<< <i>"I have my doubts too. Charlie's first pic is not the best quality but he asserts that he has two of these UHRs in hand an that they are different with regards to "navel details". I'd like to see some hi qual. images of both coins. Hey Charlie can you support your assertion with good qual. images?" ANSWER: Tried getting a photo of both last night. Not enough detail. Camera can not get in close enough without fuzz. I was not the first to comment on the belly button. Seeing another member comment on this is what made me look at mine. This thread is the only instance where the belly button is mentioned (that I know of).
You might have not noticed the real high quality photo rgCoinGuy posted on page 197 of this thread. That shows it real well. Not much to guess on with that photo. It's crystal clear. If that is not a belly button showing what is it?
With 500 hits per die how much of what shows or does not show is wear? There are some very nice photos posted that do not show that aspect. Can't say all the photos are not all clear. Several on this thread are very nice high res photos.
Later. Charlie. >>
Here are two images from the Mint. The obverse image is difficult to detect any evidence of a navel due to lighting. But the edge view clearly shows her navel.
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Heck, on that last picture you can even see the lint!
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Gold is below $900, time is ticking, now I'm waiting to see if that holds for 5 days for the mint pricing to go back down to it's original start point.
<< <i>Gold is below $900, time is ticking, now I'm waiting to see if that holds for 5 days for the mint pricing to go back down to it's original start point. >>
I think you have another hundred to go to get to the 1189.00 number.
Checked out my UHR (sorry no decent photo) and it's impossible to not see the naval from all directions. Either the lighting in the photos is hitting directly inside the naval to obscure it or some of the coins may have a weaker strike. I have noticed that some rim edges appear to be wider (on the flat before cupping down into the image area). Could this be an indicator of less pressure during the strike? IMO the navel is small enough that just a few thousand pounds could make a difference. That said, the no-naval, if it exists, could be the rarer of the two.
<< <i>Gold is below $900, time is ticking, now I'm waiting to see if that holds for 5 days for the mint pricing to go back down to it's original start point. >>
I think you have another hundred to go to get to the 1189.00 number. >>
I was not the first to comment on the belly button. Seeing another member comment on this is what made me look at mine. This thread is the only instance where the belly button is mentioned (that I know of).
You might have not noticed the real high quality photo rgCoinGuy posted on page 197 of this thread. That shows it real well. Not much to guess on with that photo. It's crystal clear. If that is not a belly button showing what is it?
With 500 hits per die how much of what shows or does not show is wear? There are some very nice photos posted that do not show that aspect. Can't say all the photos are not all clear. Several on this thread are very nice high res photos.
Later. Charlie. >>
What would Lady Liberty be doing with a belly button anyway? Isn't she supposed to be a god?
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<< <i>Gold is below $900, time is ticking, now I'm waiting to see if that holds for 5 days for the mint pricing to go back down to it's original start point. >>
I think you have another hundred to go to get to the 1189.00 number. >>
Wasn't gold between 850-900 on 1-22? >>
I was a bit wrong too, it was under 850 though for the average the week before ( For some reason I was thinking it was below 800)
<< <i>Gold is below $900, time is ticking, now I'm waiting to see if that holds for 5 days for the mint pricing to go back down to it's original start point. >>
<< <i>I would think people who didn't pay for Express grading are not even in the pops yet. >>
I sent in two on Tuesday, March 10. PCGS acknowledged receipt on Saturday, March 14. Grades Posted tonight, Wednesday, March 18 (both MS70). Pretty quick turnaround for non-express (I used 2 of my 8 annual "freebies").
<< <i>Gold is below $900, time is ticking, now I'm waiting to see if that holds for 5 days for the mint pricing to go back down to it's original start point. >>
Oops - closed at $940+. >>
Spot Gold Prices closed at 941.50, and is currently down over $12 to just above $929.
Front Month (April) Gold Futures closed at 889.10 for the open outcry in NY. It rose in electronic trading and is currently running aroun $930, which is up over $40.
I logged in tonight to find grades on two that I submitted. I received them before the FS deadline and planned to just send in the best one, but they both were perfect under a 7x loupe, so I sent in both:
1 1 14205359 407405 2009 $20 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle US MS70 1 2 14205360 407405 2009 $20 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle US MS70
So I FINALLY got my UHR today (even though I ordered it 2 hours after it went on sale... ).
So since I don't have a first strike coin, can I open the package before sending it in for grading, or is there still a benefit to keeping the package sealed? Sorry if this has been brought up already, I just don't have the time to scan 3900 posts...
If it is too late to send it in for first strike, you can open the package and inspect it before you send in the coin. You don't need to send the box either, just the coin.
