Greetings all! First time poster, long time lurker. I've been following the ongoing saga of the UHR coins. I got in late to the game, ordering mine back on Feb. 12 at the same time I ordered the Lincoln commemorative silver dollars. I guess they must be going down the list rather fast at this point because lo and behold I received this email tonight at 10:18.
<< <i>Greetings all! First time poster, long time lurker. I've been following the ongoing saga of the UHR coins. I got in late to the game, ordering mine back on Feb. 12 at the same time I ordered the Lincoln commemorative silver dollars. I guess they must be going down the list rather fast at this point because lo and behold I received this email tonight at 10:18. >>
Be sure to inspect it well, there have been some returns. Hopefully it's a nice one.
<< <i>I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I was never interested in FS designation. I only wanted a coin that I will consider the cornerpiece of my collection. >>
Yeah, I got mine on the 6th, but it's a keeper for me so it didn't go in. I feel very confident it would grade as a 70. If I were going to flip it would have went in quick. It's hard to say what the trend will be on these in the future.
Finally ....due to arrive today. Of course the signature is required now....good and bad. Good that they are taking valuable packages seriously now. Bad, I live in a secure building and wont be home today to sign, then have to figure a way to sneak out and go to the hub to pick up. damn wish they would let you pick up after 5 but i will have to wait till 8pm.
Comments: Since there is no chance for first strike, I will be keeping it in the original packaging. The packaging is everything everyone talks about.
The coin is actually fairly difficult to image. I am still not 100% happy with how it came out, but these two are the best of a lot of pics I took, and I do like the slightly tilted look on these.
As to the coin itself, mine seems to have the same qualities that many have related to, including die polish lines on the obverse, and a raised wire rim on the obverse. The reverse is flawless.
Overall, I am happy with the coin and the package, disappointed with PBGS, but that just means I will be keeping this one, not selling it as a FS and buying another one later.
Not really keeping up with this thread faithfully, I wonder how Charlie made out with his. Is he still keeping us up to date even though there was some early bashing?
1st graded PCGS MS70 was given to an unemployed faimily member who sold it for 10k. 2nd graded PCGS MS70 I have in my own collection.
3rd rcd. was returned to the mint. Damaged when the plastic holder opened in shipment. Dinged up. 4th rcd. was a PCGS FS MS70. Sold it. 5th rcd. was returned to the mint for an exchange. Waiting to see what shows up. 6th rcd. went to PCGS, will be a Non FS.
Holding a sealed box may certainly pay off. May also pay off with a dinged up UHR.
Now if the belly button becomes a documented variety that will be nice.
To me this whole navel issue seems like it could just be a trick of angles and light. My coin graded an MS70 (PCGS) and it had no apparent navel when viewed from the front. If I increased the viewing angle, the size of the appearing navel seemed proportional to the increased angle.
I have 1 that has a visual belly button. Compared to the others it is not the same. Bought 1 PCGS FS MS70 off EBAY as well. No visual belly button. Everybody should check the ones they have. Wouldn't this rock if it became something. The UHR w/ Belly Button showing.
<< <i>Do recall there is a very nice picture posted on this thread that shows it. That was where I first saw it. It was a pro photo....crystal clear. >>
On page 123 post by the imron are great pictures of belly button
<< <i>Do recall there is a very nice picture posted on this thread that shows it. That was where I first saw it. It was a pro photo....crystal clear. >>
On page 123 post by the imron are great pictures of belly button >>
Help, how could I go to page 123, the fast way, or do I step backwards a page at a time? Thanks!
On page 149,MsMorrisine has a pic of her coin with a clearly defined belly button showing.Not sure, but i think she returned that coin back to the mint.
<< <i>On page 149,MsMorrisine has a pic of her coin with a clearly defined belly button showing.Not sure, but i think she returned that coin back to the mint. >>
yup. and CharlieC has me second guessing it.
hmmmm.... mint error uhr.... hmmmm....
too late now.
called last night and another rep. says my Lincoln's were catalogued in on 3/9, one day before the UHR. So, there is conflicting info about whether my returns have all arrived.
still can't 100% trust them.
I'm going to have to fax a suggestion into the director's office. I've been wanting to give them some peace after everything, but if this info is in "the system" I don't see a reason why it can't be displayed on the order status page. Much more reliable than the people.
Looks like A LOT of UHR's are getting graded right now. If you look at the shared order page, almost every submission is for UHR's and almost all are MS70.
Maybe that is how you get a 70,if the navel shows,you get it,if not you get a 69.Mine must not show cause i only got the 69.Will check when i get it back from PCGS.
I have my doubts too. Charlie's first pic is not the best quality but he asserts that he has two of these UHRs in hand an that they are different with regards to "navel details". I'd like to see some hi qual. images of both coins. Hey Charlie can you support your assertion with good qual. images?
