR IS NO LONGER BACKORDERED TODAY. CUZ TODAY IS THE 13TH WHICH IS THE DAY THEY RESUME SHIPPING AS OUTLINED BELOW!!! THIS DAY IS ALSO THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THEIR NEW SIGNATURE POLICY.
HEY, THIS IS NO COINCENDENCE!! I ORIGINALLY WROTE THE INFORMATION BELOW TWO DAYS AGO!! THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS INFORMATION IS SIMPLY EVIL!! THINK ABOUT IT!!
THIS IS AMAZING!
Based on my understanding of a conversation I had with an employee at the Mint in D.C., whose name I will not reveal to prevent any retaliation against her, I was provided the following information.
ALLEGEDLY, the Mint has known all this time which orders were going to be shipped and which orders were NOT going to be shipped for at least the last two weeks.
ALLEGEDLY, more than two weeks ago, the Mint had finished preparing certain orders for shipping. These prepared orders are the orders that the Mint has been shipping over the past two weeks. The Mint knew that only these prepared orders would be shipped through today.
So, ALLEGEDLY, if you have called the Mint over the past two weeks to check the status of your order, the Mint knew at that time whether or not your order was going to ship and DID NOT tell you.
ALLEGEDLY, the Mint has NOT prepared ANY additional orders for shipping other than those prepared orders mentioned above.
ALLEGEDLY, the Mint actually stopped shipping ANY additional orders.
ALLEGEDLY, the Mint will resume shipping additional orders this Friday, March 13, 2009.
ALLEGEDLY, the Mint knew that their FIFO shipping policy that their customers relied on had been completely disregarded and is sufficiently ready and willing to blame PBGS for this critical error.
If the abovementioned information is true, and I have no reason to believe it is not since it was told to me so 'matter of fact', then the Mint has lost the trust and respect of an entire generation of numismatists, if not more. The actions and the behavior by the Mint is deplorable, profoundly disturbing, and inexcusable. Even a public apology seems inadequate at best. Nevertheless, numismatists and citizens should know the truth. This is your government; these are your tax dollars. These people are supposedly required to report to you, the people. Demand the truth. Demand a remedy.
2009 ULTRA HIGH RELIEF GOLD COIN 1 $1,189.00 $1,189.00 1 unit shipped on 03/13/2009 2009 ULTRA HIGH RELIEF GOLD COIN BOOK 1 $0.00 $0.00 1 unit backordered. Expected to ship on 04/01/2009.
Two days too late for FS, that's just not right. >>
Not right in a big way! Mine was shipped yesterday 03/12 and delivered today. There was absolutely no emotion whatsoever. Hell, UPS could've been delivering friggin bread and I would have been more excited.
The Mint could have delivered all these coins before the 11th. You have to read what I just wrote about the Mint in this thread because it explains why our coins did not get delivered.
I wouldn't put too much stock in those figures yet. I'll bet there is still a considerable number of coins in the grading pipeline. The deadline was for submissions, not grading.
I wouldn't put too much stock in those figures yet. I'll bet there is still a considerable number of coins in the grading pipeline. The deadline was for submissions, not grading. >>
They have no place to go but up with 75% of the coins grading MS70.
Not so great for flippers, but people are getting nice, good quality coins.
I think it's because the die making process is much more precise...as is the actual pressing of the coins. Look at most early 20th C. coins vs. modern commems and you'll see the same thing.
But this is as close to the original as can be imagined. I hate the Saint "bullion" coin as compared to the old Saint.
<< <i>I haven't been following this UHR thread very closely, but I checked eBay prices on these and am curious as to why there is a such a high premium on these considering they are still available from the mint for less. Is it just that people can't wait until May or June to get their hands on one of these that they are willing to pay a $200-$400 premium for the raw coins?
I have one on backorder at the old price, but was considering canceling the order due to my economic circumstances. Looking at eBay though I think it might be worth getting it just to flip.
