...but even this lastest email still sites: Customers’ orders will be shipped on a first-come, first-served basis. You will be notified by email when your order has shipped. If you do not receive the Companion Book with your COIN, you will receive a second e-mail notification when we ship the Companion Book.
Total BS...!!!
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just to be clear... I'm not looking for full order numbers for those who already received the coin unless people want to give that out... I'm just looking for confirmation of the first 5 digits and time&date of the order from those who received the coin...
so if anyone reads this who has received their coin and is willing to provide either the full info (best, since it can be used to prove fifo is not followed, or the partial info, please private message me. I'm going to complain about fifo.
Also, I guess I should congratulate the new lucky golden ticket winners....
no hard feelings... but someone's gotta straighten out PBGS fulfillment ops. it takes leg work and proof that rules aren't being followed.
Since the OIG, along with Mint management, are obviously not avenues to pursue... we're back to my suggestion re: a congresscritter or other well-connected Beltway swamp-dweller.
So: who in Congress is a numismatist? Or who in Congress is sleeping with one?
pp
P.S. I'll give you my full order # and time if/when I ever receive mine. As contrary data point, you can use 30829xxx and noon-thirty-ish as one who has NOT yet received a shipping confirmation (let alone a coin).
i have order number 30826xxx and I was confirmed at 12:15PM and nothing yet. Still on hold with the mint or PBGS whatever this crack heads are called now. 22 minutes in so far
Received mine today UPS-no sig. Order 30828xxx. I really did not expect it do to all of the delays. The box was kind of heavy so I thought it was some Eagles that I ordered. The box is quite impressive. Of course, so is the coin.
Gold and silver are valuable but wisdom is priceless.
the REAL Mint people CAN make things happen... the PBGS people are the ones at 800-USA-MINT and are dropping the ball.
The OIG CAN help... but investigations and results are confidential.
As for congress... there is a palladium UHR bill HR 5614 that was introduced by "Mr. CASTLE (delaware) (for himself and Mr. GUTIERREZ)" and i read somewhere else: Rep Gutierrez, Luis V. [IL-4] - 3/13/2008 Rep Paul, Ron [TX-14] - 4/9/2008 Rep Rehberg, Dennis R. [MT] - 4/9/2008 It was sponsored in the Senate, S.2924, by "Sen. Max Baucus [D, MT] and 1 Co-Sponsors Sen. Jon Tester [D, MT]"
My order number is very low 30826xxx. order confirmed 12:15PM
I have a authorization out for 1189.00 for the coin
The mngmt is aware that the warehouse is not going in any order regardless of order number.
She said to me when they stopped shipping coins like two weeks ago and then the resumed shipping they kinda set our orders to the side and do the more current ones. This is what I interpreted it to mean. She gave me no ship date because they aren't going in any order.
well folks this is just another problem we can assign to this coin.
Calling the PBGS people will get us no place all we can do is sit and wait for that charge on our credit cards and the next day wait at that window for the UPS Or FEDEX truck whatever their using now
Somebody with clout needs to get on the a$$es of management at the warehouse and get them starightened out. This is ridiculous! Orders made well after the initial surge are being filled!? Complete idiocy!
Now that it is confirmed that these are shipping, if I were in Charlie's shoes I'd be selling that First Strike 70 ASAP while it's still the only one... Will likely be thousands of First Strikes by the time early March rolls around...
<< <i>She said to me when they stopped shipping coins like two weeks ago and then the resumed shipping they kinda set our orders to the side and do the more current ones. >>
"Set them to the side" ?? Seriously, what the hell does that mean? These orders are tuples in a fargin' DATABASE! It's not like someone is carrying bushelbaskets of little yellow tickets around. How difficult is it to SELECT * FROM Orders ORDER BY Order_number?
<< <i>She said to me when they stopped shipping coins like two weeks ago and then the resumed shipping they kinda set our orders to the side and do the more current ones. >>
"Set them to the side" ?? Seriously, what the hell does that mean? These orders are tuples in a fargin' DATABASE! It's not like someone is carrying bushelbaskets of little yellow tickets around. How difficult is it to SELECT * FROM Orders ORDER BY Order_number?
pp >>
I've contemplated offering working for them for free or for $1.