I am skeptical as to the existence of the navel varieties (highly detailed navel versus "light", "slight" or "weak" navel versus "no navel" variety). IMHO there is only one strike and it has a navel. Maybe, some of the later die strikes are "weaker" and thus showing a less detailed navel, but if only 500 coins are struck per die pair, then this is a lame argument.
I have scoured every page of this thread for UHR images and I cannot conclude or assert a "Navel" variety exists. They all have belly buttons, some more prominent than others and most of the non-navel enhanced "varieties" are either poor quality images; or light-angle elusive; or else artistic renditions of the "real" thing, but not true UHR images. I don't have the time tonight to cite all my resources and support for this argument, but if anyone wishes to differ with this conclusion, then let them post their evidence here and I will gladly post evidence to the contrary!
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<< <i>On page 149,MsMorrisine has a pic of her coin with a clearly defined belly button showing.Not sure, but i think she returned that coin back to the mint. >>
yup. and CharlieC has me second guessing it.
hmmmm.... mint error uhr.... hmmmm....
too late now.
called last night and another rep. says my Lincoln's were catalogued in on 3/9, one day before the UHR. So, there is conflicting info about whether my returns have all arrived.
still can't 100% trust them.
I'm going to have to fax a suggestion into the director's office. I've been wanting to give them some peace after everything, but if this info is in "the system" I don't see a reason why it can't be displayed on the order status page. Much more reliable than the people.
red circle error might be worth a bunch one day. >>
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Speaking of varities... I have louped 11 coins in hand, and only one (graded MS69) was very proof like. Mirrored fields and reliefs. The coin was absolutely striking, but I believe a small die scratch held it back from getting a 70. I don't have a picture to show it, but I'm wondering how many are being found with a proof like finish?
<< <i>did ASG's plasters or original coinage have navels? (aren't these supposed to be the product of digitally mapping those plasters?) >>
Great question. For what it is worth, the 1907 "Ultra High Relief" Double Eagle (struck nine times to show "every detail") fails to evidence a navel - at least as pictured on page 17 of Garrett and Guth's original edition 100 Greatest U.S. Coins. Of course that plaster was sized the same as the one used for the 1907 High Relief. I have also taken a look at a photo of the small diameter high relief pattern (J-1917) as pictured in the 10th Edition of United States Pattern Coins. Even with a loupe it is difficult to see if the navel is evident but to my eye it does appear that it is there. Maybe someone here has access to a better resolution photo of one of the 16 Small Diameter High Reliefs that were struck in 1907? My understanding is that it was the plaster for the J-1917 that was digitally used to create the current UHR of same diameter and thickness. Here is another current UHR I took a picture of as it was displayed by the U.S. Mint at the Portland show last week. For any of you who were lucky enough to get the pictured book with your UHR, please check out the UHR on the cover page of the accompanying "book" as to any evidence of the navel and report back to us.
"I have my doubts too. Charlie's first pic is not the best quality but he asserts that he has two of these UHRs in hand an that they are different with regards to "navel details". I'd like to see some hi qual. images of both coins. Hey Charlie can you support your assertion with good qual. images?" ANSWER: Tried getting a photo of both last night. Not enough detail. Camera can not get in close enough without fuzz. I was not the first to comment on the belly button. Seeing another member comment on this is what made me look at mine. This thread is the only instance where the belly button is mentioned (that I know of).
You might have not noticed the real high quality photo rgCoinGuy posted on page 197 of this thread. That shows it real well. Not much to guess on with that photo. It's crystal clear. If that is not a belly button showing what is it?
With 500 hits per die how much of what shows or does not show is wear? There are some very nice photos posted that do not show that aspect. Can't say all the photos are not all clear. Several on this thread are very nice high res photos.
I received my shipping confirmation from the mint last night @ around 7:12 p.m. Does anyone know how they are shipping the UHR's these days? I have not been keeping up with this, so I apologize if this has been addressed before. Are they requiring a signature now or are they still dropping off packages on the front doorstep and leaving? Thanks.
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<< <i>I received my shipping confirmation from the mint last night @ around 7:12 p.m. Does anyone know how they are shipping the UHR's these days? I have not been keeping up with this, so I apologize if this has been addressed before. Are they requiring a signature now or are they still dropping off packages on the front doorstep and leaving? Thanks. >>
coming ups next day...
check your tracking number
signatures?
you tell us what the driver does. (they're supposed to get a signature)
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We shipped the items listed below today.
Order #: 30989xxx - 1 Order Date: 2/12/09
Sold To: XXXXXX
Ship To: XXXXXX
Date Shipped: 3/16/09
Amount Charged : 1293.95
Tracking ID
9101XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
9101XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
1ZE1XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Items included in this shipment:
1. 2009 ULTRA HIGH RELIEF GOLD COIN (UH1) Qty : 1
I checked the UPS site and it's scheduled to arrive tomorrow. I certainly didn't expect it to arrive this soon.