So does anyone have any insight to the premium and whether or not you think it will stick around for at least another couple of months? >>
A lot of collectors & dealers would like to have more than one set in hand or do not deal with the US Mint. It's been like this for years on eBay.
"Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
I think the new UHR is spectacular and a very close interpretation of the original. If the mint were to issue these every year, I would collect them as a series.
The "compromised" circulating 1907 high relief is still attractive, despite the lowered relief.
The standard 1907-1933 flattened coin is a terrible eyesore. Only the reverse is acceptable. Regardless of rarity or pop reports, I only want one decent example for my type set. The flat leg, the smashed in face.....the whole obverse looks like a mistake.
The bullion gold eagle, both obverse and reverse, is so laughable, it's not even worth discussing.
<< <i>I think the new UHR is spectacular and a very close interpretation of the original. If the mint were to issue these every year, I would collect them as a series.
The "compromised" circulating 1907 high relief is still attractive, despite the lowered relief.
The standard 1907-1933 flattened coin is a terrible eyesore. Only the reverse is acceptable. Regardless of rarity or pop reports, I only want one decent example for my type set. The flat leg, the smashed in face.....the whole obverse looks like a mistake.
The bullion gold eagle, both obverse and reverse, is so laughable, it's not even worth discussing. >>
Except I wouldn't collect them as a series. Just one is fine with me.
<< <i>Well, I just got my grades from PCGS on my two UHRs. One's a 70 and one's a 69.
I'm a little bummed because I just got laid off, and figured I'd sell 'em both, so I lose a little there... >>
Say what? You lose a little where?? You paid to have the coins graded so you could flip them, and it looks like that is what you did. Were you expecting PCGS to give you 70's because you were laid off? I don't get it, you should make money on the 70, sell the 69 for cost and you are still ahead thanks to the US Mint and PCGS.
The standard 1907-1933 flattened coin is a terrible eyesore. Only the reverse is acceptable. . >>
Oh man...I think you haven't seen the better coins. Many of the great dates in the 1920's had spectacular obverses.
A "terrible eyesore"?? If that's true than every coin we've made since 1932 is eye-death. >>
Still, the flattened 1907-33 st Gaudens $20 is far more inspiring than anything from 1932 through today.
The problem I have with the original 07-33 $20 version is the choice of Liberty striding forward in low relief. If St. Gaudens were alive to see what Barber and others did to his original concept, he would have begged to scrap the idea for a standard profile portrait. His original idea ONLY WORKS IN HIGH RELIEF.
Of course, collectors like you have cream of the crop, mark-free examples of the low relief style, and they probably look great when fully struck. But those are few and far between. Date/mintmark collectors like you, would be excluded from my commentary. I am simply comparing one 1909 UHR with the single highest quality 07-33. A sharply struck 07-33 cannot compare to an ultra high relief. Don't you agree?
just to help show a timeline (pcgs) my uhr was shipped 2 march i received it 3 march i shipped it (next day to pcgs for regular service(not expedited or express) on 4 march pcgs received it 5 march, entered in their system 6 march i saw results posted this afternoon (3:00edt) 13 march i thought i saw a minor scuff, hoped it was on the capsule, she graded ms70
Just my luck #$$*&***&%*&%&* the UHR coin was delivered. I was one of the fist who ordered it on Jan 22nd.
Yesterday my CC was charged and today March 13th, Friday the 13th, a package arrive on my doorstep. WOuld you believe the date on the package is March 12, 2009. I called PCGS and they have been getting calls to day asking if it was AT ALL POSSIBLE to accept the UHF for first strike... NO WAY, bummer.
Hi everyone, glad to hear some of you have received your coin but sorry to hear others are still waiting.
I mailed two complaint letters to the Mint in DC last week and have not received a response as of today. The last thing the Mint should do is not respond to complaints but looks like that is what they have decided to do.
Oh well, they may lose our business they know there will always be someone else to buy their items.