PCGS has a "Public Friday" every month where you can hand carry in submissions. The next one is March 6th from 10am to 4pm, so for those in the Southern California area that want to make sure they qualify for the "First Strike" label, you can drive down to Santa Ana (it's more like on the border of SA & Irvine) and walk it in.
Collectors Universe Lobby Area 1921 East Alton Avenue Santa Ana CA 92705
PCGS representatives will be available to answer questions and accept submissions for all levels of service from 10am to 4pm. Please call Customer Service for more details. United States call toll free at 800-447-8848.
Just got off the phone with Amex. Charge for the coin is still in the same state it's been in for weeks (i.e. since the CANCEL buttons went away): approved by Amex, but not settled/charged yet.
are any of you actually surprised by what she said to me. this is because they are not going in order so they are just pulling orders and filling without regards to order number. Those who have contacts in DC start your engines
<< <i>are any of you actually surprised by what she said to me. this is because they are not going in order so they are just pulling orders and filling without regards to order number. Those who have contacts in DC start your engines >>
So if I were to order another tonight I should get it bye Friday? Sounds like their sending newer orders first.
What I find kind of funny, you guys sound like a few of us sounded when we were getting bent over by Microsoft casback. I don't remember too much sympathy here. I'm waiting for a UHR also and since they have none of my money (unlike cashback who had over $750 of my money) I'm not worried about it. I'm just sitting back watching the show.
...Yep , my cashback set and waiting for my UHR. Glad to see any movement on the shipping. Perhaps some may have sold these aready and are concerned about buyers canceling...who knows.
<< <i>What I find kind of funny, you guys sound like a few of us sounded when we were getting bent over by Microsoft casback. I don't remember too much sympathy here. I'm waiting for a UHR also and since they have none of my money (unlike cashback who had over $750 of my money) I'm not worried about it. I'm just sitting back watching the show. >>
go get 'em jim
btw...."Cashback" didn't have any of YOUR money......you weren't forced to buy anything and it was a rebate.....it wasn't like you sent "Cashback" any money, now was it?
<< <i>What I find kind of funny, you guys sound like a few of us sounded when we were getting bent over by Microsoft casback. >>
I'm new here so I claim ignorance regarding the M$ issue. (That Redmond should be screwing anyone, somehow I'm not surprised.)
I don't have any intention of getting the UHR slabbed so I suppose I don't really have a dog in the fight, per se, but... it's the principle of the thing, dammit! I, along with several thousand of my closest friends, got our orders in within the first hour and, per the rules, we should have received our coins first. Washington seems to have a problem with the concept of "rules" lately. Methinks we needta re-learn 'em.
...."Cashback" didn't have any of YOUR money......you weren't forced to buy anything and it was a rebate.....it wasn't like you sent "Cashback" any money, now was it?
In a way I did send them money. I paid the full price because of their advertised rebate. Sometimes you buy things because they are on sale (or a rebate) OK so I'm a brainwashed consumer but I expect the advertised price.
I called and asked about the coins that were shipped out AFTER my order was placed and mentioned this board and the proof that they were shipped out not in order. She said they were told to not believe message boards and blogs because the information provided there is not true. Worthless conversation... No information on my order at all. She said they should have some shipped in time for Barak Obamas' re-election campaign.
<< <i>I called and asked about the coins that were shipped out AFTER my order was placed and mentioned this board and the proof that they were shipped out not in order. She said they were told to not believe message boards and blogs because the information provided there is not true. >>
Were we dealing with reasonable people, I'd suggest getting a couple of affadavits from recipients and non-recipients. (Then they'd claim, I'm sure, that they no speaka English.)
Call your Critters, people. And yes, this is about more than a silly release of a coin by the Mint. The lizards have gotten away for way, WAY too long with this sort of nonsense. (Insert witty remark about torches and pitchforks)
Since the OIG, along with Mint management, are obviously not avenues to pursue... we're back to my suggestion re: a congresscritter or other well-connected Beltway swamp-dweller.