<< <i>I would think people who didn't pay for Express grading are not even in the pops yet. >>
I sent in two on Tuesday, March 10. PCGS acknowledged receipt on Saturday, March 14. Grades Posted tonight, Wednesday, March 18 (both MS70). Pretty quick turnaround for non-express (I used 2 of my 8 annual "freebies").
FloridaBill >>
Mine was received by PCGS on March 12th. Still hasn't been graded. Assume the delay is related to having added the Trueview option.
Got my on line results for my one and only UHR. Lucked out and got the 70. Don't know whether to sell it...or keep it to see how many First Strike 70's we wind up with. Think it will be less than 2,000?
<< <i>I was not the first to comment on the belly button. Seeing another member comment on this is what made me look at mine. This thread is the only instance where the belly button is mentioned (that I know of). >>
Charlie, just got the MS70 back and by eyesight it is hard to see. Pic below. Will compare to other MS70 once it arrives here and see if there are any differences.
<< <i>So I FINALLY got my UHR today (even though I ordered it 2 hours after it went on sale... ).
So since I don't have a first strike coin, can I open the package before sending it in for grading, or is there still a benefit to keeping the package sealed? Sorry if this has been brought up already, I just don't have the time to scan 3900 posts...
Thanks >>
the only advantage to keeping it sealed at this point is if you decide to sell it. Opened the buyer may think it was searched for a 70 candidate and didn't pass the test. disadvantage to selling it sealed is you are never positive of what you sent to the buyer!
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Wow, I got mine in the mail today sans booklet and as others have said was quite impressed with the presentation - I really would not want a 69 or 70 slabbed coin & the office staff was quite impressed with the appearance. Simply beautiful...BTW, no signature required even though it says it is on the shipping box.
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<< <i>So I FINALLY got my UHR today (even though I ordered it 2 hours after it went on sale... ).
So since I don't have a first strike coin, can I open the package before sending it in for grading, or is there still a benefit to keeping the package sealed? Sorry if this has been brought up already, I just don't have the time to scan 3900 posts...
Thanks >>
the only advantage to keeping it sealed at this point is if you decide to sell it. Opened the buyer may think it was searched for a 70 candidate and didn't pass the test. disadvantage to selling it sealed is you are never positive of what you sent to the buyer! >>
Can you imagine an unscrupulous buyer claiming he opened the package and there was no coin inside?
<< <i>yeah. it went from no dated all the way back out to 5/24
wonder if the long ship date would hurt sales.
if they take in a bunch of orders, then make them (6-9 months).... hmmm.... then under what conditions would they remove the 1 per household limit? >>
Actually, I was hoping it might [also] mean that the UHR I ordered 2/24 might come in a little sooner than the original 5/24 date offered. After the order, the "available" notation disappeared. Now, it's back...
What does it all mean, Kimosabe?
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<< <i>yeah. it went from no dated all the way back out to 5/24
wonder if the long ship date would hurt sales.
if they take in a bunch of orders, then make them (6-9 months).... hmmm.... then under what conditions would they remove the 1 per household limit? >>
Actually, I was hoping it might [also] mean that the UHR I ordered 2/24 might come in a little sooner than the original 5/24 date offered. After the order, the "available" notation disappeared. Now, it's back...
What does it all mean, Kimosabe? >>
That means don't hold your breath!
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<< <i>yeah. it went from no dated all the way back out to 5/24
wonder if the long ship date would hurt sales.
if they take in a bunch of orders, then make them (6-9 months).... hmmm.... then under what conditions would they remove the 1 per household limit? >>
Actually, I was hoping it might [also] mean that the UHR I ordered 2/24 might come in a little sooner than the original 5/24 date offered. After the order, the "available" notation disappeared. Now, it's back...
Mine was shipped on the 13th, but I was out of town. It was at UPS on hold waiting for a signature. I just picked it up. Nice looking. It seems to have more proof like surfaces than the coins shown so far.
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<< <i>"I have my doubts too. Charlie's first pic is not the best quality but he asserts that he has two of these UHRs in hand an that they are different with regards to "navel details". I'd like to see some hi qual. images of both coins. Hey Charlie can you support your assertion with good qual. images?" ANSWER: Tried getting a photo of both last night. Not enough detail. Camera can not get in close enough without fuzz.
I was not the first to comment on the belly button. Seeing another member comment on this is what made me look at mine. This thread is the only instance where the belly button is mentioned (that I know of).
You might have not noticed the real high quality photo rgCoinGuy posted on page 197 of this thread. That shows it real well. Not much to guess on with that photo. It's crystal clear. If that is not a belly button showing what is it?
With 500 hits per die how much of what shows or does not show is wear? There are some very nice photos posted that do not show that aspect. Can't say all the photos are not all clear. Several on this thread are very nice high res photos.