<< <i>Hi everyone, glad to hear some of you have received your coin but sorry to hear others are still waiting.
I mailed two complaint letters to the Mint in DC last week and have not received a response as of today. The last thing the Mint should do is not respond to complaints but looks like that is what they have decided to do.
Oh well, they may lose our business they know there will always be someone else to buy their items. >>
<< <i>Am I correct that across the street the deadline has passed and they do not accept sealed boxes for er designation? >>
Yes Casman you are correct.
Joe >>
What was the cutoff date?
I thought you could submit sealed boxes, as long as they were mailed before the deadline? >>
I seem to remember (reading? hearing?) that if the date the box was sent falls within the 30 day window (March 11th), you'd have 30 days to send it in, box unopened, to be eligible for First Strike status... seems to me, however, if the box remains unopened, no matter when you sent it in, should be eligible for FS...
Anyone know for certain?
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I don't know if someone else has posted this, but I just noticed that the Mint's website now has a Q&A answer on the the homepage dealing with FIFO order processing...
<< <i>I don't know if someone else has posted this, but I just noticed that the Mint's website now has a Q&A answer on the the homepage dealing with FIFO order processing...
Comments
AND
POPS are:
42 - 69
149 - 70
I had the option of shared info or keep private.
not backordered at all.
that IS a sharp stick in the eye.
but, of course, they don't "do" FS/ER.
wonder if they got more stock or if they got more cancellations.
<<The Mint says the UHR is NOT on backorder any longer.....>>
Well...backordered or not, my second coin (thanks to a relative) as of this morning, isn't due to be delivered until mid-May.
Order Date: 01/22/2009 at 12:25 AM
Order Status: Your order request is in process
2009 ULTRA HIGH RELIEF GOLD COIN 1 $1,189.00 $1,189.00 1 unit shipped on 03/13/2009
2009 ULTRA HIGH RELIEF GOLD COIN BOOK 1 $0.00 $0.00 1 unit backordered. Expected to ship on 04/01/2009.
Two days too late for FS, that's just not right.
I have one on backorder at the old price, but was considering canceling the order due to my economic circumstances. Looking at eBay though I think it might be worth getting it just to flip.
So does anyone have any insight to the premium and whether or not you think it will stick around for at least another couple of months?
HEY, THIS IS NO COINCENDENCE!! I ORIGINALLY WROTE THE INFORMATION BELOW TWO DAYS AGO!! THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS INFORMATION IS SIMPLY EVIL!! THINK ABOUT IT!!
THIS IS AMAZING!
Based on my understanding of a conversation I had with an employee at the Mint in D.C., whose name I will not reveal to prevent any retaliation against her, I was provided the following information.
ALLEGEDLY, the Mint has known all this time which orders were going to be shipped and which orders were NOT going to be shipped for at least the last two weeks.
ALLEGEDLY, more than two weeks ago, the Mint had finished preparing certain orders for shipping. These prepared orders are the orders that the Mint has been shipping over the past two weeks. The Mint knew that only these prepared orders would be shipped through today.
So, ALLEGEDLY, if you have called the Mint over the past two weeks to check the status of your order, the Mint knew at that time whether or not your order was going to ship and DID NOT tell you.
ALLEGEDLY, the Mint has NOT prepared ANY additional orders for shipping other than those prepared orders mentioned above.
ALLEGEDLY, the Mint actually stopped shipping ANY additional orders.
ALLEGEDLY, the Mint will resume shipping additional orders this Friday, March 13, 2009.
ALLEGEDLY, the Mint knew that their FIFO shipping policy that their customers relied on had been completely disregarded and is sufficiently ready and willing to blame PBGS for this critical error.
If the abovementioned information is true, and I have no reason to believe it is not since it was told to me so 'matter of fact', then the Mint has lost the trust and respect of an entire generation of numismatists, if not more. The actions and the behavior by the Mint is deplorable, profoundly disturbing, and inexcusable. Even a public apology seems inadequate at best. Nevertheless, numismatists and citizens should know the truth. This is your government; these are your tax dollars. These people are supposedly required to report to you, the people. Demand the truth. Demand a remedy.