So: who in Congress is a numismatist? Or who in Congress is sleeping with one?
pp
P.S. I'll give you my full order # and time if/when I ever receive mine. As contrary data point, you can use 30829xxx and noon-thirty-ish as one who has NOT yet received a shipping confirmation (let alone a coin). >>
30827XXX order confirmed at 12:22 and nothing yet.
After seeing the picture posted here, I am extremely pleased with the design. It really does look exactly like the original and rare 1907 ultra high relief coins. The slight modifications do not in any way tamper with St Gauden's Liberty. Now the big problem is placing this coin next to my flat as a pancake 1927 $20 piece. This new UHR really does upstage any "made for circulation" gold coin.
<< <i>...."Cashback" didn't have any of YOUR money......you weren't forced to buy anything and it was a rebate.....it wasn't like you sent "Cashback" any money, now was it?
In a way I did send them money. I paid the full price because of their advertised rebate. Sometimes you buy things because they are on sale (or a rebate) OK so I'm a brainwashed consumer but I expect the advertised price. >>
Dude! I thought you were smarter than that.....I got burned on enough rebates in the past (CompUSA anyone?) that I learned....I do NOTHING for the rebates and treat rebates as a bonus (that's probably why I only used Cashback twice for about $300+ dollars). Glad you got your money though.
Ps....the trouble with the way this one worked was that it wasn't MS advertising the price, or really paypal, or really ebay.....it was the seller on ebay advertising the price. Too many fingers and chances for problems, imho. Most of the cashback items are with companies directly so only 2 parties. In this case, it was 4 parties.
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...but even this lastest email still sites:
Customers’ orders will be shipped on a first-come, first-served basis. You will be notified by email when your order has shipped. If you do not receive the Companion Book with your COIN, you will receive a second e-mail notification when we ship the Companion Book.
Total BS...!!!
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Status: Ding, Ding...Ding, Ding...Ding, Ding...
...is there a fax # to the Mint's IG office? I want to send a copy of that email (with comments) to them.
This continues to be total BS...!!!
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Status: Ding, Ding...Ding, Ding...Ding, Ding...
and the last one wasn't that bad.
<< <i>MsM...
...is there a fax # to the Mint's IG office? I want to send a copy of that email (with comments) to them.
This continues to be total BS...!!! >>
Treasury IG Office is here
What to Report to the Treasury OIG Hotline
+ Violation of laws, rules or regulations
+ Gross mismanagement, waste of funds, abuse of authority
+ Danger to the public health and safety relating to the Treasury’s grants, contracts, programs, and operations
+ Allegations of criminal activity and serious misconduct involving Department of the Treasury employees
What Not to Report to the Treasury OIG Hotline
These items are not investigated by the OIG but we have included referral information via the links below for your convenience:
Minor incidents of time and attendance abuse or misuse of Government property should be reported to the appropriate program managers and officials.
Personnel matters involving requests for individual relief should be handled through the appropriate grievance process with management and/or offices of personnel, equal employment, and civil rights
+ IRS and federal tax-related matters
+ IRS related scams
+ Advance fee fraudulent scams
+ Identity theft and consumer fraud
+ Defaced currency and counterfeiting issues
+ Damaged or mutilated currency
+ Treasury Direct investments and savings bonds
+ Treasury issued check payments
+ Treasury Offset Program & Debt Management Services
+ Purchase of U.S. Mint coin sets
What to Expect After Submitting a Hotline Complaint
+ We cannot provide information regarding what action(s) have been taken on any allegation reported to our office.
+ Federal regulations prohibit the disclosure of information contained in law enforcement records even to the individual submitting the allegation(s).
+ Unless you are contacted directly by one of our investigators, there will be no communication from our office, outside of correspondence which may advise you that your matter has been referred to another entity if your submitted allegations do not fall under the jurisdiction or cognizance of the U.S. Department of the Treasury.