Later.
Charlie. >>
Here are two images from the Mint. The obverse image is difficult to detect any evidence of a navel due to lighting. But the edge view clearly shows her navel.
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Good point.
<< <i>Gold is below $900, time is ticking, now I'm waiting to see if that holds for 5 days for the mint pricing to go back down to it's original start point.
I think you have another hundred to go to get to the 1189.00 number.
<< <i>Here is my full frontal...
I gotta say - that is a SUPER photo!
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
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<< <i>Gold is below $900, time is ticking, now I'm waiting to see if that holds for 5 days for the mint pricing to go back down to it's original start point.
I think you have another hundred to go to get to the 1189.00 number. >>
Wasn't gold between 850-900 on 1-22?
I don't have his order number but he ordered it about 2:00 Eastern
Mine graded MS69 (first strike)
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You might have not noticed the real high quality photo rgCoinGuy posted on page 197 of this thread. That shows it real well. Not much to guess on with that photo. It's crystal clear. If that is not a belly button showing what is it?
With 500 hits per die how much of what shows or does not show is wear? There are some very nice photos posted that do not show that aspect. Can't say all the photos are not all clear. Several on this thread are very nice high res photos.
Later.
Charlie. >>
What would Lady Liberty be doing with a belly button anyway? Isn't she supposed to be a god?
Funny, a dealer called me today to say that they had several MS70s in hand...price $3700/ea..!!!
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<< <i>I'm happy to report that my one and only UHR graded PCGS MS 70.... I'm a very happy camper!! My 4 Lincoln comms graded (1) 70 and (3) 69s.
Funny, a dealer called me today to say that they had several MS70s in hand...price $3700/ea..!!! >>
Ask him if he wants to buy any at $3000....that will still give him more than 20% markup
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
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<< <i>Gold is below $900, time is ticking, now I'm waiting to see if that holds for 5 days for the mint pricing to go back down to it's original start point.
I think you have another hundred to go to get to the 1189.00 number. >>
Wasn't gold between 850-900 on 1-22? >>
I was a bit wrong too, it was under 850 though for the average the week before ( For some reason I was thinking it was below 800)
<< <i>Gold is below $900, time is ticking, now I'm waiting to see if that holds for 5 days for the mint pricing to go back down to it's original start point.
Oops - closed at $940+.
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<< <i>I'm happy to report that my one and only UHR graded PCGS MS 70.... I'm a very happy camper!! My 4 Lincoln comms graded (1) 70 and (3) 69s.
Funny, a dealer called me today to say that they had several MS70s in hand...price $3700/ea..!!! >>
Ask him if he wants to buy any at $3000....that will still give him more than 20% markup
The BIN are selling for $2700, while the open auctions are $2200. There was a $500 premium for PCGS a week ago, not anymore NGC is same money.
<< <i>I would think people who didn't pay for Express grading are not even in the pops yet. >>
I sent in two on Tuesday, March 10. PCGS acknowledged receipt on Saturday, March 14. Grades Posted tonight, Wednesday, March 18 (both MS70). Pretty quick turnaround for non-express (I used 2 of my 8 annual "freebies").
FloridaBill
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<< <i>Gold is below $900, time is ticking, now I'm waiting to see if that holds for 5 days for the mint pricing to go back down to it's original start point.
Oops - closed at $940+. >>
Spot Gold Prices closed at 941.50, and is currently down over $12 to just above $929.
Front Month (April) Gold Futures closed at 889.10 for the open outcry in NY.
It rose in electronic trading and is currently running aroun $930, which is up over $40.
This is why:
Fed launches bold $1.2T effort to revive economy
Fed launches $1.2 trillion effort to revive economy; keeps key rate at record low
Fed just increased its balance sheet. the dollar tanked hard. the treasury bonds rates tanked hard, too.
10-YEAR TREASURY NOTE
(Chicago Options: ^TNX)
Index Value: 2.533
Trade Time: 2:59pm ET
Change: -0.47 (-15.65%)
Prev Close: 3.003
Open: 3.007
Day's Range: 2.469 - 3.022
52wk Range: 2.038 - 4.324
1 1 14205359 407405 2009 $20 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle US MS70
1 2 14205360 407405 2009 $20 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle US MS70
327 - 69
752 - 70
So since I don't have a first strike coin, can I open the package before sending it in for grading, or is there still a benefit to keeping the package sealed? Sorry if this has been brought up already, I just don't have the time to scan 3900 posts...
Thanks
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<< <i>I would think people who didn't pay for Express grading are not even in the pops yet. >>
I sent in two on Tuesday, March 10. PCGS acknowledged receipt on Saturday, March 14. Grades Posted tonight, Wednesday, March 18 (both MS70). Pretty quick turnaround for non-express (I used 2 of my 8 annual "freebies").