<< <i><<The Mint says the UHR is NOT on backorder any longer.....>>
Well...backordered or not, my second coin (thanks to a relative) as of this morning, isn't due to be delivered until mid-May. >>
Let's review.
1. If the "Mint" is the government.
2. The government is incompetent.
3. Incompetent people will say anything to cover up their incompetence. (especially to the "little" people)
<< <i>The Mint says the UHR is NOT on backorder any longer.....
AND
POPS are:
42 - 69
149 - 70 >>
Wow, I hoe I get a 69 since there is a lower population.
<< <i>Order number: 30827***
Order Date: 01/22/2009 at 12:25 AM
Order Status: Your order request is in process
2009 ULTRA HIGH RELIEF GOLD COIN 1 $1,189.00 $1,189.00 1 unit shipped on 03/13/2009
2009 ULTRA HIGH RELIEF GOLD COIN BOOK 1 $0.00 $0.00 1 unit backordered. Expected to ship on 04/01/2009.
Two days too late for FS, that's just not right. >>
Not right in a big way! Mine was shipped yesterday 03/12 and delivered today. There was absolutely no emotion whatsoever. Hell, UPS could've been delivering friggin bread and I would have been more excited.
The Mint could have delivered all these coins before the 11th. You have to read what I just wrote about the Mint in this thread because it explains why our coins did not get delivered.
<< <i>
<< <i>The Mint says the UHR is NOT on backorder any longer.....
AND
POPS are:
42 - 69
149 - 70 >>
Wow, I hoe I get a 69 since there is a lower population. >>
Where do see that? When I look up the fs coin number at pcgs I see 1/10/36.
Not doubting you just wondering where you found those numbers?
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>The Mint says the UHR is NOT on backorder any longer.....
AND
POPS are:
42 - 69
149 - 70 >>
Wow, I hoe I get a 69 since there is a lower population. >>
Where do see that? When I look up the fs coin number at pcgs I see 1/10/36.
Not doubting you just wondering where you found those numbers? >>
If you add a certificate number to your Registry set, you see a more updated number.
You can then delete said certificate number if you need to.
<< <i>
42 - 69
149 - 70 >>
I wouldn't put too much stock in those figures yet. I'll bet there is still a considerable number of coins in the grading pipeline. The deadline was for submissions, not grading.
I think it is going to be a low number of First Strikes on any Tpg's labels when it's all said and done.
As I said it before.. I don't care much for the 1st Strikes.. But, I had to get these UHR's slabbed that my for personal reasons..
<< <i>
<< <i>
42 - 69
149 - 70 >>
I wouldn't put too much stock in those figures yet. I'll bet there is still a considerable number of coins in the grading pipeline. The deadline was for submissions, not grading. >>
They have no place to go but up with 75% of the coins grading MS70.
Not so great for flippers, but people are getting nice, good quality coins.
It's an MS70...no doubt. But it will stay as is and not be slabbed.
It's an absolute gorgeous coin. A tad sharper than the ORIGINAL two but not quite as historic...
<< <i>got mine today. Hell, the box is almost as nice as the coin!
It's an MS70...no doubt. But it will stay as is and not be slabbed.
It's an absolute gorgeous coin. A tad sharper than the ORIGINAL two but not quite as historic...
What grade would you give the two you have in your hand Mr GURu..
<< <i>
It's an absolute gorgeous coin. A tad sharper than the ORIGINAL two but not quite as historic.. >>
Do you think that is becaus of the difference in gold content and the new ones being softer?
But this is as close to the original as can be imagined. I hate the Saint "bullion" coin as compared to the old Saint.