+ Under no circumstances will our office provide you with the status of action taken on any allegation. The information you provide will be processed according to our internal policies and guidelines, and appropriate action will be taken, as determined.
+ For information and procedures on submitting a request under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), visit Treasury’s FOIA page.
so if anyone reads this who has received their coin and is willing to provide either the full info (best, since it can be used to prove fifo is not followed, or the partial info, please private message me. I'm going to complain about fifo.
Also, I guess I should congratulate the new lucky golden ticket winners....
no hard feelings... but someone's gotta straighten out PBGS fulfillment ops.
it takes leg work and proof that rules aren't being followed.
eh.
<< <i>PBGS rep said mgmt is aware of FIFO not being followed. >>
Did they say if they were going to take steps to correct the failure to follow the announced policy to apply FIFO?
they just said mgmt knows.
until I talk with mgmt there, there is know way of knowing what's real.
Many kudos for your efforts. This whole charade is beyond belief.
Respectfully,
mbogoman
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
Since the OIG, along with Mint management, are obviously not avenues to pursue... we're back to my suggestion re: a congresscritter or other well-connected Beltway swamp-dweller.
So: who in Congress is a numismatist? Or who in Congress is sleeping with one?
pp
P.S. I'll give you my full order # and time if/when I ever receive mine. As contrary data point, you can use 30829xxx and noon-thirty-ish as one who has NOT yet received a shipping confirmation (let alone a coin).
The OIG CAN help... but investigations and results are confidential.
As for congress...
there is a palladium UHR bill HR 5614 that was introduced by "Mr. CASTLE (delaware) (for himself and Mr. GUTIERREZ)" and i read somewhere else:
Rep Gutierrez, Luis V. [IL-4] - 3/13/2008
Rep Paul, Ron [TX-14] - 4/9/2008
Rep Rehberg, Dennis R. [MT] - 4/9/2008
It was sponsored in the Senate, S.2924, by "Sen. Max Baucus [D, MT] and 1 Co-Sponsors Sen. Jon Tester [D, MT]"
My order number is very low 30826xxx. order confirmed 12:15PM
I have a authorization out for 1189.00 for the coin
The mngmt is aware that the warehouse is not going in any order regardless of order number.
She said to me when they stopped shipping coins like two weeks ago and then the resumed shipping they kinda set our orders to the side and do the more current ones. This is what I interpreted it to mean. She gave me no ship date because they aren't going in any order.
well folks this is just another problem we can assign to this coin.
Calling the PBGS people will get us no place all we can do is sit and wait for that charge on our credit cards and the next day wait at that window for the UPS Or FEDEX truck whatever their using now
(l8-)>>
mbogoman
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
Michael Kittle Rare Coins --- 1908-S Indian Head Cent Grading Set --- No. 1 1909 Mint Set --- Kittlecoins on Facebook --- Long Beach Table 448
<< <i>She said to me when they stopped shipping coins like two weeks ago and then the resumed shipping they kinda set our orders to the side and do the more current ones. >>
"Set them to the side" ?? Seriously, what the hell does that mean? These orders are tuples in a fargin' DATABASE! It's not like someone is carrying bushelbaskets of little yellow tickets around. How difficult is it to SELECT * FROM Orders ORDER BY Order_number?
pp
<< <i>
<< <i>She said to me when they stopped shipping coins like two weeks ago and then the resumed shipping they kinda set our orders to the side and do the more current ones. >>
"Set them to the side" ?? Seriously, what the hell does that mean? These orders are tuples in a fargin' DATABASE! It's not like someone is carrying bushelbaskets of little yellow tickets around. How difficult is it to SELECT * FROM Orders ORDER BY Order_number?
pp >>
I've contemplated offering working for them for free or for $1.
it's that bad.
Collectors Universe Lobby Area
1921 East Alton Avenue
Santa Ana CA 92705
PCGS representatives will be available to answer questions and accept submissions for all levels of service from 10am to 4pm. Please call Customer Service for more details. United States call toll free at 800-447-8848.
pp
<< <i>are any of you actually surprised by what she said to me. this is because they are not going in order so they are just pulling orders and filling without regards to order number. Those who have contacts in DC start your engines >>
So if I were to order another tonight I should get it bye Friday? Sounds like their sending newer orders first.