BTW since registering for the forums I've been checking out a lot of the threads here. I'm becoming hooked on them you might say
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<< <i>Greetings all! First time poster, long time lurker. I've been following the ongoing saga of the UHR coins. I got in late to the game, ordering mine back on Feb. 12 at the same time I ordered the Lincoln commemorative silver dollars. I guess they must be going down the list rather fast at this point because lo and behold I received this email tonight at 10:18. >>
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Rob, it looks nice from the pic, but you didn't comment. Was it what you expected? Happy with it? Glad your long wait is over.
<< <i>I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I was never interested in FS designation. I only wanted a coin that I will consider the cornerpiece of my collection. >>
Yeah, I got mine on the 6th, but it's a keeper for me so it didn't go in. I feel very confident it would grade as a 70. If I were going to flip it would have went in quick. It's hard to say what the trend will be on these in the future.
<< <i>The UHR isn't backordered anymore. Perhaps they have caught up with orders?
Wonder if the limit will be raised soon.
<< <i>The UHR isn't backordered anymore. Perhaps they have caught up with orders?
Well good - maybe this concludes this chapter.
Should we now start an ***Official UHR Book Thread*** ??
Is PCGS going to be slabbing those?
>>>My Collection
The coin is actually fairly difficult to image. I am still not 100% happy with how it came out, but these two are the best of a lot of pics I took, and I do like the slightly tilted look on these.
As to the coin itself, mine seems to have the same qualities that many have related to, including die polish lines on the obverse, and a raised wire rim on the obverse. The reverse is flawless.
Overall, I am happy with the coin and the package, disappointed with PBGS, but that just means I will be keeping this one, not selling it as a FS and buying another one later.
Rob
I would just like to thank John Maben who purchased my coin before I even ordered it. I hope he gets a 1st strike 70 out of it.
No complaints.
1st graded PCGS MS70 was given to an unemployed faimily member who sold it for 10k.
2nd graded PCGS MS70 I have in my own collection.
3rd rcd. was returned to the mint. Damaged when the plastic holder opened in shipment. Dinged up.
4th rcd. was a PCGS FS MS70. Sold it.
5th rcd. was returned to the mint for an exchange. Waiting to see what shows up.
6th rcd. went to PCGS, will be a Non FS.
Holding a sealed box may certainly pay off. May also pay off with a dinged up UHR.
Now if the belly button becomes a documented variety that will be nice.
Of your 6, how many exhibited the belly-button?
mbogoman
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folks who had UHR's graded across the street please chime in, too
Jeff
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<< <i>i guess another question is how many did not have 'navels' and received an MS70.
folks who had UHR's graded across the street please chime in, too >>
70 PCGS FS with.
<< <i>Charlie,
Of your 6, how many exhibited the belly-button? >>
Anyone have a closeup of the so called Belly Button?
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<< <i>Charlie,
Of your 6, how many exhibited the belly-button? >>
Anyone have a closeup of the so called Belly Button?
Tell me about it.
I have 1 that has a visual belly button. Compared to the others it is not the same.
Bought 1 PCGS FS MS70 off EBAY as well. No visual belly button. Everybody should
check the ones they have. Wouldn't this rock if it became something. The UHR w/ Belly
Button showing.
Charlie.
Do recall there is a very nice picture posted on this thread that shows it. That was where
I first saw it. It was a pro photo....crystal clear.
<< <i>Do recall there is a very nice picture posted on this thread that shows it. That was where
I first saw it. It was a pro photo....crystal clear. >>
On page 123 post by the imron are great pictures of belly button
226 - 69's
472 - 70's
I would think people who didn't pay for Express grading are not even in the pops yet.
<< <i>
<< <i>Do recall there is a very nice picture posted on this thread that shows it. That was where
I first saw it. It was a pro photo....crystal clear. >>
On page 123 post by the imron are great pictures of belly button >>
Help, how could I go to page 123, the fast way, or do I step backwards a page at a time? Thanks!
mbogoman
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
<< <i>On page 149,MsMorrisine has a pic of her coin with a clearly defined belly button showing.Not sure, but i think she returned that coin back to the mint. >>
yup. and CharlieC has me second guessing it.
hmmmm.... mint error uhr.... hmmmm....
too late now.
called last night and another rep. says my Lincoln's were catalogued in on 3/9, one day before the UHR. So, there is conflicting info about whether my returns have all arrived.
still can't 100% trust them.