<< <i>I haven't been following this UHR thread very closely, but I checked eBay prices on these and am curious as to why there is a such a high premium on these considering they are still available from the mint for less. Is it just that people can't wait until May or June to get their hands on one of these that they are willing to pay a $200-$400 premium for the raw coins?
I have one on backorder at the old price, but was considering canceling the order due to my economic circumstances. Looking at eBay though I think it might be worth getting it just to flip.
So does anyone have any insight to the premium and whether or not you think it will stick around for at least another couple of months? >>
A lot of collectors & dealers would like to have more than one set in hand or do not deal with the US Mint. It's been like this for years on eBay.
I'm a little bummed because I just got laid off, and figured I'd sell 'em both, so I lose a little there...
The "compromised" circulating 1907 high relief is still attractive, despite the lowered relief.
The standard 1907-1933 flattened coin is a terrible eyesore. Only the reverse is acceptable. Regardless of rarity or pop reports, I only want one decent example for my type set. The flat leg, the smashed in face.....the whole obverse looks like a mistake.
The bullion gold eagle, both obverse and reverse, is so laughable, it's not even worth discussing.
<< <i>I think the new UHR is spectacular and a very close interpretation of the original. If the mint were to issue these every year, I would collect them as a series.
The "compromised" circulating 1907 high relief is still attractive, despite the lowered relief.
The standard 1907-1933 flattened coin is a terrible eyesore. Only the reverse is acceptable. Regardless of rarity or pop reports, I only want one decent example for my type set. The flat leg, the smashed in face.....the whole obverse looks like a mistake.
The bullion gold eagle, both obverse and reverse, is so laughable, it's not even worth discussing. >>
<< <i>
The standard 1907-1933 flattened coin is a terrible eyesore. Only the reverse is acceptable. . >>
Oh man...I think you haven't seen the better coins. Many of the great dates in the 1920's had spectacular obverses.
A "terrible eyesore"?? If that's true than every coin we've made since 1932 is eye-death.
<< <i>Well, I just got my grades from PCGS on my two UHRs. One's a 70 and one's a 69.
I'm a little bummed because I just got laid off, and figured I'd sell 'em both, so I lose a little there... >>
Say what? You lose a little where?? You paid to have the coins graded so you could flip them, and it looks like that is what you did. Were you expecting PCGS to give you 70's because you were laid off? I don't get it, you should make money on the 70, sell the 69 for cost and you are still ahead thanks to the US Mint and PCGS.
<< <i>
<< <i>
The standard 1907-1933 flattened coin is a terrible eyesore. Only the reverse is acceptable. . >>
Oh man...I think you haven't seen the better coins. Many of the great dates in the 1920's had spectacular obverses.
A "terrible eyesore"?? If that's true than every coin we've made since 1932 is eye-death.
Still, the flattened 1907-33 st Gaudens $20 is far more inspiring than anything from 1932 through today.
The problem I have with the original 07-33 $20 version is the choice of Liberty striding forward in low relief. If St. Gaudens were alive to see what Barber and others did to his original concept, he would have begged to scrap the idea for a standard profile portrait. His original idea ONLY WORKS IN HIGH RELIEF.
Of course, collectors like you have cream of the crop, mark-free examples of the low relief style, and they probably look great when fully struck. But those are few and far between. Date/mintmark collectors like you, would be excluded from my commentary. I am simply comparing one 1909 UHR with the single highest quality 07-33.
A sharply struck 07-33 cannot compare to an ultra high relief. Don't you agree?
1 1 143XXXXX 407405 2009 $20 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle US MS69
1 2 143XXXXX 407405 2009 $20 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle US MS70
1 3 143XXXXX 407405 2009 $20 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle US MS70
1 4 143XXXXX 407405 2009 $20 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle US MS69
1 5 143XXXXX 407405 2009 $20 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle US MS70
Not bad
my uhr was shipped 2 march
i received it 3 march
i shipped it (next day to pcgs for regular service(not expedited or express) on 4 march
pcgs received it 5 march, entered in their system 6 march
i saw results posted this afternoon (3:00edt) 13 march
i thought i saw a minor scuff, hoped it was on the capsule, she graded ms70
(l8-)>>
Yesterday my CC was charged and today March 13th, Friday the 13th, a package arrive on my doorstep. WOuld you believe the date on the package is March 12, 2009. I called PCGS and they have been getting calls to day asking if it was AT ALL POSSIBLE to accept the UHF for first strike... NO WAY, bummer.