FloridaBill >>
Mine was received by PCGS on March 12th. Still hasn't been graded. Assume the delay is related to having added the Trueview option.
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<< <i>I was not the first to comment on the belly button. Seeing another member comment on this is what made me look at mine. This thread is the only instance where the belly button is mentioned (that I know of). >>
Charlie, just got the MS70 back and by eyesight it is hard to see. Pic below. Will compare to other MS70 once it arrives here and see if there are any differences.
<< <i>So I FINALLY got my UHR today (even though I ordered it 2 hours after it went on sale...
So since I don't have a first strike coin, can I open the package before sending it in for grading, or is there still a benefit to keeping the package sealed? Sorry if this has been brought up already, I just don't have the time to scan 3900 posts...
Thanks >>
the only advantage to keeping it sealed at this point is if you decide to sell it. Opened the buyer may think it was searched for a 70 candidate and didn't pass the test. disadvantage to selling it sealed is you are never positive of what you sent to the buyer!
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
A Truth That's Told With Bad Intent
Beats All The Lies You Can Invent
wonder if the long ship date would hurt sales.
if they take in a bunch of orders, then make them (6-9 months).... hmmm....
then under what conditions would they remove the 1 per household limit?
Well, just Love coins, period.
<< <i>
<< <i>So I FINALLY got my UHR today (even though I ordered it 2 hours after it went on sale...
So since I don't have a first strike coin, can I open the package before sending it in for grading, or is there still a benefit to keeping the package sealed? Sorry if this has been brought up already, I just don't have the time to scan 3900 posts...
Thanks >>
the only advantage to keeping it sealed at this point is if you decide to sell it. Opened the buyer may think it was searched for a 70 candidate and didn't pass the test. disadvantage to selling it sealed is you are never positive of what you sent to the buyer! >>
Can you imagine an unscrupulous buyer claiming he opened the package and there was no coin inside?
<< <i>yeah. it went from no dated all the way back out to 5/24
wonder if the long ship date would hurt sales.
if they take in a bunch of orders, then make them (6-9 months).... hmmm....
then under what conditions would they remove the 1 per household limit? >>
Actually, I was hoping it might [also] mean that the UHR I ordered 2/24 might come in a little sooner than the original 5/24 date offered. After the order, the "available" notation disappeared. Now, it's back...
What does it all mean, Kimosabe?
A Truth That's Told With Bad Intent
Beats All The Lies You Can Invent
<< <i>
<< <i>yeah. it went from no dated all the way back out to 5/24
wonder if the long ship date would hurt sales.
if they take in a bunch of orders, then make them (6-9 months).... hmmm....
then under what conditions would they remove the 1 per household limit? >>
Actually, I was hoping it might [also] mean that the UHR I ordered 2/24 might come in a little sooner than the original 5/24 date offered. After the order, the "available" notation disappeared. Now, it's back...
What does it all mean, Kimosabe? >>
That means don't hold your breath!
Fred, Las Vegas, NV
<< <i>
<< <i>yeah. it went from no dated all the way back out to 5/24
wonder if the long ship date would hurt sales.
if they take in a bunch of orders, then make them (6-9 months).... hmmm....
then under what conditions would they remove the 1 per household limit? >>
Actually, I was hoping it might [also] mean that the UHR I ordered 2/24 might come in a little sooner than the original 5/24 date offered. After the order, the "available" notation disappeared. Now, it's back...
What does it all mean, Kimosabe? >>
I ordered one 2/28 and rcvd it today.
So flippers better flip!
(trust me)
<< <i>I have it on great authority that it will not be long until the limit of 1 will be lifted. It is for sure gonna happen.
So flippers better flip!
(trust me) >>
No reason not to, once they get some inventory built up.
These will not be rare and 70's will not be rare either, although, currently, money is being made.
It's coming home to Poppa!!!
Submission #9103696 407405 2009 $20 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle US MS70
As long as I postmarked it on 3/11, it should qualify, is that correct?
<< <i>Did my coin get switched? I submitted a coin on 3/11 for First Strike. I just got my grade of MS69 but without First Strike.
As long as I postmarked it on 3/11, it should qualify, is that correct? >>
Not sure about it being postmarked but did you check the part on the form for 1st strike and pay the extra $14.00? Also what coin number does it show?
My other two $10 coins did get graded First Strike.
<< <i>I submitted 407405 First Strike, but they graded it as 407404.
My other two $10 coins did get graded First Strike. >>
Sounds like they messed up somewhere. You will have to call customer service to either get it corrected or find out why they did what they did.