I'm going to have to fax a suggestion into the director's office. I've been wanting to give them some peace after everything, but if this info is in "the system" I don't see a reason why it can't be displayed on the order status page. Much more reliable than the people.
red circle error might be worth a bunch one day.
link
Got my grade posted today...69....figured as much, since it came loose in the box and all...
-Paul
how many days is it running on the uhr's now?
They should go by the order date of the paperwork inside.
Anyone want an unopened UHR ?
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Edited to add: It was received by PCGS on the 11th.
-Paul
Just about time to put this post to bed!
Those that still hold them a month from now will be sorry.
I am skeptical as to the existence of the navel varieties (highly detailed navel versus "light", "slight" or "weak" navel versus "no navel" variety). IMHO there is only one strike and it has a navel. Maybe, some of the later die strikes are "weaker" and thus showing a less detailed navel, but if only 500 coins are struck per die pair, then this is a lame argument.
I have scoured every page of this thread for UHR images and I cannot conclude or assert a "Navel" variety exists. They all have belly buttons, some more prominent than others and most of the non-navel enhanced "varieties" are either poor quality images; or light-angle elusive; or else artistic renditions of the "real" thing, but not true UHR images. I don't have the time tonight to cite all my resources and support for this argument, but if anyone wishes to differ with this conclusion, then let them post their evidence here and I will gladly post evidence to the contrary!
<< <i>
<< <i>On page 149,MsMorrisine has a pic of her coin with a clearly defined belly button showing.Not sure, but i think she returned that coin back to the mint. >>
yup. and CharlieC has me second guessing it.
hmmmm.... mint error uhr.... hmmmm....
too late now.
called last night and another rep. says my Lincoln's were catalogued in on 3/9, one day before the UHR. So, there is conflicting info about whether my returns have all arrived.
still can't 100% trust them.
I'm going to have to fax a suggestion into the director's office. I've been wanting to give them some peace after everything, but if this info is in "the system" I don't see a reason why it can't be displayed on the order status page. Much more reliable than the people.
red circle error might be worth a bunch one day. >>
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BONGO HURTLES ALONG THE RAIN SODDEN HIGHWAY OF LIFE ON UNDERINFLATED BALD RETREAD TIRES
(l8-)>>
I have louped 11 coins in hand, and only one (graded MS69) was very proof like. Mirrored fields and reliefs. The coin was absolutely striking, but I believe a small die scratch held it back from getting a 70.
I don't have a picture to show it, but I'm wondering how many are being found with a proof like finish?
GrandAn
<< <i>did ASG's plasters or original coinage have navels? (aren't these supposed to be the product of digitally mapping those plasters?) >>
Great question. For what it is worth, the 1907 "Ultra High Relief" Double Eagle (struck nine times to show "every detail") fails to evidence a navel - at least as pictured on page 17 of Garrett and Guth's original edition 100 Greatest U.S. Coins. Of course that plaster was sized the same as the one used for the 1907 High Relief. I have also taken a look at a photo of the small diameter high relief pattern (J-1917) as pictured in the 10th Edition of United States Pattern Coins. Even with a loupe it is difficult to see if the navel is evident but to my eye it does appear that it is there. Maybe someone here has access to a better resolution photo of one of the 16 Small Diameter High Reliefs that were struck in 1907? My understanding is that it was the plaster for the J-1917 that was digitally used to create the current UHR of same diameter and thickness. Here is another current UHR I took a picture of as it was displayed by the U.S. Mint at the Portland show last week. For any of you who were lucky enough to get the pictured book with your UHR, please check out the UHR on the cover page of the accompanying "book" as to any evidence of the navel and report back to us.
"I have my doubts too. Charlie's first pic is not the best quality but he asserts that he has two of these UHRs in hand an that they are different with regards to "navel details". I'd like to see some hi qual. images of both coins. Hey Charlie can you support your assertion with good qual. images?" ANSWER: Tried getting a photo of both last night. Not enough detail. Camera can not get in close enough without fuzz.
I was not the first to comment on the belly button. Seeing another member comment on this is what made me look at mine. This thread is the only instance where the belly button is mentioned (that I know of).
You might have not noticed the real high quality photo rgCoinGuy posted on page 197 of this thread. That shows it real well. Not much to guess on with that photo. It's crystal clear. If that is not a belly button showing what is it?
With 500 hits per die how much of what shows or does not show is wear? There are some very nice photos posted that do not show that aspect. Can't say all the photos are not all clear. Several on this thread are very nice high res photos.
Later.
Charlie.
<< <i>I received my shipping confirmation from the mint last night @ around 7:12 p.m. Does anyone know how they are shipping the UHR's these days? I have not been keeping up with this, so I apologize if this has been addressed before. Are they requiring a signature now or are they still dropping off packages on the front doorstep and leaving? Thanks. >>
coming ups next day...
check your tracking number
signatures?
you tell us what the driver does. (they're supposed to get a signature)