The mint screws up again!!!!
GrandAm
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<< <i>Anyone tracking sales prices for PCGS MS69 1st Strike UHR Coins?
GrandAm
I sold one on the bay 3 days ago for 2,000.00
I mailed two complaint letters to the Mint in DC last week and have not received a response as of today. The last thing the Mint should do is not respond to complaints but looks like that is what they have decided to do.
Oh well, they may lose our business they know there will always be someone else to buy their items.
<< <i>Hi everyone, glad to hear some of you have received your coin but sorry to hear others are still waiting.
I mailed two complaint letters to the Mint in DC last week and have not received a response as of today. The last thing the Mint should do is not respond to complaints but looks like that is what they have decided to do.
Oh well, they may lose our business they know there will always be someone else to buy their items. >>
A week? Seriously? Patience, Grasshoppa.
<< <i>Am I correct that across the street the deadline has passed and they do not accept sealed boxes for er designation? >>
Yes Casman you are correct.
Joe
<< <i>
<< <i>Am I correct that across the street the deadline has passed and they do not accept sealed boxes for er designation? >>
Yes Casman you are correct.
Joe >>
What was the cutoff date?
I thought you could submit sealed boxes, as long as they were mailed before the deadline?
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>Am I correct that across the street the deadline has passed and they do not accept sealed boxes for er designation? >>
Yes Casman you are correct.
Joe >>
What was the cutoff date?
I thought you could submit sealed boxes, as long as they were mailed before the deadline?
I think you can send them in up until 6 months as long as they have a date of 3/10 or less and still sealed in original box with no tampering..
But don't quote me on this, because I am less in life and don't feel like getting wanked by a member tonight. Oh unless my wifey wants to do it.
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>Am I correct that across the street the deadline has passed and they do not accept sealed boxes for er designation? >>
Yes Casman you are correct.
Joe >>
What was the cutoff date?
I thought you could submit sealed boxes, as long as they were mailed before the deadline?
I seem to remember (reading? hearing?) that if the date the box was sent falls within the 30 day window (March 11th), you'd have 30 days to send it in, box unopened, to be eligible for First Strike status... seems to me, however, if the box remains unopened, no matter when you sent it in, should be eligible for FS...
Anyone know for certain?
A Truth That's Told With Bad Intent
Beats All The Lies You Can Invent
2009 $20 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle US MS70
I thought it would make it as I couldn't see any problems with it.
Q&A #205
They still claim FIFO order processing....
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Status: Ding, Ding...Ding, Ding...Ding, Ding...
See the following "ask NGC" question.
Ask NGC
PCGS is only option for Special designation now.
Joe
<< <i>I don't know if someone else has posted this, but I just noticed that the Mint's website now has a Q&A answer on the the homepage dealing with FIFO order processing...
Link
They still claim FIFO order processing....
Bad link
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Status: Ding, Ding...Ding, Ding...Ding, Ding...
I am is total shock.
Just rec'ed an E-mail from PCGS with the grade on my submission
of my un-opened box UHR....
I got a MS70........Woooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
I have never had that kind of luck with a coin before and I'm totally stoked..........
How does PCGS determine when the box was mailed. Will they accept the delivery confirmation info from the Post Office web site?
<< <i>I received my UHR on the 11th. However, there is nothing printed on the box that indicates when it was sent.
How does PCGS determine when the box was mailed. Will they accept the delivery confirmation info from the Post Office web site?
The invoice inside the box should say when it was packaged and shipped.