<< <i>What I find kind of funny, you guys sound like a few of us sounded when we were getting bent over by Microsoft casback. I don't remember too much sympathy here. I'm waiting for a UHR also and since they have none of my money (unlike cashback who had over $750 of my money) I'm not worried about it. I'm just sitting back watching the show. >>
btw...."Cashback" didn't have any of YOUR money......you weren't forced to buy anything and it was a rebate.....it wasn't like you sent "Cashback" any money, now was it?
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>What I find kind of funny, you guys sound like a few of us sounded when we were getting bent over by Microsoft casback. >>
I'm new here so I claim ignorance regarding the M$ issue. (That Redmond should be screwing anyone, somehow I'm not surprised.)
I don't have any intention of getting the UHR slabbed so I suppose I don't really have a dog in the fight, per se, but... it's the principle of the thing, dammit! I, along with several thousand of my closest friends, got our orders in within the first hour and, per the rules, we should have received our coins first. Washington seems to have a problem with the concept of "rules" lately. Methinks we needta re-learn 'em.
pp
This shipping vendor should be able to ship all 29,000 (or whatever has been struck and boxed) coins within 5 days if they were world class.
Our government at work. Securing a contract with inept individuals.
Now we have farse upon farse.
Here's a warning parable for coin collectors...
<< <i>It's here........................no book
Thank you.
TTT for those who missed it.
In a way I did send them money. I paid the full price because of their advertised rebate. Sometimes you buy things because they are on sale (or a rebate) OK so I'm a brainwashed consumer but I expect the advertised price.
<< <i>I called and asked about the coins that were shipped out AFTER my order was placed and mentioned this board and the proof that they were shipped out not in order. She said they were told to not believe message boards and blogs because the information provided there is not true. >>
Were we dealing with reasonable people, I'd suggest getting a couple of affadavits from recipients and non-recipients. (Then they'd claim, I'm sure, that they no speaka English.)
Call your Critters, people. And yes, this is about more than a silly release of a coin by the Mint. The lizards have gotten away for way, WAY too long with this sort of nonsense. (Insert witty remark about torches and pitchforks)
pp
<< <i>MsM:
Since the OIG, along with Mint management, are obviously not avenues to pursue... we're back to my suggestion re: a congresscritter or other well-connected Beltway swamp-dweller.
So: who in Congress is a numismatist? Or who in Congress is sleeping with one?
pp
P.S. I'll give you my full order # and time if/when I ever receive mine. As contrary data point, you can use 30829xxx and noon-thirty-ish as one who has NOT yet received a shipping confirmation (let alone a coin). >>
30827XXX order confirmed at 12:22 and nothing yet.
Now the big problem is placing this coin next to my flat as a pancake 1927 $20 piece. This new UHR really does upstage any "made for circulation" gold coin.
<< <i>...."Cashback" didn't have any of YOUR money......you weren't forced to buy anything and it was a rebate.....it wasn't like you sent "Cashback" any money, now was it?
In a way I did send them money. I paid the full price because of their advertised rebate. Sometimes you buy things because they are on sale (or a rebate) OK so I'm a brainwashed consumer but I expect the advertised price. >>
Dude! I thought you were smarter than that.....I got burned on enough rebates in the past (CompUSA anyone?) that I learned....I do NOTHING for the rebates and treat rebates as a bonus (that's probably why I only used Cashback twice for about $300+ dollars). Glad you got your money though.
Ps....the trouble with the way this one worked was that it wasn't MS advertising the price, or really paypal, or really ebay.....it was the seller on ebay advertising the price. Too many fingers and chances for problems, imho. Most of the cashback items are with companies directly so only 2 parties. In this case, it was 4 parties.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
MMIX is quickly approaching... but only on the more reliable message board than the less reliable PBGS people.
been on hold for ~ 20 minutes
they do provide personal attention....
they do not provide satisfactory results
I have to dial idol soon!
answer!